We Dutch are most famous for going around sticking our fingers in dyke holes.
Man do they get mad.
Lol Why are you laughing at your own joke? thats kind of sad. Muhahahahahahahahahaha, why do you think all these posts are from me? You are wrong sir. Because one of them was very immature. Given to the fact that you already have 2 accounts, I'm not surprised you made a 3rd.
This is not a governmental matter at all. This is a religious matter. Why is the government in the marriage business? Think about that.
I agree. We should keep the government out of it and keep it as a Religious matter. We wouldnt have an issue, would we.
Let the people decide. What would be the answer? No Gay marriage. but no, the liberal judges have to step in and open a can of worms.
Leave marriage the way it is. One Man and one woman. The secular progressives are demoralizing society.
You contradicted yourself on that statement. Don't do that, it's confusing.
You said we should keep the government out of marriage and keep it as a religious matter. That I agree with. But then you go on to say that we should leave marriage the way it is, one man and one woman. That's where you lost me.
You are aware that there are religions in this country that say gay marriage is fine and are ready to perform the ceremonies and recognize the commitment made by two people of the same sex?
So, what are you saying? Is it a religious matter only for the religions you agree are right? Or are you saying that it is a religious matter that the government should stay out of and let the people fall into their respective churches to be left alone by the government?
Hetero's are not forced to have any kind of contact or experience with gay marriage either.
If you read some of my other posts, you would see how it affects everyone, even children.
A new definition of marriage that includes same-sex marriage is fundamentally flawed because it attempts to disconnect the natural link between marriage and procreation. History and nature instruct us that marriage is the proper setting for parenthood. Although not all heterosexual couples are able to procreate, this ability is structurally missing from the homosexual relationship. The homosexual relationship precludes any chance of procreation.
The Netherlands provides a good example of what happens when the natural link is torn apart. The Netherlands officially recognized same-sex marriage in 2000, but started moving in the direction of acceptance in the late 1980s. Since then, out-of-wedlock births have skyrocketed to the point where most adults don’t even bother getting married and children often grow up in unstable families, without married parents. In the Netherlands, the acceptance of gay marriage signified the destruction and abolition of marriage as the socially preferred setting for parenthood. Along with the demise of the institutions of marriage and parenthood, the Netherlands, and other Western countries with similar policies, have witnessed the acceptance and implementation of astonishingly liberal policies on abortion, cloning, and other bioethics issues, and the loss of their religious identity. In fact, 75 percent of Dutch under the age of 35 claim no religious affiliation. We have no reason to think this won’t happen in the United States. The relationship between the cheapening of the institution of marriage and the demise of a country’s culture is too strong to ignore.
The institution of marriage is the fundamental center of our society and civilization. Not only is marriage a contract, but also a social estate, subject to state laws of property, inheritance, and to the expectations of the local community; a spiritual association, subject to the creed and canons of a religious community; and most fundamentally, a natural institution, subject to the natural laws taught by reason and conscience, nature and custom. Marriage is a social institution older than the nation-state, contract law, Christianity, or any known institution.
You're applying a fallacious argument here to derive your "truth".
Just because one thing happens does not automatically correlate something else occurring as it's consequence. Even if they occur in tandem through time it doesn't force a correlation.
Your argument is that gay marriage causes a breakdown of heterosexual marriage. Yet you bring two things to the table that you can't prove are corrollary. If you're going to try to prove that two things happen with a critical dependency, then you've got to be able to bring proof of that link to the argument. Otherwise it's just hearsay.
See, I'll punch a hole in your argument right now using your logic with this statement...
Ever since the increase in heterosexual divorce rates there has been an increase in the demand for homosexual marriage. Therefore, I conclude that it's the fault of heterosexuals that homosexuals are demanding gay marriage.
Does that sound like a good argument to you? It should if you hold fast to your logic.
I agree completely. Part of what marriage is about is Tradition. Marriage has always been between 1 man and 1 woman. Anything else is breaking the tradition. It's about more than just legal status and so forth. Changing the tradition of marriage will make marriage less meaningful. If anyone can get married to anyone, then marriage doesn't matter anymore, and that's not something I will stand for. Can't gay people just be happy with Civil Unions? It gives you the same legal status without ruining the tradition of marriage. I just wish they'd let us have a vote up here in Canada, we didn't get any say in the matter and I'd feel pretty safe saying that most Canadians oppose gay marriage as well.
That is truly beautiful. Your marriage only has meaning if you exclude other people from marrying. Only one group can marry (the one which you are obviously part of), while the other group can not (of which your not part of), because if the other group would be allowed to marry, then those poor, married couples would no longer feel that they are special.
Actually no, you twist words so they suit your purpose. It's not that I want to keep marriage the way it is because it excludes people, as much as you'd like that to be. I want to keep marriage the way it is because it's a tradition, because that's the way it's always been, and it's the way it always should be. I will not stand for the bastardization of marriage just because gay people decide they should have it their way.
When we change our traditions we lose the connection to who we are, who we were, and who our ancestors were. Just look at Christmas., or Easter.
Perhaps next time you should read entire posts instead of just playing with your highlighter. For example, read the rest of the paragraph before the part you picked on.
Are you trying to claim that you did NOT say "Well hey, if everyone can just marry these days, then my marriage just doesn't matter anymore", because that is EXACTLY what you said. Tradition or no tradition, Marriage also has benefits. And equal rights > Tradition any time of the day. Also, allow homosexuals doesn't change anything for you. it doesn't affect you in any way or form.
I mean, imo, all those opposed to homosexuality are like children. "We came up with a new game, and YOUR not allowed to play with us, nananana"
Who we were? who our ancestors were? Our ancestors were people that were less advanced then us. With diffrent idea's and diffrent value's. They should be noted, but not be taken as a big example.
Once again you appear to have blinders on. Read the paragraph. Reading comprehension is your friend. What you think I said and what I said are two different things. It's the sign of a weak mind when you fixate solely on one small part of the argument in order to try and discount the rest.
Here, I'll copy it again so you can read the whole thing.
Part of what marriage is about is Tradition. Marriage has always been between 1 man and 1 woman. Anything else is breaking the tradition. It's about more than just legal status and so forth. Changing the tradition of marriage will make marriage less meaningful.If anyone can get married to anyone, then marriage doesn't matter anymore, and that's not something I will stand for.
When you bastardize the tradition, you take away its meaning. Look at Easter, why is Easter a holiday? It's not cause we all have some incredible urge to hide some eggs. Preserving our traditions is part of preserving our culture and heritage. When you lose that, you lose the core of where you came from. It sounds like you don't care about any of that, for which I pity you.
I find your comments about childish behaviour rather ironic, as you seem to be trying to insult everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. Before you get the urge to once again fixate on something, read the entire post again please. I would hate for you to once again take something out of context. If you just can't let the little things go, feel free to move on. I don't want to have to spend another post outlining things for you.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Unitarian Universalist -- A liberal and diverse religious organization comprised of mostly atheists (or non-theists), agnostics, Humanists, liberal Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Neopagans, etc.
OMG....youi have to be kidding me!!!!
LEts make another religion or two
and another and another...just to suit the situation.ROFL!!!!!!!!
I agree completely. Part of what marriage is about is Tradition. Marriage has always been between 1 man and 1 woman. Anything else is breaking the tradition. It's about more than just legal status and so forth. Changing the tradition of marriage will make marriage less meaningful. If anyone can get married to anyone, then marriage doesn't matter anymore, and that's not something I will stand for. Can't gay people just be happy with Civil Unions? It gives you the same legal status without ruining the tradition of marriage. I just wish they'd let us have a vote up here in Canada, we didn't get any say in the matter and I'd feel pretty safe saying that most Canadians oppose gay marriage as well.
That is truly beautiful. Your marriage only has meaning if you exclude other people from marrying. Only one group can marry (the one which you are obviously part of), while the other group can not (of which your not part of), because if the other group would be allowed to marry, then those poor, married couples would no longer feel that they are special.
Actually no, you twist words so they suit your purpose. It's not that I want to keep marriage the way it is because it excludes people, as much as you'd like that to be. I want to keep marriage the way it is because it's a tradition, because that's the way it's always been, and it's the way it always should be. I will not stand for the bastardization of marriage just because gay people decide they should have it their way.
When we change our traditions we lose the connection to who we are, who we were, and who our ancestors were. Just look at Christmas., or Easter.
Perhaps next time you should read entire posts instead of just playing with your highlighter. For example, read the rest of the paragraph before the part you picked on.
Are you trying to claim that you did NOT say "Well hey, if everyone can just marry these days, then my marriage just doesn't matter anymore", because that is EXACTLY what you said. Tradition or no tradition, Marriage also has benefits. And equal rights > Tradition any time of the day. Also, allow homosexuals doesn't change anything for you. it doesn't affect you in any way or form.
I mean, imo, all those opposed to homosexuality are like children. "We came up with a new game, and YOUR not allowed to play with us, nananana"
Who we were? who our ancestors were? Our ancestors were people that were less advanced then us. With diffrent idea's and diffrent value's. They should be noted, but not be taken as a big example.
Once again you appear to have blinders on. Read the paragraph. Reading comprehension is your friend. What you think I said and what I said are two different things. It's the sign of a weak mind when you fixate solely on one small part of the argument in order to try and discount the rest.
Here, I'll copy it again so you can read the whole thing.
Part of what marriage is about is Tradition. Marriage has always been between 1 man and 1 woman. Anything else is breaking the tradition. It's about more than just legal status and so forth. Changing the tradition of marriage will make marriage less meaningful.If anyone can get married to anyone, then marriage doesn't matter anymore, and that's not something I will stand for.
When you bastardize the tradition, you take away its meaning. Look at Easter, why is Easter a holiday? It's not cause we all have some incredible urge to hide some eggs. Preserving our traditions is part of preserving our culture and heritage. When you lose that, you lose the core of where you came from. It sounds like you don't care about any of that, for which I pity you.
I find your comments about childish behaviour rather ironic, as you seem to be trying to insult everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. Before you get the urge to once again fixate on something, read the entire post again please. I would hate for you to once again take something out of context. If you just can't let the little things go, feel free to move on. I don't want to have to spend another post outlining things for you.
And where exactly did I insult anyone in this thread? Oh thats right, I didn't. It also seems that your mixing up your own post, don't do that again. I did fully understand what you were saying, but I get a feeling that its you that is missing the point I made, not the other way around.
I am right and you cant admit it. If I am so wrong, why hasnt it been legalized?
Know why?
THE PEOPLE DONT WANT IT BECAUSE IT IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So because a lot of people say it, its suddenly right? Hundreds of years ago, Most people thought the world was flat.
Nothing wrong with queers getting married, leaves more rampant totty for us real men!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
It was funny once MMO_Man, now its just childish. Grow up already. What??? If you have a problem with me then send me a pm or block me. Stop blaming me for things I didn't do and reporting me for every little thing. Believe me when I tell you that I'm not the only person who hates you.
It was funny once MMO_Man, now its just childish. Grow up already. What??? If you have a problem with me then send me a pm or block me. Stop blaming me for things I didn't do and reporting me for every little thing. Believe me when I tell you that I'm not the only person who hates you. But you are the only person who is childish enough to do such a thing. You can stop pretending you know nothing about it now. I doubt its coincidence that right after you "Lamegoading" makes a post, a short while after, you make a reply with one of your accounts (the other one is Buzzkillgore). You did the exact same thing in another thread. Let it go already, joke was funny once, not twice, and after 3 times, its annoying. Anyway, I'm out of this thread. Its about time that the mods ban the troll.
But you are the only person who is childish enough to do such a thing.
Lies! I posess a most infantile sense of humor, unfortunately, that sense of humor does not extend to creating extra accounts to berade someone, no matter how much I disagree with your views and opinions.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Woot, I'm from Massachusetts Go Go Gay marriage. Well not really, i just don't care.
Basically, I could care less about gay marriage for the following reason.
1. People are going to get together, live together and what not, if they allow same sex marriage, the only difference is, that gay couples will now get a tax break or whatever benefits married couples get. People will still do whatever they feel like doing, they will basically be gay and act married.
To put it in a different form.
10 years from now, Adam and Steve will be living together, doing the nasty together, and perhaps raising up some kid or another and being the parents and guardians. Either they will have some silly certificate saying they're married or they won't. Either way, it won't make a difference. Thus I dont' care about gay marriage or not. Many heterosexual couples are eschewing the institution of marriage as it is now. It's already meaningless in the US where the divorce rate is 50%. I truly don't even know why people bother to get married if they're just going to get divorced half the time. I wonder what % of people cheat on their spouses. Another sign of eroding values of marriage.
Anyway, the argument of why would you ban something that wont' affect heteros but would make homos happy is a sometimes a good argument, but what happens down the line if some dude is like, let me marry 20 wives, if they agree to it and it makes eveyrone happy then why not? If it makes me happy and doesn't hurt anyone else than why not. You can pretty much legalize everything on that argument.
Also, anyone know how i can't login using firefox but i can login like 50% using internet explorer?
Cryomatrix
P.S. My first day at college in a liberal Northeast School i saw a sign on a walk way, it read, "You're here, you're queer, now what?" LOL.
It was from the LBGTQ group or something supposedly it stood for Lesbian, bisexual, Gay, transgender, and queer or something like that. Also, there's like a queer and/or diversity seat in the student council, and someone ran with the platform to abolish the seat he was running for. He lost though, but it was funny.
Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
I mean, imo, all those opposed to homosexuality are like children. "We came up with a new game, and YOUR not allowed to play with us, nananana"
I find your comments about childish behaviour rather ironic, as you seem to be trying to insult everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint.
And where exactly did I insult anyone in this thread? Oh thats right, I didn't. It also seems that your mixing up your own post, don't do that again. I did fully understand what you were saying, but I get a feeling that its you that is missing the point I made, not the other way around.
There, I made it simple for you. But once again you've simply fixated on one thing and ignored any argument against you. Trying to have a conversation with you seems like a waste of time.
"You lose, good day sir" - Willy Wonka
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Nothing wrong with queers getting married, leaves more rampant totty for us real men!
I dont like that word. It's wrong to call them that..........Apologize Ag
OK I apologize to anyone that was/is offended by the word "queer".
I've got no problem with homosexuals getting married legaly or religously (I'm not religous myself though). However when it comes to raising children in homosexual marriges then I'm sorry. It's time to round up the locals, break out the pitch forks and burning torches then go on a witch hunt. I'd be at the front of the party lighting the fire and screaming "if god meant it to be he'll save ya from burning alive!". I am however not sorry if anyone is offended by this opinion, I have homosexual friends and have discussed/argued about this before with them. It usualy comes down to me saying "I'm a father and don't believe it would be right to do that to a child" and my friend giving statistics about the stability of gay marriges. Although I wouldn't mind if a couple of lesbians out there wanted to adopt me, any takers ladies? I can do my own ironing and you won't have to bathe me everyday and yes I prefer to be breast fed!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Originally posted by Agricola1 Originally posted by outfctrl Originally posted by Agricola1 Nothing wrong with queers getting married, leaves more rampant totty for us real men!
I dont like that word. It's wrong to call them that..........Apologize Ag OK I apologize to anyone that was/is offended by the word "queer". I've got no problem with homosexuals getting married legaly or religously (I'm not religous myself though). However when it comes to raising children in homosexual marriges then I'm sorry. It's time to round up the locals, break out the pitch forks and burning torches then go on a witch hunt. I'd be at the front of the party lighting the fire and screaming "if god meant it to be he'll save ya from burning alive!". I am however not sorry if anyone is offended by this opinion, I have homosexual friends and have discussed/argued about this before with them. It usualy comes down to me saying "I'm a father and don't believe it would be right to do that to a child" and my friend giving statistics about the stability of gay marriges. Although I wouldn't mind if a couple of lesbians out there wanted to adopt me, any takers ladies? I can do my own ironing and you won't have to bathe me everyday and yes I prefer to be breast fed!
Sounds a little radical to me, but hey, everyone has the right to express their opinions. I do agree about the kids though.
There needs to be a new Paul Revere who comes into Concord or Park Street or wherever the fuck he gave his announcementt, riding in a Ford pickup, and be like,
"THE QUEERS ARE COMING, THE QUEERS ARE COMING"
Cryomatrix
Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
Unitarian Universalist -- A liberal and diverse religious organization comprised of mostly atheists (or non-theists), agnostics, Humanists, liberal Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Neopagans, etc.
OMG....youi have to be kidding me!!!!
LEts make another religion or two
and another and another...just to suit the situation.ROFL!!!!!!!!
*COUGH* go away
Thanks for dissing my church and my religion.
FYI, my grandparents, parents, myself, and most of my family are all members of the Unitarian Church. I don't know why you feel justified in putting us down but I'll keep that in mind in further conversations we have. I have read a lot of your posts and thought you were a pretty decent person up until now. Seriously, I didn't expect that from you.
I will try to keep my cool here and just invite you to read about the history of the Unitarian Church. I understand that most people don't understand it because I have to explain it a lot of times. But I rarely ever come up against someone who makes comments like yours. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about us.
Unitarian Universalist -- A liberal and diverse religious organization comprised of mostly atheists (or non-theists), agnostics, Humanists, liberal Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Neopagans, etc.
OMG....youi have to be kidding me!!!!
LEts make another religion or two
and another and another...just to suit the situation.ROFL!!!!!!!!
*COUGH* go away
Thanks for dissing my church and my religion.
FYI, my grandparents, parents, myself, and most of my family are all members of the Unitarian Church. I don't know why you feel justified in putting us down but I'll keep that in mind in further conversations we have. I have read a lot of your posts and thought you were a pretty decent person up until now. Seriously, I didn't expect that from you.
I will try to keep my cool here and just invite you to read about the history of the Unitarian Church. I understand that most people don't understand it because I have to explain it a lot of times. But I rarely ever come up against someone who makes comments like yours. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about us. You're from Dallas too Reavo. Which Unitarian church do you go to? There is a big one down the street from my house. Just curious if you go there.
Unitarian Universalist -- A liberal and diverse religious organization comprised of mostly atheists (or non-theists), agnostics, Humanists, liberal Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Neopagans, etc.
OMG....youi have to be kidding me!!!!
LEts make another religion or two
and another and another...just to suit the situation.ROFL!!!!!!!!
*COUGH* go away
Thanks for dissing my church and my religion.
FYI, my grandparents, parents, myself, and most of my family are all members of the Unitarian Church. I don't know why you feel justified in putting us down but I'll keep that in mind in further conversations we have. I have read a lot of your posts and thought you were a pretty decent person up until now. Seriously, I didn't expect that from you.
I will try to keep my cool here and just invite you to read about the history of the Unitarian Church. I understand that most people don't understand it because I have to explain it a lot of times. But I rarely ever come up against someone who makes comments like yours. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about us.
I'm sorry, I just had to see if this is what reavo was really saying. Considering he contiually "disses" Christianity and Creationism. Tell me reavo, why do you feel justified in putting down someone elses beliefs when you get upset if someone does it to your beliefs? Is it just that you can't stand your own medicine?
The irony is astounding.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Unitarian Universalist -- A liberal and diverse religious organization comprised of mostly atheists (or non-theists), agnostics, Humanists, liberal Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Neopagans, etc.
OMG....youi have to be kidding me!!!!
LEts make another religion or two
and another and another...just to suit the situation.ROFL!!!!!!!!
*COUGH* go away
Thanks for dissing my church and my religion.
FYI, my grandparents, parents, myself, and most of my family are all members of the Unitarian Church. I don't know why you feel justified in putting us down but I'll keep that in mind in further conversations we have. I have read a lot of your posts and thought you were a pretty decent person up until now. Seriously, I didn't expect that from you.
I will try to keep my cool here and just invite you to read about the history of the Unitarian Church. I understand that most people don't understand it because I have to explain it a lot of times. But I rarely ever come up against someone who makes comments like yours. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about us.
I'm sorry, I just had to see if this is what reavo was really saying. Considering he contiually "disses" Christianity and Creationism. Tell me reavo, why do you feel justified in putting down someone elses beliefs when you get upset if someone does it to your beliefs? Is it just that you can't stand your own medicine?
The irony is astounding.
Heh, I await the bullshit excuse with giddy anticipation. reavo, I don't care if you want to bash on Christianity and devote thread to attempts of yours to find inconsistancies in our beliefs, but if you're going to do that, don't get all up in a huff when someone does it right back at you.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
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I agree. We should keep the government out of it and keep it as a Religious matter. We wouldnt have an issue, would we.
Let the people decide. What would be the answer? No Gay marriage. but no, the liberal judges have to step in and open a can of worms.
Leave marriage the way it is. One Man and one woman. The secular progressives are demoralizing society.
You contradicted yourself on that statement. Don't do that, it's confusing.You said we should keep the government out of marriage and keep it as a religious matter. That I agree with. But then you go on to say that we should leave marriage the way it is, one man and one woman. That's where you lost me.
You are aware that there are religions in this country that say gay marriage is fine and are ready to perform the ceremonies and recognize the commitment made by two people of the same sex?
Unitarian/Universalists <--- One example
So, what are you saying? Is it a religious matter only for the religions you agree are right? Or are you saying that it is a religious matter that the government should stay out of and let the people fall into their respective churches to be left alone by the government?
If you read some of my other posts, you would see how it affects everyone, even children.
A new definition of marriage that includes same-sex marriage is fundamentally flawed because it attempts to disconnect the natural link between marriage and procreation. History and nature instruct us that marriage is the proper setting for parenthood. Although not all heterosexual couples are able to procreate, this ability is structurally missing from the homosexual relationship. The homosexual relationship precludes any chance of procreation.
The Netherlands provides a good example of what happens when the natural link is torn apart. The Netherlands officially recognized same-sex marriage in 2000, but started moving in the direction of acceptance in the late 1980s. Since then, out-of-wedlock births have skyrocketed to the point where most adults don’t even bother getting married and children often grow up in unstable families, without married parents. In the Netherlands, the acceptance of gay marriage signified the destruction and abolition of marriage as the socially preferred setting for parenthood. Along with the demise of the institutions of marriage and parenthood, the Netherlands, and other Western countries with similar policies, have witnessed the acceptance and implementation of astonishingly liberal policies on abortion, cloning, and other bioethics issues, and the loss of their religious identity. In fact, 75 percent of Dutch under the age of 35 claim no religious affiliation. We have no reason to think this won’t happen in the United States. The relationship between the cheapening of the institution of marriage and the demise of a country’s culture is too strong to ignore.
The institution of marriage is the fundamental center of our society and civilization. Not only is marriage a contract, but also a social estate, subject to state laws of property, inheritance, and to the expectations of the local community; a spiritual association, subject to the creed and canons of a religious community; and most fundamentally, a natural institution, subject to the natural laws taught by reason and conscience, nature and custom. Marriage is a social institution older than the nation-state, contract law, Christianity, or any known institution.
You're applying a fallacious argument here to derive your "truth".Just because one thing happens does not automatically correlate something else occurring as it's consequence. Even if they occur in tandem through time it doesn't force a correlation.
Your argument is that gay marriage causes a breakdown of heterosexual marriage. Yet you bring two things to the table that you can't prove are corrollary. If you're going to try to prove that two things happen with a critical dependency, then you've got to be able to bring proof of that link to the argument. Otherwise it's just hearsay.
See, I'll punch a hole in your argument right now using your logic with this statement...
Ever since the increase in heterosexual divorce rates there has been an increase in the demand for homosexual marriage. Therefore, I conclude that it's the fault of heterosexuals that homosexuals are demanding gay marriage.
Does that sound like a good argument to you? It should if you hold fast to your logic.
Actually no, you twist words so they suit your purpose. It's not that I want to keep marriage the way it is because it excludes people, as much as you'd like that to be. I want to keep marriage the way it is because it's a tradition, because that's the way it's always been, and it's the way it always should be. I will not stand for the bastardization of marriage just because gay people decide they should have it their way.
When we change our traditions we lose the connection to who we are, who we were, and who our ancestors were. Just look at Christmas., or Easter.
Perhaps next time you should read entire posts instead of just playing with your highlighter. For example, read the rest of the paragraph before the part you picked on.
Are you trying to claim that you did NOT say "Well hey, if everyone can just marry these days, then my marriage just doesn't matter anymore", because that is EXACTLY what you said. Tradition or no tradition, Marriage also has benefits. And equal rights > Tradition any time of the day. Also, allow homosexuals doesn't change anything for you. it doesn't affect you in any way or form.I mean, imo, all those opposed to homosexuality are like children. "We came up with a new game, and YOUR not allowed to play with us, nananana"
Who we were? who our ancestors were? Our ancestors were people that were less advanced then us. With diffrent idea's and diffrent value's. They should be noted, but not be taken as a big example.
Once again you appear to have blinders on. Read the paragraph. Reading comprehension is your friend. What you think I said and what I said are two different things. It's the sign of a weak mind when you fixate solely on one small part of the argument in order to try and discount the rest.
Here, I'll copy it again so you can read the whole thing.
Part of what marriage is about is Tradition. Marriage has always been between 1 man and 1 woman. Anything else is breaking the tradition. It's about more than just legal status and so forth. Changing the tradition of marriage will make marriage less meaningful. If anyone can get married to anyone, then marriage doesn't matter anymore, and that's not something I will stand for.
When you bastardize the tradition, you take away its meaning. Look at Easter, why is Easter a holiday? It's not cause we all have some incredible urge to hide some eggs. Preserving our traditions is part of preserving our culture and heritage. When you lose that, you lose the core of where you came from. It sounds like you don't care about any of that, for which I pity you.
I find your comments about childish behaviour rather ironic, as you seem to be trying to insult everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. Before you get the urge to once again fixate on something, read the entire post again please. I would hate for you to once again take something out of context. If you just can't let the little things go, feel free to move on. I don't want to have to spend another post outlining things for you.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
OMG....youi have to be kidding me!!!!
LEts make another religion or two
and another and another...just to suit the situation.ROFL!!!!!!!!
*COUGH* go away
Know why?
THE PEOPLE DONT WANT IT BECAUSE IT IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually no, you twist words so they suit your purpose. It's not that I want to keep marriage the way it is because it excludes people, as much as you'd like that to be. I want to keep marriage the way it is because it's a tradition, because that's the way it's always been, and it's the way it always should be. I will not stand for the bastardization of marriage just because gay people decide they should have it their way.
When we change our traditions we lose the connection to who we are, who we were, and who our ancestors were. Just look at Christmas., or Easter.
Perhaps next time you should read entire posts instead of just playing with your highlighter. For example, read the rest of the paragraph before the part you picked on.
Are you trying to claim that you did NOT say "Well hey, if everyone can just marry these days, then my marriage just doesn't matter anymore", because that is EXACTLY what you said. Tradition or no tradition, Marriage also has benefits. And equal rights > Tradition any time of the day. Also, allow homosexuals doesn't change anything for you. it doesn't affect you in any way or form.I mean, imo, all those opposed to homosexuality are like children. "We came up with a new game, and YOUR not allowed to play with us, nananana"
Who we were? who our ancestors were? Our ancestors were people that were less advanced then us. With diffrent idea's and diffrent value's. They should be noted, but not be taken as a big example.
Once again you appear to have blinders on. Read the paragraph. Reading comprehension is your friend. What you think I said and what I said are two different things. It's the sign of a weak mind when you fixate solely on one small part of the argument in order to try and discount the rest.
Here, I'll copy it again so you can read the whole thing.
Part of what marriage is about is Tradition. Marriage has always been between 1 man and 1 woman. Anything else is breaking the tradition. It's about more than just legal status and so forth. Changing the tradition of marriage will make marriage less meaningful. If anyone can get married to anyone, then marriage doesn't matter anymore, and that's not something I will stand for.
When you bastardize the tradition, you take away its meaning. Look at Easter, why is Easter a holiday? It's not cause we all have some incredible urge to hide some eggs. Preserving our traditions is part of preserving our culture and heritage. When you lose that, you lose the core of where you came from. It sounds like you don't care about any of that, for which I pity you.
I find your comments about childish behaviour rather ironic, as you seem to be trying to insult everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. Before you get the urge to once again fixate on something, read the entire post again please. I would hate for you to once again take something out of context. If you just can't let the little things go, feel free to move on. I don't want to have to spend another post outlining things for you.
And where exactly did I insult anyone in this thread? Oh thats right, I didn't. It also seems that your mixing up your own post, don't do that again. I did fully understand what you were saying, but I get a feeling that its you that is missing the point I made, not the other way around.Know why?
THE PEOPLE DONT WANT IT BECAUSE IT IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So because a lot of people say it, its suddenly right? Hundreds of years ago, Most people thought the world was flat.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.
But you are the only person who is childish enough to do such a thing.
Lies! I posess a most infantile sense of humor, unfortunately, that sense of humor does not extend to creating extra accounts to berade someone, no matter how much I disagree with your views and opinions.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Woot, I'm from Massachusetts
Go Go Gay marriage. Well not really, i just don't care.
Basically, I could care less about gay marriage for the following reason.
1. People are going to get together, live together and what not, if they allow same sex marriage, the only difference is, that gay couples will now get a tax break or whatever benefits married couples get. People will still do whatever they feel like doing, they will basically be gay and act married.
To put it in a different form.
10 years from now, Adam and Steve will be living together, doing the nasty together, and perhaps raising up some kid or another and being the parents and guardians. Either they will have some silly certificate saying they're married or they won't. Either way, it won't make a difference. Thus I dont' care about gay marriage or not. Many heterosexual couples are eschewing the institution of marriage as it is now. It's already meaningless in the US where the divorce rate is 50%. I truly don't even know why people bother to get married if they're just going to get divorced half the time. I wonder what % of people cheat on their spouses. Another sign of eroding values of marriage.
Anyway, the argument of why would you ban something that wont' affect heteros but would make homos happy is a sometimes a good argument, but what happens down the line if some dude is like, let me marry 20 wives, if they agree to it and it makes eveyrone happy then why not? If it makes me happy and doesn't hurt anyone else than why not. You can pretty much legalize everything on that argument.
Also, anyone know how i can't login using firefox but i can login like 50% using internet explorer?
Cryomatrix
P.S. My first day at college in a liberal Northeast School i saw a sign on a walk way, it read, "You're here, you're queer, now what?" LOL.
It was from the LBGTQ group or something supposedly it stood for Lesbian, bisexual, Gay, transgender, and queer or something like that. Also, there's like a queer and/or diversity seat in the student council, and someone ran with the platform to abolish the seat he was running for. He lost though, but it was funny.
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
I find your comments about childish behaviour rather ironic, as you seem to be trying to insult everyone who doesn't share your viewpoint.
And where exactly did I insult anyone in this thread? Oh thats right, I didn't. It also seems that your mixing up your own post, don't do that again. I did fully understand what you were saying, but I get a feeling that its you that is missing the point I made, not the other way around.There, I made it simple for you. But once again you've simply fixated on one thing and ignored any argument against you. Trying to have a conversation with you seems like a waste of time.
"You lose, good day sir" - Willy Wonka
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
OK I apologize to anyone that was/is offended by the word "queer".
I've got no problem with homosexuals getting married legaly or religously (I'm not religous myself though). However when it comes to raising children in homosexual marriges then I'm sorry. It's time to round up the locals, break out the pitch forks and burning torches then go on a witch hunt. I'd be at the front of the party lighting the fire and screaming "if god meant it to be he'll save ya from burning alive!". I am however not sorry if anyone is offended by this opinion, I have homosexual friends and have discussed/argued about this before with them. It usualy comes down to me saying "I'm a father and don't believe it would be right to do that to a child" and my friend giving statistics about the stability of gay marriges. Although I wouldn't mind if a couple of lesbians out there wanted to adopt me, any takers ladies? I can do my own ironing and you won't have to bathe me everyday and yes I prefer to be breast fed!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
OK I apologize to anyone that was/is offended by the word "queer".
I've got no problem with homosexuals getting married legaly or religously (I'm not religous myself though). However when it comes to raising children in homosexual marriges then I'm sorry. It's time to round up the locals, break out the pitch forks and burning torches then go on a witch hunt. I'd be at the front of the party lighting the fire and screaming "if god meant it to be he'll save ya from burning alive!". I am however not sorry if anyone is offended by this opinion, I have homosexual friends and have discussed/argued about this before with them. It usualy comes down to me saying "I'm a father and don't believe it would be right to do that to a child" and my friend giving statistics about the stability of gay marriges. Although I wouldn't mind if a couple of lesbians out there wanted to adopt me, any takers ladies? I can do my own ironing and you won't have to bathe me everyday and yes I prefer to be breast fed!
Sounds a little radical to me, but hey, everyone has the right to express their opinions. I do agree about the kids though.
"THE QUEERS ARE COMING, THE QUEERS ARE COMING"
Cryomatrix
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
OMG....youi have to be kidding me!!!!
LEts make another religion or two
and another and another...just to suit the situation.ROFL!!!!!!!!
*COUGH* go away
Thanks for dissing my church and my religion.FYI, my grandparents, parents, myself, and most of my family are all members of the Unitarian Church. I don't know why you feel justified in putting us down but I'll keep that in mind in further conversations we have. I have read a lot of your posts and thought you were a pretty decent person up until now. Seriously, I didn't expect that from you.
I will try to keep my cool here and just invite you to read about the history of the Unitarian Church. I understand that most people don't understand it because I have to explain it a lot of times. But I rarely ever come up against someone who makes comments like yours. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about us.
OMG....youi have to be kidding me!!!!
LEts make another religion or two
and another and another...just to suit the situation.ROFL!!!!!!!!
*COUGH* go away
Thanks for dissing my church and my religion.FYI, my grandparents, parents, myself, and most of my family are all members of the Unitarian Church. I don't know why you feel justified in putting us down but I'll keep that in mind in further conversations we have. I have read a lot of your posts and thought you were a pretty decent person up until now. Seriously, I didn't expect that from you.
I will try to keep my cool here and just invite you to read about the history of the Unitarian Church. I understand that most people don't understand it because I have to explain it a lot of times. But I rarely ever come up against someone who makes comments like yours. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about us. You're from Dallas too Reavo. Which Unitarian church do you go to? There is a big one down the street from my house. Just curious if you go there.
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OMG....youi have to be kidding me!!!!
LEts make another religion or two
and another and another...just to suit the situation.ROFL!!!!!!!!
*COUGH* go away
Thanks for dissing my church and my religion.FYI, my grandparents, parents, myself, and most of my family are all members of the Unitarian Church. I don't know why you feel justified in putting us down but I'll keep that in mind in further conversations we have. I have read a lot of your posts and thought you were a pretty decent person up until now. Seriously, I didn't expect that from you.
I will try to keep my cool here and just invite you to read about the history of the Unitarian Church. I understand that most people don't understand it because I have to explain it a lot of times. But I rarely ever come up against someone who makes comments like yours. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about us.
I'm sorry, I just had to see if this is what reavo was really saying. Considering he contiually "disses" Christianity and Creationism. Tell me reavo, why do you feel justified in putting down someone elses beliefs when you get upset if someone does it to your beliefs? Is it just that you can't stand your own medicine?
The irony is astounding.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
OMG....youi have to be kidding me!!!!
LEts make another religion or two
and another and another...just to suit the situation.ROFL!!!!!!!!
*COUGH* go away
Thanks for dissing my church and my religion.FYI, my grandparents, parents, myself, and most of my family are all members of the Unitarian Church. I don't know why you feel justified in putting us down but I'll keep that in mind in further conversations we have. I have read a lot of your posts and thought you were a pretty decent person up until now. Seriously, I didn't expect that from you.
I will try to keep my cool here and just invite you to read about the history of the Unitarian Church. I understand that most people don't understand it because I have to explain it a lot of times. But I rarely ever come up against someone who makes comments like yours. I'm sorry you feel the way you do about us.
I'm sorry, I just had to see if this is what reavo was really saying. Considering he contiually "disses" Christianity and Creationism. Tell me reavo, why do you feel justified in putting down someone elses beliefs when you get upset if someone does it to your beliefs? Is it just that you can't stand your own medicine?
The irony is astounding.
Heh, I await the bullshit excuse with giddy anticipation. reavo, I don't care if you want to bash on Christianity and devote thread to attempts of yours to find inconsistancies in our beliefs, but if you're going to do that, don't get all up in a huff when someone does it right back at you.Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.