Originally posted by Gameloading Originally posted by sempiternal
Originally posted by IdesofMarch
Who said we wanted him to shut up? I find it funny that the responses keep coming and the hole is just getting digged deeper for Roma Victor.
Thanks for admitting that you are posting here for amusement; also with the belief that what you are contributing to is the death of an independant MMOG and you find that funny.
Nice. Now everyone here can see your character.
I wouldn't mind if RV dies. small companies should stop creating MMORPG's. for a quality mmorpg, you need staff members, a HUGE budget and time. I'm sick of those 10-20 people companies with a budget of 1 million thinking they can create an mmorpg.
So, because you're sick of 10-20 people companies with budgets of 1 million dollar, they should stop creating developing mmo's?
Originally posted by trigger190 Originally posted by Gameloading
Originally posted by sempiternal
Originally posted by IdesofMarch
Who said we wanted him to shut up? I find it funny that the responses keep coming and the hole is just getting digged deeper for Roma Victor.
Thanks for admitting that you are posting here for amusement; also with the belief that what you are contributing to is the death of an independant MMOG and you find that funny.
Nice. Now everyone here can see your character.
I wouldn't mind if RV dies. small companies should stop creating MMORPG's. for a quality mmorpg, you need staff members, a HUGE budget and time. I'm sick of those 10-20 people companies with a budget of 1 million thinking they can create an mmorpg.
So, because you're sick of 10-20 people companies with budgets of 1 million dollar, they should stop creating developing mmo's? Indeed. they should look for a job in big corporations, so they actually have a chance to create a decent mmorpg. I'm sure its not the talent thats the problem
Originally posted by sempiternal The truth is he cant stand the fact the Redbedlam has developed a system to minimize the effects of third-party gold sellers and offer no monthly fee at the same time, because he wrongly believes that it goes against the principles that he promotes on the nogold.org website. He would love nothing more than to see the virtual world and innovative no-monthly fee VERM system fail, mostly for personal reasons and to be able to say, "I told you so."
However, here is the first sentence on the Home page of nogold.org:
"NoGold.org is an organization of MMORPG webmasters who are opposed to the secondary market which exists outside of MMORPG games."
Roma Victor's VERM system is not a secondary market. Case closed.
It is about SPORTSMANSHIP!
MMORPGs are games, and most players expect their peers to treat them as such. Purchasing gold, items, and accounts from businesses detracts from the nature of the game. MMORPGs are hugely competitive (where players compete for levels, items, honor, and status). When players with large bank accounts simply buy their way to the top, it ruins that element of the game for everyone else.
This front page quote on nogold.org covers why the Verm is just as corrupt. When a game developer monopolizes the secondary market, it's just as wrong.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it." Brad McQuaid Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc. Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes www.vanguardsoh
Originally posted by sempiternal Even if you truly did believe that, tetsul, you must realize that you are not a part of the solution by bumping a thread that you think is destructive to the independant MMOG along with replying how terrible you believe the game is. You're not fooling anyone but the fools.
I haven't said anything about what RV is like, I don't care about it. All my comments have been directed at a fan doing a remarkable job damaging something he likes with half truths, name calling, and faulty logic. Sometimes I pull out something in game, like unimplemented skills, just to further prove the point that you have no clue what you're talking about.
And I don't intend to be a solution because I don't care what happens to it. I just think it would be best for the entire project if you left and never posted again, leaving the comments and threads to the rest of the fans who, although they have their bad moments, at least can have a discussion.
For christ's sake, the head developer told you to stop twice in the main forums. What the hell is wrong with you?
Originally posted by Virtus I find it funny how all you guys are egging Semp on. If you want him to shut up then stop posting, simple as that.I also find it funny how not one of you responded to any of my comments pointing out facts of the game.I would also like to point this out about the engine:http://www.roma-victor.com/community/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8463
Re reading the thread and specificly your posts in it I have a hard time finding the facts you posted that we should respond to. The only midly interesting post you made was your take on the differences and similarities between potbs and rv graphics.
Other than that few of your posts contained anything about what was discussed in this thread. Like the comment that they could remove the "you are entering" msgs. Seems you totaly missed the point (even semp got it). It's not the "You are entering" part it's the name of the place you are entering, and that's not limited to the places you enter, it's the names of everything.
It's the unpolishness of this game we are attacking, that includes the ugly graphics, the place names, the barren terrain etc etc etc. I'm sorry but if you are releasing something that unfinished to deserve to be flamed no matter if you are a small time dev or large one like SOE. Every mmorpg player I know is tired of paying to alpha test...
but you wouldn't see the name of the gate or room anyway so for all we know they could be naming them entering_your_momma. the NPCs are a diffrent story though.
Who said we wanted him to shut up? I find it funny that the responses keep coming and the hole is just getting digged deeper for Roma Victor.
Thanks for admitting that you are posting here for amusement; also with the belief that what you are contributing to is the death of an independant MMOG and you find that funny.
Nice. Now everyone here can see your character.
Um..you only just realized that?! Semp, your like a one man freak show...and its not just them that are contributing its you also...I have lost count how many people, including KFR, have told you to shutup.
Also proves how childish MMORPG.com members are. Would this whole thread then not be considered a troll post?
Also your saying you would not buy Rv cuz of semp, well i could see why many ppl wouldn't join MMORPG.com. cuz of you guys.
Originally posted by sempiternal Even if you truly did believe that, tetsul, you must realize that you are not a part of the solution by bumping a thread that you think is destructive to the independant MMOG along with replying how terrible you believe the game is. You're not fooling anyone but the fools.
UM!!!! he's not trying to be part of the solution. Also, had you of not made this post none of this would of happened. So, um, it is your fault.
P.S. Sorry for the triple post but the post feature lacks a quote feature, unless i am jsut a noob and iddn't see it.
Virtus, will you please follow your own advice, and "shut up." Your 'help' is not needed and only drags things out with your worthless posts. If you have got something to say about Roma Victor, then fine. But, otherwise, you have no influence over me whatsoever. You don't even have enough leadership to lead a guild in a game. See, the problem here, Virtus, is I'm dealing with people on your same level; childish. The only difference between you and the haters is that they don't play the game.
If you have lost count of the "shut ups" then you can't count very high.
Originally posted by Jorev When players with large bank accounts simply buy their way to the top, it ruins that element of the game for everyone else.
This front page quote on nogold.org covers why the Verm is just as corrupt. When a game developer monopolizes the secondary market, it's just as wrong.
I know this is hard for you, especially since you have not played Roma Victor and do not know much about it, but:
1. Redbedlam does NOT, "monopolize the secondary market." There is no secondary market! Because Redbedlam controls the economy there is no profit in secondary markets. That's the main point you don't get. Redbedlam acts just like a real government, minting the money and controlling inflation.
2. The only thing you can buy is money. You cannot buy skills, levels, extra powerful weapons, expansions, or anything else to give you an advantage other than the regular items that any other player can normally craft or buy within the game. What does this mean? There is no real benefit to buying money other than to save a player time spent in-game crafting or earning money regularly.
Until you understand that you will be lost on Roma Victor and the VERM.
Well so far you've pissed off people who hate the game, critical observers, indifferent bystanders, and potential customers. Guess it only makes sense for you to start insulting other fans too.
Originally posted by Virtus Um..you only just realized that?! Semp, your like a one man freak show...and its not just them that are contributing its you also...I have lost count how many people, including KFR, have told you to shutup.
Also proves how childish MMORPG.com members are. Would this whole thread then not be considered a troll post?
Also your saying you would not buy Rv cuz of semp,well i could see why many ppl wouldn't join MMORPG.com. cuz of you guys.
And you calling Semp a one man freak show isn't adding fuel to the fire?
Originally posted by tetsul Do me a favor and never promote anything I like.
Maybe that's the problem you and others are having here, tetsul. I am not a promoter. You would like me to be because then I am easier to attack, but, I'm simply a player that came to mmorpg.com in search of a realistic virtual world, found one, played the game for about six months, wrote a review and am now backing up what I wrote. I hope that like-minded players find the same enjoyment as I do in a realistic virtual world like Roma Victor and that is the only interest I have in writing the review and discussing the game here.
As said previously, if anything in my review is in error or not true, please point it out and I will be happy to correct it as soon as possible. I have already made a few corrections and additions to better clarify; at the suggestions of other posters.
When I came to mmorpg.com I heard the same garbage and complaints about the graphics that have been discussed in this thread, but I decided to try the game anyway, what I found was the MMOG that is closest to what I was looking for, a realistic virtual world. The forums full of unwarranted attacks on the game from people that did not play the game were not helpful.
Originally posted by sempiternal Originally posted by tetsul Do me a favor and never promote anything I like.
Maybe that's the problem you and others are having here, tetsul. I am not a promoter. You would like me to be because then I am easier to attack, but, I'm simply a player that came to mmorpg.com in search of a realistic virtual world, found one, played the game for about six months, wrote a review and am now backing up what I wrote.
No you are what is becoming more and more common. You're a semi psychotic fan who goes ballistic at any criticism over a fricking video game. Then in your brainless rage you piss off normal people who just play games for fun, thus hurting the developers by scaring away the normal customers. In the meantime you build up some pitiful belief of superiority to justify why you and the other semi psychotics are the only ones playing.
If they're true the leaked Vanguard beta opinion is another example of this.
Originally posted by tetsul No you are what is becoming more and more common. You're a semi psychotic fan who goes ballistic at any criticism over a fricking video game. Then in your brainless rage you piss off normal people who just play games for fun, thus hurting the developers by scaring away the normal customers. In the meantime you build up some pitiful belief of superiority to justify why you and the other semi psychotics are the only ones playing.
Originally posted by sempiternal Originally posted by tetsul No you are what is becoming more and more common. You're a semi psychotic fan who goes ballistic at any criticism over a fricking video game. Then in your brainless rage you piss off normal people who just play games for fun, thus hurting the developers by scaring away the normal customers. In the meantime you build up some pitiful belief of superiority to justify why you and the other semi psychotics are the only ones playing.
Sorry, didn't mean to try to bring common sense into your obsession. Tell us how hardcore and realistic RV is. Maybe one day we can all be superior and play whatever game you've decided to make a cult of. I guess I can always dream...
Sorry, didn't mean to try to bring common sense into your obsession. Tell us how hardcore and realistic RV is. Maybe one day we can all be superior and play whatever game you've decided to make a cult of. I guess I can always dream...
You've gone off the edge, tetsul.
Simply put, Roma Victor is the most realistic virtual world MMOG that I have found to date. Roma Victor is an open-ended PvP sandbox world where players set their own goals. As such, it's a game that many are not going to enjoy, players are likely to either love it or hate it.
So without even playing it, you hate it. Fine. That's OK.
Simply put, Roma Victor is the most realistic virtual world MMOG thatI have found to date. Roma Victor is an open-ended PvP sandbox world where players set their own goals. As such it's a game that many are not going to enjoy, players are likely to either love it or hate it.
Exactly. And some disagree, and some don't care for the game for those reasons. When you create a thread about a game that players are either going to love or hate as you just said, you need to expect all of the replies you have recieved. The back and forth hasn't proved anything but this.
You're trying to persuade the unpersuasive and the results have shown. Telling people to get out of the thread and making posts like, "I just wanted to quote your worthless trash of a post so I could reference it later if needed." aren't earning you or Roma Victor any fans.
Well, that's just it, I'm not trying to earn any fans. I expected the replies; the haters were making them before I even played the game.
I'm not trying to be a saint here. If someone fires insults at me, I will fire right back. If someone writes something without backing it up, I will try to disprove it. If someone writes an opinion without even playing the game, I will discredit them. I have a low tolerance for bullshit.
Sorry, didn't mean to try to bring common sense into your obsession. Tell us how hardcore and realistic RV is. Maybe one day we can all be superior and play whatever game you've decided to make a cult of. I guess I can always dream...
You've gone of the edge, tetsul.
Simply put, Roma Victor is the most realistic virtual world MMOG that I have found to date. Roma Victor is an open-ended PvP sandbox world where players set their own goals. As such, it's a game that many are not going to enjoy, players are likely to either love it or hate it.
So without even playing it, you hate it. Fine. That's OK.
It's like dealing with a roman version of Joel. You like a game cool, but when someone says something critical about it like graphics how about saying things like future upgrades or speedtree additions, and not attack posts about going to WoW, or nonsense about grey, washed out colors being realistic and all they had in the Roman era. You would be surprised how much nicer the replies would be if you would discuss game issues in a sane and productive manner and not get all pissy like it's a personal shot against you. The way you and the other fans wig out over everything bad said and the way you write off any criticism is what brings the cult talk.
Originally posted by sempiternal Well, that's just it, I'm not trying to earn any fans. I also knew that haters would attack the game - they were already doing it even before I arrived here. I'm not trying to be a saint here. If someone fires insults at me, I will fire right back. If someone writes something without backing it up, I will try to disprove it. If someone writes an opinion without even playing the game, I will discredit them.
But when you write this big review about how good the game is and what it offers here in The Pub section, you set yourself up in this thread as a community representative for Roma Victor. You should be discussing the game and being upfront about the faults it has.
The graphics aren't special. They aren't. And I'm not a graphics whore either. I mean, I'm currently playing a anime-ish 2D MMO called Trickster Online. Though I do like the style of the graphics in Trickster, I know that they are outdated and I understand that many think they're crap. And if someone says they are I go, "Yeah, if you're not a fan of the old-SNES style then I agree."
You're trying to persuade people into feeling what you feel about the game, and that's not going to happen. Many have felt here that you're pushing too hard and it's pointless. I think to a degree with some of your posts you have. In others you are merely defending the game and that's a-ok. But we go back to representing the community and when you fire insults or disregard what others have said (and I mean valid arguements and points that have been brought up) it doesn't reflect well on the RV community and the game itself.
I understand the spot you're in because I was once in a situation somewhat like yours. It's ok to be opinionated and say what you like on the forums, but you have to hold back if you're going to try to present the game to us in a positive light.
Well, now, tetsul, a decent reply I will treat with the same, but maybe you have missed all the hollow negative "poo" posts including your own. You would do well to heed your own advice.
When you use words like, "nonsense," "pissy," and "wig out," to describe me and my responses in the very same post that you ask me to, "discuss game issues in a sane and productive manner;" after just posting this:
"You're a semi psychotic fan who goes ballistic at any criticism over a fricking video game. Then in your brainless rage you piss off normal people who just play games for fun, thus hurting the developers by scaring away the normal customers. In the meantime you build up some pitiful belief of superiority to justify why you and the other semi psychotics are the only ones playing." - tetsul
Do you expect good results? Do you expect to, "discuss game issues in a sane and productive manner?"
Originally posted by sempiternal Well, now, tetsul, a decent reply I will treat with the same, but maybe you have missed all the hollow negative "poo" posts including your own. You would do well to heed your own advice. When you use words like, "nonsense," "pissy," and "wig out," to describe me and my responses in the very same post that you ask me to, "discuss game issues in a sane and productive manner;" after just posting this: "You're a semi psychotic fan who goes ballistic at any criticism over a fricking video game. Then in your brainless rage you piss off normal people who just play games for fun, thus hurting the developers by scaring away the normal customers. In the meantime you build up some pitiful belief of superiority to justify why you and the other semi psychotics are the only ones playing." - tetsul Do you expect good results? Do you expect to, "discuss game issues in a sane and productive manner?"
Being decent didn't matter in any of the other posts in this thread, so don't pull that bigger person crap on me now. It still stands that your attacks on others and your refusal to even acknowledge any problems is causing more problems to RB's project then any comments from "haters".
Originally posted by tetsul GRAPHICS! Where have you been this thread? Enough of this stupidity. I just hope for Redbedlam's sake they can survive the "help" they are getting from their fans.
I've been right here, tetsul. Where have you been?
You don't hope, you could care less: On Roma Victor, "I don't care about it." -tetsul
Stupid is as stupid does.
"...your refusal to even acknowledge any problems..." - tetsul
You are full of bull, tetsul, I have aknowledged problems - several in the first post. There's not any problem with the overall graphics and I did in fact respond, many times. The graphics in Roma Victor are the most realistic I have seen in any MMOG:
Rome: Total War / Roma Victor
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As someone who has never played Roma Victor, are there any other problems you have that I have not acknowledged, tetsul?
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Thanks for admitting that you are posting here for amusement; also with the belief that what you are contributing to is the death of an independant MMOG and you find that funny.
Nice. Now everyone here can see your character.
I wouldn't mind if RV dies. small companies should stop creating MMORPG's. for a quality mmorpg, you need staff members, a HUGE budget and time. I'm sick of those 10-20 people companies with a budget of 1 million thinking they can create an mmorpg.
So, because you're sick of 10-20 people companies with budgets of 1 million dollar, they should stop creating developing mmo's?
Thanks for admitting that you are posting here for amusement; also with the belief that what you are contributing to is the death of an independant MMOG and you find that funny.
Nice. Now everyone here can see your character.
I wouldn't mind if RV dies. small companies should stop creating MMORPG's. for a quality mmorpg, you need staff members, a HUGE budget and time. I'm sick of those 10-20 people companies with a budget of 1 million thinking they can create an mmorpg.
So, because you're sick of 10-20 people companies with budgets of 1 million dollar, they should stop creating developing mmo's?
Indeed. they should look for a job in big corporations, so they actually have a chance to create a decent mmorpg. I'm sure its not the talent thats the problem
However, here is the first sentence on the Home page of nogold.org:
"NoGold.org is an organization of MMORPG webmasters who are opposed to the secondary market which exists outside of MMORPG games."
Roma Victor's VERM system is not a secondary market. Case closed.
It is about SPORTSMANSHIP!
MMORPGs are games, and most players expect their peers to treat them as such. Purchasing gold, items, and accounts from businesses detracts from the nature of the game. MMORPGs are hugely competitive (where players compete for levels, items, honor, and status). When players with large bank accounts simply buy their way to the top, it ruins that element of the game for everyone else.
This front page quote on nogold.org covers why the Verm is just as corrupt. When a game developer monopolizes the secondary market, it's just as wrong.
"We feel gold selling and websites that promote it damage games like Vanguard and will do everything possible to combat it."
Brad McQuaid
Chairman & CEO, Sigil Games Online, Inc.
Executive Producer, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
www.vanguardsoh
I haven't said anything about what RV is like, I don't care about it. All my comments have been directed at a fan doing a remarkable job damaging something he likes with half truths, name calling, and faulty logic. Sometimes I pull out something in game, like unimplemented skills, just to further prove the point that you have no clue what you're talking about.
And I don't intend to be a solution because I don't care what happens to it. I just think it would be best for the entire project if you left and never posted again, leaving the comments and threads to the rest of the fans who, although they have their bad moments, at least can have a discussion.
For christ's sake, the head developer told you to stop twice in the main forums. What the hell is wrong with you?
Other than that few of your posts contained anything about what was discussed in this thread. Like the comment that they could remove the "you are entering" msgs. Seems you totaly missed the point (even semp got it). It's not the "You are entering" part it's the name of the place you are entering, and that's not limited to the places you enter, it's the names of everything.
It's the unpolishness of this game we are attacking, that includes the ugly graphics, the place names, the barren terrain etc etc etc. I'm sorry but if you are releasing something that unfinished to deserve to be flamed no matter if you are a small time dev or large one like SOE. Every mmorpg player I know is tired of paying to alpha test...
but you wouldn't see the name of the gate or room anyway so for all we know they could be naming them entering_your_momma. the NPCs are a diffrent story though.
Thanks for admitting that you are posting here for amusement; also with the belief that what you are contributing to is the death of an independant MMOG and you find that funny.
Nice. Now everyone here can see your character.
Um..you only just realized that?! Semp, your like a one man freak show...and its not just them that are contributing its you also...I have lost count how many people, including KFR, have told you to shutup.
Also proves how childish MMORPG.com members are. Would this whole thread then not be considered a troll post?
Also your saying you would not buy Rv cuz of semp, well i could see why many ppl wouldn't join MMORPG.com. cuz of you guys.
P.S. Sorry for the triple post but the post feature lacks a quote feature, unless i am jsut a noob and iddn't see it.
Virtus, will you please follow your own advice, and "shut up." Your 'help' is not needed and only drags things out with your worthless posts. If you have got something to say about Roma Victor, then fine. But, otherwise, you have no influence over me whatsoever. You don't even have enough leadership to lead a guild in a game. See, the problem here, Virtus, is I'm dealing with people on your same level; childish. The only difference between you and the haters is that they don't play the game.
If you have lost count of the "shut ups" then you can't count very high.
I know this is hard for you, especially since you have not played Roma Victor and do not know much about it, but:
1. Redbedlam does NOT, "monopolize the secondary market." There is no secondary market! Because Redbedlam controls the economy there is no profit in secondary markets. That's the main point you don't get. Redbedlam acts just like a real government, minting the money and controlling inflation.
2. The only thing you can buy is money. You cannot buy skills, levels, extra powerful weapons, expansions, or anything else to give you an advantage other than the regular items that any other player can normally craft or buy within the game. What does this mean? There is no real benefit to buying money other than to save a player time spent in-game crafting or earning money regularly.
Until you understand that you will be lost on Roma Victor and the VERM.
Well so far you've pissed off people who hate the game, critical observers, indifferent bystanders, and potential customers. Guess it only makes sense for you to start insulting other fans too.
Do me a favor and never promote anything I like.
And you calling Semp a one man freak show isn't adding fuel to the fire?
Maybe that's the problem you and others are having here, tetsul. I am not a promoter. You would like me to be because then I am easier to attack, but, I'm simply a player that came to mmorpg.com in search of a realistic virtual world, found one, played the game for about six months, wrote a review and am now backing up what I wrote. I hope that like-minded players find the same enjoyment as I do in a realistic virtual world like Roma Victor and that is the only interest I have in writing the review and discussing the game here.
As said previously, if anything in my review is in error or not true, please point it out and I will be happy to correct it as soon as possible. I have already made a few corrections and additions to better clarify; at the suggestions of other posters.
When I came to mmorpg.com I heard the same garbage and complaints about the graphics that have been discussed in this thread, but I decided to try the game anyway, what I found was the MMOG that is closest to what I was looking for, a realistic virtual world. The forums full of unwarranted attacks on the game from people that did not play the game were not helpful.
Maybe that's the problem you and others are having here, tetsul. I am not a promoter. You would like me to be because then I am easier to attack, but, I'm simply a player that came to mmorpg.com in search of a realistic virtual world, found one, played the game for about six months, wrote a review and am now backing up what I wrote.
No you are what is becoming more and more common. You're a semi psychotic fan who goes ballistic at any criticism over a fricking video game. Then in your brainless rage you piss off normal people who just play games for fun, thus hurting the developers by scaring away the normal customers. In the meantime you build up some pitiful belief of superiority to justify why you and the other semi psychotics are the only ones playing.
If they're true the leaked Vanguard beta opinion is another example of this.
Sorry, didn't mean to try to bring common sense into your obsession. Tell us how hardcore and realistic RV is. Maybe one day we can all be superior and play whatever game you've decided to make a cult of. I guess I can always dream...
You've gone off the edge, tetsul.
Simply put, Roma Victor is the most realistic virtual world MMOG that I have found to date. Roma Victor is an open-ended PvP sandbox world where players set their own goals. As such, it's a game that many are not going to enjoy, players are likely to either love it or hate it.
So without even playing it, you hate it. Fine. That's OK.
Exactly. And some disagree, and some don't care for the game for those reasons. When you create a thread about a game that players are either going to love or hate as you just said, you need to expect all of the replies you have recieved. The back and forth hasn't proved anything but this.
You're trying to persuade the unpersuasive and the results have shown. Telling people to get out of the thread and making posts like, "I just wanted to quote your worthless trash of a post so I could reference it later if needed." aren't earning you or Roma Victor any fans.
Well, that's just it, I'm not trying to earn any fans. I expected the replies; the haters were making them before I even played the game.
I'm not trying to be a saint here. If someone fires insults at me, I will fire right back. If someone writes something without backing it up, I will try to disprove it. If someone writes an opinion without even playing the game, I will discredit them. I have a low tolerance for bullshit.
You've gone of the edge, tetsul.
Simply put, Roma Victor is the most realistic virtual world MMOG that I have found to date. Roma Victor is an open-ended PvP sandbox world where players set their own goals. As such, it's a game that many are not going to enjoy, players are likely to either love it or hate it.
So without even playing it, you hate it. Fine. That's OK.
It's like dealing with a roman version of Joel. You like a game cool, but when someone says something critical about it like graphics how about saying things like future upgrades or speedtree additions, and not attack posts about going to WoW, or nonsense about grey, washed out colors being realistic and all they had in the Roman era. You would be surprised how much nicer the replies would be if you would discuss game issues in a sane and productive manner and not get all pissy like it's a personal shot against you. The way you and the other fans wig out over everything bad said and the way you write off any criticism is what brings the cult talk.
But when you write this big review about how good the game is and what it offers here in The Pub section, you set yourself up in this thread as a community representative for Roma Victor. You should be discussing the game and being upfront about the faults it has.
The graphics aren't special. They aren't. And I'm not a graphics whore either. I mean, I'm currently playing a anime-ish 2D MMO called Trickster Online. Though I do like the style of the graphics in Trickster, I know that they are outdated and I understand that many think they're crap. And if someone says they are I go, "Yeah, if you're not a fan of the old-SNES style then I agree."
You're trying to persuade people into feeling what you feel about the game, and that's not going to happen. Many have felt here that you're pushing too hard and it's pointless. I think to a degree with some of your posts you have. In others you are merely defending the game and that's a-ok. But we go back to representing the community and when you fire insults or disregard what others have said (and I mean valid arguements and points that have been brought up) it doesn't reflect well on the RV community and the game itself.
I understand the spot you're in because I was once in a situation somewhat like yours. It's ok to be opinionated and say what you like on the forums, but you have to hold back if you're going to try to present the game to us in a positive light.
Well, now, tetsul, a decent reply I will treat with the same, but maybe you have missed all the hollow negative "poo" posts including your own. You would do well to heed your own advice.
When you use words like, "nonsense," "pissy," and "wig out," to describe me and my responses in the very same post that you ask me to, "discuss game issues in a sane and productive manner;" after just posting this:
"You're a semi psychotic fan who goes ballistic at any criticism over a fricking video game. Then in your brainless rage you piss off normal people who just play games for fun, thus hurting the developers by scaring away the normal customers. In the meantime you build up some pitiful belief of superiority to justify why you and the other semi psychotics are the only ones playing." - tetsul
Do you expect good results? Do you expect to, "discuss game issues in a sane and productive manner?"
"...your refusal to even acknowledge any problems is causing more problems to RB's project then any comments from "haters". -tetsul
Which problems am I "refusing" to acknowledge, tetsul?
GRAPHICS! Where have you been this thread?
Enough of this stupidity. I just hope for Redbedlam's sake they can survive the "help" they are getting from their fans.
I've been right here, tetsul. Where have you been?
You don't hope, you could care less: On Roma Victor, "I don't care about it." -tetsul
Stupid is as stupid does.
"...your refusal to even acknowledge any problems..." - tetsul
You are full of bull, tetsul, I have aknowledged problems - several in the first post. There's not any problem with the overall graphics and I did in fact respond, many times. The graphics in Roma Victor are the most realistic I have seen in any MMOG:
Rome: Total War / Roma Victor
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As someone who has never played Roma Victor, are there any other problems you have that I have not acknowledged, tetsul?