With all the new and upcoming MMOs (AoC, LOTRO, Warhammer) current MMOs will have a hard time obtaining new subs, specially those which made a shitty first impression such as Vanguard.
Well, even though I'm a strong supporter of innovation, I've always found that people would rather take a fun, functional re-hash of what's already out there, as opposed to a not-so-functional, experimental title that's lacking in many ways.
This isn't even just for MMO's, but just in general.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
Originally posted by fariic1 Sounds like they released and are hoping for the best.
That's true for any business. Whether or not they make it is another matter entirely.
But again-- if we assume they're broke and can't pay the bills, based solely on the fact they released early due to running out of funds, then at some point, hope has to give way to some sort of realistic perspective. Either Sigil will sell and be absorbed by SOE so they can pay their creditors back and try to keep the game going, or they declare bankruptcy to restructure their debts, and try to ride things out for as long as possible.
If I were a gambling woman, I'd bet on the first option. There's no way Brad wants to see this game fall after all the time and money spent on developing it. Selling to SOE, or having Sigil absorbed whole would be preferable to steadily losing money until the game has to shut down. He's put too much into VG to let it go, so I'd wager that he'd rather find a way to save it.
Some of their games have had issues. That's expected when it's their 2-3rd game that they are attempting to do something different from the ordinary. Vanguard was no rocket science. They used a pre-made engine. They had a HUGGGEEE budget. They had tons of experience. Yet it flopped. Improved over 4 months? NO ONE CARES. I've already explained the rule of FIRST IMPRESSION.
I care. I enjoy the game, and so do others.
Awesome, you're a lucky one then. Even on my high end powerful machine this POS game stuttered or flat out locked up. I ran many many tests and it leaks. BADLY. This probably improved over those 4 months as you said, but as I said. FIRST IMPRESSION.
They fixed the leaks. Your first impression shouldn't deter others from giving the game a shot as it is now.
WTF level are you do? My shaman hit lvl40 and I quit then. I played for 2 months and that was that. Nothing but broken quests or annoying ass bugs such as team disconnecting and several other things. Falling thought the arena. Arena bugging and having to wait for server restart to fix it. There's many more.. the list goes on.. early levels you don't notice to many, but they are there. High end is what kills it. We also don't care if it's 4 months out. I'll repeat: FIRST IMPRESSION.
I've been playing for 3 of the 4 months. I've created a character of every class and tried every one of the starting areas. My highest is a 14 Druid do to checking out every aspect of the game. My druid is also a crafter and diplomat, can rememer all of the sphere lvls. I tried Diplomacy for each of the starting areas and for every race I made a character for, over half.
By the time I reach the higher lvls, any bugs that remain will have been worked out and new content added. I aproach an MMO with the intent of investing many months, possibley years, in the game. I'm in no rush to lvl, if the game keeps me interested then I'll be here a year or two later.
STFU. I do NOT want to hear sympathy to a dumbass company that had 30 MILLION bucks in funding. Sigil had more then enough cash WAAAY MORE then enough. 1) Their advertisments sucked.. not even a TV ad. 2) They bought a pre-made engine. How could they have spent a lot of money on those? They didn't. So wtf did that money go to? Makes me truely wonder. Brad had his chance, but he's to stupid to run a company. It showed in EQ1 when he almost drove it into the ground with his retarded vision. Luckly SOE picked it up. His experience is limited in this industry. He should have stuck to games like pacman.
Who said anything about sympathy? I'm just being realsistic and understand that for whatever reason the game was released early and as such don't expect it to have everything that would have been in it if it had released on time. I haven't givin you my opinion on Sigil as a company.
They left MS, because MS dumped them for ALWAYS being behind schedule AND brad is a little bitch who didn't want a windows explusive game. LOTRO is windows exclusive. It dominated VGs launch. Who the crap plays games on a MAC? Not a very smart person. Ta hell with MAC.
Since you made the claim you should have supported it.
They could have put the project on hold untill they had more funding. Simple as that. Loans do exist you know. They would have been better off putting it aside for the time being untill it can be properly fixed. This FIRST IMPRESSION they gave was horrid. They turned a lot of people away AND tarnished their name for good.
If you can't get the money when you need it; then putting it on hold doesn't always work out. If you can't get the money when you need it, you may not be able to get it in the future, and the people you already owe money to don't want to here, "well get back to it later."
Major point: FIRST IMPRESSION.
My first impression was the performance sucked, my impression now is that it's gotten better, bugs have been fixed, classes have been tweaked to be better, and content was added. I could care less what my first impression was, because the game is nothing like my first impression. It's gotten better.
Stop living in a fantasy world. The game sucks. The majority thinks it sucks. Go away already. You defend it. Then you get attacked by 3+ people. You're out numbered and might as well go play your crummy game then waste time here.
If you didn't like the core of the game, then you didn't like it. Ok, respectable. But no amount of time would help you. If you simply weren't having fun, then odds are you won't have fun 6 months down the road. The game is as it is, new things will be added, but nothing you wouldn't be unfamilliar with. Quests, whatever, you didn't like what was already there then odds are you won't like what comes.
Just because you thought it "sucked" doesn't mean other wont enjoy it. I do, so surely others will.
We get attacked when we point out mistruths, or incorect information. We get attacked when we defend something we enjoy. I'm cool with that. I'm not telling you that the game is fun for you when you say it wasn't. People are generally more vocal when they dislike something. People speaking out in a forum monitored by a third party is going to be more common then people saying it's great.
One unhappy customer will tell 7 others and all that. It's just the way it is. Those of us that enjoy the game and like to discuss it will do our parts to point out why they like the game, or to simply say that we do. The enviroment on this forum is simply more hater friendly. Oh well.
Keep hoping for those updates, you will get all that spiffy content about the time Warhammer or AoC comes out of the gates and tears will run from SoE. Tears are delicious.
I don't have to hope, because were getting the updates.
Originally posted by fariic1 Sounds like they released and are hoping for the best.
That's true for any business. Whether or not they make it is another matter entirely.
But again-- if we assume they're broke and can't pay the bills, based solely on the fact they released early due to running out of funds, then at some point, hope has to give way to some sort of realistic perspective. Either Sigil will sell and be absorbed by SOE so they can pay their creditors back and try to keep the game going, or they declare bankruptcy to restructure their debts, and try to ride things out for as long as possible.
If I were a gambling woman, I'd bet on the first option. There's no way Brad wants to see this game fall after all the time and money spent on developing it. Selling to SOE, or having Sigil absorbed whole would be preferable to steadily losing money until the game has to shut down. He's put too much into VG to let it go, so I'd wager that he'd rather find a way to save it.
You don't have to wager anything. He's already talking to SoE, it's well know fact that he's trying to find some way to fix the game, and possibley his company as well.
Keep hoping for those updates, you will get all that spiffy content about the time Warhammer or AoC comes out of the gates and tears will run from SoE. Tears are delicious.
I don't have to hope, because were getting the updates.
Yewp, but none of those that I was speaking of the huge naval battles with flying elephants with puffy wings that breed gold for all..
You don't have to wager anything. He's already talking to SoE, it's well know fact that he's trying to find some way to fix the game, and possibley his company as well.
I'm aware of that. The question then becomes this-- how much of Vanguard will stay the same, and how much control will SOE have in changing its direction?
I know that both Smed and Brad have said that nothing will change, but I don't buy that for a second. If they're going to try and make the game more commercially viable, then the game will change somehow. How much change is an open question.
Sounds like Brads way ahead of you.
Only if he was considering all of this last summer when the partnership with SOE was first announced.
You don't have to wager anything. He's already talking to SoE, it's well know fact that he's trying to find some way to fix the game, and possibley his company as well.
I'm aware of that. The question then becomes this-- how much of Vanguard will stay the same, and how much control will SOE have in changing its direction?
I know that both Smed and Brad have said that nothing will change, but I don't buy that for a second. If they're going to try and make the game more commercially viable, then the game will change somehow. How much change is an open question.
Sounds like Brads way ahead of you.
Only if he was considering all of this last summer when the partnership with SOE was first announced.
I would guess that SoE involvment in any parf would mean the finances to continue what was started. they've already said what the direction was, and I honestly couldn't see them stearing from that. Ship to ship combat, would just be great. More dungeons would be great, expanding on diplomacy would be great, continueing to tweak crafting to get it as close to perfect as you can get in an MMO would be great. More content in general would be great.
I don't see why they would change what is there. At it's core it's no dif. then any other MMO.
I would guess that SoE involvment in any parf would mean the finances to continue what was started. they've already said what the direction was, and I honestly couldn't see them stearing from that. Ship to ship combat, would just be great. More dungeons would be great, expanding on diplomacy would be great, continueing to tweak crafting to get it as close to perfect as you can get in an MMO would be great. More content in general would be great. I don't see why they would change what is there. At it's core it's no dif. then any other MMO.
We'll see. Of course, it's too soon to tell, since they haven't officially announced anything, but the next few months will be very revealing.
Well, even though I'm a strong supporter of innovation, I've always found that people would rather take a fun, functional re-hash of what's already out there, as opposed to a not-so-functional, experimental title that's lacking in many ways.
This isn't even just for MMO's, but just in general.
Right.. it's hardly the innovator that gets the accolades, but the 2nd improvement upon that platform that really makes people notice.
For example.. Was Doom the first FPS? Hell no.. but it was the first to blow the doors off the dump. WoW blew the doors off the MMO scene, but was its systems revolutionary? Hell no... but it was bugless and full of content. That was the revolutionary part.
Well, actually that was CoH before it.. but WoW really raised the bar.
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
I love reading the post from people that claim this game is dead. It isn't dead - not yet. It is actually improving. Yes. It is improving. This coming from someone that gave this game a 3 out of 10 in my review. LOL! My 6 month review will be due soon and I'll be once again telling it like it is to those of you who wish to read it. I was brutally honest in my first Vanguard review and I can promise you I'll be just as honest this go around. To those of you that keep BS'n on this forum about how bad Vanguard is and preaching gloom and doom can keep right on doing what you're doing. Anyone that comes on here and reads your BS post and believes it is a real shame. Despite Vanguards rocky last few months I can attest that it is improving and it has gotten better. As I have said time and time again, Vanguard was released 1 year(not 3 months and not 6 months) to early and slowly but surely it is getting better. In 6 to 7 more months this game is going to be one of the best there is. I remember people saying SWG was going to crash and burn when it first launched and I was there saying just the oposite and it did remain a good game until the NGE killed it. SWG turned into a great game pre-NGE. To bad SOE mucked it up! Well I am here to tell you that I predict that Vanguard will be here a year from now and it will be way, way better than it was at launch. Will it die? LMAO! No. In fact I am here to say that I think it will have 200k to 300k subscribers by June of next year. No those are not WoW's numbers but they are respectable and in 2 years time Vangaurd will no doubt be pushing 500k. Yes...500k! You heard it here first from one of Vanguards most harshest critics.
Change your opinion more please.
First VG rocks, then it sucks, now it rox again, .... oh wait.....you write you're one of the most harchest VG critics at the end of your post....changed opinion again??....
You obviously can't make up your mind, and are playing on and off with like and hate feelings.
I love reading the post from people that claim this game is dead. It isn't dead - not yet. It is actually improving. Yes. It is improving. This coming from someone that gave this game a 3 out of 10 in my review. LOL! My 6 month review will be due soon and I'll be once again telling it like it is to those of you who wish to read it. I was brutally honest in my first Vanguard review and I can promise you I'll be just as honest this go around. To those of you that keep BS'n on this forum about how bad Vanguard is and preaching gloom and doom can keep right on doing what you're doing. Anyone that comes on here and reads your BS post and believes it is a real shame. Despite Vanguards rocky last few months I can attest that it is improving and it has gotten better. As I have said time and time again, Vanguard was released 1 year(not 3 months and not 6 months) to early and slowly but surely it is getting better. In 6 to 7 more months this game is going to be one of the best there is. I remember people saying SWG was going to crash and burn when it first launched and I was there saying just the oposite and it did remain a good game until the NGE killed it. SWG turned into a great game pre-NGE. To bad SOE mucked it up! Well I am here to tell you that I predict that Vanguard will be here a year from now and it will be way, way better than it was at launch. Will it die? LMAO! No. In fact I am here to say that I think it will have 200k to 300k subscribers by June of next year. No those are not WoW's numbers but they are respectable and in 2 years time Vangaurd will no doubt be pushing 500k. Yes...500k! You heard it here first from one of Vanguards most harshest critics.
Change your opinion more please.
First VG rocks, then it sucks, now it rox again, .... oh wait.....you write you're one of the most harchest VG critics at the end of your post....changed opinion again??....
You obviously can't make up your mind, and are playing on and off with like and hate feelings.
Seriously, give it a rest.
I believe she's been playing the entire time, I'd say that amounts to something.
I love reading the post from people that claim this game is dead. It isn't dead - not yet. It is actually improving. Yes. It is improving. This coming from someone that gave this game a 3 out of 10 in my review. LOL! My 6 month review will be due soon and I'll be once again telling it like it is to those of you who wish to read it. I was brutally honest in my first Vanguard review and I can promise you I'll be just as honest this go around. To those of you that keep BS'n on this forum about how bad Vanguard is and preaching gloom and doom can keep right on doing what you're doing. Anyone that comes on here and reads your BS post and believes it is a real shame. Despite Vanguards rocky last few months I can attest that it is improving and it has gotten better. As I have said time and time again, Vanguard was released 1 year(not 3 months and not 6 months) to early and slowly but surely it is getting better. In 6 to 7 more months this game is going to be one of the best there is. I remember people saying SWG was going to crash and burn when it first launched and I was there saying just the oposite and it did remain a good game until the NGE killed it. SWG turned into a great game pre-NGE. To bad SOE mucked it up! Well I am here to tell you that I predict that Vanguard will be here a year from now and it will be way, way better than it was at launch. Will it die? LMAO! No. In fact I am here to say that I think it will have 200k to 300k subscribers by June of next year. No those are not WoW's numbers but they are respectable and in 2 years time Vangaurd will no doubt be pushing 500k. Yes...500k! You heard it here first from one of Vanguards most harshest critics.
Change your opinion more please.
First VG rocks, then it sucks, now it rox again, .... oh wait.....you write you're one of the most harchest VG critics at the end of your post....changed opinion again??....
You obviously can't make up your mind, and are playing on and off with like and hate feelings.
Seriously, give it a rest.
No it did suck...bad...4 months ago. Maybe that is why I gave it a 3 out of 10 - you think? LMAO! So you give it a rest.
I love reading the post from people that claim this game is dead. It isn't dead - not yet. It is actually improving. Yes. It is improving. This coming from someone that gave this game a 3 out of 10 in my review. LOL! My 6 month review will be due soon and I'll be once again telling it like it is to those of you who wish to read it. I was brutally honest in my first Vanguard review and I can promise you I'll be just as honest this go around. To those of you that keep BS'n on this forum about how bad Vanguard is and preaching gloom and doom can keep right on doing what you're doing. Anyone that comes on here and reads your BS post and believes it is a real shame. Despite Vanguards rocky last few months I can attest that it is improving and it has gotten better. As I have said time and time again, Vanguard was released 1 year(not 3 months and not 6 months) to early and slowly but surely it is getting better. In 6 to 7 more months this game is going to be one of the best there is. I remember people saying SWG was going to crash and burn when it first launched and I was there saying just the oposite and it did remain a good game until the NGE killed it. SWG turned into a great game pre-NGE. To bad SOE mucked it up! Well I am here to tell you that I predict that Vanguard will be here a year from now and it will be way, way better than it was at launch. Will it die? LMAO! No. In fact I am here to say that I think it will have 200k to 300k subscribers by June of next year. No those are not WoW's numbers but they are respectable and in 2 years time Vangaurd will no doubt be pushing 500k. Yes...500k! You heard it here first from one of Vanguards most harshest critics.
I'll put up 500 bucks saying VG will never hit 500k.
I'll put up 500 bucks if you stop crying about a freaking game (SWG).
I love reading the post from people that claim this game is dead. It isn't dead - not yet. It is actually improving. Yes. It is improving. This coming from someone that gave this game a 3 out of 10 in my review. LOL! My 6 month review will be due soon and I'll be once again telling it like it is to those of you who wish to read it. I was brutally honest in my first Vanguard review and I can promise you I'll be just as honest this go around. To those of you that keep BS'n on this forum about how bad Vanguard is and preaching gloom and doom can keep right on doing what you're doing. Anyone that comes on here and reads your BS post and believes it is a real shame. Despite Vanguards rocky last few months I can attest that it is improving and it has gotten better. As I have said time and time again, Vanguard was released 1 year(not 3 months and not 6 months) to early and slowly but surely it is getting better. In 6 to 7 more months this game is going to be one of the best there is. I remember people saying SWG was going to crash and burn when it first launched and I was there saying just the oposite and it did remain a good game until the NGE killed it. SWG turned into a great game pre-NGE. To bad SOE mucked it up! Well I am here to tell you that I predict that Vanguard will be here a year from now and it will be way, way better than it was at launch. Will it die? LMAO! No. In fact I am here to say that I think it will have 200k to 300k subscribers by June of next year. No those are not WoW's numbers but they are respectable and in 2 years time Vangaurd will no doubt be pushing 500k. Yes...500k! You heard it here first from one of Vanguards most harshest critics.
I'll put up 500 bucks saying VG will never hit 500k.
I'll put up 500 bucks if you stop crying about a freaking game (SWG).I'll take a piece of that action. In fact, i'll through in llama.
I love reading the post from people that claim this game is dead. It isn't dead - not yet. It is actually improving. Yes. It is improving. This coming from someone that gave this game a 3 out of 10 in my review. LOL! My 6 month review will be due soon and I'll be once again telling it like it is to those of you who wish to read it. I was brutally honest in my first Vanguard review and I can promise you I'll be just as honest this go around. To those of you that keep BS'n on this forum about how bad Vanguard is and preaching gloom and doom can keep right on doing what you're doing. Anyone that comes on here and reads your BS post and believes it is a real shame. Despite Vanguards rocky last few months I can attest that it is improving and it has gotten better. As I have said time and time again, Vanguard was released 1 year(not 3 months and not 6 months) to early and slowly but surely it is getting better. In 6 to 7 more months this game is going to be one of the best there is. I remember people saying SWG was going to crash and burn when it first launched and I was there saying just the oposite and it did remain a good game until the NGE killed it. SWG turned into a great game pre-NGE. To bad SOE mucked it up! Well I am here to tell you that I predict that Vanguard will be here a year from now and it will be way, way better than it was at launch. Will it die? LMAO! No. In fact I am here to say that I think it will have 200k to 300k subscribers by June of next year. No those are not WoW's numbers but they are respectable and in 2 years time Vangaurd will no doubt be pushing 500k. Yes...500k! You heard it here first from one of Vanguards most harshest critics.
I'll put up 500 bucks saying VG will never hit 500k.
I'll put up 500 bucks if you stop crying about a freaking game (SWG).I'll take a piece of that action. In fact, i'll through in llama.
I care to look at games, 6 mo. 1yr, 2 yr, even 3 yr after release __Kyle__. I know many other MMORPG gamers in real life that do the same. Not everyone is a shallow-minded community like the people here at www.mmorpg.com always waiting to jump to the "next" game, taking down other games while hyping ones that arent even released. HAHAHHAHAHAHAH . I really think this website is full of a bunch of noobs, I just like trolling here and calling most of you idiots. GG. Little Child.
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as much as i wanted this game to rock it didint and unless in 1 year ican play this game flawlessly on my machine then imho its still a pig
im majorly ticked imho we should get refunds for this garbage or something , id love to see a class action lawsuit ,but it still wouldnt get me back my money or my hopes and dreams i wasted on sigil.
this was supposed to be eq2 imho but it fell short ,it suc ks and anyone who says different thats there opinion
my machine is a amd x2 5000 with 4gb ram and a 8800gtx i couldnt get past the hitching from chunk to chunk to me thats a failure.
i hope they get game sorted out in a year because id be willing to go back and try to get my moneys worth but at this point im not sure that will happen .
as far as these boards go ive read alot of what folks are saying and imho every game that releases crap deserves it , the game (idont play but tried) that deseerves major kudos is lotro it works it has a great game on there hands but not my playstyle .
again playstyle differences i can accept but junk that dont even work is totally unacceptable and i believe sigil and sony should be sued for this . they knew it didint work and released it any ways .
sony as the publisher should have stopped and said we cant release this bs , microsoft did and yet they cant even get a operating system down good before releasing so that tells you how bad vanguard really is imho.
Some lead and some follow I prefer to stand beside!
as much as i wanted this game to rock it didint and unless in 1 year ican play this game flawlessly on my machine then imho its still a pig im majorly ticked imho we should get refunds for this garbage or something , id love to see a class action lawsuit ,but it still wouldnt get me back my money or my hopes and dreams i wasted on sigil. this was supposed to be eq2 imho but it fell short ,it suc ks and anyone who says different thats there opinion my machine is a amd x2 5000 with 4gb ram and a 8800gtx i couldnt get past the hitching from chunk to chunk to me thats a failure. i hope they get game sorted out in a year because id be willing to go back and try to get my moneys worth but at this point im not sure that will happen . as far as these boards go ive read alot of what folks are saying and imho every game that releases crap deserves it , the game (idont play but tried) that deseerves major kudos is lotro it works it has a great game on there hands but not my playstyle . again playstyle differences i can accept but junk that dont even work is totally unacceptable and i believe sigil and sony should be sued for this . they knew it didint work and released it any ways . sony as the publisher should have stopped and said we cant release this bs , microsoft did and yet they cant even get a operating system down good before releasing so that tells you how bad vanguard really is imho.
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/11615 This is interesting. If this is up to date then it would appear that that nvidia still hasn't released working drivers for Vista. Hmmm, I wonder if this could be a problem.
I'm sorry that you invested your hopes and dreams on the game, no bodies fault but your own though.
Who said it was supposed to be EQ2? There's already an EQ2. If that was what you were looking for then you should check out EQ2. It's a great game.
What, are you running back and forth between chunks? BTW, you'll notice in EQ2 that the cities are all instanced. Yeah, you spend more time loading between the instanced zones of EQ2 then you do chunking in VG. You know, the seemless world.
If the game didn't work you would have posted somethign along the lines of, "I baught the game, and was unable to play because it wouldn't load up." However, the game did load up, and it ran; wich means it worked. You just weren't happy with the performance. I also ask you to look at the link for the Nvidia drivers again.
The axe finally fell. It was only a matter of time, I suppose. And while many of you may try to spin this to make SOE look bad, apparently this wasn't really their doing. You see, SOE doesn't own Sigil. It doesn't own Sigil now and they won't own them tomorrow. But they do own Vanguard. What fate awaits that game? I don't know. Don't particularly care either.
But I do know that at approximately 4:30PM today, Sigil employees were told to meet outside. At which point they were terminated. On the spot. By whom? Doesn't seem to have been Brad McQuaid, if it was, nobody is talking. But that doesn't seem like something he'd do. But I suppose the executioner is irrelevant since most folks secretly want it to be SOE and it wasn't. As it stands, people were told to come back tomorrow to do their paperwork and some may get hired by SOE.
I contacted SOE since I'm not in the business of burning bridges or spinning news and they had this to say:
"...an announcement is forthcoming tomorrow."
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Well, even though I'm a strong supporter of innovation, I've always found that people would rather take a fun, functional re-hash of what's already out there, as opposed to a not-so-functional, experimental title that's lacking in many ways.
This isn't even just for MMO's, but just in general.
I agree 100%. If VG had released lets say with two continents instead of two and a half and everything was polished and full of content and made a huge first impression etc etc, then it would be very easy to add inovation later. Certainly if the game felt complete and non-beta it would've gotten more subscribers and more cash and instead of negotiating with SOE for some smidgen of control they could be focusing on an expansion with boat combat, flying mounts and even some new 3rd gen stuff no one has heard of.
O No sane company is going to simply fold up if they are at a point were they could release a game that is playable, even in a smaller then anticipated market. Something is better then nothing. You don't make money off of nothing.
And sometimes the decision is taken out of the hands of the 'sane company' when they screw up so many times and so badly that they shoot themselves in the foot with a 12-gauge shotgun
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This isn't even just for MMO's, but just in general.
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
That's true for any business. Whether or not they make it is another matter entirely.
But again-- if we assume they're broke and can't pay the bills, based solely on the fact they released early due to running out of funds, then at some point, hope has to give way to some sort of realistic perspective. Either Sigil will sell and be absorbed by SOE so they can pay their creditors back and try to keep the game going, or they declare bankruptcy to restructure their debts, and try to ride things out for as long as possible.
If I were a gambling woman, I'd bet on the first option. There's no way Brad wants to see this game fall after all the time and money spent on developing it. Selling to SOE, or having Sigil absorbed whole would be preferable to steadily losing money until the game has to shut down. He's put too much into VG to let it go, so I'd wager that he'd rather find a way to save it.
We get attacked when we point out mistruths, or incorect information. We get attacked when we defend something we enjoy. I'm cool with that. I'm not telling you that the game is fun for you when you say it wasn't. People are generally more vocal when they dislike something. People speaking out in a forum monitored by a third party is going to be more common then people saying it's great.
One unhappy customer will tell 7 others and all that. It's just the way it is. Those of us that enjoy the game and like to discuss it will do our parts to point out why they like the game, or to simply say that we do. The enviroment on this forum is simply more hater friendly. Oh well.
It's fun for me and may be fun for others.
That's true for any business. Whether or not they make it is another matter entirely.
But again-- if we assume they're broke and can't pay the bills, based solely on the fact they released early due to running out of funds, then at some point, hope has to give way to some sort of realistic perspective. Either Sigil will sell and be absorbed by SOE so they can pay their creditors back and try to keep the game going, or they declare bankruptcy to restructure their debts, and try to ride things out for as long as possible.
If I were a gambling woman, I'd bet on the first option. There's no way Brad wants to see this game fall after all the time and money spent on developing it. Selling to SOE, or having Sigil absorbed whole would be preferable to steadily losing money until the game has to shut down. He's put too much into VG to let it go, so I'd wager that he'd rather find a way to save it.
You don't have to wager anything. He's already talking to SoE, it's well know fact that he's trying to find some way to fix the game, and possibley his company as well.
Sounds like Brads way ahead of you.
Yewp, but none of those that I was speaking of the huge naval battles with flying elephants with puffy wings that breed gold for all..
I'm aware of that. The question then becomes this-- how much of Vanguard will stay the same, and how much control will SOE have in changing its direction?
I know that both Smed and Brad have said that nothing will change, but I don't buy that for a second. If they're going to try and make the game more commercially viable, then the game will change somehow. How much change is an open question.
Only if he was considering all of this last summer when the partnership with SOE was first announced.
I'm aware of that. The question then becomes this-- how much of Vanguard will stay the same, and how much control will SOE have in changing its direction?
I know that both Smed and Brad have said that nothing will change, but I don't buy that for a second. If they're going to try and make the game more commercially viable, then the game will change somehow. How much change is an open question.
Only if he was considering all of this last summer when the partnership with SOE was first announced.
I would guess that SoE involvment in any parf would mean the finances to continue what was started. they've already said what the direction was, and I honestly couldn't see them stearing from that. Ship to ship combat, would just be great. More dungeons would be great, expanding on diplomacy would be great, continueing to tweak crafting to get it as close to perfect as you can get in an MMO would be great. More content in general would be great.
I don't see why they would change what is there. At it's core it's no dif. then any other MMO.
For example.. Was Doom the first FPS? Hell no.. but it was the first to blow the doors off the dump. WoW blew the doors off the MMO scene, but was its systems revolutionary? Hell no... but it was bugless and full of content. That was the revolutionary part.
Well, actually that was CoH before it.. but WoW really raised the bar.
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It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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Change your opinion more please.
First VG rocks, then it sucks, now it rox again, .... oh wait.....you write you're one of the most harchest VG critics at the end of your post....changed opinion again??....
You obviously can't make up your mind, and are playing on and off with like and hate feelings.
Seriously, give it a rest.
Change your opinion more please.
First VG rocks, then it sucks, now it rox again, .... oh wait.....you write you're one of the most harchest VG critics at the end of your post....changed opinion again??....
You obviously can't make up your mind, and are playing on and off with like and hate feelings.
Seriously, give it a rest.
I believe she's been playing the entire time, I'd say that amounts to something.Change your opinion more please.
First VG rocks, then it sucks, now it rox again, .... oh wait.....you write you're one of the most harchest VG critics at the end of your post....changed opinion again??....
You obviously can't make up your mind, and are playing on and off with like and hate feelings.
Seriously, give it a rest.
No it did suck...bad...4 months ago. Maybe that is why I gave it a 3 out of 10 - you think? LMAO! So you give it a rest.
I'll put up 500 bucks if you stop crying about a freaking game (SWG).
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I'll put up 500 bucks if you stop crying about a freaking game (SWG).I'll take a piece of that action. In fact, i'll through in llama.
I'll put up 500 bucks if you stop crying about a freaking game (SWG).I'll take a piece of that action. In fact, i'll through in llama.
You throw in a llama and I'll toss in an alpaca.
Be cool to people, and try and stay cool that way you never have to regret making someone feel bad. Don't take what ya got granted because some people never get to feel happy. We get to play these great MMOs and surf a good site. Be thankful for what ya got and next time ya feel down imagine a fat sea otter waddling with a pillow and a night cap. Bam! smiles!
as much as i wanted this game to rock it didint and unless in 1 year ican play this game flawlessly on my machine then imho its still a pig
im majorly ticked imho we should get refunds for this garbage or something , id love to see a class action lawsuit ,but it still wouldnt get me back my money or my hopes and dreams i wasted on sigil.
this was supposed to be eq2 imho but it fell short ,it suc ks and anyone who says different thats there opinion
my machine is a amd x2 5000 with 4gb ram and a 8800gtx i couldnt get past the hitching from chunk to chunk to me thats a failure.
i hope they get game sorted out in a year because id be willing to go back and try to get my moneys worth but at this point im not sure that will happen .
as far as these boards go ive read alot of what folks are saying and imho every game that releases crap deserves it , the game (idont play but tried) that deseerves major kudos is lotro it works it has a great game on there hands but not my playstyle .
again playstyle differences i can accept but junk that dont even work is totally unacceptable and i believe sigil and sony should be sued for this . they knew it didint work and released it any ways .
sony as the publisher should have stopped and said we cant release this bs , microsoft did and yet they cant even get a operating system down good before releasing so that tells you how bad vanguard really is imho.
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http://www.joystiq.com/2006/05/06/splitsvillemsftsigil/ A link to an article on why Sigil and Microsoft split up,so that you'll be better informed when you post a comment on the topic.
Running the game on vista?
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/11615 This is interesting. If this is up to date then it would appear that that nvidia still hasn't released working drivers for Vista. Hmmm, I wonder if this could be a problem.
I'm sorry that you invested your hopes and dreams on the game, no bodies fault but your own though.
Who said it was supposed to be EQ2? There's already an EQ2. If that was what you were looking for then you should check out EQ2. It's a great game.
What, are you running back and forth between chunks? BTW, you'll notice in EQ2 that the cities are all instanced. Yeah, you spend more time loading between the instanced zones of EQ2 then you do chunking in VG. You know, the seemless world.
If the game didn't work you would have posted somethign along the lines of, "I baught the game, and was unable to play because it wouldn't load up." However, the game did load up, and it ran; wich means it worked. You just weren't happy with the performance. I also ask you to look at the link for the Nvidia drivers again.
You didn't like the game that's cool.
The axe finally fell. It was only a matter of time, I suppose. And while many of you may try to spin this to make SOE look bad, apparently this wasn't really their doing. You see, SOE doesn't own Sigil. It doesn't own Sigil now and they won't own them tomorrow. But they do own Vanguard. What fate awaits that game? I don't know. Don't particularly care either.
But I do know that at approximately 4:30PM today, Sigil employees were told to meet outside. At which point they were terminated. On the spot. By whom? Doesn't seem to have been Brad McQuaid, if it was, nobody is talking. But that doesn't seem like something he'd do. But I suppose the executioner is irrelevant since most folks secretly want it to be SOE and it wasn't. As it stands, people were told to come back tomorrow to do their paperwork and some may get hired by SOE.
I contacted SOE since I'm not in the business of burning bridges or spinning news and they had this to say:
"...an announcement is forthcoming tomorrow."
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I agree 100%. If VG had released lets say with two continents instead of two and a half and everything was polished and full of content and made a huge first impression etc etc, then it would be very easy to add inovation later. Certainly if the game felt complete and non-beta it would've gotten more subscribers and more cash and instead of negotiating with SOE for some smidgen of control they could be focusing on an expansion with boat combat, flying mounts and even some new 3rd gen stuff no one has heard of.
And sometimes the decision is taken out of the hands of the 'sane company' when they screw up so many times and so badly that they shoot themselves in the foot with a 12-gauge shotgun
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I think May 15th is going to be a very interesting day for folks like Fariic1, Teala and Healz4u.
I know I'll be watching these Forums.