Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by ob1sr
Originally posted by lardmouth Well, ob1sr, we can just agree to believe each other's holy books are fiction. I've already spent way too much time in this thread.
YOUR book might be a fiction to you, but i believe in the old lost bible myself, as every other muslim do too, and the Qur'an is NOT a fiction and i have proven that plenty of times. Thats not true at all. I asked you to prove many events mentioned in the Qur'An, and not ONCE could you prove it to me the events in the Qur'An actually happened.
Originally posted by Tamalan Originally posted by OneMuslim about cavement, there were no cavement to begin with anyway.
Please explain the existence of neanderthal remains.
Neanderthal man
In the public mind, Neanderthal man has become synonymous with Darwinism. However, the story of Neanderthal man's discovery is not an entirely happy one. The first Neanderthal remains were found in a limestone cave in the Neander River valley, near Dusseldorf, in 1856. Over the next few decades similar remains were found in many other European cave sites. In the Darwinist ferment into which they were thrust, they were portrayed as stooping, shuffling, hairy ape-men. This turned out to be a misinterpretation, based largely on one skeleton that belonged to an elderly man with arthritis! In fact, the Neanderthals were as upright and un-ape-like as we are. They were a stocky and powerfully muscular people, with low domed skulls like Homo erectus. Their average brain size was actually slightly larger than that of modern humans. Richard Leakey once wrote that if Neanderthal man could be bathed, shaved, dressed in modern clothing, and placed in the New York subway, 'it is doubtful whether he would attract any more attention than some of its other denizens'!
As with Homo erectus, Neanderthal man is associated with cultural remains that demonstrate his humanity. For example, Neanderthals buried their dead with ritual (preparation of the body, grave goods such as flowers and artefacts). They made dwellings, used tools and fire, wore clothes, and even performed primitive surgery. It has been claimed that DNA recovered from Neanderthal skeletons is sufficiently different from that of modern humans to indicate that they did not contribute to the modern gene pool. There are problems, however, with the statistics and methodology of these studies. There are several sites where Neanderthal remains have been found alongside those of modern man, and even finds of skeletons that seem to have a mixture of Neanderthal and modern human characteristics. The latest of these, the skeleton of a four year-old boy discovered near Lisbon, made headlines in April 1999. If these are Neanderthal/Homo sapiens hybrids they support the idea that the Neanderthals were fully human.
all i can say is, we human beings get excited for every new thing we see, let me tell you something, did you know that the ancient human beings were taller? tougher and much more muscular?
did you know that their hight could reach 15 meters high?
on top of that, these fossils are said to go back to like what, 500k years? 2 million years? how can they make such assumptions?
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by ob1sr
Originally posted by lardmouth Well, ob1sr, we can just agree to believe each other's holy books are fiction. I've already spent way too much time in this thread.
YOUR book might be a fiction to you, but i believe in the old lost bible myself, as every other muslim do too, and the Qur'an is NOT a fiction and i have proven that plenty of times.
Thats not true at all. I asked you to prove many events mentioned in the Qur'An, and not ONCE could you prove it to me the events in the Qur'An actually happened.
what events, you didn't mention anything to me.
I did, but you avoid them.
Show me proof that a staff can turn into a snake. show me proof a burning bush can talk. show me proof that an ENTIRE city is filled with homosexuals, and proof that that was the reason it was destroyed.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Tamalan Originally posted by OneMuslim about cavement, there were no cavement to begin with anyway.
Please explain the existence of neanderthal remains.
Allow me to research it then i will come back to you.
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
Hmm, didn't notice them in the first place, but i thought i replied to many of these before.
Show me proof that a staff can turn into a snake.
This was a miracle done like what, 6000 years ago? maybe more maybe less, it was a MIRACLE, and only those present were able to see it, nowadays no one can do that without the help of the Djinns and their magic.
basically, you're asking me to prove something that was proven a long time ago, and the only way to prove it is to ask the people who witnissed it, and since they're all dead, and only a story, was mentioned in various books, from various distance places, then i can make sure that this story is true.
show me proof a burning bush can talk.
it didn't talk, in Islam there was no talking burning bush, no burning blair too, or clinton.
show me proof that an ENTIRE city is filled with homosexuals, and proof that that was the reason it was destroyed.
easy one, the city was wiped out by a vulcano, in the Qur'an and the Bible it says that the city was destroyed by a Vulcano too, in the Qur'an it adds an earthquake, which was true too, NOW for someone, who didn't visit the place, and he described the destruction so precicely like this, it must have been from Allah, specially that the time between the events was alot.
now, the reason that was given in these books was because the entire city were homosexuals, the proof of the destruction is there and evident of the event, and the reason was given by the books which told the truth, how can i deny it?
notice however that few people were saved by Allah, he sent angels to the prophet Lut, and told him to get out before the dawn, and take the believers with you, now Lut was not a homosexual, because if he was then Allah wouldn't have chosen him as a prophet, now the people whom he saved was his family and very few of the homosexuals who believed in him, does it make any sence to you? i hope.
Originally posted by Tamalan Allow me to research it then i will come back to you.
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
go back to the previous post, i have edited it iti ti .
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Tamalan Allow me to research it then i will come back to you.
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
go back to the previous post, i have edited it iti ti .
well what you posted does not back up your claim that they simply did not exist, in fact it does quite the opposite.
Ancient man could reach 15 metres in height?! thats approx 45ft tall!
are you serious? where do you get this info?, please provide a source or link
Faith is a mental illness. Muslims, christians, jews, budhist and all the other religions are based on insanity. Insanity is the inability to differentiate between what is good and what is bad. To give you an example of insanity. "I had to kill my daughter because god told me the devil lived in her" or in modern perspective "I have to chop off the head of this infidel because Islam is a religion of peace and this person said we are terrorists". To the person doing the killing it was right because it was god's wishes, but to all normal and right thinking people they can see that the person is insane. A person of faith is unable to see their own insanity. The mental illness of faith is a shroud of delusional comfort to the most wicked people that walk the planet. From Jerry Falwell to Osama Bin Laden there is no difference. A bigot shrouded in faith is still a bigot.
Fact. The constitution has nothing to do with god.
Fact. The pledge of allegiance was made by a marketing company in the 1870's to sell things.
Fact. The words "Under God" were not in the pledge of allegiance until religious zealots forced it in 50 years later.
I did, but you avoid them. Hmm, didn't notice them in the first place, but i thought i replied to many of these before.
Show me proof that a staff can turn into a snake. This was a miracle done like what, 6000 years ago? maybe more maybe less, it was a MIRACLE, and only those present were able to see it, nowadays no one can do that without the help of the Djinns and their magic. basically, you're asking me to prove something that was proven a long time ago, and the only way to prove it is to ask the people who witnissed it, and since they're all dead, and only a story, was mentioned in various books, from various distance places, then i can make sure that this story is true. You can make a pretty story about it, but it all comes down to this. you CAN NOT prove it. you have NO proof for it. oh, and now we need help of Djinns and ...magic? What is next? we have to ask Harry Potter for aid?
show me proof a burning bush can talk. it didn't talk, in Islam there was no talking burning bush, no burning blair too, or clinton. I was under the impression the Conversation between God and Moses was discribed in the Qur'an as well?
show me proof that an ENTIRE city is filled with homosexuals, and proof that that was the reason it was destroyed. easy one, the city was wiped out by a vulcano, in the Qur'an and the Bible it says that the city was destroyed by a Vulcano too, in the Qur'an it adds an earthquake, which was true too, NOW for someone, who didn't visit the place, and he described the destruction so precicely like this, it must have been from Allah, specially that the time between the events was alot. now, the reason that was given in these books was because the entire city were homosexuals, the proof of the destruction is there and evident of the event, and the reason was given by the books which told the truth, how can i deny it? notice however that few people were saved by Allah, he sent angels to the prophet Lut, and told him to get out before the dawn, and take the believers with you, now Lut was not a homosexual, because if he was then Allah wouldn't have chosen him as a prophet, now the people whom he saved was his family and very few of the homosexuals who believed in him, does it make any sence to you? i hope This isn't proof. far from it. we know there was a volcano next to it, but there is NO proof that the city indeed was filled with homosexuals (which is VERY unlikely. in fact, I would even go as far that it almost seems impossible) and that the city was destroyed by God, and not by just a normal volcano corruption. you also don't have ANY proof that angels came down, and that lut was the only survivor. especialy considering the fact that the city did trading, as all towns and cities did in those days. surely people found out about it.
Apparently, Jesus had told Mary Magdalene that if someone dies and their soul is sent to hell all it takes is someone in Heaven wishing for them not to go there and they are freed from that banishment. Anyone can be freed from going to hell if a person in heaven wishes them not to go. It could be your mother, your father, your brother or sister, or even that kind person that was your teacher in school and saw something in you no one else did.
don't you think if all this fairytale was true, there would be 1, just 1 nice holy person in heaven that just chills up there all day wishing eveyrone to heaven?
Originally posted by fulmanfu Apparently, Jesus had told Mary Magdalene that if someone dies and their soul is sent to hell all it takes is someone in Heaven wishing for them not to go there and they are freed from that banishment. Anyone can be freed from going to hell if a person in heaven wishes them not to go. It could be your mother, your father, your brother or sister, or even that kind person that was your teacher in school and saw something in you no one else did.don't you think if all this fairytale was true, there would be 1, just 1 nice holy person in heaven that just chills up there all day wishing eveyrone to heaven?
Up where? Up is relative.
No there isn't 1 nice holy person. To be holy is to be evil. There is no difference between a satanist and a christian.
there was no talking burning bush, no burning blair too, or clinton.
I LOL'd at that.
This has been one of the major obstacles for me beleiving in any religion. Your post about the Neanderthal was, well, a great example. We all can agree that Neanderthal was a early version of man. Now, a possible example of evolution is written directly into the information you posted. The "cavemen" lacked a prefontal cortex. Which gives the human mind logic, reasoning, etc.
However, modern humans have this now. This could mean one of two things. We evolved or there were a multitude of different species on the planet.
Dinosaurs are also a problem. No where in either the Bible, or the Qu'ran, is there mention, or description, of dinosaurs. Many hard-line Christians state the "behemoth" was the dinosaur. It was not. Look at the definition provided in the bible - it states behemoth was mistranslated and it either meant hippopotomus or elephant.
Third, and the most remote, far-out idea - space. There are millions of galaxies within the universe. Within these millions of galaxies, there is a possibility of life. Now, I am not talking about greys, or even advanced life, but somewhat intelligent life. What if, and I mean a big what if, we discovered intelligent life in the universe, other than our own planet (and that is even stretching it)?
What if these "aliens" have never heard of God, Allah, Buddha, Shiva, etc.? What does that mean for your specific religion. Better yet, what if these "aliens" are followers of God? Or Allah? But not any other? Would that make you question your belief? Yes, it is a bit far fetched, but there are many, many unexplained phenomena in the universe.
Finally, to answer the question of how people can date fossils to 200,000 years-Millions of years....It is carbon dating. It measures the radioactive decay of the object in question. Does it work? Yes. How can we be sure? Well, when experiments are done on an object that is known for a fact to be 100 years old, for example, and carbon dating estimates the object is 100 years old, well, then you know it works.
And, let's get back on topic. No more religion bashing. The Gospel of Mary Magdelene is interesting. However, the one that is of more interest is the Gospel of Judas. What makes it so interesting? Well, everything is nearly contradicted on what is believed about Judas. And, the date it was written was estimated at nearly 2000 years ago.
Originally posted by Tamalan Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Tamalan Allow me to research it then i will come back to you.
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
go back to the previous post, i have edited it iti ti .
well what you posted does not back up your claim that they simply did not exist, in fact it does quite the opposite.
Ancient man could reach 15 metres in height?! thats approx 45ft tall!
are you serious? where do you get this info?, please provide a source or link
[quote]Originally posted by OneMuslim [b] Originally posted by Tamalan Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Tamalan Allow me to research it then i will come back to you.
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains. go back to the previous post, i have edited it iti ti .
well what you posted does not back up your claim that they simply did not exist, in fact it does quite the opposite. Ancient man could reach 15 metres in height?! thats approx 45ft tall!are you serious? where do you get this info?, please provide a source or link
OneMuslim wtf are you smoking? Anyone can draw conclusions based on nonsense and call it fact (such as muslims and christians) but scientists draw conclusions from fact not fiction. Giants LOL you gotta be fucking kidding me. Nobody from this point forward will ever take you seriously. Not that they'd ever take anyone serious that had the word Muslim in their username.
Whats great is all these giants they dug up.. WHERE ARE THEY? wow you'll believe anything.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Tamalan Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Tamalan Allow me to research it then i will come back to you.
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
go back to the previous post, i have edited it iti ti .
well what you posted does not back up your claim that they simply did not exist, in fact it does quite the opposite.
Ancient man could reach 15 metres in height?! thats approx 45ft tall!
are you serious? where do you get this info?, please provide a source or link
Gaint Bones, back in Dinosours ages, and were quite intelligent human beings too, well.
Check your the info you supplied, you said 15 metres (which for a bi-pedal hominid is impossible, ask any engineering student about weight displacement and stress on bones).
The links you provided state figures of 10 or 12 ft, which are significantly smaller than your 45ft giants! There is evidence for larger hominids, go look up Giganthropithecus, these were real and approx 8 ft tall, some possibly larger. Some beleive that isolated communities of these still exist ie: Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti etc.
I stil want to see proof of your 45ft super men!
But i enjoyed your links, im a big fan of cryptozoology, but as recognised sources of scientific and factual information, they are spurious at best.
Now iif someone can only explain to me how Noah, with the technology available to him at the time, built a wooden boat big enough to caryy two of every species currently on earth (and of course food for 40 days), i would truly be entertained
Originally posted by Tamalan Check your the info you supplied, you said 15 metres (which for a bi-pedal hominid is impossible, ask any engineering student about weight displacement and stress on bones). The links you provided state figures of 10 or 12 ft, which are significantly smaller than your 45ft giants! I said Up to, not exactly, but look at it this way, if these existed, then before them it must have been taller men, which fossils have become dust or have you, i have a picture of like what, 30 meters man? but i'm not sure of it's credibility, not sure if it's fake or not, but the skeleton was found in the empty quarter of the Saudia arabia, it's skull was almost as tall as a normal man.
There is evidence for larger hominids, go look up Giganthropithecus, these were real and approx 8 ft tall, some possibly larger. Some beleive that isolated communities of these still exist ie: Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti etc. people presume too much sometimes, human beings don't have fur like monkies or gorillas, or what have you. I stil want to see proof of your 45ft super men! i said up to again not exactly 15 meters, but read the first paragraph plz :} But i enjoyed your links, im a big fan of cryptozoology, but as recognised sources of scientific and factual information, they are spurious at best. cool thing you did :} Now iif someone can only explain to me how Noah, with the technology available to him at the time, built a wooden boat big enough to caryy two of every species currently on earth (and of course food for 40 days), i would truly be entertained First of all, you have to know that the ark the prophet Noah has built had a purpose, which is to float, the ark was not designed to sail, on top of that, the remanents of the ark were found already, so proof exists. while the Prophet Noah was building the ark, his people laughed at him, thinking he was crazy for building such a huge boat in an area where no sea was around, not even a river. then the great flood started by Allah's command, he ordered the earth to spill forth water from it's underground, and the level of sea rose up, and it rained down like there's no tomorrow, and of course the evidence of a great flood occuring was also found. Tam
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Tamalan Check your the info you supplied, you said 15 metres (which for a bi-pedal hominid is impossible, ask any engineering student about weight displacement and stress on bones). The links you provided state figures of 10 or 12 ft, which are significantly smaller than your 45ft giants! I said Up to, not exactly, but look at it this way, if these existed, then before them it must have been taller men, which fossils have become dust or have you, i have a picture of like what, 30 meters man? but i'm not sure of it's credibility, not sure if it's fake or not, but the skeleton was found in the empty quarter of the Saudia arabia, it's skull was almost as tall as a normal man.
There is evidence for larger hominids, go look up Giganthropithecus, these were real and approx 8 ft tall, some possibly larger. Some beleive that isolated communities of these still exist ie: Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti etc. people presume too much sometimes, human beings don't have fur like monkies or gorillas, or what have you. I stil want to see proof of your 45ft super men! i said up to again not exactly 15 meters, but read the first paragraph plz :} But i enjoyed your links, im a big fan of cryptozoology, but as recognised sources of scientific and factual information, they are spurious at best. cool thing you did :} Now iif someone can only explain to me how Noah, with the technology available to him at the time, built a wooden boat big enough to caryy two of every species currently on earth (and of course food for 40 days), i would truly be entertained First of all, you have to know that the ark the prophet Noah has built had a purpose, which is to float, the ark was not designed to sail, on top of that, the remanents of the ark were found already, so proof exists. while the Prophet Noah was building the ark, his people laughed at him, thinking he was crazy for building such a huge boat in an area where no sea was around, not even a river. then the great flood started by Allah's command, he ordered the earth to spill forth water from it's underground, and the level of sea rose up, and it rained down like there's no tomorrow, and of course the evidence of a great flood occuring was also found. Tam
Originally posted by Dekron Originally posted by OneMuslim
there was no talking burning bush, no burning blair too, or clinton.
I LOL'd at that.
This has been one of the major obstacles for me beleiving in any religion. Your post about the Neanderthal was, well, a great example. We all can agree that Neanderthal was a early version of man. Now, a possible example of evolution is written directly into the information you posted. The "cavemen" lacked a prefontal cortex. Which gives the human mind logic, reasoning, etc.
Human beings were human beings since their creation, their shape, looks differs based on the environment, on top of that, with every fossil found, an evidence of civilisation was available.
However, modern humans have this now. This could mean one of two things. We evolved or there were a multitude of different species on the planet.
i wished i could believe that, but the proof of humna evolution is easily refutable.
Dinosaurs are also a problem. No where in either the Bible, or the Qu'ran, is there mention, or description, of dinosaurs. Many hard-line Christians state the "behemoth" was the dinosaur. It was not. Look at the definition provided in the bible - it states behemoth was mistranslated and it either meant hippopotomus or elephant.
True, dinosours as a word doesn't exist in the Qur'an nor the bible, because it was a scientific word describing these huge creatures, however in the Qur'an, Allah obliges us to go out and see his creation, think about the greatness of his creation and judge ourselves by the knowledge we gain, and only those who seek the truth, will find it.
Third, and the most remote, far-out idea - space. There are millions of galaxies within the universe. Within these millions of galaxies, there is a possibility of life. Now, I am not talking about greys, or even advanced life, but somewhat intelligent life. What if, and I mean a big what if, we discovered intelligent life in the universe, other than our own planet (and that is even stretching it)?
well, we are not sure, we cant see them or communicate with them, so therefore it's just an assumption.
What if these "aliens" have never heard of God, Allah, Buddha, Shiva, etc.? What does that mean for your specific religion. Better yet, what if these "aliens" are followers of God? Or Allah? But not any other? Would that make you question your belief? Yes, it is a bit far fetched, but there are many, many unexplained phenomena in the universe.
if there were any kind of intelligent life in a far far away galaxy, then surely they'll have their own prophets and their own message, but by the same God, which is Allah, because he is the one who created all of this.
Finally, to answer the question of how people can date fossils to 200,000 years-Millions of years....It is carbon dating. It measures the radioactive decay of the object in question. Does it work? Yes. How can we be sure? Well, when experiments are done on an object that is known for a fact to be 100 years old, for example, and carbon dating estimates the object is 100 years old, well, then you know it works.
Radiation? energy Radiates, carbon is a form of energy, energy depletes, i can't comprehend a type of energy radiating, which is being used, and it continues to radiate for millions of years.
And, let's get back on topic. No more religion bashing. The Gospel of Mary Magdelene is interesting. However, the one that is of more interest is the Gospel of Judas. What makes it so interesting? Well, everything is nearly contradicted on what is believed about Judas. And, the date it was written was estimated at nearly 2000 years ago.
Isn't Judas the person judaism was named after? what did he have anything to do Moses? did Moses say call yourselves jewish? no.
Did Jesus say call yourselves christians? no
Did mohammad say call yourselves Muslims? yes.
Did mohammad say call yourselves shiites or Sunnis or sufis or goofies? no.
Originally posted by OneMuslim Originally posted by Tamalan Check your the info you supplied, you said 15 metres (which for a bi-pedal hominid is impossible, ask any engineering student about weight displacement and stress on bones). I said Up to, not exactly, but look at it this way, if these existed, then before them it must have been taller men, which fossils have become dust or have you, i have a picture of like what, 30 meters man? but i'm not sure of it's credibility, not sure if it's fake or not, but the skeleton was found in the empty quarter of the Saudia arabia, it's skull was almost as tall as a normal man. The links you provided state figures of 10 or 12 ft, which are significantly smaller than your claim of 45ft giants! Your grasping at straws and backing out of your claims... tut tut! Please post the picture of the skull or provide a link
There is evidence for larger hominids, go look up Giganthropithecus, these were real and approx 8 ft tall, some possibly larger. Some beleive that isolated communities of these still exist ie: Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti etc. people presume too much sometimes, human beings don't have fur like monkies or gorillas, or what have you. How do you know your giants and this verified hominid are not one and the same? Skeletal remains offer no evidence regarding skin colour and hair coverage. And have you seen Robin Williams? thats one hairy guy, there are also many medical conditions of people with large amounts of body hair, some believe to be a genetic throwback to our primate past. You accusing ANYONE of presuming too much is frankly hilarious I stil want to see proof of your 45ft super men! i said up to again not exactly 15 meters, but read the first paragraph plz :} There is a BIG difference between 10 and 45 ft, and like i said a bi-pedal hominid of that size could not stand without crushing its own legbones. Ask someone with a structural engineering background they will explain it better then i can. But i enjoyed your links, im a big fan of cryptozoology, but as recognised sources of scientific and factual information, they are spurious at best. cool thing you did :} Yup i did, but it was still non-provable hokum Now iif someone can only explain to me how Noah, with the technology available to him at the time, built a wooden boat big enough to caryy two of every species currently on earth (and of course food for 40 days), i would truly be entertained First of all, you have to know that the ark the prophet Noah has built had a purpose, which is to float, the ark was not designed to sail, on top of that, the remanents of the ark were found already, so proof exists. while the Prophet Noah was building the ark, his people laughed at him, thinking he was crazy for building such a huge boat in an area where no sea was around, not even a river. then the great flood started by Allah's command, he ordered the earth to spill forth water from it's underground, and the level of sea rose up, and it rained down like there's no tomorrow, and of course the evidence of a great flood occuring was also found. You didnt answer the question, just how big would a wooden boat have to be to hold 2 of every species on earth and enough food to support them for 40 days? Sail or float, it still has to hold them above water. Even at the most conservative estimate there are at least 2 million species of animal on earth, so thats 4 million animals. Thats a damn big boat! (but most agree it closer to 20 million, so that 40 million animals!) We probably couldnt build a wooden ship that size now with the technology we have today, so how did Noah do this with very, very basic shipbuilding tools and very little manpower? Tam
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Please explain the existence of neanderthal remains.
Thats not true at all. I asked you to prove many events mentioned in the Qur'An, and not ONCE could you prove it to me the events in the Qur'An actually happened.
what events, you didn't mention anything to me.
Please explain the existence of neanderthal remains.
Neanderthal man
In the public mind, Neanderthal man has become synonymous with Darwinism. However, the story of Neanderthal man's discovery is not an entirely happy one. The first Neanderthal remains were found in a limestone cave in the Neander River valley, near Dusseldorf, in 1856. Over the next few decades similar remains were found in many other European cave sites. In the Darwinist ferment into which they were thrust, they were portrayed as stooping, shuffling, hairy ape-men. This turned out to be a misinterpretation, based largely on one skeleton that belonged to an elderly man with arthritis! In fact, the Neanderthals were as upright and un-ape-like as we are. They were a stocky and powerfully muscular people, with low domed skulls like Homo erectus. Their average brain size was actually slightly larger than that of modern humans. Richard Leakey once wrote that if Neanderthal man could be bathed, shaved, dressed in modern clothing, and placed in the New York subway, 'it is doubtful whether he would attract any more attention than some of its other denizens'!
As with Homo erectus, Neanderthal man is associated with cultural remains that demonstrate his humanity. For example, Neanderthals buried their dead with ritual (preparation of the body, grave goods such as flowers and artefacts). They made dwellings, used tools and fire, wore clothes, and even performed primitive surgery. It has been claimed that DNA recovered from Neanderthal skeletons is sufficiently different from that of modern humans to indicate that they did not contribute to the modern gene pool. There are problems, however, with the statistics and methodology of these studies. There are several sites where Neanderthal remains have been found alongside those of modern man, and even finds of skeletons that seem to have a mixture of Neanderthal and modern human characteristics. The latest of these, the skeleton of a four year-old boy discovered near Lisbon, made headlines in April 1999. If these are Neanderthal/Homo sapiens hybrids they support the idea that the Neanderthals were fully human.
http://www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/origins_archaeology/bcs125.html
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all i can say is, we human beings get excited for every new thing we see, let me tell you something, did you know that the ancient human beings were taller? tougher and much more muscular?
did you know that their hight could reach 15 meters high?
on top of that, these fossils are said to go back to like what, 500k years? 2 million years? how can they make such assumptions?
Thats not true at all. I asked you to prove many events mentioned in the Qur'An, and not ONCE could you prove it to me the events in the Qur'An actually happened.
what events, you didn't mention anything to me.
I did, but you avoid them.
Show me proof that a staff can turn into a snake. show me proof a burning bush can talk. show me proof that an ENTIRE city is filled with homosexuals, and proof that that was the reason it was destroyed.
who cares its all made up stuff anyway
Please explain the existence of neanderthal remains.
Allow me to research it then i will come back to you.
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
go back to the previous post, i have edited it iti ti .
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
go back to the previous post, i have edited it iti ti .
well what you posted does not back up your claim that they simply did not exist, in fact it does quite the opposite.
Ancient man could reach 15 metres in height?! thats approx 45ft tall!
are you serious? where do you get this info?, please provide a source or link
Faith is a mental illness. Muslims, christians, jews, budhist and all the other religions are based on insanity. Insanity is the inability to differentiate between what is good and what is bad. To give you an example of insanity. "I had to kill my daughter because god told me the devil lived in her" or in modern perspective "I have to chop off the head of this infidel because Islam is a religion of peace and this person said we are terrorists". To the person doing the killing it was right because it was god's wishes, but to all normal and right thinking people they can see that the person is insane. A person of faith is unable to see their own insanity. The mental illness of faith is a shroud of delusional comfort to the most wicked people that walk the planet. From Jerry Falwell to Osama Bin Laden there is no difference. A bigot shrouded in faith is still a bigot.
Fact. The constitution has nothing to do with god.
Fact. The pledge of allegiance was made by a marketing company in the 1870's to sell things.
Fact. The words "Under God" were not in the pledge of allegiance until religious zealots forced it in 50 years later.
Fact. Religion is another word for Hatemongering.
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don't you think if all this fairytale was true, there would be 1, just 1 nice holy person in heaven that just chills up there all day wishing eveyrone to heaven?
Up where? Up is relative.
No there isn't 1 nice holy person. To be holy is to be evil. There is no difference between a satanist and a christian.
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I LOL'd at that.
This has been one of the major obstacles for me beleiving in any religion. Your post about the Neanderthal was, well, a great example. We all can agree that Neanderthal was a early version of man. Now, a possible example of evolution is written directly into the information you posted. The "cavemen" lacked a prefontal cortex. Which gives the human mind logic, reasoning, etc.
However, modern humans have this now. This could mean one of two things. We evolved or there were a multitude of different species on the planet.
Dinosaurs are also a problem. No where in either the Bible, or the Qu'ran, is there mention, or description, of dinosaurs. Many hard-line Christians state the "behemoth" was the dinosaur. It was not. Look at the definition provided in the bible - it states behemoth was mistranslated and it either meant hippopotomus or elephant.
Third, and the most remote, far-out idea - space. There are millions of galaxies within the universe. Within these millions of galaxies, there is a possibility of life. Now, I am not talking about greys, or even advanced life, but somewhat intelligent life. What if, and I mean a big what if, we discovered intelligent life in the universe, other than our own planet (and that is even stretching it)?
What if these "aliens" have never heard of God, Allah, Buddha, Shiva, etc.? What does that mean for your specific religion. Better yet, what if these "aliens" are followers of God? Or Allah? But not any other? Would that make you question your belief? Yes, it is a bit far fetched, but there are many, many unexplained phenomena in the universe.
Finally, to answer the question of how people can date fossils to 200,000 years-Millions of years....It is carbon dating. It measures the radioactive decay of the object in question. Does it work? Yes. How can we be sure? Well, when experiments are done on an object that is known for a fact to be 100 years old, for example, and carbon dating estimates the object is 100 years old, well, then you know it works.
And, let's get back on topic. No more religion bashing. The Gospel of Mary Magdelene is interesting. However, the one that is of more interest is the Gospel of Judas. What makes it so interesting? Well, everything is nearly contradicted on what is believed about Judas. And, the date it was written was estimated at nearly 2000 years ago.
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
go back to the previous post, i have edited it iti ti .
well what you posted does not back up your claim that they simply did not exist, in fact it does quite the opposite.
Ancient man could reach 15 metres in height?! thats approx 45ft tall!
are you serious? where do you get this info?, please provide a source or link
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/giants.htm
http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/GiantBonesDiscoveries.html
Gaint Bones, back in Dinosours ages, and were quite intelligent human beings too, well.
[quote]Originally posted by OneMuslim
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Originally posted by Tamalan
Originally posted by OneMuslim
Originally posted by Tamalan Allow me to research it then i will come back to you.
Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
go back to the previous post, i have edited it iti ti .
well what you posted does not back up your claim that they simply did not exist, in fact it does quite the opposite.
Ancient man could reach 15 metres in height?! thats approx 45ft tall!are you serious? where do you get this info?, please provide a source or link
[url=http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/giants.htm]
[url=http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/GiantBonesDiscoveries.html]
Gaint Bones, back in Dinosours ages, and were quite intelligent human beings too, well.[/b][/quote]
OneMuslim wtf are you smoking? Anyone can draw conclusions based on nonsense and call it fact (such as muslims and christians) but scientists draw conclusions from fact not fiction. Giants LOL you gotta be fucking kidding me. Nobody from this point forward will ever take you seriously. Not that they'd ever take anyone serious that had the word Muslim in their username.
Whats great is all these giants they dug up.. WHERE ARE THEY? wow you'll believe anything.
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Seriously what next. The magical healing powers of crystals?
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Ok, but make sure you dont use the argument that they were humans suffering from Cretinism, this leaves tell tale marks on the skeletal structure in every case. These marks are not found in any of the neanderthal remains.
go back to the previous post, i have edited it iti ti .
well what you posted does not back up your claim that they simply did not exist, in fact it does quite the opposite.
Ancient man could reach 15 metres in height?! thats approx 45ft tall!
are you serious? where do you get this info?, please provide a source or link
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/giants.htm
http://www.returnofthenephilim.com/GiantBonesDiscoveries.html
Gaint Bones, back in Dinosours ages, and were quite intelligent human beings too, well.
Check your the info you supplied, you said 15 metres (which for a bi-pedal hominid is impossible, ask any engineering student about weight displacement and stress on bones).
The links you provided state figures of 10 or 12 ft, which are significantly smaller than your 45ft giants!
There is evidence for larger hominids, go look up Giganthropithecus, these were real and approx 8 ft tall, some possibly larger. Some beleive that isolated communities of these still exist ie: Bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti etc.
I stil want to see proof of your 45ft super men!
But i enjoyed your links, im a big fan of cryptozoology, but as recognised sources of scientific and factual information, they are spurious at best.
Now iif someone can only explain to me how Noah, with the technology available to him at the time, built a wooden boat big enough to caryy two of every species currently on earth (and of course food for 40 days), i would truly be entertained
Tam
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I dug up Jesus in my back yard. The bones were wrapped in white linen. The skeleton dated back 2035 years.
It must be true because i typed it up and i believe it to be true!
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back that up please.
I LOL'd at that.
This has been one of the major obstacles for me beleiving in any religion. Your post about the Neanderthal was, well, a great example. We all can agree that Neanderthal was a early version of man. Now, a possible example of evolution is written directly into the information you posted. The "cavemen" lacked a prefontal cortex. Which gives the human mind logic, reasoning, etc.
Human beings were human beings since their creation, their shape, looks differs based on the environment, on top of that, with every fossil found, an evidence of civilisation was available.
However, modern humans have this now. This could mean one of two things. We evolved or there were a multitude of different species on the planet.
i wished i could believe that, but the proof of humna evolution is easily refutable.
Dinosaurs are also a problem. No where in either the Bible, or the Qu'ran, is there mention, or description, of dinosaurs. Many hard-line Christians state the "behemoth" was the dinosaur. It was not. Look at the definition provided in the bible - it states behemoth was mistranslated and it either meant hippopotomus or elephant.
True, dinosours as a word doesn't exist in the Qur'an nor the bible, because it was a scientific word describing these huge creatures, however in the Qur'an, Allah obliges us to go out and see his creation, think about the greatness of his creation and judge ourselves by the knowledge we gain, and only those who seek the truth, will find it.
Third, and the most remote, far-out idea - space. There are millions of galaxies within the universe. Within these millions of galaxies, there is a possibility of life. Now, I am not talking about greys, or even advanced life, but somewhat intelligent life. What if, and I mean a big what if, we discovered intelligent life in the universe, other than our own planet (and that is even stretching it)?
well, we are not sure, we cant see them or communicate with them, so therefore it's just an assumption.
What if these "aliens" have never heard of God, Allah, Buddha, Shiva, etc.? What does that mean for your specific religion. Better yet, what if these "aliens" are followers of God? Or Allah? But not any other? Would that make you question your belief? Yes, it is a bit far fetched, but there are many, many unexplained phenomena in the universe.
if there were any kind of intelligent life in a far far away galaxy, then surely they'll have their own prophets and their own message, but by the same God, which is Allah, because he is the one who created all of this.
Finally, to answer the question of how people can date fossils to 200,000 years-Millions of years....It is carbon dating. It measures the radioactive decay of the object in question. Does it work? Yes. How can we be sure? Well, when experiments are done on an object that is known for a fact to be 100 years old, for example, and carbon dating estimates the object is 100 years old, well, then you know it works.
Radiation? energy Radiates, carbon is a form of energy, energy depletes, i can't comprehend a type of energy radiating, which is being used, and it continues to radiate for millions of years.
And, let's get back on topic. No more religion bashing. The Gospel of Mary Magdelene is interesting. However, the one that is of more interest is the Gospel of Judas. What makes it so interesting? Well, everything is nearly contradicted on what is believed about Judas. And, the date it was written was estimated at nearly 2000 years ago.
Isn't Judas the person judaism was named after? what did he have anything to do Moses? did Moses say call yourselves jewish? no.
Did Jesus say call yourselves christians? no
Did mohammad say call yourselves Muslims? yes.
Did mohammad say call yourselves shiites or Sunnis or sufis or goofies? no.
Originally posted by OneMuslim
Originally posted by Gameloading
back that up please.
go to www.google.com and type Noahs ark, and see what you get.
Noah is a myth. Come on man go to school sometime and study some real science.
Oh wait i forget people of faith don't want to learn science.
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