Originally posted by Vendayn I don't expect it to fail, it might...but I doubt it.
DDO failed because it was too much like Guildwars, mostly because they wanted to make it like Dungeons and dragons, small groups doing missions together. Doesn't hold too well in MMORPGs so
AC2...well...I liked it a lot myself, but thats me
AC...first mmorpg I"ve ever played (AC=Asheron's call) and it was very good
Now, LOTRO I hope does good and I do have a good feeling about it...but we'll see
Not too mention how hard it must be to make an MMO out of a pen and paper game like that
Originally posted by vontornm Hello to all, Well I have seen the game run in the beta stage (I’m not in beta but it is in my house) I’m not going to play this one it’s another one of the same old crap that is coming out of the MMO industry today. Spoon fed questing and combat lvl’s From what little I could stand to watch it looks just like WoW in a different skin. I had very high hopes for this one but not my play style.
Oh well just my two cents.
Don't judge a game from its beta. Every game changes sooo much from beta -> retail. That's why it's called beta. And quests are meant to be easy early on so that new players too MMO's can get a feel for it, and everyone can understand its controls. You aren't going to be asked to do something very difficult right out of the gate. And something tells me this person hasn't gotten past the first few levels to get to the actual questing.
Well I have seen the game run in the beta stage (I’m not in beta but it is in my house) I’m not going to play this one it’s another one of the same old crap that is coming out of the MMO industry today. Spoon fed questing and combat lvl’s From what little I could stand to watch it looks just like WoW in a different skin. I had very high hopes for this one butnot my play style.
Oh well just my two cents.
Don't judge a game from its beta. Every game changes sooo much from beta -> retail. That's why it's called beta. And quests are meant to be easy early on so that new players too MMO's can get a feel for it, and everyone can understand its controls. You aren't going to be asked to do something very difficult right out of the gate. And something tells me this person hasn't gotten past the first few levels to get to the actual questing.
I think you really need to read what I stated about this game and the current games on the market. I don't like questing I want a sand box like my first MMO was (SWG) and I play L2 now and only do the class transfer quests because I have to.
As far and changes made in a game from beta to live I don't know of any that chage from Quseting to Sand Box style and only one that has gone the other way.
I Had played WoW and didn't care for he spoon fed, everyone is the same none crafting full of leet speaking kids that want it now and all about pvp.
I don't need my ego stroked in a game by getting some pvp score or getting fat loot.
Originally posted by vontornm Hello to all, Well I have seen the game run in the beta stage (I’m not in beta but it is in my house) I’m not going to play this one it’s another one of the same old crap that is coming out of the MMO industry today. Spoon fed questing and combat lvl’s From what little I could stand to watch it looks just like WoW in a different skin. I had very high hopes for this one but not my play style.
Quote from post I also feel the need to point out that saying things like "my sister is in the beta and she says that it's great" is still breaking our rules. Violation of NDAs, even as a third party, is still against our rules
But getting to the point, I don't think this game will be a big flop like people think it will be. For every game that a company puts out, they learn more about what people want. They are taking thier time with this one. I think it is in beta now and last I heard it was not being released till Spring 07. I am hoping that they learned something from DDO and that LotR will be a good game.
~*~*~Rlena~*~*~ I Don't Need To "Get A Life." I'm A Gamer, I have LOTS of Lives!
I'm not seeing anything presented so far that makes LOTRO seem like WOW, or quite like anything else. I expect it will more complex than running around Middle Earth killing orcs.
There are so many games set in ME right now and in the recent past where you can fight the epic battles and trace the steps of the characters through the story.
The ability to see the world behind the story scenes, to live in it, adventure in it, and have some place and role in the world is what I'm looking for.
From everything I see, the Turbine folk are very smart about how they write that world, how they trace out those adventures.
There is still room for huge improvements, if they keep up at this pace, this game will be a sucess. The GMs and the Developers really listen to the players, and hopefully make the game more enjoyable.
Originally posted by scaramoosh I think it'lll suck:
1. It's Turbine You could have stopped here and your point would have been driven home.
2. It does nothing new 3. Has no pvpBut but it will have 'Monster PVP'..../laff I'm willing to bet big money they pull a City of Heros and go all out on PVP in a expansion once people start leaving in drones from boredom. And just like City of Heros it will be horribly implemented and feel awkward as they try to balance it all out.
4. Can't play as Orc 5. That lotr gif of that WOW piss take
------------------------------ You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
This game will be a huge success and it will last for years and years and years. It will spawn several sequals or perhaps simply expand itself indefinitely through graphics updates and additional content. The awareness of Lord of the Rings is greater now than ever and anyone who even slightly enjoys games and fantasy will at least try this out.
Perhaps some hard-core gamers will play it and leave when they've done everything there is to do, but for the massive population of other players, especially casual folks who might only play 10-20 hours a week this will probably be "the" game.
For example, look at EQ1. Still going strong after 6 years and it had absolutely no lore other than it was fantasy. Look at SWG. Still going and it will for a long time because people want to explore the Star Wars galaxy (I personally consider SWG a failure but I'm sure that financially it has paid for itself).
Millions of people want to explore middle-earth and now they'll get a chance.
Anyone who says this title will be a flop is extremely short sighted.
For the record, games absolutely do not need pvp in order to be successful. There are a lot of great looking pvp games on the horizon (and some now) but this is not a prerequisite to a successful game because there are -way- more people out there that would rather not pvp.
If the game play is balanced, the servers are stable, the code is relatively bug free, and the graphics are decent then this game will rule them all.
I think it will top out at 350k-500k subscribers in the US much like DDO. I think wow standards should not be applied to MMO's- it makes it impossible for innovation and risk. Let wow be wow. Be yourself devs. New MMO games should take a stand and state they don't care about the WoW numbers. But because it is business this will not happen. So if LOTRO does not have 10 million subscribers is it a flop? Yes- according to today’s consultants.
Yes, you're correct. You can't play evil characters. There's no justification for it in the lore. Incidentally, Turbine doesn't control the lore, their contract with TE does. If TE says no to something, Turbine has to do what they say.
Originally posted by Moirae Yes, you're correct. You can't play evil characters. There's no justification for it in the lore. Incidentally, Turbine doesn't control the lore, their contract with TE does. If TE says no to something, Turbine has to do what they say.
tolkien controls the lore XD
it'll definitely succeed. IDK if it will beat WoW, but its def possible, especially with the incredible graphics and fanbase
Originally posted by kylecameron1 I dont get it, why doesnt anybody think that it would be fun to run around in middle earth killing orcs, it would be even cooler if they made it so you could be an orc and you start in Mordor or a human or hobbit or stuff like that and you start in rohan or something. That would be fun but I dont see why you people dont think itll be, but you tell me why.
Ok, you take two of the biggest licenses in the world of fantasy (Dungeons & Dragons, Lord of the Rings) and hand them to a company. Then this company precedes to take one of those licenses, Dungeons & Dragons, and makes an MMO that is not of the same high quality that the license is and fails nearly all expectations. This comapny then goes on to work on the other license to create another MMO, knowing that for many, LotR is to the fantasy genre as the Bible is to Christianity.
So we have:
The biggest IP in the fantasy genre - Lord of the (freaking) Rings.
A company with a portfolio that you wouldn't really call amazing.
Rabid MMO gamers who want something good and want something new.
Originally posted by williamstome Originally posted by Moirae Yes, you're correct. You can't play evil characters. There's no justification for it in the lore. Incidentally, Turbine doesn't control the lore, their contract with TE does. If TE says no to something, Turbine has to do what they say.
tolkien controls the lore XD
it'll definitely succeed. IDK if it will beat WoW, but its def possible, especially with the incredible graphics and fanbase
No kidding. You mean you didn't know that TE means Tolkien Enterprises?
Originally posted by IdesofMarch Originally posted by kylecameron1 I dont get it, why doesnt anybody think that it would be fun to run around in middle earth killing orcs, it would be even cooler if they made it so you could be an orc and you start in Mordor or a human or hobbit or stuff like that and you start in rohan or something. That would be fun but I dont see why you people dont think itll be, but you tell me why.
Ok, you take two of the biggest licenses in the world of fantasy (Dungeons & Dragons, Lord of the Rings) and hand them to a company. Then this company precedes to take one of those licenses, Dungeons & Dragons, and makes an MMO that is not of the same high quality that the license is and fails nearly all expectations. This comapny then goes on to work on the other license to create another MMO, knowing that for many, LotR is to the fantasy genre as the Bible is to Christianity.
So we have:
The biggest IP in the fantasy genre - Lord of the (freaking) Rings.
A company with a portfolio that you wouldn't really call amazing.
Rabid MMO gamers who want something good and want something new.
It's hard not to be skeptical about this title.
their portfolio isn't crappy. DDO sucked but Asheron's call most certainly didn't.
I think that they could do a little more to show us how this isn't a DDO repeat. With DDO it just felt like the people making the game had absolutely no idea what people expect from an MMO, what features give the game longevity, encourage a strong community and break up the monotony of slaying an endless supply of orcs and goblins.
Launching without mounts or player housing is, IMO, a huge mistake. They don't just have to compete with WoW, EQ2 and SWG. They also have to compete with WAR, Vanguard and Age of Conan.... games that aren't lacking so many things people consider core features these days.
their portfolio isn't crappy. DDO sucked but Asheron's call most certainly didn't.
Remember Asheron's Call 2?
Asheron's Call isn't crappy to a lot of folks. I don't think it's crappy and I don't think DDO is crappy, since I've never played either so I couldn't say.
But a shut down game and another that hasn't exactly reached the success it could have doesn't really help support faith in their future products. In the world of MMOs it's, "What have you done for me lately?" And Turbine in the eyes of many hasn't done a whole lot in recent memory.
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Turbine = Failure.
Like DDO, it will be long on promises broken, defects, broken quests, bad designs, and overall general not-fun implementations.
History is a much better predictor of the future than Hype.
A game with much better chance for success is WAR. Even though Mythic is now a compromised company, there is still hope. But we shall see.
I think our best hope for a new MMORPG will reside with something not yet on the radar. For instance, if Blizzard were to do a Starcraft MMORPG . . .
DDO -> Niche market for D&D fans.
LOTRO -> Mainstream MMO for Tolkien fans and MMO players alike.
I personally don't think it will fail at all.
I think you really need to read what I stated about this game and the current games on the market. I don't like questing I want a sand box like my first MMO was (SWG) and I play L2 now and only do the class transfer quests because I have to.
As far and changes made in a game from beta to live I don't know of any that chage from Quseting to Sand Box style and only one that has gone the other way.
I Had played WoW and didn't care for he spoon fed, everyone is the same none crafting full of leet speaking kids that want it now and all about pvp.
I don't need my ego stroked in a game by getting some pvp score or getting fat loot.
You may want to watch what you say with this one. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/92239
Quote from post I also feel the need to point out that saying things like "my sister is in the beta and she says that it's great" is still breaking our rules. Violation of NDAs, even as a third party, is still against our rules
But getting to the point, I don't think this game will be a big flop like people think it will be. For every game that a company puts out, they learn more about what people want. They are taking thier time with this one. I think it is in beta now and last I heard it was not being released till Spring 07. I am hoping that they learned something from DDO and that LotR will be a good game.
~*~*~Rlena~*~*~
I Don't Need To "Get A Life." I'm A Gamer, I have LOTS of Lives!
I'm not seeing anything presented so far that makes LOTRO seem like WOW, or quite like anything else. I expect it will more complex than running around Middle Earth killing orcs.
There are so many games set in ME right now and in the recent past where you can fight the epic battles and trace the steps of the characters through the story.
The ability to see the world behind the story scenes, to live in it, adventure in it, and have some place and role in the world is what I'm looking for.
From everything I see, the Turbine folk are very smart about how they write that world, how they trace out those adventures.
------------------------------
You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
This game will be a huge success and it will last for years and years and years. It will spawn several sequals or perhaps simply expand itself indefinitely through graphics updates and additional content. The awareness of Lord of the Rings is greater now than ever and anyone who even slightly enjoys games and fantasy will at least try this out.
Perhaps some hard-core gamers will play it and leave when they've done everything there is to do, but for the massive population of other players, especially casual folks who might only play 10-20 hours a week this will probably be "the" game.
For example, look at EQ1. Still going strong after 6 years and it had absolutely no lore other than it was fantasy. Look at SWG. Still going and it will for a long time because people want to explore the Star Wars galaxy (I personally consider SWG a failure but I'm sure that financially it has paid for itself).
Millions of people want to explore middle-earth and now they'll get a chance.
Anyone who says this title will be a flop is extremely short sighted.
For the record, games absolutely do not need pvp in order to be successful. There are a lot of great looking pvp games on the horizon (and some now) but this is not a prerequisite to a successful game because there are -way- more people out there that would rather not pvp.
If the game play is balanced, the servers are stable, the code is relatively bug free, and the graphics are decent then this game will rule them all.
I think it will top out at 350k-500k subscribers in the US much like DDO. I think wow standards should not be applied to MMO's- it makes it impossible for innovation and risk. Let wow be wow. Be yourself devs. New MMO games should take a stand and state they don't care about the WoW numbers. But because it is business this will not happen. So if LOTRO does not have 10 million subscribers is it a flop? Yes- according to today’s consultants.
I say screw the new WoW standard!
im not sure if im currect but from what ive read, this game is based on the original story and you cant play any evil characters.
personally i think its just another mmo.
it'll definitely succeed. IDK if it will beat WoW, but its def possible, especially with the incredible graphics and fanbase
"I think it will top out at 350k-500k subscribers in the US much like DDO."
LOL.. I'm sorry to inform you but DDO didn't even break 100k. It was an embarressing failure.
Here you go http://www.mmorpgchart.com/Chart3.html
Ok, you take two of the biggest licenses in the world of fantasy (Dungeons & Dragons, Lord of the Rings) and hand them to a company. Then this company precedes to take one of those licenses, Dungeons & Dragons, and makes an MMO that is not of the same high quality that the license is and fails nearly all expectations. This comapny then goes on to work on the other license to create another MMO, knowing that for many, LotR is to the fantasy genre as the Bible is to Christianity.
So we have:
It's hard not to be skeptical about this title.
it'll definitely succeed. IDK if it will beat WoW, but its def possible, especially with the incredible graphics and fanbase
No kidding. You mean you didn't know that TE means Tolkien Enterprises?
Ok, you take two of the biggest licenses in the world of fantasy (Dungeons & Dragons, Lord of the Rings) and hand them to a company. Then this company precedes to take one of those licenses, Dungeons & Dragons, and makes an MMO that is not of the same high quality that the license is and fails nearly all expectations. This comapny then goes on to work on the other license to create another MMO, knowing that for many, LotR is to the fantasy genre as the Bible is to Christianity.
So we have:
It's hard not to be skeptical about this title.
their portfolio isn't crappy. DDO sucked but Asheron's call most certainly didn't.
I think that they could do a little more to show us how this isn't a DDO repeat. With DDO it just felt like the people making the game had absolutely no idea what people expect from an MMO, what features give the game longevity, encourage a strong community and break up the monotony of slaying an endless supply of orcs and goblins.
Launching without mounts or player housing is, IMO, a huge mistake. They don't just have to compete with WoW, EQ2 and SWG. They also have to compete with WAR, Vanguard and Age of Conan.... games that aren't lacking so many things people consider core features these days.
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Remember Asheron's Call 2?
Asheron's Call isn't crappy to a lot of folks. I don't think it's crappy and I don't think DDO is crappy, since I've never played either so I couldn't say.
But a shut down game and another that hasn't exactly reached the success it could have doesn't really help support faith in their future products. In the world of MMOs it's, "What have you done for me lately?" And Turbine in the eyes of many hasn't done a whole lot in recent memory.