Gameloading has got to be the biggest puppet i've ever seen. If the critics say it, and the majority agrees it has to be correct. Good thinking there mate.
your calling him a puppet?? i can't help but laugh about that, you guys diss on WOW saying the awards it got don't matter and such, yet when a game you all like comes out and the critics like it and it wins awards then its all good and you are all cheering and crap....i smell hypocrites.
To millions of players WOW is probably the best game ever in their eyes, in some of your eyes you see it as the worse, its an old debate already and people will see what they wanna see. I enjoy WOW right now, i have some friends who don't like it, don't really care what they like or don't honestly....i guess i wonder why even stress out about it? blizzard made a game they wanted to be fun for people and for alot of people it is, just find a game you have fun with and quit worring about what everyone else is doing.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
Wrong. Everquest is the Beatles, WoW is the Monkees. And Ultima Online is Venom!! MUAHAHAHA
Everquest would have to be
1: Better
2: more popular
than WoW, and its not. hence WoW is the beatles.
Unless you're MMO career began in 2004, you'd know Everquest is better than WOW. Granted WOW is a fine title but let's not get silly here.
BTW...never compare WOW to the Beatles..
Do you have anything to back it up? Oh nevermind, I know you don't. you just post your opinion and you make the mistake to think that its fact. Its not. WoW is better than Everquest, there is a good reason why the vast majority of critics gave it higher scores than Everquest. Just because you like Everquest better does not make EQ a better game than WoW.
Again WOW is a good title but let's be realistic...
1) EQI's variety of group encounters and content quality is still superior to WOW.
2) EQI's raid encounters are still more challenging than WOW's
3) EQI's knowledge of class prerequesite is still superior to WOW.
4) WOW still continues to borrow from EQI not vice versa.
5) EQI's character developement is still superior to WOW.
If you're going to challenge one of the masters of this genre you better bring more ammo than subscription numbers and revisionist hyperbole. There's a diffrence between really good and Legendary I suggest you do some research.
whats really funny is if WOW wasn't so huge in subs people wouldn't even be arguing about it, they would be arguing about what ever other game is huge and how it supposedly ruined mmo's.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
Gameloading has got to be the biggest puppet i've ever seen. If the critics say it, and the majority agrees it has to be correct. Good thinking there mate.
your calling him a puppet?? i can't help but laugh about that, you guys diss on WOW saying the awards it got don't matter and such, yet when a game you all like comes out and the critics like it and it wins awards then its all good and you are all cheering and crap....i smell hypocrites.
To millions of players WOW is probably the best game ever in their eyes, in some of your eyes you see it as the worse, its an old debate already and people will see what they wanna see. I enjoy WOW right now, i have some friends who don't like it, don't really care what they like or don't honestly....i guess i wonder why even stress out about it? blizzard made a game they wanted to be fun for people and for alot of people it is, just find a game you have fun with and quit worring about what everyone else is doing.
"You guys".. i'm not one of those guys. I like what i like, and i don't backup my claims with other peoples opinions.
Wrong. Everquest is the Beatles, WoW is the Monkees. And Ultima Online is Venom!! MUAHAHAHA
Everquest would have to be
1: Better
2: more popular
than WoW, and its not. hence WoW is the beatles.
Unless you're MMO career began in 2004, you'd know Everquest is better than WOW. Granted WOW is a fine title but let's not get silly here.
BTW...never compare WOW to the Beatles..
Do you have anything to back it up? Oh nevermind, I know you don't. you just post your opinion and you make the mistake to think that its fact. Its not. WoW is better than Everquest, there is a good reason why the vast majority of critics gave it higher scores than Everquest. Just because you like Everquest better does not make EQ a better game than WoW.
Again WOW is a good title but let's be realistic...
1) EQI's variety of group encounters and content quality is still superior to WOW.
2) EQI's raid encounters are still more challenging than WOW's
3) EQI's knowledge of class prerequesite is still superior to WOW.
4) WOW still continues to borrow from EQI not vice versa.
5) EQI's character developement is still superior to WOW.
If you're going to challenge one of the masters of this genre you better bring more ammo than subscription numbers and revisionist hyperbole. There's a diffrence between really good and Legendary I suggest you do some research.
Zarraa, If you're not going to back it up with facts then don't go into debate with me, EQ's Group encounters are better in YOUR OPINION, everything you mention is nothing but your opinion.
Learn that your opinion is not fact. it isn't, and it never will be. If Everquest truly was as good as WoW, it would have received better ratings. but it didn't, and there is a good reason for that.
Gameloading has got to be the biggest puppet i've ever seen. If the critics say it, and the majority agrees it has to be correct. Good thinking there mate.
Ofcourse, the thought "its a bad game because I say so, My opinion is fact!!" is better thinking, right?
Gameloading has got to be the biggest puppet i've ever seen. If the critics say it, and the majority agrees it has to be correct. Good thinking there mate.
Ofcourse, the thought "its a bad game because I say so, My opinion is fact!!" is better thinking, right?
Of course it is? i go by my own opinions, not by what other people say.
Interesting post which has no value whatsoever, battle of the fan bois not the bands.
The Beetles are Unique and ground breaking and backed up what they were with original content. A certain game cannot be considered in that context so under no circumstances should they be compared. People can try but again it's like comparing black and white, sorry just a lame thread amusing but lame.
All that you can attribute to "A certain game" is that it has set the MMO genre back 10 years and taken the challenge back out of games I guess it's back to MUDS and my own imagination.
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
While I find the fact that you demand something to back it up`while not providing anything yourself (No, one comment about one developer about a single tree in one class is not evidence) is quite funny, my statement still stands. tget are bothering with the classes because they are still being worked on in each patch.
Uh that comment does count. A spec is what makes a character. It's why WoW's got only 9 classes but a variety of playstyles. When 2 out of 3 specs can almost be considered crippled, players of that class will be pigeonholed into the ONLY working spec. In this case, Holy. Pretty weak of a developer to say that a class has gotten "out of control" when it was he who caused the spiral downwards.
So when IS the ret spec going to be reworked? People like you told pallies to shut up and wait pre 1.10. They got nothing. And then 1.12 came...but they got nerfed again. And then 2.01, even their healing got hit. Now they're announcing the Death Knight, which is pretty much everything Ret pallies could ever ask for. It's a significant problem for the Paladin community whether or not YOU in particular care about it. Thats just your opinion on how a game should be like, its not fact (I know, hard to accept eh?). many MMO's have achievements in the forms of raids, including Everquest, Everquest 2, FFXI, Lineage 2 etc etc. some people like a good challenge, an a raid is what delivers that challenge.
Back then when I grinded to rank 14, that was worlds ahead of even Naxxramas raiding in terms of "challenge". Would you have done it? I didn't think so. Does that make you a bad player? I'll leave you to answer that question.
By the same token, there are people who don't wanna raid like you do. So are they bad players who only "want their cookie NOW", as you put it?
There are now multiple ways to get epic equipment. Through factions, crafting, heroic dungeons, pvp and raiding. If you don't want to raid, you don't have to, but you seem to ignore that fact on purpose. And yet no new recipes are being added for the professions. The Arena is now more like a place for Black Temple raiders to test their new toys in and resilience? LOL resilience. A lot of good that stat does. Ya gotta stack a lot of it to have any difference and by then, you'd be gimped in other areas. Way to go at making non-raid progression slowly obsolete. I totally can't wait for Northrend.
Gameloading has got to be the biggest puppet i've ever seen. If the critics say it, and the majority agrees it has to be correct. Good thinking there mate.
Ofcourse, the thought "its a bad game because I say so, My opinion is fact!!" is better thinking, right?
Of course it is? i go by my own opinions, not by what other people say.
Ofcourse you should play the game you enjoy, thats not what I said. But when pointing out a quality of a game, that opinion means little.
There are other games I like better than WoW, but you don't see mee making posts "X game is better than WoW!". Because I know it isnt
LOL I think wow is more like the rolling stones, copied all the blues artist w/o ever admitting to it, still try too make music that just plain suxx ass because there all old and rehashed burnout drug addicts
While I find the fact that you demand something to back it up`while not providing anything yourself (No, one comment about one developer about a single tree in one class is not evidence) is quite funny, my statement still stands. tget are bothering with the classes because they are still being worked on in each patch.
Uh that comment does count. A spec is what makes a character. It's why WoW's got only 9 classes but a variety of playstyles. When 2 out of 3 specs can almost be considered crippled, players of that class will be pigeonholed into the ONLY working spec. In this case, Holy. Pretty weak of a developer to say that a class has gotten "out of control" when it was he who caused the spiral downwards.
You'd have to be pretty narrow minded to judge the entire balance of all the classes on ONE tree. Yes, one.
So when IS the ret spec going to be reworked? People like you told pallies to shut up and wait pre 1.10. They got nothing. And then 1.12 came...but they got nerfed again. And then 2.01, even their healing got hit. Now they're announcing the Death Knight, which is pretty much everything Ret pallies could ever ask for. It's a significant problem for the Paladin community whether or not YOU in particular care about it.
FIrst of all, don't put words in my mouth. I never told a paladin to shut up. Every class has its problems, including my class. If there is a problem (And I say IF, just because some people think their class is underpowered doesn't always mean it is), it will be fixed in time. But there are many things to take into consideration and you can't just fix it in one day.Thats just your opinion on how a game should be like, its not fact (I know, hard to accept eh?). many MMO's have achievements in the forms of raids, including Everquest, Everquest 2, FFXI, Lineage 2 etc etc. some people like a good challenge, an a raid is what delivers that challenge.
Back then when I grinded to rank 14, that was worlds ahead of even Naxxramas raiding in terms of "challenge". Would you have done it? I didn't think so. Does that make you a bad player? I'll leave you to answer that question.
By the same token, there are people who don't wanna raid like you do. So are they bad players who only "want their cookie NOW", as you put it?
I never said they are bad players, don't put words in my mouth.
There are now multiple ways to get epic equipment. Through factions, crafting, heroic dungeons, pvp and raiding. If you don't want to raid, you don't have to, but you seem to ignore that fact on purpose. And yet no new recipes are being added for the professions. The Arena is now more like a place for Black Temple raiders to test their new toys in and resilience? LOL resilience. A lot of good that stat does. Ya gotta stack a lot of it to have any difference and by then, you'd be gimped in other areas. Way to go at making non-raid progression slowly obsolete. I totally can't wait for Northrend. Arena and crafted gear performs very, very well against raid gear.
Most of the old EQers seem to be to be like old men moaning about how things were better in the old day, and how music now is all 'noise'...regardless of how many people like the 'noice'...
I haven't played WoW for a year, and i'll probably never play it again. But i recognise that its the most successful game out there, and will be for a long while year. All these stories of 'Wow is dying' are rubbish, sure subs might fall a bit, but theres still going to be millions of players.
Paul Burnett is making the point that theres no reason to make WAR like WoW. That game already exists. Make your own game, make the game you think people will want to play.
Oh dear, how the quotes get messier with each post.
You'd have to be pretty narrow minded to judge the entire balance of all the classes on ONE tree. Yes, one.
I'm not going to pretend I know all the other classes with great detail but each and everyone of them has their own real concerns and grouses. I also have a warlock ; no complaints from me whatsoever. I'm also a shaman player ; we still hardly bring much to the table in terms of instances and raiding and hell, we're getting our WF totem nerfed soon. Regardless, you just CAN'T say a video game class is out of your control when you're a professional developer. It's either you WANT to fix it or not. The ball is in Kalgan's court and paladins aren't asking for 1-hit KO abilities from him.
FIrst of all, don't put words in my mouth. I never told a paladin to shut up. Every class has its problems, including my class. If there is a problem (And I say IF, just because some people think their class is underpowered doesn't always mean it is), it will be fixed in time. But there are many things to take into consideration and you can't just fix it in one day.
Yeah yeah, "Rome wasn't built in one day lewlzzzz". That excuse is SO tired out. It took them so long to get 1.12, only to mess it up again. And they even dared to nerf paladins' mana efficiency, which is pretty much their ace card. No one's telling Blizzard to be perfect and squeaky clean but it has been YEARS. But if you want to be an apologist, that's your choice. History will determine that I'm right yet again.
I never said they are bad players, don't put words in my mouth.
There are now multiple ways to get epic equipment. Through factions, crafting, heroic dungeons, pvp and raiding. If you don't want to raid, you don't have to, but you seem to ignore that fact on purpose.
Arena and crafted gear performs very, very well against raid gear.
Ways of which, as I've pointed out, are becoming obsolete. Crafting? Hammer of the Naaru for example is pretty much superior to Deep Thunder for paladins. Where are the new recipes to match Black Temple drops? But of course, they do have the ability to somewhat think logically and unveiled the second season Arena with upgraded equipment, I'll give you that much. They did after all make a mistake with Grand/Field Marshal gear not scaling to AQ and subsequently Naxxramas in the past.
The original argument here isn't about raider vs non raider. It was you taking offense to my McD comment. Did I say McD sucks? No, I eat it all the time since it's relatively tasty and accessible. But it's not healthy nor is it among the best types of food in the world. That's how WoW is in the genre as a whole. The Beatles however, were and still are, legendary and took the world by storm and their music transcends almost everything, for GENERATIONS.
If anyone thinks WoW's legacy can hold a candle to that, I feel sorry for them.
I love when people claim that Blizzard is so great at fixing bugs yet right before TBC launched there was still a bug bad enough in the game (that was in at launch) it would cause people to have to relog to clear it. That was after atleast 2-3 patches supposedly fixing the problem.
What bug? Rogue Vanish.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
GL Why did you glaze over my facts? About how EQ1 actually had an equal if not higher % of the market place then WoW does? That doesn't really support your WoW is better arguement.
IT is comparable to Movie sales adjusted for Inflation. That gives a whole different look at what the best selling movies of all time are.
Because you made up the numbers, they are not based on factual numbers on any way or form.and aside from that..what in heavens name does the amount of internet users that tried WoW has to do with anything...?
As you can see from the example the non adjusted chart is heavily baised towards movies recently released. Where is in the adjusted chart you have to go all the way to titantic at number 6 before you get a movie released within the past decade.
The same thing can be applied to any marketplace. Except our "inflation" here in the MMO is internet access instead of actual inflation.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
GL Why did you glaze over my facts? About how EQ1 actually had an equal if not higher % of the market place then WoW does? That doesn't really support your WoW is better arguement.
IT is comparable to Movie sales adjusted for Inflation. That gives a whole different look at what the best selling movies of all time are.
Because you made up the numbers, they are not based on factual numbers on any way or form.and aside from that..what in heavens name does the amount of internet users that tried WoW has to do with anything...?
I did not make up the Numbers!
It matters because marketshare is a much better indicator then just raw numbers.
For instance what if there was only 1 million total potential MMO customers in the Whole world when EQ1 was launched and they got around 500K of them. Well that would be a huge accomplishment compared to What World Of Warcraft has done.
The numbers support that they both have at least been equally successful in their respective marketplaces.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Oh dear, how the quotes get messier with each post.
You'd have to be pretty narrow minded to judge the entire balance of all the classes on ONE tree. Yes, one. I'm not going to pretend I know all the other classes with great detail but each and everyone of them has their own real concerns and grouses. I also have a warlock ; no complaints from me whatsoever. I'm also a shaman player ; we still hardly bring much to the table in terms of instances and raiding and hell, we're getting our WF totem nerfed soon. Regardless, you just CAN'T say a video game class is out of your control when you're a professional developer. It's either you WANT to fix it or not. The ball is in Kalgan's court and paladins aren't asking for 1-hit KO abilities from him. The fact a developer said its beyond his controll is a PR issue. Also, the shamans in my guild have plenty of things to bring to the instance. We put a shaman in every group because of the totem buffs and the backup heal. if WF gets nerfed, than there is probably a good reason for that. FIrst of all, don't put words in my mouth. I never told a paladin to shut up. Every class has its problems, including my class. If there is a problem (And I say IF, just because some people think their class is underpowered doesn't always mean it is), it will be fixed in time. But there are many things to take into consideration and you can't just fix it in one day. Yeah yeah, "Rome wasn't built in one day lewlzzzz". That excuse is SO tired out. It took them so long to get 1.12, only to mess it up again. And they even dared to nerf paladins' mana efficiency, which is pretty much their ace card. No one's telling Blizzard to be perfect and squeaky clean but it has been YEARS. But if you want to be an apologist, that's your choice. History will determine that I'm right yet again. As I said, it takes very long to perfectly balance the classes. Also my main is a warrior, and I don't even bother to fight paladins, not even in a duel, because I already know the outcome: Paladin wins. The survival rate of Paladin is just insane. Heck, Paladins can even be the main healer in normal instances, replacing the role of the priest. I never said they are bad players, don't put words in my mouth.
There are now multiple ways to get epic equipment. Through factions, crafting, heroic dungeons, pvp and raiding. If you don't want to raid, you don't have to, but you seem to ignore that fact on purpose. Arena and crafted gear performs very, very well against raid gear. Ways of which, as I've pointed out, are becoming obsolete. Crafting? Hammer of the Naaru for example is pretty much superior to Deep Thunder for paladins. Where are the new recipes to match Black Temple drops? But of course, they do have the ability to somewhat think logically and unveiled the second season Arena with upgraded equipment, I'll give you that much. They did after all make a mistake with Grand/Field Marshal gear not scaling to AQ and subsequently Naxxramas in the past. Even if raiding gear is slightly stronger then non raiding gear, the difference really isn't as much as you make it sound. I'm a warrior in pvp with a crafted weapon and I have no problem fighting against raiders.
The original argument here isn't about raider vs non raider. It was you taking offense to my McD comment. Did I say McD sucks? No, I eat it all the time since it's relatively tasty and accessible. But it's not healthy nor is it among the best types of food in the world. That's how WoW is in the genre as a whole. The Beatles however, were and still are, legendary and took the world by storm and their music transcends almost everything, for GENERATIONS. If anyone thinks WoW's legacy can hold a candle to that, I feel sorry for them. And you're trying to say World of Warcraft did not take the gaming industry by storm? Ofcourse the success is not as big as the beatles because the gaming industry, especialy the MMO industry, is much, much smaller. But Blizzards games have always been played for many gaming generations. DIablo 2 and Warcraft 3 are still widely played today, and let not even begin about Starcraft. WoW is even more successfull than all those games combined.
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To millions of players WOW is probably the best game ever in their eyes, in some of your eyes you see it as the worse, its an old debate already and people will see what they wanna see. I enjoy WOW right now, i have some friends who don't like it, don't really care what they like or don't honestly....i guess i wonder why even stress out about it? blizzard made a game they wanted to be fun for people and for alot of people it is, just find a game you have fun with and quit worring about what everyone else is doing.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
WoW is like Clay Aiken
1: Better
2: more popular
than WoW, and its not. hence WoW is the beatles.
Unless you're MMO career began in 2004, you'd know Everquest is better than WOW. Granted WOW is a fine title but let's not get silly here.
BTW...never compare WOW to the Beatles..
Do you have anything to back it up? Oh nevermind, I know you don't. you just post your opinion and you make the mistake to think that its fact. Its not. WoW is better than Everquest, there is a good reason why the vast majority of critics gave it higher scores than Everquest. Just because you like Everquest better does not make EQ a better game than WoW.
Again WOW is a good title but let's be realistic...
If you're going to challenge one of the masters of this genre you better bring more ammo than subscription numbers and revisionist hyperbole. There's a diffrence between really good and Legendary I suggest you do some research.
Dutchess Zarraa Voltayre
Reborn/Zero Sum/Ancient Legacy/Jagged Legion/Feared/Nuke & Pave.
wow is like backstreet boy
they died fast.
Which FF Character Are You?
whats really funny is if WOW wasn't so huge in subs people wouldn't even be arguing about it, they would be arguing about what ever other game is huge and how it supposedly ruined mmo's.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
- Lewis Thomas
To millions of players WOW is probably the best game ever in their eyes, in some of your eyes you see it as the worse, its an old debate already and people will see what they wanna see. I enjoy WOW right now, i have some friends who don't like it, don't really care what they like or don't honestly....i guess i wonder why even stress out about it? blizzard made a game they wanted to be fun for people and for alot of people it is, just find a game you have fun with and quit worring about what everyone else is doing.
"You guys".. i'm not one of those guys. I like what i like, and i don't backup my claims with other peoples opinions.
1: Better
2: more popular
than WoW, and its not. hence WoW is the beatles.
Unless you're MMO career began in 2004, you'd know Everquest is better than WOW. Granted WOW is a fine title but let's not get silly here.
BTW...never compare WOW to the Beatles..
Do you have anything to back it up? Oh nevermind, I know you don't. you just post your opinion and you make the mistake to think that its fact. Its not. WoW is better than Everquest, there is a good reason why the vast majority of critics gave it higher scores than Everquest. Just because you like Everquest better does not make EQ a better game than WoW.
Again WOW is a good title but let's be realistic...
If you're going to challenge one of the masters of this genre you better bring more ammo than subscription numbers and revisionist hyperbole. There's a diffrence between really good and Legendary I suggest you do some research.
Zarraa, If you're not going to back it up with facts then don't go into debate with me, EQ's Group encounters are better in YOUR OPINION, everything you mention is nothing but your opinion.
Learn that your opinion is not fact. it isn't, and it never will be. If Everquest truly was as good as WoW, it would have received better ratings. but it didn't, and there is a good reason for that.
Ofcourse, the thought "its a bad game because I say so, My opinion is fact!!" is better thinking, right?
Ofcourse, the thought "its a bad game because I say so, My opinion is fact!!" is better thinking, right?
Of course it is? i go by my own opinions, not by what other people say.
Interesting post which has no value whatsoever, battle of the fan bois not the bands.
The Beetles are Unique and ground breaking and backed up what they were with original content. A certain game cannot be considered in that context so under no circumstances should they be compared. People can try but again it's like comparing black and white, sorry just a lame thread amusing but lame.
All that you can attribute to "A certain game" is that it has set the MMO genre back 10 years and taken the challenge back out of games I guess it's back to MUDS and my own imagination.
________________________________________________________
Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Ofcourse, the thought "its a bad game because I say so, My opinion is fact!!" is better thinking, right?
Of course it is? i go by my own opinions, not by what other people say.
Ofcourse you should play the game you enjoy, thats not what I said. But when pointing out a quality of a game, that opinion means little.
There are other games I like better than WoW, but you don't see mee making posts "X game is better than WoW!". Because I know it isnt
LOL I think wow is more like the rolling stones, copied all the blues artist w/o ever admitting to it, still try too make music that just plain suxx ass because there all old and rehashed burnout drug addicts
playing eq2 and two worlds
Most of the old EQers seem to be to be like old men moaning about how things were better in the old day, and how music now is all 'noise'...regardless of how many people like the 'noice'...
I haven't played WoW for a year, and i'll probably never play it again. But i recognise that its the most successful game out there, and will be for a long while year. All these stories of 'Wow is dying' are rubbish, sure subs might fall a bit, but theres still going to be millions of players.
Paul Burnett is making the point that theres no reason to make WAR like WoW. That game already exists. Make your own game, make the game you think people will want to play.
GL Why did you glaze over my facts? About how EQ1 actually had an equal if not higher % of the market place then WoW does?
That doesn't really support your WoW is better arguement.
IT is comparable to Movie sales adjusted for Inflation. That gives a whole different look at what the best selling movies of all time are.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Oh dear, how the quotes get messier with each post.
You'd have to be pretty narrow minded to judge the entire balance of all the classes on ONE tree. Yes, one.
I'm not going to pretend I know all the other classes with great detail but each and everyone of them has their own real concerns and grouses. I also have a warlock ; no complaints from me whatsoever. I'm also a shaman player ; we still hardly bring much to the table in terms of instances and raiding and hell, we're getting our WF totem nerfed soon. Regardless, you just CAN'T say a video game class is out of your control when you're a professional developer. It's either you WANT to fix it or not. The ball is in Kalgan's court and paladins aren't asking for 1-hit KO abilities from him.
FIrst of all, don't put words in my mouth. I never told a paladin to shut up. Every class has its problems, including my class. If there is a problem (And I say IF, just because some people think their class is underpowered doesn't always mean it is), it will be fixed in time. But there are many things to take into consideration and you can't just fix it in one day.
Yeah yeah, "Rome wasn't built in one day lewlzzzz". That excuse is SO tired out. It took them so long to get 1.12, only to mess it up again. And they even dared to nerf paladins' mana efficiency, which is pretty much their ace card. No one's telling Blizzard to be perfect and squeaky clean but it has been YEARS. But if you want to be an apologist, that's your choice. History will determine that I'm right yet again.
I never said they are bad players, don't put words in my mouth.
There are now multiple ways to get epic equipment. Through factions, crafting, heroic dungeons, pvp and raiding. If you don't want to raid, you don't have to, but you seem to ignore that fact on purpose.
Arena and crafted gear performs very, very well against raid gear.
Ways of which, as I've pointed out, are becoming obsolete. Crafting? Hammer of the Naaru for example is pretty much superior to Deep Thunder for paladins. Where are the new recipes to match Black Temple drops? But of course, they do have the ability to somewhat think logically and unveiled the second season Arena with upgraded equipment, I'll give you that much. They did after all make a mistake with Grand/Field Marshal gear not scaling to AQ and subsequently Naxxramas in the past.The original argument here isn't about raider vs non raider. It was you taking offense to my McD comment. Did I say McD sucks? No, I eat it all the time since it's relatively tasty and accessible. But it's not healthy nor is it among the best types of food in the world. That's how WoW is in the genre as a whole. The Beatles however, were and still are, legendary and took the world by storm and their music transcends almost everything, for GENERATIONS.
If anyone thinks WoW's legacy can hold a candle to that, I feel sorry for them.
I love when people claim that Blizzard is so great at fixing bugs yet right before TBC launched there was still a bug bad enough in the game (that was in at launch) it would cause people to have to relog to clear it. That was after atleast 2-3 patches supposedly fixing the problem.
What bug? Rogue Vanish.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Because you made up the numbers, they are not based on factual numbers on any way or form.and aside from that..what in heavens name does the amount of internet users that tried WoW has to do with anything...?
Too show you what I meant in my example about the movies:
Here is the list adjusted for inflation:
And here is the list not adjusted :
As you can see from the example the non adjusted chart is heavily baised towards movies recently released. Where is in the adjusted chart you have to go all the way to titantic at number 6 before you get a movie released within the past decade.
The same thing can be applied to any marketplace. Except our "inflation" here in the MMO is internet access instead of actual inflation.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
Ultima Online was the elvis
EQ was the beatles
WoW is Take That.
W.A.R is GWAR.
This man is wise...kinda.
Because you made up the numbers, they are not based on factual numbers on any way or form.and aside from that..what in heavens name does the amount of internet users that tried WoW has to do with anything...?
I did not make up the Numbers!It matters because marketshare is a much better indicator then just raw numbers.
For instance what if there was only 1 million total potential MMO customers in the Whole world when EQ1 was launched and they got around 500K of them. Well that would be a huge accomplishment compared to What World Of Warcraft has done.
The numbers support that they both have at least been equally successful in their respective marketplaces.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
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