WoW is like Microsoft. They can only grow for so long before it caps out. There are finite resources in the world.
Very true !
Oh and btw gameloading honest question are you going to even give any other MMO's a chance or you just going to be a WoW fanboy ?
P.S. Adythiel what is your avatar reminds me of Alaitoc Eldar. Yes, in fact, I'm very looking forward to Granado Espada, Aion, Ragnarok 2: Gate of the world, WAR and Age of Conan.
I do have to say you make me chuckle, I'm glad I'm now aware of this rule:
Not agreeing WAR will be the next biggestt thing with over 1 million subscribers = WoW fanboi. no other explenation. I would like to point at that i never said WAR would be the next biggest but it not getting at least 1 million subscribers is a bit asinine thinking. I do wish WAR would get WoW numbers and it MIGHT but we do not know. As far WoW we know it will fail in at least 2.5 years time. That is not speculation that is fact only thing you can really argue now is if it will fail sooner or later then that. I honestly doubt it will, but i hope it does.
Before you call me a WAR fanboy. I would like to point out that i was a huge Warcraft fanboy since warcraft 2 and have been one up until 3 months ago when my love of warcraft finally died. And why is it Asine thinking? No other MMORPG then WoW ever made it to 1 million subscribers in the west. No other, not a single one.
By fail I honnestly hope you mean a decline in subscribers and not the death of WoW, because that would be pure ignorance. if a game like UO which peaked at 250k can stay alive for 10 years, then god knows how long a game which reached 8,5 million subscribers stays with us.
Originally posted by whitedelight
So striving for perfection is bad and just passing is good? That is a piss poor attitude. You must work for SOE.
Sorry for asking, but is there anything usefull your going to add to this debate then silly comments? I never said Striving for Perfection is something bad, but not being happy with 76, which is a good score, is an attitude I would NEVER even want to have..
Gameloading, are you an underachiver? If I had a rating of 74% on anything I did for work or scored a 74% on a test, I screwed up. A 74% is barely above average. That's hardly good. Barely passing isn't something to strive for. It means you didn't do well enough to be at a level to compete. It's that attitude that says it's ok to release a game bugged and not ready for release. It's that attitude that told SOE Vanguard was ready to be sold, regardless of how well the game functioned. It's the reason game developers have the release now, patch later mindset. They know people are ok with a 74% rated game and they will dump money into it. By supporting that, you are saying it's ok for them to release unfinished games. Ah, very nice do you play Table top ?
I myself play Dark Elves and am eagerly waiting some information on the Elves !!
Ok back to topic. I would like to point out that the 74% rating really isn't good and since most sites or magazines that rate something are international or capable of being seen internationally a 1-10 scale pretty much says 1-5 sucks 6-7 niche game or was released to early or buggy or lacking content, 8-10 very good to excellent games.
Comparing a 3 year old game to a new game with a billion dollar company behind it is not a valid argument. Not to mention the that the market was MUCH different when DAoC was released, the entire MMO market at the time wasn't as big as 10-20% of WoW's current population. That's my point, they hasn't been a major PvP game released in this new market and with EA and a huge IP with tons of fans around the world behind it there's no doubt in my mind WAR will be the next big thing. If you can't see that your a fool.
Tons of money + IP + Fanbase= WoW
=
EA + Warhammer IP + DAoC/Warhammers fans = I think you can figure that one out.
Exactly, WOW population, not general mmorpg population. EA? EA MMORPG name recognition together with WARHAMMER fantasy is not enough to bring an mmorpg to be successfull. EA has is running Ultima Online with a low subscriber base of less then 100k subscribers, EA has the Sims Online holds a PATHETIC amount of subscribers. EA has canceled 2 or 3 Ultima Online sequels because it would alienate the current Ultima Online playerbase, and EA has canceled Motor City Online and Earth & Beyond. you know what was intresting of E&B? The game died because of a lack of advertising. so don't get your hopes up for a massive advertisement campaing either.
Ex - DAOC, Warhammer fans that are intro pc gaming and actually intrested in paying 15$ a month for an MMORPG, let alone be intrested in MMO's at all, + newcommers, I'd say 150k ~ 250k subscribers.
But hey, your right man. your totally right. the market was very diffrent then. Back then, Most mmorpg's could get above the 250k subscriber base. Ultima online 250k, Everquest 400k, UO 250k, FFXI 300k.
and now, games are actually struggling just to reach the 200k subscribers! so this totally hints that there is room for another game to have 1 million subscriber, competing with Age of Conan, Aion, and the other 2007 releases at the same time...not
I'm sure the quality of the recently released games has nothing to do with there low sub numbers. Please next time you have a thought think about it, stop pulling rumbers out of your ass they are not facts. It's sad these games are even being released, go back 3 or 4 years and these games would have never made it off the ground.
Yeah bud your right because of the crap being feed to gamers right now there is room for a GOOD game to grab some massive numbers.
btw I loved how you pulled those Ex-DAoC, Warhammer fan numbers out of your ass though. /golf clap
Even adding those two together only puts Vivendi at 660 million Euros. That gives us $865,986,034.8480. Quite short of the $2.951 billion EA Games reported.
Your conclusion here is off. First off 3rd quarter earnings are included in the first 9months. So you are missing 4th quarter? Also you are comparing an annual release to a 9mo release.
Here are some better links to easier understand info.
Vivendi (BLIZZARD PARENT COMPANY) Skip past all the confusing before tax stuff and get to yearly revenues in APPENDIX III and APPENDIX IV. <a href="http://www.vivendi.com/ir/download/pdf/PR070307 R
Comparing a 3 year old game to a new game with a billion dollar company behind it is not a valid argument. Not to mention the that the market was MUCH different when DAoC was released, the entire MMO market at the time wasn't as big as 10-20% of WoW's current population. That's my point, they hasn't been a major PvP game released in this new market and with EA and a huge IP with tons of fans around the world behind it there's no doubt in my mind WAR will be the next big thing. If you can't see that your a fool.
Tons of money + IP + Fanbase= WoW
=
EA + Warhammer IP + DAoC/Warhammers fans = I think you can figure that one out.
Exactly, WOW population, not general mmorpg population. EA? EA MMORPG name recognition together with WARHAMMER fantasy is not enough to bring an mmorpg to be successfull. EA has is running Ultima Online with a low subscriber base of less then 100k subscribers, EA has the Sims Online holds a PATHETIC amount of subscribers. EA has canceled 2 or 3 Ultima Online sequels because it would alienate the current Ultima Online playerbase, and EA has canceled Motor City Online and Earth & Beyond. you know what was intresting of E&B? The game died because of a lack of advertising. so don't get your hopes up for a massive advertisement campaing either.
Ex - DAOC, Warhammer fans that are intro pc gaming and actually intrested in paying 15$ a month for an MMORPG, let alone be intrested in MMO's at all, + newcommers, I'd say 150k ~ 250k subscribers.
But hey, your right man. your totally right. the market was very diffrent then. Back then, Most mmorpg's could get above the 250k subscriber base. Ultima online 250k, Everquest 400k, UO 250k, FFXI 300k.
and now, games are actually struggling just to reach the 200k subscribers! so this totally hints that there is room for another game to have 1 million subscriber, competing with Age of Conan, Aion, and the other 2007 releases at the same time...not
I'm sure the quality of the recently released games has nothing to do with there low sub numbers. Please next time you have a thought think about it, stop pulling rumbers out of your ass they are not facts. It's sad these games are even being released, go back 3 or 4 years and these games would have never made it off the ground.
Yeah bud your right because of the crap being feed to gamers right now there is room for a GOOD game to grab some massive numbers.
btw I loved how you pulled those Ex-DAoC, Warhammer fan numbers out of your ass though. /golf clap The only numbers I made up is the possible Warhammer online playerbase. all the other games are factual subscriber base, look it up if you don't believe. But ofcourse, suggesting 1 million subscribers is completely acceptable, because everyone knows that its completely normal for an MMORPG to reach 1 million subscribers
"I'd rather be an under-achiever than somebody who is unhappy until he gets 90% on a test"?
That is horrible. I can't believe you just said that, and at the moment I had a little respect for you but now I am going to have to admit you lost it. So you are okay that SOE released Vanguard in a POS state?
You would be okay getting Ds your whole life and going to a crap college rather than go to a place where your good grades got you a nice school. The nice school then turns into a nice job, and nice job leads to a nice life?
I am in shock somebody seriously admits they would rather be an underachiever.
Even adding those two together only puts Vivendi at 660 million Euros. That gives us $865,986,034.8480. Quite short of the $2.951 billion EA Games reported.
Your conclusion here is off. First off 3rd quarter earnings are included in the first 9months. So you are missing 4th quarter? Also you are comparing an annual release to a 9mo release.
Here are some better links to easier understand info.
Vivendi (BLIZZARD PARENT COMPANY) Skip past all the confusing before tax stuff and get to yearly revenues in APPENDIX III and APPENDIX IV. <a href="http://www.vivendi.com/ir/download/pdf/PR070307 R
I am not even going to bother to write a detailed response to that. you simply refuse to carefully read my posts.
We can continue this debate once you are prepared to fully read my posts so you will understand my standpoints.
I have read your posts. They are not valid when concerning EA. EA's past experiences with a MMO have nothing to do with WAR. WAR is a new IP with a new developer working on it. It is not being designed by the team that made Earth and Beyond or any other MMO that EA has had previously. So now that we have established that we can get off of this Blizzard is somehow better then EA when it comes to providing the money and advertising and developer name behind the product.
Your posts in response to my quality remarks are also flawed, by your idea that a 76% is a good score. I am sorry that you think it is a good score, but it is not. Here is an example:
TO get accepted to the Nursing Program at University of South Florida (which is a State University)
Freshman Admission - H.S. to B.S.
This option is for students who are interested in declaring a nursing major upon admission to the University of South Florida. High school graduates who earned a minimum 3.6 GPA, and an ACT score of 28 or SAT score of 1200, will be admitted to the College of Nursing with a guaranteed place in the nursing sequence provided they maintain the stated program requirements. Upon completion of the nursing program, graduates are eligible for registered nurse licensure.
Program Requirements:
Have a minimum high school GPA of 3.6
Have a minimum 1200 SAT score or 28 ACT score
Maintain a 3.5 overall GPA on all undergraduate coursework while at USF
Earn a B or better in each prerequisite course
So you must of maintained a 3.6 on a 4.0 scale which is 90% So tell me again how 76% is good?
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
"I'd rather be an under-achiever than somebody who is unhappy until he gets 90% on a test"? That is horrible. I can't believe you just said that, and at the moment I had a little respect for you but now I am going to have to admit you lost it. So you are okay that SOE released Vanguard in a POS state? You would be okay getting Ds your whole life and going to a crap college rather than go to a place where your good grades got you a nice school. The nice school then turns into a nice job, and nice job leads to a nice life? I am in shock somebody seriously admits they would rather be an underachiever.
awww...damnit, Arkane doesn't respect me anymore...
On a serious note, I would love to get a 7,6 for my grades back high school, no problem. As I explained already, over here, the minimum score is 6. 7,6 means 1,6 overpoints. I would be very satisfied with that, especialy if I get that for each class.
I myself play Dark Elves and am eagerly waiting some information on the Elves !!
Ok back to topic. I would like to point out that the 74% rating really isn't good and since most sites or magazines that rate something are international or capable of being seen internationally a 1-10 scale pretty much says 1-5 sucks 6-7 niche game or was released to early or buggy or lacking content, 8-10 very good to excellent games.
I started back over 10 years ago. Had an ~6000 point High Elf army before the latest edition of the rules. Haven't played for about 4-5 years though. Getting back into it over the next couple months with my brother who is going to play Dwarves. I ordered the High Elven and Dwarf army books last week so they should be here soon, looking forward to playing again under the new rules. They've really streamlined my army for this edition.
Gameloading....that's the exact attitude that has put the gaming industry in the sorry state it exists in right now. It's gotten so bad that now even console games are release now, patch later. SOCOM 2: FTB on my PSP has a patch. Killzone: Liberation has a patch in beta right now. Back in the 90's this attitude was unacceptable. You had one chance to get it right. By saying it's ok to be mediocre, you are just reinforcing this fact. And I can guarantee I was much happier with my 90% tests than you were with your 74%. By striving for perfection, you have more open to you. By saying you are perfectly ok with barely passing, it's sending a message you are lazy and are just fine with barely getting by in all aspects of life.
I want game developers to get back to the mentality that releasing a game that isn't of a high quality is unacceptable.
As a side note....advertising dollars drive many reviews. If you give a game a truly objective review that causes it to have a very low rating, you are saying to people don't play this game. Do you think that publisher will want to advertise it's game with you? You just lost revenue. As such, a lot of reviewers that are funding by advertising will soften their reviews. It's just how business works sometimes.
I'd rather to be underachiver then someone who is unhappy untill he gets at least 90% on his test. I rest my case.
Gameloading your statement doesnt even make sense. Are you seriously trying to look down on someone who is unhappy when they fall below the top 10%? Considering how completely retarded 9 out of 10 people are. I would absolutely be upset if I got put into 70 percentile. But I suppose for people in the lowest percentile, 70% is something they can always dream about?
Comparing a 3 year old game to a new game with a billion dollar company behind it is not a valid argument. Not to mention the that the market was MUCH different when DAoC was released, the entire MMO market at the time wasn't as big as 10-20% of WoW's current population. That's my point, they hasn't been a major PvP game released in this new market and with EA and a huge IP with tons of fans around the world behind it there's no doubt in my mind WAR will be the next big thing. If you can't see that your a fool.
Tons of money + IP + Fanbase= WoW
=
EA + Warhammer IP + DAoC/Warhammers fans = I think you can figure that one out.
Exactly, WOW population, not general mmorpg population. EA? EA MMORPG name recognition together with WARHAMMER fantasy is not enough to bring an mmorpg to be successfull. EA has is running Ultima Online with a low subscriber base of less then 100k subscribers, EA has the Sims Online holds a PATHETIC amount of subscribers. EA has canceled 2 or 3 Ultima Online sequels because it would alienate the current Ultima Online playerbase, and EA has canceled Motor City Online and Earth & Beyond. you know what was intresting of E&B? The game died because of a lack of advertising. so don't get your hopes up for a massive advertisement campaing either.
Ex - DAOC, Warhammer fans that are intro pc gaming and actually intrested in paying 15$ a month for an MMORPG, let alone be intrested in MMO's at all, + newcommers, I'd say 150k ~ 250k subscribers.
But hey, your right man. your totally right. the market was very diffrent then. Back then, Most mmorpg's could get above the 250k subscriber base. Ultima online 250k, Everquest 400k, UO 250k, FFXI 300k.
and now, games are actually struggling just to reach the 200k subscribers! so this totally hints that there is room for another game to have 1 million subscriber, competing with Age of Conan, Aion, and the other 2007 releases at the same time...not
I'm sure the quality of the recently released games has nothing to do with there low sub numbers. Please next time you have a thought think about it, stop pulling rumbers out of your ass they are not facts. It's sad these games are even being released, go back 3 or 4 years and these games would have never made it off the ground.
Yeah bud your right because of the crap being feed to gamers right now there is room for a GOOD game to grab some massive numbers.
btw I loved how you pulled those Ex-DAoC, Warhammer fan numbers out of your ass though. /golf clap The only numbers I made up is the possible Warhammer online playerbase. all the other games are factual subscriber base, look it up if you don't believe. But ofcourse, suggesting 1 million subscribers is completely acceptable, because everyone knows that its completely normal for an MMORPG to reach 1 million subscribers Actually Gameloading FFXI hit over 600K not 300K.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I am not even going to bother to write a detailed response to that. you simply refuse to carefully read my posts.
We can continue this debate once you are prepared to fully read my posts so you will understand my standpoints.
I have read your posts. They are not valid when concerning EA. EA's past experiences with a MMO have nothing to do with WAR. WAR is a new IP with a new developer working on it. It is not being designed by the team that made Earth and Beyond or any other MMO that EA has had previously. So now that we have established that we can get off of this Blizzard is somehow better then EA when it comes to providing the money and advertising and developer name behind the product.
...except that advertisement has nothing to do with the developers...It is still being published by EA, a company with a relative poor history in mmorpg gaming.
Your posts in response to my quality remarks are also flawed, by your idea that a 76% is a good score. I am sorry that you think it is a good score, but it is not. Here is an example:
TO get accepted to the Nursing Program at University of South Florida (which is a State University)
Freshman Admission - H.S. to B.S.
This option is for students who are interested in declaring a nursing major upon admission to the University of South Florida. High school graduates who earned a minimum 3.6 GPA, and an ACT score of 28 or SAT score of 1200, will be admitted to the College of Nursing with a guaranteed place in the nursing sequence provided they maintain the stated program requirements. Upon completion of the nursing program, graduates are eligible for registered nurse licensure.
Program Requirements:
Have a minimum high school GPA of 3.6
Have a minimum 1200 SAT score or 28 ACT score
Maintain a 3.5 overall GPA on all undergraduate coursework while at USF
Earn a B or better in each prerequisite course
So you must of maintained a 3.6 on a 4.0 scale which is 90% So tell me again how 76% is good?
I do not know about any university in the US, as I said, we do things diffrent here.
In fact, I have a better source.
76% is equal to 7.6 on a scale from 1 to 10.
So lets see what one of the most famous review sites thinks of it.
Comparing a 3 year old game to a new game with a billion dollar company behind it is not a valid argument. Not to mention the that the market was MUCH different when DAoC was released, the entire MMO market at the time wasn't as big as 10-20% of WoW's current population. That's my point, they hasn't been a major PvP game released in this new market and with EA and a huge IP with tons of fans around the world behind it there's no doubt in my mind WAR will be the next big thing. If you can't see that your a fool.
Tons of money + IP + Fanbase= WoW
=
EA + Warhammer IP + DAoC/Warhammers fans = I think you can figure that one out.
Exactly, WOW population, not general mmorpg population. EA? EA MMORPG name recognition together with WARHAMMER fantasy is not enough to bring an mmorpg to be successfull. EA has is running Ultima Online with a low subscriber base of less then 100k subscribers, EA has the Sims Online holds a PATHETIC amount of subscribers. EA has canceled 2 or 3 Ultima Online sequels because it would alienate the current Ultima Online playerbase, and EA has canceled Motor City Online and Earth & Beyond. you know what was intresting of E&B? The game died because of a lack of advertising. so don't get your hopes up for a massive advertisement campaing either.
Ex - DAOC, Warhammer fans that are intro pc gaming and actually intrested in paying 15$ a month for an MMORPG, let alone be intrested in MMO's at all, + newcommers, I'd say 150k ~ 250k subscribers.
But hey, your right man. your totally right. the market was very diffrent then. Back then, Most mmorpg's could get above the 250k subscriber base. Ultima online 250k, Everquest 400k, UO 250k, FFXI 300k.
and now, games are actually struggling just to reach the 200k subscribers! so this totally hints that there is room for another game to have 1 million subscriber, competing with Age of Conan, Aion, and the other 2007 releases at the same time...not
I'm sure the quality of the recently released games has nothing to do with there low sub numbers. Please next time you have a thought think about it, stop pulling rumbers out of your ass they are not facts. It's sad these games are even being released, go back 3 or 4 years and these games would have never made it off the ground.
Yeah bud your right because of the crap being feed to gamers right now there is room for a GOOD game to grab some massive numbers.
btw I loved how you pulled those Ex-DAoC, Warhammer fan numbers out of your ass though. /golf clap The only numbers I made up is the possible Warhammer online playerbase. all the other games are factual subscriber base, look it up if you don't believe. But ofcourse, suggesting 1 million subscribers is completely acceptable, because everyone knows that its completely normal for an MMORPG to reach 1 million subscribers Actually Gameloading FFXI hit over 600K not 300K. Its my fault, I made a typo. the correct number is 500k, not 300k. MMOGChart is a bit off at the 600k mark.
Even adding those two together only puts Vivendi at 660 million Euros. That gives us $865,986,034.8480. Quite short of the $2.951 billion EA Games reported.
Your conclusion here is off. First off 3rd quarter earnings are included in the first 9months. So you are missing 4th quarter? Also you are comparing an annual release to a 9mo release.
Here are some better links to easier understand info.
Vivendi (BLIZZARD PARENT COMPANY) Skip past all the confusing before tax stuff and get to yearly revenues in APPENDIX III and APPENDIX IV. <a href="http://www.vivendi.com/ir/download/pdf/PR070307 R
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I'd rather to be underachiver then someone who is unhappy untill he gets at least 90% on his test. I rest my case.
Gameloading your statement doesnt even make sense. Are you seriously trying to look down on someone who is unhappy when they fall below the top 10%? Considering how completely retarded 9 out of 10 people are. I would absolutely be upset if I got put into 70 percentile. But I suppose for people in the lowest percentile, 70% is something they can always dream about? If I received a 7,6 , with the minimum requirement a 6.0, then I would be very satisfied. as i said, I'd rather be someone who has 7,6 then someone who does nothing but study all day to get that "perfect score", or someone who refuses to purchase any game that doesn't have at least 90% score. not for me. I do not look down on them, its just not someone I would want to be.
Even adding those two together only puts Vivendi at 660 million Euros. That gives us $865,986,034.8480. Quite short of the $2.951 billion EA Games reported.
Your conclusion here is off. First off 3rd quarter earnings are included in the first 9months. So you are missing 4th quarter? Also you are comparing an annual release to a 9mo release.
Here are some better links to easier understand info.
Vivendi (BLIZZARD PARENT COMPANY) Skip past all the confusing before tax stuff and get to yearly revenues in APPENDIX III and APPENDIX IV. <a href="http://www.vivendi.com/ir/download/pdf/PR070307 R
I am not even going to bother to write a detailed response to that. you simply refuse to carefully read my posts.
We can continue this debate once you are prepared to fully read my posts so you will understand my standpoints.
I have read your posts. They are not valid when concerning EA. EA's past experiences with a MMO have nothing to do with WAR. WAR is a new IP with a new developer working on it. It is not being designed by the team that made Earth and Beyond or any other MMO that EA has had previously. So now that we have established that we can get off of this Blizzard is somehow better then EA when it comes to providing the money and advertising and developer name behind the product.
...except that advertisement has nothing to do with the developers...It is still being published by EA, a company with a relative poor history in mmorpg gaming.
Your posts in response to my quality remarks are also flawed, by your idea that a 76% is a good score. I am sorry that you think it is a good score, but it is not. Here is an example:
TO get accepted to the Nursing Program at University of South Florida (which is a State University)
Freshman Admission - H.S. to B.S.
This option is for students who are interested in declaring a nursing major upon admission to the University of South Florida. High school graduates who earned a minimum 3.6 GPA, and an ACT score of 28 or SAT score of 1200, will be admitted to the College of Nursing with a guaranteed place in the nursing sequence provided they maintain the stated program requirements. Upon completion of the nursing program, graduates are eligible for registered nurse licensure.
Program Requirements:
Have a minimum high school GPA of 3.6
Have a minimum 1200 SAT score or 28 ACT score
Maintain a 3.5 overall GPA on all undergraduate coursework while at USF
Earn a B or better in each prerequisite course
So you must of maintained a 3.6 on a 4.0 scale which is 90% So tell me again how 76% is good?
I do not know about any university in the US, as I said, we do things diffrent here.
In fact, I have a better source.
76% is equal to 7.6 on a scale from 1 to 10.
So lets see what one of the most famous review sites thinks of it.
The score is 7.5, and in your view, that is a bad score...but Wait! What does it say below the score? gah, it cannot be?
7.5 is considered a GOOD score. wow, will you look at that? Even reviewers consider 7.5 good.
well, I guess thats that. 'enough said. when it comes to games, 7, 6 is a GOOD score.
PC gamers review scores and what they mean:
100% - 90%
EDITORS' CHOICE - We're battening down the hatches and limiting our coveted Editors' Choice award to games that score a 90% or higher. It's not easy to get here, and darn near impossible to get near 100%. Games in this range come with our unqualified recommendation, an unreserved must-buy score.
89% - 80%
EXCELLENT - These are excellent games. Anything that scores in this range is well worth your purchase, and is likely a great example of its genre. This is also a scoring range where we might reward specialist/niche games that are a real breakthrough in their own way.
79% - 70%
GOOD - These are pretty good games that we recommend to fans of the particular genre, though it's a safe bet you can probably find better options.
69% - 60%
ABOVE AVERAGE - Reasonable, above-average games. They might be worth buying, but they probably have a few significant flaws that limit their appeal.
59% - 50%
MERELY OKAY - Very ordinary games. They're not completely worthless, but there are likely numerous better places to spend your gaming dollar.
49% - 40%
TOLERABLE - Poor quality. Only a few slightly redeeming features keep these games from falling into the abyss of the next category.
39% - 0%
DON'T BOTHER - Just terrible. And the lower you go, the more worthless you get. Avoid these titles like the plague, and don't say we didn't warn you!
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Here gameinformer reviews The Burning Crusade at a 9.75/10 or a 97.5/100 for you. Now do you honestly think that only 2.5 % of the game is not perfect? I could think of so many things that they screwed up when the made it. But GameInformer reviews must be the end all right? Because they are paid reviewers right? Nothing subjective there at all. *Rolls eyes*.
I went through about 20 pages of these thread and pretty much the same thing was being said over and over.
I only have one real question for ya Gameloading.
If you decide to try another MMOG, for whatever reason, and you like it better than WoW(or even equal to WoW)?
Would you play it?
Of course this doesn't mean you have to stop playing WoW. I just wondered what your answer would be, then I want you to think about that for a second.
Ofcourse. I'm getting quite sick of this stereotyping. I have played WoW (and Many MMO's before that) , stopped playing WoW because I got tired of it, played a bunch of other MMORPG's, and recently re-activated my WoW account again. Planning on leaving as soon as Granado Espada comes out, which is next month.
To clear it up once and for all:
1: Did you play other MMO's before WoW?
Answer: Yes, I played other MMO's before WoW.
2: Did you ever left WoW?
Answer: Yes, I left a total of 3 times. the longest break was 1 year.
3: Did you play other MMORPG's during that time period?
Answer: Yes
4: Which ones?
Answer: List on the left, with the exception of Second Life and WW2, all of them.
5: Wait, so you played all those MMORPG's, and you do not hate WoW!?
Answer: Correct
6: Impossible!
Answer: No, its true
7: Are you planning to go to other MMORPG's?
Answer: Yes, I am planning to play Granado Espada, Aion, Ragnarok 2, WAR and AoC.
So, any further questions or can we go back on topic?
I am not even going to bother to write a detailed response to that. you simply refuse to carefully read my posts.
We can continue this debate once you are prepared to fully read my posts so you will understand my standpoints.
I have read your posts. They are not valid when concerning EA. EA's past experiences with a MMO have nothing to do with WAR. WAR is a new IP with a new developer working on it. It is not being designed by the team that made Earth and Beyond or any other MMO that EA has had previously. So now that we have established that we can get off of this Blizzard is somehow better then EA when it comes to providing the money and advertising and developer name behind the product.
...except that advertisement has nothing to do with the developers...It is still being published by EA, a company with a relative poor history in mmorpg gaming.
Your posts in response to my quality remarks are also flawed, by your idea that a 76% is a good score. I am sorry that you think it is a good score, but it is not. Here is an example:
TO get accepted to the Nursing Program at University of South Florida (which is a State University)
Freshman Admission - H.S. to B.S.
This option is for students who are interested in declaring a nursing major upon admission to the University of South Florida. High school graduates who earned a minimum 3.6 GPA, and an ACT score of 28 or SAT score of 1200, will be admitted to the College of Nursing with a guaranteed place in the nursing sequence provided they maintain the stated program requirements. Upon completion of the nursing program, graduates are eligible for registered nurse licensure.
Program Requirements:
Have a minimum high school GPA of 3.6
Have a minimum 1200 SAT score or 28 ACT score
Maintain a 3.5 overall GPA on all undergraduate coursework while at USF
Earn a B or better in each prerequisite course
So you must of maintained a 3.6 on a 4.0 scale which is 90% So tell me again how 76% is good?
I do not know about any university in the US, as I said, we do things diffrent here.
In fact, I have a better source.
76% is equal to 7.6 on a scale from 1 to 10.
So lets see what one of the most famous review sites thinks of it.
Originally posted by FireDart Your conclusion here is off. First off 3rd quarter earnings are included in the first 9months. So you are missing 4th quarter? Also you are comparing an annual release to a 9mo release. Here are some better links to easier understand info. Vivendi (BLIZZARD PARENT COMPANY) Skip past all the confusing before tax stuff and get to yearly revenues in APPENDIX III and APPENDIX IV. <a href="http://www.vivendi.com/ir/download/pdf/PR070307 R
And if you were going to pay monthly to play the game wouldn't you look for one of those games that was considered better? Of course you would cuz why would you waste your 15 dollars per month playing an inferior game. Reviews with less then Editor's choice hurt a game's ability to sell well.
You don't ever want press below the 85-89% range. It can be a game killer. Same thing in movies. Movie companies will actually make up the people who they quote on the advertisements to get good words out about a movie. It is that important. In the Gaming world companies buy their good reviews.
And you still seem to be missing the point about EA. Lets say instead of EA, Mythic had been bought by McDonalds. And so McDonalds has nothing to do with MMOs at all. But what they can do is infuse mythic with a lot of money. They can also pay to have lots of advertisements. And lastly they can make sure every person that comes to a McDonalds hears about WAR. Every Kids Meal that goes out has something WAR related, etc.
That is what EA provides to the Table and it is what Vivendi did for Blizzard. They are able to get the word out about the product to people that wouldn't go looking for it. See we here are all MMO players. Otherwise we wouldn't be on a board called MMORPG.com. But they don't care about us. They don't need to woo us to their new game, We will most likely try it anyways. That is what we do. We provide them with a nice word of mouth fanbase of the genre. We also provide them with guinea pigs to beta test their software. But where the money is, is out in the non MMO gamers. That is where they want to get people to play. Do you think even if WAR or some other game equaled WoW's current success they would be happy? Do you think Blizzard is happy with where they are at? NO. Of course not everyone wants to improve that is the key to capitalism. And Blizzard (well really Vivendi but they tell Blizzard what to do) and EA are capitalistic companies. They want to make the largest profit they can possibly make. So they will do everything in their power to get the most amount of money.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
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Oh and btw gameloading honest question are you going to even give any other MMO's a chance or you just going to be a WoW fanboy ?
P.S. Adythiel what is your avatar reminds me of Alaitoc Eldar. Yes, in fact, I'm very looking forward to Granado Espada, Aion, Ragnarok 2: Gate of the world, WAR and Age of Conan.
I do have to say you make me chuckle, I'm glad I'm now aware of this rule:
Not agreeing WAR will be the next biggestt thing with over 1 million subscribers = WoW fanboi. no other explenation. I would like to point at that i never said WAR would be the next biggest but it not getting at least 1 million subscribers is a bit asinine thinking. I do wish WAR would get WoW numbers and it MIGHT but we do not know. As far WoW we know it will fail in at least 2.5 years time. That is not speculation that is fact only thing you can really argue now is if it will fail sooner or later then that. I honestly doubt it will, but i hope it does.
Before you call me a WAR fanboy. I would like to point out that i was a huge Warcraft fanboy since warcraft 2 and have been one up until 3 months ago when my love of warcraft finally died. And why is it Asine thinking? No other MMORPG then WoW ever made it to 1 million subscribers in the west. No other, not a single one.
By fail I honnestly hope you mean a decline in subscribers and not the death of WoW, because that would be pure ignorance. if a game like UO which peaked at 250k can stay alive for 10 years, then god knows how long a game which reached 8,5 million subscribers stays with us.
Sorry for asking, but is there anything usefull your going to add to this debate then silly comments? I never said Striving for Perfection is something bad, but not being happy with 76, which is a good score, is an attitude I would NEVER even want to have..
Oh and btw gameloading honest question are you going to even give any other MMO's a chance or you just going to be a WoW fanboy ?
P.S. Adythiel what is your avatar reminds me of Alaitoc Eldar. Here is a link directly to it for you. You are close. http://us.games-workshop.com/games/warhammer/highelves/extras/banners/assets/highelfcolourbannerspage.pdf
Gameloading, are you an underachiver? If I had a rating of 74% on anything I did for work or scored a 74% on a test, I screwed up. A 74% is barely above average. That's hardly good. Barely passing isn't something to strive for. It means you didn't do well enough to be at a level to compete. It's that attitude that says it's ok to release a game bugged and not ready for release. It's that attitude that told SOE Vanguard was ready to be sold, regardless of how well the game functioned. It's the reason game developers have the release now, patch later mindset. They know people are ok with a 74% rated game and they will dump money into it. By supporting that, you are saying it's ok for them to release unfinished games. Ah, very nice do you play Table top ?
I myself play Dark Elves and am eagerly waiting some information on the Elves !!
Ok back to topic. I would like to point out that the 74% rating really isn't good and since most sites or magazines that rate something are international or capable of being seen internationally a 1-10 scale pretty much says 1-5 sucks 6-7 niche game or was released to early or buggy or lacking content, 8-10 very good to excellent games.
Ex - DAOC, Warhammer fans that are intro pc gaming and actually intrested in paying 15$ a month for an MMORPG, let alone be intrested in MMO's at all, + newcommers, I'd say 150k ~ 250k subscribers.
But hey, your right man. your totally right. the market was very diffrent then. Back then, Most mmorpg's could get above the 250k subscriber base. Ultima online 250k, Everquest 400k, UO 250k, FFXI 300k.
and now, games are actually struggling just to reach the 200k subscribers! so this totally hints that there is room for another game to have 1 million subscriber, competing with Age of Conan, Aion, and the other 2007 releases at the same time...not
I'm sure the quality of the recently released games has nothing to do with there low sub numbers. Please next time you have a thought think about it, stop pulling rumbers out of your ass they are not facts. It's sad these games are even being released, go back 3 or 4 years and these games would have never made it off the ground.
Yeah bud your right because of the crap being feed to gamers right now there is room for a GOOD game to grab some massive numbers.
btw I loved how you pulled those Ex-DAoC, Warhammer fan numbers out of your ass though. /golf clap
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Your conclusion here is off. First off 3rd quarter earnings are included in the first 9months. So you are missing 4th quarter? Also you are comparing an annual release to a 9mo release.
Here are some better links to easier understand info.
Vivendi (BLIZZARD PARENT COMPANY) Skip past all the confusing before tax stuff and get to yearly revenues in APPENDIX III and APPENDIX IV. <a href="http://www.vivendi.com/ir/download/pdf/PR070307 R
Ex - DAOC, Warhammer fans that are intro pc gaming and actually intrested in paying 15$ a month for an MMORPG, let alone be intrested in MMO's at all, + newcommers, I'd say 150k ~ 250k subscribers.
But hey, your right man. your totally right. the market was very diffrent then. Back then, Most mmorpg's could get above the 250k subscriber base. Ultima online 250k, Everquest 400k, UO 250k, FFXI 300k.
and now, games are actually struggling just to reach the 200k subscribers! so this totally hints that there is room for another game to have 1 million subscriber, competing with Age of Conan, Aion, and the other 2007 releases at the same time...not
I'm sure the quality of the recently released games has nothing to do with there low sub numbers. Please next time you have a thought think about it, stop pulling rumbers out of your ass they are not facts. It's sad these games are even being released, go back 3 or 4 years and these games would have never made it off the ground.
Yeah bud your right because of the crap being feed to gamers right now there is room for a GOOD game to grab some massive numbers.
btw I loved how you pulled those Ex-DAoC, Warhammer fan numbers out of your ass though. /golf clap The only numbers I made up is the possible Warhammer online playerbase. all the other games are factual subscriber base, look it up if you don't believe. But ofcourse, suggesting 1 million subscribers is completely acceptable, because everyone knows that its completely normal for an MMORPG to reach 1 million subscribers
"I'd rather be an under-achiever than somebody who is unhappy until he gets 90% on a test"?
That is horrible. I can't believe you just said that, and at the moment I had a little respect for you but now I am going to have to admit you lost it. So you are okay that SOE released Vanguard in a POS state?
You would be okay getting Ds your whole life and going to a crap college rather than go to a place where your good grades got you a nice school. The nice school then turns into a nice job, and nice job leads to a nice life?
I am in shock somebody seriously admits they would rather be an underachiever.
Your conclusion here is off. First off 3rd quarter earnings are included in the first 9months. So you are missing 4th quarter? Also you are comparing an annual release to a 9mo release.
Here are some better links to easier understand info.
Vivendi (BLIZZARD PARENT COMPANY) Skip past all the confusing before tax stuff and get to yearly revenues in APPENDIX III and APPENDIX IV. <a href="http://www.vivendi.com/ir/download/pdf/PR070307 R
We can continue this debate once you are prepared to fully read my posts so you will understand my standpoints.
I have read your posts. They are not valid when concerning EA. EA's past experiences with a MMO have nothing to do with WAR. WAR is a new IP with a new developer working on it. It is not being designed by the team that made Earth and Beyond or any other MMO that EA has had previously. So now that we have established that we can get off of this Blizzard is somehow better then EA when it comes to providing the money and advertising and developer name behind the product.
Your posts in response to my quality remarks are also flawed, by your idea that a 76% is a good score. I am sorry that you think it is a good score, but it is not. Here is an example:
TO get accepted to the Nursing Program at University of South Florida (which is a State University)
This option is for students who are interested in declaring a nursing major upon admission to the University of South Florida. High school graduates who earned a minimum 3.6 GPA, and an ACT score of 28 or SAT score of 1200, will be admitted to the College of Nursing with a guaranteed place in the nursing sequence provided they maintain the stated program requirements. Upon completion of the nursing program, graduates are eligible for registered nurse licensure.
So you must of maintained a 3.6 on a 4.0 scale which is 90% So tell me again how 76% is good?
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
On a serious note, I would love to get a 7,6 for my grades back high school, no problem. As I explained already, over here, the minimum score is 6. 7,6 means 1,6 overpoints. I would be very satisfied with that, especialy if I get that for each class.
Gameloading....that's the exact attitude that has put the gaming industry in the sorry state it exists in right now. It's gotten so bad that now even console games are release now, patch later. SOCOM 2: FTB on my PSP has a patch. Killzone: Liberation has a patch in beta right now. Back in the 90's this attitude was unacceptable. You had one chance to get it right. By saying it's ok to be mediocre, you are just reinforcing this fact. And I can guarantee I was much happier with my 90% tests than you were with your 74%. By striving for perfection, you have more open to you. By saying you are perfectly ok with barely passing, it's sending a message you are lazy and are just fine with barely getting by in all aspects of life.
I want game developers to get back to the mentality that releasing a game that isn't of a high quality is unacceptable.
As a side note....advertising dollars drive many reviews. If you give a game a truly objective review that causes it to have a very low rating, you are saying to people don't play this game. Do you think that publisher will want to advertise it's game with you? You just lost revenue. As such, a lot of reviewers that are funding by advertising will soften their reviews. It's just how business works sometimes.
Ex - DAOC, Warhammer fans that are intro pc gaming and actually intrested in paying 15$ a month for an MMORPG, let alone be intrested in MMO's at all, + newcommers, I'd say 150k ~ 250k subscribers.
But hey, your right man. your totally right. the market was very diffrent then. Back then, Most mmorpg's could get above the 250k subscriber base. Ultima online 250k, Everquest 400k, UO 250k, FFXI 300k.
and now, games are actually struggling just to reach the 200k subscribers! so this totally hints that there is room for another game to have 1 million subscriber, competing with Age of Conan, Aion, and the other 2007 releases at the same time...not
I'm sure the quality of the recently released games has nothing to do with there low sub numbers. Please next time you have a thought think about it, stop pulling rumbers out of your ass they are not facts. It's sad these games are even being released, go back 3 or 4 years and these games would have never made it off the ground.
Yeah bud your right because of the crap being feed to gamers right now there is room for a GOOD game to grab some massive numbers.
btw I loved how you pulled those Ex-DAoC, Warhammer fan numbers out of your ass though. /golf clap The only numbers I made up is the possible Warhammer online playerbase. all the other games are factual subscriber base, look it up if you don't believe. But ofcourse, suggesting 1 million subscribers is completely acceptable, because everyone knows that its completely normal for an MMORPG to reach 1 million subscribers
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
We can continue this debate once you are prepared to fully read my posts so you will understand my standpoints.
I have read your posts. They are not valid when concerning EA. EA's past experiences with a MMO have nothing to do with WAR. WAR is a new IP with a new developer working on it. It is not being designed by the team that made Earth and Beyond or any other MMO that EA has had previously. So now that we have established that we can get off of this Blizzard is somehow better then EA when it comes to providing the money and advertising and developer name behind the product.
...except that advertisement has nothing to do with the developers...It is still being published by EA, a company with a relative poor history in mmorpg gaming.
Your posts in response to my quality remarks are also flawed, by your idea that a 76% is a good score. I am sorry that you think it is a good score, but it is not. Here is an example:
TO get accepted to the Nursing Program at University of South Florida (which is a State University)
This option is for students who are interested in declaring a nursing major upon admission to the University of South Florida. High school graduates who earned a minimum 3.6 GPA, and an ACT score of 28 or SAT score of 1200, will be admitted to the College of Nursing with a guaranteed place in the nursing sequence provided they maintain the stated program requirements. Upon completion of the nursing program, graduates are eligible for registered nurse licensure.
So you must of maintained a 3.6 on a 4.0 scale which is 90% So tell me again how 76% is good?
I do not know about any university in the US, as I said, we do things diffrent here.
In fact, I have a better source.
76% is equal to 7.6 on a scale from 1 to 10.
So lets see what one of the most famous review sites thinks of it.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/ddonline/index.html?q=Dungeons Dragons Online
That is the review on the game D&DO
The score is 7.5, and in your view, that is a bad score...but Wait! What does it say below the score? gah, it cannot be?
7.5 is considered a GOOD score. wow, will you look at that? Even reviewers consider 7.5 good.
well, I guess thats that. 'enough said. when it comes to games, 7, 6 is a GOOD score.
Ex - DAOC, Warhammer fans that are intro pc gaming and actually intrested in paying 15$ a month for an MMORPG, let alone be intrested in MMO's at all, + newcommers, I'd say 150k ~ 250k subscribers.
But hey, your right man. your totally right. the market was very diffrent then. Back then, Most mmorpg's could get above the 250k subscriber base. Ultima online 250k, Everquest 400k, UO 250k, FFXI 300k.
and now, games are actually struggling just to reach the 200k subscribers! so this totally hints that there is room for another game to have 1 million subscriber, competing with Age of Conan, Aion, and the other 2007 releases at the same time...not
I'm sure the quality of the recently released games has nothing to do with there low sub numbers. Please next time you have a thought think about it, stop pulling rumbers out of your ass they are not facts. It's sad these games are even being released, go back 3 or 4 years and these games would have never made it off the ground.
Yeah bud your right because of the crap being feed to gamers right now there is room for a GOOD game to grab some massive numbers.
btw I loved how you pulled those Ex-DAoC, Warhammer fan numbers out of your ass though. /golf clap The only numbers I made up is the possible Warhammer online playerbase. all the other games are factual subscriber base, look it up if you don't believe. But ofcourse, suggesting 1 million subscribers is completely acceptable, because everyone knows that its completely normal for an MMORPG to reach 1 million subscribers
Your conclusion here is off. First off 3rd quarter earnings are included in the first 9months. So you are missing 4th quarter? Also you are comparing an annual release to a 9mo release.
Here are some better links to easier understand info.
Vivendi (BLIZZARD PARENT COMPANY) Skip past all the confusing before tax stuff and get to yearly revenues in APPENDIX III and APPENDIX IV. <a href="http://www.vivendi.com/ir/download/pdf/PR070307 R
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
I only have one real question for ya Gameloading.
If you decide to try another MMOG, for whatever reason, and you like it better than WoW(or even equal to WoW)?
Would you play it?
Of course this doesn't mean you have to stop playing WoW. I just wondered what your answer would be, then I want you to think about that for a second.
Your conclusion here is off. First off 3rd quarter earnings are included in the first 9months. So you are missing 4th quarter? Also you are comparing an annual release to a 9mo release.
Here are some better links to easier understand info.
Vivendi (BLIZZARD PARENT COMPANY) Skip past all the confusing before tax stuff and get to yearly revenues in APPENDIX III and APPENDIX IV. <a href="http://www.vivendi.com/ir/download/pdf/PR070307 R
We can continue this debate once you are prepared to fully read my posts so you will understand my standpoints.
I have read your posts. They are not valid when concerning EA. EA's past experiences with a MMO have nothing to do with WAR. WAR is a new IP with a new developer working on it. It is not being designed by the team that made Earth and Beyond or any other MMO that EA has had previously. So now that we have established that we can get off of this Blizzard is somehow better then EA when it comes to providing the money and advertising and developer name behind the product.
...except that advertisement has nothing to do with the developers...It is still being published by EA, a company with a relative poor history in mmorpg gaming.
Your posts in response to my quality remarks are also flawed, by your idea that a 76% is a good score. I am sorry that you think it is a good score, but it is not. Here is an example:
TO get accepted to the Nursing Program at University of South Florida (which is a State University)
This option is for students who are interested in declaring a nursing major upon admission to the University of South Florida. High school graduates who earned a minimum 3.6 GPA, and an ACT score of 28 or SAT score of 1200, will be admitted to the College of Nursing with a guaranteed place in the nursing sequence provided they maintain the stated program requirements. Upon completion of the nursing program, graduates are eligible for registered nurse licensure.
So you must of maintained a 3.6 on a 4.0 scale which is 90% So tell me again how 76% is good?
I do not know about any university in the US, as I said, we do things diffrent here.
In fact, I have a better source.
76% is equal to 7.6 on a scale from 1 to 10.
So lets see what one of the most famous review sites thinks of it.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/ddonline/index.html?q=Dungeons Dragons Online
That is the review on the game D&DO
The score is 7.5, and in your view, that is a bad score...but Wait! What does it say below the score? gah, it cannot be?
7.5 is considered a GOOD score. wow, will you look at that? Even reviewers consider 7.5 good.
well, I guess thats that. 'enough said. when it comes to games, 7, 6 is a GOOD score.
100% - 90%
EDITORS' CHOICE - We're battening down the hatches and limiting our coveted Editors' Choice award to games that score a 90% or higher. It's not easy to get here, and darn near impossible to get near 100%. Games in this range come with our unqualified recommendation, an unreserved must-buy score.
89% - 80%
EXCELLENT - These are excellent games. Anything that scores in this range is well worth your purchase, and is likely a great example of its genre. This is also a scoring range where we might reward specialist/niche games that are a real breakthrough in their own way.
79% - 70%
GOOD - These are pretty good games that we recommend to fans of the particular genre, though it's a safe bet you can probably find better options.
69% - 60%
ABOVE AVERAGE - Reasonable, above-average games. They might be worth buying, but they probably have a few significant flaws that limit their appeal.
59% - 50%
MERELY OKAY - Very ordinary games. They're not completely worthless, but there are likely numerous better places to spend your gaming dollar.
49% - 40%
TOLERABLE - Poor quality. Only a few slightly redeeming features keep these games from falling into the abyss of the next category.
39% - 0%
DON'T BOTHER - Just terrible. And the lower you go, the more worthless you get. Avoid these titles like the plague, and don't say we didn't warn you!
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
To clear it up once and for all:
1: Did you play other MMO's before WoW?
Answer: Yes, I played other MMO's before WoW.
2: Did you ever left WoW?
Answer: Yes, I left a total of 3 times. the longest break was 1 year.
3: Did you play other MMORPG's during that time period?
Answer: Yes
4: Which ones?
Answer: List on the left, with the exception of Second Life and WW2, all of them.
5: Wait, so you played all those MMORPG's, and you do not hate WoW!?
Answer: Correct
6: Impossible!
Answer: No, its true
7: Are you planning to go to other MMORPG's?
Answer: Yes, I am planning to play Granado Espada, Aion, Ragnarok 2, WAR and AoC.
So, any further questions or can we go back on topic?
We can continue this debate once you are prepared to fully read my posts so you will understand my standpoints.
I have read your posts. They are not valid when concerning EA. EA's past experiences with a MMO have nothing to do with WAR. WAR is a new IP with a new developer working on it. It is not being designed by the team that made Earth and Beyond or any other MMO that EA has had previously. So now that we have established that we can get off of this Blizzard is somehow better then EA when it comes to providing the money and advertising and developer name behind the product.
...except that advertisement has nothing to do with the developers...It is still being published by EA, a company with a relative poor history in mmorpg gaming.
Your posts in response to my quality remarks are also flawed, by your idea that a 76% is a good score. I am sorry that you think it is a good score, but it is not. Here is an example:
TO get accepted to the Nursing Program at University of South Florida (which is a State University)
This option is for students who are interested in declaring a nursing major upon admission to the University of South Florida. High school graduates who earned a minimum 3.6 GPA, and an ACT score of 28 or SAT score of 1200, will be admitted to the College of Nursing with a guaranteed place in the nursing sequence provided they maintain the stated program requirements. Upon completion of the nursing program, graduates are eligible for registered nurse licensure.
So you must of maintained a 3.6 on a 4.0 scale which is 90% So tell me again how 76% is good?
I do not know about any university in the US, as I said, we do things diffrent here.
In fact, I have a better source.
76% is equal to 7.6 on a scale from 1 to 10.
So lets see what one of the most famous review sites thinks of it.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/ddonline/index.html?q=Dungeons Dragons Online
That is the review on the game D&DO
The score is 7.5, and in your view, that is a bad score...but Wait! What does it say below the score? gah, it cannot be?
7.5 is considered a GOOD score. wow, will you look at that? Even reviewers consider 7.5 good.
well, I guess thats that. 'enough said. when it comes to games, 7, 6 is a GOOD score.
79% - 70%
GOOD - These are pretty good games that we recommend to fans of the particular genre, though it's a safe bet you can probably find better options.
Exactly my point. ofcourse you will always find games with higher and better score, but that doesn't the games aren't good.
You don't ever want press below the 85-89% range. It can be a game killer. Same thing in movies. Movie companies will actually make up the people who they quote on the advertisements to get good words out about a movie. It is that important. In the Gaming world companies buy their good reviews.
And you still seem to be missing the point about EA. Lets say instead of EA, Mythic had been bought by McDonalds. And so McDonalds has nothing to do with MMOs at all. But what they can do is infuse mythic with a lot of money. They can also pay to have lots of advertisements. And lastly they can make sure every person that comes to a McDonalds hears about WAR. Every Kids Meal that goes out has something WAR related, etc.
That is what EA provides to the Table and it is what Vivendi did for Blizzard. They are able to get the word out about the product to people that wouldn't go looking for it. See we here are all MMO players. Otherwise we wouldn't be on a board called MMORPG.com. But they don't care about us. They don't need to woo us to their new game, We will most likely try it anyways. That is what we do. We provide them with a nice word of mouth fanbase of the genre. We also provide them with guinea pigs to beta test their software. But where the money is, is out in the non MMO gamers. That is where they want to get people to play. Do you think even if WAR or some other game equaled WoW's current success they would be happy? Do you think Blizzard is happy with where they are at? NO. Of course not everyone wants to improve that is the key to capitalism. And Blizzard (well really Vivendi but they tell Blizzard what to do) and EA are capitalistic companies. They want to make the largest profit they can possibly make. So they will do everything in their power to get the most amount of money.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)