I build my own computers, and for most of my friends and family, and buy 99% of my parts from NewEgg and TigerDirect. Can't really comment on places that you build it there and they ship it to you....
As for the video cards, so the x800 thats not out yet beats the 6800ultra, or will beat it rather, but what about the one thats out now? 6800ultra vs. best x800 on the market?
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
ok the X800 vs 6800 ultra let me state facts than u can go which ever u want.
The 6800 beats the X800 pro by little however the 6800 needs 480 watt of power where the X800 pro needs 350 and the 6800 needs 2 12v where the X800 is 1 12
Also the X800 takes only spot where u have to have 2 spots empty for the 6800. The X800 is anywhere f rom 400 to 500 dollars where the 6800 is about 500 to 700 dollars. The X800 XT P.E that u can pre-order is faster than the 6800 by everything and it only takes 1 slot and only needs 1 12v of 350 watt of power. And its only gonna be 500 dollars. SO i just stated the facts and if i were u id go with X800 XT P.E. Unles u dont want to wait like 1 week or so or unless ur a NVIDIA fan where i cant see why would u be. ATI is the best at everything they do.
unless ur a NVIDIA fan where i cant see why would u be. ATI is the best at everything they do.
Actually it was just this past year that ATI passed Nvidia. Nvidia's FX line was by far not their best product. Before that though Nvidia led the way, and then they kinda swapped places due to the FX vs. 9800 series of cards. Will be interesting to see where it goes from here, I think Nvidia is doing it right again and definitely posed to retake the lead.
As for why I'm a Nvidia fan, as I stated before, I've owned 2 or 3 ATI cards in my life, all of which have given me nothign but hell. Every single Nvidia card tho has worked perfectly. Granted I know that a lot of this is just due to luck and whatnot but still, naturally I'm inclined to stick with what has done right by me in the past.
As for the power issues, not a big deal at all, already planned on going with a 550w PS, Nvidia recommends a 480w, but really it only uses 110w or so.
As for the 2 slots, doesn't matter, plenty of room. The price is a little bit of an issue, but not a huge one, I believe in paying for quality. Still in debate if the bit of added quality is worth the added cost in this instance, but we'll see.
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Both ATI's X800 and nVidia's GF 6800 are good vid cards. Each has it's own pros and cons, and you have to also look at the cost and power consumption. For some people this rules out the nVidia card.
On some games the X800 XT comes out ahead of the 6800 GT & ULTRA cards, for example Halo. On other games the 6800 is the winner. If you look at UT2k4 and X2: The Threat, you can see the companies' flip flop according to what the settings are. You can see these benchmark tests here.
Just pick which game you want to see the test results on. As you can see, which card performs better has a lot to do with what the settings are and what engine the game uses.
In the end, it comes down to how much are you willing to spend to necessitate the upgrade in performance. In addition, the nVidia 6800 line may out perform the X800 line on future games based on how the cards work. You can read about this here.
I personally use the ATI cards vs the nVidia cards because of the cost and power consumption of the nVidia cards, not to mention the fact of the size of some of the nVidia cards. Plus, I'll never buy the brand name ATI cards again util they out perform Gigbyte, Sapphire and His versions. You can usually get better performance with less cost.
We will all just have to wait and see which card comes out on top in the next year. This debate will rage on after the uber systems we build are obsolete.
"The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
Thanks for the articles, still leaning heavily towards the 6800 Ultra, we'll see tho, still a couple other things I'm trying to decide on also, like the case and PSU and ram...
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Originally posted by kptone RabidwereWOlf u got urself a bad ass system right there. I got most of the stuff u do but my mobo different and im running pc1066 rambus memory. The vIDeo card is bad ass im running everything on max with the VGA silencer.
kptone, that wasn't my system p. It was mmofan's, but ty anyways. I've got good news though.
Well, I found out I may be able to build my system I want sooner than expected, and maybe as soon as July or August of this year. I still have several things to pick out, but this gives you a good idea of the system I'll be putting together. I plan on modding the case so that it will take some more fans as well, and I'm designing my cooling system so I don't have all that figured out just yet. This is what I plan on doing so here ya go:
AMD socket939 Athlon 64 3500+, 2.2ghz $499.00
ASUS A8V Deluxe Wi-FI mobo $171.00
Corsair XMS 1gb (512mb X 2) DDR PC-3200 RAM $258.00
ENERMAX 550w PWR Supply EG651P-VE(FMA) $148.00
Seagate 73GB 10,000RPM SCSI Hard Drive $269.00 (I'll add on another one of these later on)
ASUS DRW-0804P DVD +Rw/-RW drive$129.00
Gigabyte ATI Radeon X800 Pro vid card $459.00
Lian-LI Black ATX Mid-Tower Case, Model PC-V1000B $199.00
Total so far$2,132.00 + tax & shipping from Newegg.com.
Well there you go. The Lian-Li case doesn't hardly have any sharp edges, is easy to mod and easy to work with. It is a very good quality case as far as workmanship goes too. Like I said, I still have some other items to pick out and have to design the cooling sytem so I have to get those items too. I think I'll pretty happy, especially since I'll be overclocking the cpu and vid card.
"The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
THATS a very nice system but if i were u i would get the Mushkin 1gb DDR PC-3500 level one dual pack for $ 275.00 its a little more expensive but way worth the money.
Originally posted by kptone THATS a very nice system but if i were u i would get the Mushkin 1gb DDR PC-3500 level one dual pack for $ 275.00 its a little more expensive but way worth the money.
kptone, I can't use PC-3500 . My mobo only takes DDR400/333/266. Mushkin is very good memory, but I don't believe it out performs the Corsair XMS in PC-3200 cat. Of course I'm not up on new memory since its been awhile since I've put together an all new uber sytem. I'll research it, but still let me know if I wrong in the assumption that PC-3500 will not work in the ASUS A8V deluxe mobo
"The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
IT shouldnt matter cause i have a Gigabyte "GA-7NNXP' mobo and it says 400/333/266 and i still have the 1GB mushkin and no problems its the best performance for ur money.
But u should research bout the ASUS cause they might be a difference, but i dont know bud.
But if u have any other questions just let me know ill try to look.
For the ultimate gaming computer for less than $1000.00 go to cyberpowerpc.com
i swear on my life you will not get a better deal. I got my comp there, cost $900.00 and listen to specs:
harddrive: 80 gb maxtor
Proccesor: AMD Athalon XP 3200+ with 2.2 gigahertz (i know that 2.2 sounds slow, it IS NOT!!!)
Graphics Card: GeForce fx 5700 ultra (never lag on a game again)
Ram: regular 512 mb
Motherboard: A7n8x-x with nforce
Cooling: heatsink with 5 case fans with a led screen on case that tell you how hot it is.
Case: The nicest looking case with led lights
You are not going to find a better gaming machine anywhere else for under $2000.00 so why spend more for the same or better! i swear it is just as good as the $3000.00 dell xps series, ive compared. I play some pretty intense graphics related games, COH for one, and i have never even seen a second of distortion or lag or graphics lag, this is the bomb! Just check it out, never lag again, never graphics lag, run like the wind....
I dont like to build my comp because i know if i got parts it would be like 2 months before i would not be so lazy to do it. Besides i got the acutal comp i listed before for like $800.00, i spent like 120.00 on super fast shipping to make it 920.00
Im a real big ATI fan i think everything they do is great, i have nothing against NVIDIA but really ATI is the best price for the performance and with the X800XT P.E coming out u better bet im gonna get it for sure. EIther way i cant afford neither the 6800 or the X800 XT so have to save up for a while to get either one.
ok ok, i got a choice here. i get 1gig ram (good brand) and be with amdxp, or i get amd 64 2800 (im on a tight budget) with a good stick of 512ddr400 pc3200. any help?
Get the 1gig memory for sure man. The CPU doesnt really matter if u have good amount of memroy and a nice Video Card, thats all you need. Plus i have a old computer that has 1.5gig pc-2700 and it runs on Athlon 1500+ and still runs UT2004 great.
Id suggest get the 1gig memory man it will be worth it. After few months the AMD prices will go down than maybe switch off to a better CPU.
no offence, but i think ill wait for someone whos opinion i respect, seems to me you dont know what your talking about. Its not a matter of just getting a different CPU later on because it wouldnt fit on a socket A mobo, you need a 754pin mobo... And CPU does matter, i am leaning more towards to getting the AMD 64 becuase i can easily overclock it to 3ghz maybe even 3.2. I feel that 512meg of ram is quite sufficient but i want a second opinion, or maybe a 3rd...
sure u can wait on other opinion, but if u want a Nice CPU(like the 64) u have to have the RAM to back it up to see how it really runs at or otherwise might aswell get a P4 much better.
Im running: AMD 64 3200 clawhammer Asus K8V SE delux 1 gig infineon DDR 400 (2x500) Radion 9600 pro 128 Raptor SATA 10000 rpm X2 RAID 0 Windows XP 64 beta
Ok i built this system myself and i tried few diferent combos with software and hardware.
I tried this with just the one stick of 512 ddr 400, and i didnt like it too much. It was pretty slugish for what im used to. I had to turn planetsides grafx down to get good frames.
And if you want to get the AMD 64 3200 get the clawhammer with 1024 kb cache @ 2 GHz and not the Newcastle with 512 KB @ 2.2 GHz if you want to OC. The clawhammer will benifite alot more from faster clockspeeds.
I have to agree with Coraith here, did indeed sound like you were saying the P4s are "much better" than the AMD 64s...
Richard J. Cox "There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Comments
I build my own computers, and for most of my friends and family, and buy 99% of my parts from NewEgg and TigerDirect. Can't really comment on places that you build it there and they ship it to you....
As for the video cards, so the x800 thats not out yet beats the 6800ultra, or will beat it rather, but what about the one thats out now? 6800ultra vs. best x800 on the market?
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
ok the X800 vs 6800 ultra let me state facts than u can go which ever u want.
The 6800 beats the X800 pro by little however the 6800 needs 480 watt of power where the X800 pro needs 350 and the 6800 needs 2 12v where the X800 is 1 12
Also the X800 takes only spot where u have to have 2 spots empty for the 6800. The X800 is anywhere f rom 400 to 500 dollars where the 6800 is about 500 to 700 dollars. The X800 XT P.E that u can pre-order is faster than the 6800 by everything and it only takes 1 slot and only needs 1 12v of 350 watt of power. And its only gonna be 500 dollars. SO i just stated the facts and if i were u id go with X800 XT P.E. Unles u dont want to wait like 1 week or so or unless ur a NVIDIA fan where i cant see why would u be. ATI is the best at everything they do.
Actually it was just this past year that ATI passed Nvidia. Nvidia's FX line was by far not their best product. Before that though Nvidia led the way, and then they kinda swapped places due to the FX vs. 9800 series of cards. Will be interesting to see where it goes from here, I think Nvidia is doing it right again and definitely posed to retake the lead.
As for why I'm a Nvidia fan, as I stated before, I've owned 2 or 3 ATI cards in my life, all of which have given me nothign but hell. Every single Nvidia card tho has worked perfectly. Granted I know that a lot of this is just due to luck and whatnot but still, naturally I'm inclined to stick with what has done right by me in the past.
As for the power issues, not a big deal at all, already planned on going with a 550w PS, Nvidia recommends a 480w, but really it only uses 110w or so.
As for the 2 slots, doesn't matter, plenty of room. The price is a little bit of an issue, but not a huge one, I believe in paying for quality. Still in debate if the bit of added quality is worth the added cost in this instance, but we'll see.
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
Both ATI's X800 and nVidia's GF 6800 are good vid cards. Each has it's own pros and cons, and you have to also look at the cost and power consumption. For some people this rules out the nVidia card.
On some games the X800 XT comes out ahead of the 6800 GT & ULTRA cards, for example Halo. On other games the 6800 is the winner. If you look at UT2k4 and X2: The Threat, you can see the companies' flip flop according to what the settings are. You can see these benchmark tests here.
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=2044&p=18
Just pick which game you want to see the test results on. As you can see, which card performs better has a lot to do with what the settings are and what engine the game uses.
In the end, it comes down to how much are you willing to spend to necessitate the upgrade in performance. In addition, the nVidia 6800 line may out perform the X800 line on future games based on how the cards work. You can read about this here.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040603/index.html
I personally use the ATI cards vs the nVidia cards because of the cost and power consumption of the nVidia cards, not to mention the fact of the size of some of the nVidia cards. Plus, I'll never buy the brand name ATI cards again util they out perform Gigbyte, Sapphire and His versions. You can usually get better performance with less cost.
We will all just have to wait and see which card comes out on top in the next year. This debate will rage on after the uber systems we build are obsolete.
"The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
Thanks for the articles, still leaning heavily towards the 6800 Ultra, we'll see tho, still a couple other things I'm trying to decide on also, like the case and PSU and ram...
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."
kptone, that wasn't my system p. It was mmofan's, but ty anyways.
I've got good news though.
Well, I found out I may be able to build my system I want sooner than expected, and maybe as soon as July or August of this year. I still have several things to pick out, but this gives you a good idea of the system I'll be putting together. I plan on modding the case so that it will take some more fans as well, and I'm designing my cooling system so I don't have all that figured out just yet. This is what I plan on doing so here ya go:
AMD socket939 Athlon 64 3500+, 2.2ghz $499.00
ASUS A8V Deluxe Wi-FI mobo $171.00
Corsair XMS 1gb (512mb X 2) DDR PC-3200 RAM $258.00
ENERMAX 550w PWR Supply EG651P-VE(FMA) $148.00
Seagate 73GB 10,000RPM SCSI Hard Drive $269.00 (I'll add on another one of these later on)
ASUS DRW-0804P DVD +Rw/-RW drive$129.00
Gigabyte ATI Radeon X800 Pro vid card $459.00
Lian-LI Black ATX Mid-Tower Case, Model PC-V1000B $199.00
Total so far$2,132.00 + tax & shipping from Newegg.com.
Well there you go. The Lian-Li case doesn't hardly have any sharp edges, is easy to mod and easy to work with. It is a very good quality case as far as workmanship goes too. Like I said, I still have some other items to pick out and have to design the cooling sytem so I have to get those items too. I think I'll pretty happy, especially since I'll be overclocking the cpu and vid card.
"The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
"The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action." Hartley's 1st Law
IT shouldnt matter cause i have a Gigabyte "GA-7NNXP' mobo and it says 400/333/266 and i still have the 1GB mushkin and no problems its the best performance for ur money.
But u should research bout the ASUS cause they might be a difference, but i dont know bud.
But if u have any other questions just let me know ill try to look.
For the ultimate gaming computer for less than $1000.00 go to cyberpowerpc.com
i swear on my life you will not get a better deal. I got my comp there, cost $900.00 and listen to specs:
harddrive: 80 gb maxtor
Proccesor: AMD Athalon XP 3200+ with 2.2 gigahertz (i know that 2.2 sounds slow, it IS NOT!!!)
Graphics Card: GeForce fx 5700 ultra (never lag on a game again)
Ram: regular 512 mb
Motherboard: A7n8x-x with nforce
Cooling: heatsink with 5 case fans with a led screen on case that tell you how hot it is.
Case: The nicest looking case with led lights
You are not going to find a better gaming machine anywhere else for under $2000.00 so why spend more for the same or better! i swear it is just as good as the $3000.00 dell xps series, ive compared. I play some pretty intense graphics related games, COH for one, and i have never even seen a second of distortion or lag or graphics lag, this is the bomb! Just check it out, never lag again, never graphics lag, run like the wind....
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Funky.Fat.Hack.Pack.Child.Porn.Junkie.Monky --- Fuzam
well all that u just listed we can get for about 800 dollars on Newegg.com hehe.
I build all my PCs from there cheap and VERY big selection and the shipping is great.
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Funky.Fat.Hack.Pack.Child.Porn.Junkie.Monky --- Fuzam
Im a real big ATI fan i think everything they do is great, i have nothing against NVIDIA but really ATI is the best price for the performance and with the X800XT P.E coming out u better bet im gonna get it for sure. EIther way i cant afford neither the 6800 or the X800 XT so have to save up for a while to get either one.
Get the 1gig memory for sure man. The CPU doesnt really matter if u have good amount of memroy and a nice Video Card, thats all you need. Plus i have a old computer that has 1.5gig pc-2700 and it runs on Athlon 1500+ and still runs UT2004 great.
Id suggest get the 1gig memory man it will be worth it. After few months the AMD prices will go down than maybe switch off to a better CPU.
no offence, but i think ill wait for someone whos opinion i respect, seems to me you dont know what your talking about. Its not a matter of just getting a different CPU later on because it wouldnt fit on a socket A mobo, you need a 754pin mobo... And CPU does matter, i am leaning more towards to getting the AMD 64 becuase i can easily overclock it to 3ghz maybe even 3.2. I feel that 512meg of ram is quite sufficient but i want a second opinion, or maybe a 3rd...
Im running:
AMD 64 3200 clawhammer
Asus K8V SE delux
1 gig infineon DDR 400 (2x500)
Radion 9600 pro 128
Raptor SATA 10000 rpm X2 RAID 0
Windows XP 64 beta
Ok i built this system myself and i tried few diferent combos with software and hardware.
I tried this with just the one stick of 512 ddr 400, and i didnt like it too much. It was pretty slugish for what im used to. I had to turn planetsides grafx down to get good frames.
And if you want to get the AMD 64 3200 get the clawhammer with 1024 kb cache @ 2 GHz and not the Newcastle with 512 KB @ 2.2 GHz if you want to OC. The clawhammer will benifite alot more from faster clockspeeds.
I have to agree with Coraith here, did indeed sound like you were saying the P4s are "much better" than the AMD 64s...
Richard J. Cox
"There were much of the beautiful, much of the wanton, much of the bizarre, something of the terrible, and not a little of that which might have excited disgust."