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3 weeks of LOTRO from a L 50 *Somewhat of a review*
Devony
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You guys are ALL MISSING THE POINT!
It doesn't matter how fast or much I played the game, in a week , a month, everyone will catch up!
I posted this from my point of view as for what other players will be seeing, to give insight, not to say play 12 hours a day.
EDIT: a couple people think I am lying, let me clarify.. I did in fact do all this in under 3 weeks. I did not play past 15 in the beta. I had 2.5 days where I didn't play because my internet went down.
I spent time helping my kin mates get through Fornost. A few days I didn't play to set up website and to just take a break. Yes, I played most days for 7-12 hours a day. A couple days of the 3 weeks I only played 2 hours a day. I did not mean that I played every day only 2 hours a day!
FYI, I was not even close to being the first 50 in the game, or even on my server. People got to 50 in like the first week.
If you'd like to see some pics of what we did check out our website.. I didn't think this would be an issue but feel free to look all you want at our gallery
www.dcikinship.info/e107/e107_plugins/autogallery/autogallery.php
Hey guys, I feel something has to be said about LOTRO. I am pretty disappointed and need to gripe so don't take this personal if you like the game.
I was one of LOTRO's bigger fans at least in the sense that it would tide me over till TR or AoC. Well since release (starting at L 15) I played for 3 weeks, I would say yea I played a lot but not that hardcore compared to say, my WOW days.
I took a few breaks in between of 2 days or more without even logging on, and some days I played maybe only a couple hours a day. I am telling you this so you don't think i am some crazy 24/7 power leveler. I do play more then the average person, but not by a huge amount, maybe I end up doing stuff a week sooner before the average person.
I am writing this to let you know what you can expect depending on your play style etc.
Sadly, in 3 weeks from release I managed to do the following:
a) Get to max level.
b) Get the highest level in crafting.
c) Do every major fellowship (group quest, meaning hard) quest in the game.
d) Complete all the end game instances, Urugarth and Carn Dum.
e) Finish all the Epic storyline quests.
f) Defeat every monster stronghold in Ettenmoors (PvMP) with a small group of players.
g) Kill a 24 man raid boss with 6 people.
h) Get all my Legendary traits (skills).
After all this, I had a hard drive crash and I haven't re-installed LOTRO nor have I logged in, in over a week. Why?
1) Itemization is HORRIBLE. Expect to spend hours doing the end game instances and getting loot that is worse then loot you get from quests 10x easier. I am not exaggerating here. For instance, the hardest boss in the game and most fun fight of the ENTIRE game is Mordirith. And guess what, he literally drops loot worse than loot we get off of trash mobs in the instance.
2) End game instances over all are slow and boring. It takes you a couple tries to learn what to do for a couple bosses, but most are just high HP sacks of lard that you chip away at till it's dead (and go have a coffee and come back!) It is just a matter of time sink. Carn Dum, if you don't have the keys, will take you 7 hours.
3) No end game soloing aside from grinding. After 35 theres no way to level without fellowships. For me this wasn't a bad thing but for a lot of people it would be. I'm going to contradict myself here. Although I found the game too easy in a sense, it would not be at all easy for a casual player past 35 because of the need for a good group constantly. You can't just log on and play as you have to do group quests that require a Minstrel. I had a Minstrel that I played with until 50 thats why I could do all this stuff... which brings me to my next point
3A) Vitality the only real stat that matters. You can kill anything with enough Morale(hp). The game is dependent solely on having a healer. Maybe this is good to some people, but I could see it being such an annoyance. Every other class doesn't even matter as long as you have a healer, lol.
4) Every character of a class is the same. There are only a few traits that are good for a particular class and every one will have those traits. Once you've done end game you'll have the exact same quest weapons as everyone else. At least there is dye
.
5) Mounts are badly implemented.. one archer can make a L 50 fall off their horse.. whats the point of even having one when you fall off the horse every 5 seconds.
. This isn't a huge deal but it is extremely aggravating.
6) Its like they make the game only to L 30 then threw in the rest of the content.. not realising people actually level a lot faster then they thought. Quests are badly mis-labled. There are some group quests that are soloable when they are red, then there are MANY solo quests impossible to solo, surrounded by elites and signatures galore. Also there are quests that would be blue or white to you that are nearly impossible to do even though you are at the right level.
7) The hardest quest in the game is your L 45 class quest. Most classes require items that drop in the hard end game instances... but the drop is not 100% so they are quite hard to get.. some of the items aren't even in game by mistake. And guess what, if you DO manage to get your quest items, the quest rewards are way worse then what you can get from L 40 regular quests! The weapon I got from doing my class quest I used for less than half a level just because I wanted to say i used it.
I guess I thought there was more in this game, I fooled myself lol. Yea they are putting out more 24 man raid content sometime in June, but i wonder if that 24 man stuff is also 6 manable. Eh. Just left me feeling like theres nothing else left and no reason to log in.
I really liked the idea of PVMP and 6 man end game, but they're just badly implemented. I want about 10x as much content and they could have done soooo much more with PVMP. I know the game is new but i thought there'd be a lot more.
It doesn't matter how fast or much I played the game, in a week , a month, everyone will catch up!
I posted this from my point of view as for what other players will be seeing, to give insight, not to say play 12 hours a day.
EDIT: a couple people think I am lying, let me clarify.. I did in fact do all this in under 3 weeks. I did not play past 15 in the beta. I had 2.5 days where I didn't play because my internet went down.
I spent time helping my kin mates get through Fornost. A few days I didn't play to set up website and to just take a break. Yes, I played most days for 7-12 hours a day. A couple days of the 3 weeks I only played 2 hours a day. I did not mean that I played every day only 2 hours a day!
FYI, I was not even close to being the first 50 in the game, or even on my server. People got to 50 in like the first week.
If you'd like to see some pics of what we did check out our website.. I didn't think this would be an issue but feel free to look all you want at our gallery
www.dcikinship.info/e107/e107_plugins/autogallery/autogallery.php
Hey guys, I feel something has to be said about LOTRO. I am pretty disappointed and need to gripe so don't take this personal if you like the game.
I was one of LOTRO's bigger fans at least in the sense that it would tide me over till TR or AoC. Well since release (starting at L 15) I played for 3 weeks, I would say yea I played a lot but not that hardcore compared to say, my WOW days.
I took a few breaks in between of 2 days or more without even logging on, and some days I played maybe only a couple hours a day. I am telling you this so you don't think i am some crazy 24/7 power leveler. I do play more then the average person, but not by a huge amount, maybe I end up doing stuff a week sooner before the average person.
I am writing this to let you know what you can expect depending on your play style etc.
Sadly, in 3 weeks from release I managed to do the following:
a) Get to max level.
b) Get the highest level in crafting.
c) Do every major fellowship (group quest, meaning hard) quest in the game.
d) Complete all the end game instances, Urugarth and Carn Dum.
e) Finish all the Epic storyline quests.
f) Defeat every monster stronghold in Ettenmoors (PvMP) with a small group of players.
g) Kill a 24 man raid boss with 6 people.
h) Get all my Legendary traits (skills).
After all this, I had a hard drive crash and I haven't re-installed LOTRO nor have I logged in, in over a week. Why?
1) Itemization is HORRIBLE. Expect to spend hours doing the end game instances and getting loot that is worse then loot you get from quests 10x easier. I am not exaggerating here. For instance, the hardest boss in the game and most fun fight of the ENTIRE game is Mordirith. And guess what, he literally drops loot worse than loot we get off of trash mobs in the instance.
2) End game instances over all are slow and boring. It takes you a couple tries to learn what to do for a couple bosses, but most are just high HP sacks of lard that you chip away at till it's dead (and go have a coffee and come back!) It is just a matter of time sink. Carn Dum, if you don't have the keys, will take you 7 hours.
3) No end game soloing aside from grinding. After 35 theres no way to level without fellowships. For me this wasn't a bad thing but for a lot of people it would be. I'm going to contradict myself here. Although I found the game too easy in a sense, it would not be at all easy for a casual player past 35 because of the need for a good group constantly. You can't just log on and play as you have to do group quests that require a Minstrel. I had a Minstrel that I played with until 50 thats why I could do all this stuff... which brings me to my next point
3A) Vitality the only real stat that matters. You can kill anything with enough Morale(hp). The game is dependent solely on having a healer. Maybe this is good to some people, but I could see it being such an annoyance. Every other class doesn't even matter as long as you have a healer, lol.
4) Every character of a class is the same. There are only a few traits that are good for a particular class and every one will have those traits. Once you've done end game you'll have the exact same quest weapons as everyone else. At least there is dye
.5) Mounts are badly implemented.. one archer can make a L 50 fall off their horse.. whats the point of even having one when you fall off the horse every 5 seconds.
. This isn't a huge deal but it is extremely aggravating.6) Its like they make the game only to L 30 then threw in the rest of the content.. not realising people actually level a lot faster then they thought. Quests are badly mis-labled. There are some group quests that are soloable when they are red, then there are MANY solo quests impossible to solo, surrounded by elites and signatures galore. Also there are quests that would be blue or white to you that are nearly impossible to do even though you are at the right level.
7) The hardest quest in the game is your L 45 class quest. Most classes require items that drop in the hard end game instances... but the drop is not 100% so they are quite hard to get.. some of the items aren't even in game by mistake. And guess what, if you DO manage to get your quest items, the quest rewards are way worse then what you can get from L 40 regular quests! The weapon I got from doing my class quest I used for less than half a level just because I wanted to say i used it.
I guess I thought there was more in this game, I fooled myself lol. Yea they are putting out more 24 man raid content sometime in June, but i wonder if that 24 man stuff is also 6 manable
. Eh. Just left me feeling like theres nothing else left and no reason to log in.I really liked the idea of PVMP and 6 man end game, but they're just badly implemented. I want about 10x as much content and they could have done soooo much more with PVMP. I know the game is new but i thought there'd be a lot more.
Currently waiting for - Perfect World English, Age of Conan
How to play Perfect World in english
Currently messing with - Requiem Online
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See this is the problem with the thinking of 'endgame' has better content, players rush to cap then complain theres nout to do.. Turbine have said there is no endgame content (mainly lvls 30-50) as of yet, most of us knew this off the bat, it's going to be sorted next month anyway.
Point being I'm sorry you expected 'more' from a 2-3 month released game compeared to a 2-3 yeared game, but I think most players will expect this, my advice to anyone wanting a capped char within LOTR with 'epix' in 'endgame' either have fun with monster play or wait 2 years then return to the game when the levels of 'quality' are to your standard
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
The thing is, I didn't even rush to end game.. I did everything there is/was to do in the game. Tell me how i could have slowed down, lol.. I am not really sure what i could have done differently. It is my play style. I didn't see it posted anywhere there was no end game.. there is end game, it's just boring and pointless to do aside from bragging rights.
I guarantee in the next week or so there will be 100 posts about this kind of thing over on the LOTRO forums if there isn't already.
IMO they should KNOW people are going to want to play and level past 30 before June..
Currently waiting for - Perfect World English, Age of Conan
How to play Perfect World in english
Currently messing with - Requiem Online
People can say what they want about WoW (I hate the damn thing), but they had a decent amount of high level content from day one, and more was added shortly there after. That means that there was a rush to push LOTR out the door, the game was not fully developed and that is the end of it. One can say, that well that is the case for 99% of the MMOs released but why should we (as players) accept this fact and spend our money onto incomplete products.
People can say what they want about WoW (I hate the damn thing), but they had a decent amount of high level content from day one, and more was added shortly there after. That means that there was a rush to push LOTR out the door, the game was not fully developed and that is the end of it. One can say, that well that is the case for 99% of the MMOs released but why should we (as players) accept this fact and spend our money onto incomplete products. I wouldn't say that LoTRO was rushed out the door. Turbine's been working on the game for a few years. From what I know the game is relatively bug free. From what I perceive from the OP is the game is not balanced. Turbine seems to always find a way to mess up a game.
LOL. Ok.. FIrst, you say you were able to get to the Max level, Max out crafting, do all the quests, and get all the traits in only 3 weeks. Then you say that during those 3 weeks you took 2 day breaks and only played 2 hours per day on some days..
I played LOTR in beta and play anywhere from 8 to 12 hours per week with my family and squad and can say for a fact, that either you:
1. are lieing
2. able bend time/Space
3. hire people to play your charactor when you are not logged in.
4. have multiple personallities which all play the game, but are only counting the time played by one of them in your "review".
I don't usually post in these fourms, but this post was just just too rediculous not to comment on. All joking aside, the game is not perfect (haven't yet found an MMORPG that was). It does lack some depth, especially in the higher levels, but it is a lot of fun which is which is why its ranked so high on this site, and why it has been getting steller reviews. Like WOW, LOTR is a nerfed MMORPG designed to appeal to the masses (and not power gamers like your self which are a small minority).
But really what did you expect?
Go play daoc i been playign it a bit after LotRO came out... have not got past level 24 ... why becuase i keep making toons to rvr in thid.... pleanty of fun.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
LOTRO is not a game for POWER GAMER
There is not nearly enough content. Nor is the game ecosystem suited for people that play lot of hours.
Moment you hit lvl 50 you can simply uninstall the game. So i wouldnt advice rushing trough content to anyone.
Play it slow , enjoy the great atmosphere and quests - and if you do it this way by the time you get to 50
either a expansion will be out. Or AOC/WAR/Whatever will be out
So you see , once you know the downside of LOTRO , and know how to avoid it , it is very enjoyable game
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I have a similar play style....maximize your time. I think LoTRO is a pretty easy game as well. I had no problem leveling up and was constantly looking for things to do inside the game. I didn't look at the crafting at all, I have always hated it. I then found PvMP and was hooked for about an hour, then sadly I realized .....lame! (probably be better in a couple months). I really was having fun playing this game, but I found myself wanting to watch TV or do something else....which I usually am not about when I get home from work. I just did a delete of the game and a cancel of the account.
I think even with this content patch it just won't have it FOR ME (take it easy on the flames, fans. I put for me...lol). It seems like a fun game and it plays well (bug free) for new game, a ton cleaner than VSoH thats for sure. It just seems way easy and a bit boring after playing for a couple weeks.
I am sticking with Planetside until either GnH, TCoS come out. I say that with the hopes that these games come out months before AoC. If they come out to close to AoC I will just wait for that because it looks like that will own everything on the market until WAR demolishes all.
Lotro i tried in beta it was cute.(end of coment).
I am an LOTR fan but the game just was uninspiring to me. I have tried a ton of games too many to name.(wow,vanguard,ddo etc. etc. those being from the newer games). And ive played alot of the older games still out DAOC,EVE,shadowbane etc.
Games being released too early makes me so mad(and many others too). Its Highway robbery. They start getting you excited for 2 years before they release in some cases, and amazes me how they can release the game with all these promises they have hyped up for years and then tell you, we will fix it in weekly patches or some kinda crap like that. They need to make a group of people like a congress or something that reviews the game and gives them permission to sell there game. Like a governing council or something. Make it a law that a game has got to be playable according to what they say you should be able to do ingame at the time of release.
Ok my pennies worth of chat.
I don't understand some of you guys replying. I mean, do you actually criticize a player for playing too many hours or rather more hours than he "should"?? Did the devs ever say (actually in any game) that "hey, this is a small game, you must play it only 2-3 hours a day or you will run out of things to do"? Also, you must not say to a player that he is in this "deadend" because he did not try/level all the classes (alts) he could so he spends more time in the game. Same as above, I do not know of any game company that would suggest "game is small so if you don't want to get bored, try all the different classes to spend your time", nor should a player be forced to try all the classes to spend his time or else he'll run out of content and even if he did that he would just find himself in the same situaion, only some time later than sooner. -- And if you tell me, it was known from the start and stated by the devs that this is a "casual" game, then ok, I will know for next time that when I see a "casual" game I know it's a game that one can play for 1-2 months before he gets bored of it, then consider if my 50 +15 (+15) euros are worth it.
And I'm not saying all this to bash the game. Fact is, I was bored of everything else (spending months having nothing to do) when I started playing LOTRO open beta. I liked the story, the theme, the atmosphere, the whatever, I mean, I really wanted it to be my "next game" to settle and play for a long time, at least till some other games I was expecting are out.. But after a couple of weeks in open beta I saw coming what the OP is describing in his post and I just quit. You can not justify ithe lack of content by saying "you should be playing 2-3 hours a day". So his opinion and mine is just it. It's a nice game, released with few bugs, unlike other games, which is good, but content is missing and missing lots. And not only that, pvp (PvMP) is so roughly implemented that it's not even funny. But nobody should complain about that because it was stated from the beginning. So anyway, even the "pve" part of the game is not what it should be to keep a player happy, be it a casual player or a player who plays a little (or not) more.
I disagree with most of you. MMOs do end no matter what you think about them. A normal game will usually last you a day or two for 40-50 dollars. If LOTRO last you only 3 weeks you probably played a lot. Three weeks of content for someone who plays a lot is quite a bit of content. This is where people need to relax and realise they can't just keep going in the game like it's a real world and the content is just going to develop on it's own. It takes a long long long time to develop content. I'm not even a fan of this game as I don't like it much, but I don't like this attitude people who twords MMOs. It's I want I want I want I want I want and I desearve.
"My Fantasy is having two men at once...
One Cooking and One Cleaning!"
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"A good man can make you feel sexy,
strong and able to take on the whole world...
oh sorry...that's wine...wine does that..."
Bottom line: If you are a Powerleveller, LOTRO was not designed for you - go away
If you are a casual player - max 15hrs a week, I'd guess - come play with us; it is a wonderful story driven game
It's like Cliffnotes vs reading the unabridged version.
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If you start this game as an achiever type of player - well, the game is not for you. You're like a hot knive cutting through butter. Just because steel would give you a much more challenging target, butter still tastes better *grins*
Meridion
And here we go again... *sigh*
Actually u did play a bit too much, and tell me then, with that rate of game play? wich game u think suits your needs?....
Why u come here bashing and flaming a game with this awefull *cough* "review" based on your own mistake or style of play?.... ther's no game out there (perhaps only everquest I & II because of the years of development they have) that has that extensive content u need to satisfy ur own eagerness to prove erm... *nothing*.
Anyhow, this game is to enjoy every minute of it, it's just hilarious how ppl bash and burn a game that has just a few time out there, insted of considering that so far is the only online game i know that has so few bugs and it's kinda rol errorproof, with no grinding whatsoever only if u like to.
Closing this opinion, i think u migth need to re-review the game because if it was sooooo bad as u say u wouldn't played it that many hours in a row nor "finished" it (in your own bizarre concept).
Sort of figured powerleveler's would burn through it real quick, I recommend L2 for that crowd....will keep even them busy for a long time to come....
Actually, I took a break this weekend to give EvE a trial...and it looks like a game that I'll be splitting time with LotRO on....
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
I was on the fence on whether to buy the game but after reading your post I've decided it's the perfect game for me. I've gotten sick of the games that make you feel like you have to log in constantly to keep up or even progress at all. It sounds like LOTRO is the type of game I can log on to for an hour or two here and there and still progress pretty well.
Hey like they say one man's garbage is another man's treasure. Here's hoping I'll strike my gold with LOTRO.
People can say what they want about WoW (I hate the damn thing), but they had a decent amount of high level content from day one, and more was added shortly there after. That means that there was a rush to push LOTR out the door, the game was not fully developed and that is the end of it. One can say, that well that is the case for 99% of the MMOs released but why should we (as players) accept this fact and spend our money onto incomplete products.Uhh, no WoW didn't. No PVP ranking, No BGs, NO Dire Maul. No MC, NO BWL, NO ZG, NO Naxx. Heck no Mauradon on release. So what did they have. They had Scholo, UBRS, LBRS, Stratholme. That was the "endgame" when WoW released. So 4 whole dungeons. Not much more then LOTRO.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
And the OP is either lying or pays someone to play when he isn't.
I play the game for 3-5 hours per day for 5-6 days per week. I am currently level 38. I have a core group of guild members who have been playing MMO games for years. Even the guys in my guild or play constantly. (even by their own definition) and play more then 10 hours per day are in their 40s. The guy who plays the most has a level 40 Burglar and a lvl 39 Guardian that he levels at the same time. This guy plays MMO games full time for 3 months out of the year then moves onto fishing for 3 months and then bird hunting for 3 months (or maybe it was hunting then fishing lol).
But anyone who thinks that a casual is anywhere near the level cap is either delusional, in denial, or just plain lying.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
BS
Everquest I at release would've taken even a power gamer more than 3 weeks to reach max. So don't dumb everything else down to boost up your dumbed down game.
I don't think I'll ever get to level 50
Ant
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