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Ofcourse not, do you honnestly think that Mythic is going to openly announce "Well, we decided to rip off WoW"?But if you want to believe that its all mere coincidence, then be my guest.
So Warhammer Online is copying World of Warcraft because World of Warcraft did such a good job of copying Warhammer?
Ofcourse not, do you honnestly think that Mythic is going to openly announce "Well, we decided to rip off WoW"?But if you want to believe that its all mere coincidence, then be my guest.
So Warhammer Online is copying World of Warcraft because World of Warcraft did such a good job of copying Warhammer?
Mythic is trying to copy Blizzard, yes.
I dunno I think they both look very different,
Warhammer is WAR. It is not like WoW because there are no fishing, or collecting various of useless items to help you get money or what not. It is grittier and darker and everything in the game is for the war effort.
I'm unsure why everybody seems to think that they are a WoW copycat when the gameplay mechanics are about the same from every other MMO out there.
Ofc. Blizzard copied the best stuff from everyone else, made it into something good that works... now Mythic is taking it a step further. They would be mad not to.
*edit* Clone discussions are just a waste of time, WoW wasnt exactly 100% original if that's what ppl think (and ofc this is what alot ppl think since WoW brought us millions of first time MMOers who thinks WoW is the mother of the genre)
Sweeet im happy you posted i think the WAR fanboies are getting a tad over zealous. Just saying that WAr does look quite a bit like WoW, if you look at the human/chaos/elves however not as much. Greenskins look like green skins ya know. Still the focus of this game is not end game raiding for phat lootz that blizzard will nerf by puttign in newer phatter lootz in 8 months time. The goal is to DESTROY your enemy , take over their city and kill or capture their leader.
Still there are soem end game pve dungeons, and over all mythic is takign alot from DAOC, WOW, and EQ. That how it is, still the game doesn't look like a copy of anygame in play style so...
3. All class's are unique (Thats 32 individual class types)
Wrong, they all still fall into the 5 class types, tank, caster,pet,healer,dps
Well , they are all different , just not 100% unique. (like they all melee and/or spell cast etc. mythic not reinventing the wheel here).
I doubt it uses the DAoC engine
It does its the gamebyro i believe but its like version 8.6 or some crazy higher number than was used for DAOC. (Think like photoshop or DXdirect version upgrades means similar but possible entirely new / re-vamped code)
7. Public quest system allowing you to join in a quest going on in an area without waiting for a dozen other guys to turn up. Fancy grind, its still kill x, repeat y... only with a little scripted sequence at the end, then it starts over.
This is an anti- must have big guild and raid thing. Basiclly its a raid encounter but without the need for groups / well orginized group and without the need for a ton of play time. It also easly accesable.
6. Everything you do impacts on the war that is going on all around you.
Yes killing this bear will help loads.
It will, well maybe no loads , but all things done boost your sides VP i believe or open up npcs/paths/etc to help you with the fight.
5. Areas adjust to who has control, all zone areas count towards end game and zone.
The PvP areas, but not the PvE areas.
Thank god i like harcore pvp , but not all the time so i settle with the ability to choose to pvp or not being better , this way i can still level if i don't feel like pvp that moment. Otherwise i would have to pvp becuase well there would be no place to level.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
LOL What game exactly does not take their game mechanics from every other game out there? The IP content is the only thing that is is unique in WOW from the rest of the universe of games we have out there. There can only be one true orginal and as much as a shock it may be to many fanbois of WOW, WOW was not the big bang of the universe or come before the egg.
Sweeet im happy you posted i think the WAR fanboies are getting a tad over zealous. Just saying that WAr does look quite a bit like WoW, if you look at the human/chaos/elves however not as much. Greenskins look like green skins ya know.
Of course they look similar - they're both based on the Warhammer art style. Would you have used a different style for Warhammer Online?
My father looks a lot like me - same jaw shape, same color hair and eyes, almost exactly the same nose. That doesn't mean he's copying me.
Sweeet im happy you posted i think the WAR fanboies are getting a tad over zealous. Just saying that WAr does look quite a bit like WoW, if you look at the human/chaos/elves however not as much. Greenskins look like green skins ya know.
Of course they look similar - they're both based on the Warhammer art style. Would you have used a different style for Warhammer Online?
My father looks a lot like me - same jaw shape, same color hair and eyes, almost exactly the same nose. That doesn't mean he's copying me.
YES BUT THEY COULD HAVE DONE MORE REALISTIC HIGHER REZZ models , but they didn't . And this is fine , good idea less lag etc. But, a lot of the art still looks like WoWs, THATS A FACT. No matter whos IP was first WoW was an MMO first. these are things you simply can not ignore.Still do i giva NOPE not a bit. But some people will. You can rationalize all day long (IE. WARHAMMER ip was stolen), but it will not change the fact that most people feel WAR copied WoW, and they did in many ways . MORE instanced RVR is one example (well maybe it was GW whatever) Still DAOC had insatnced rvr it was just open to unlimited numbers, but mythic went the was of WoW here to support balanced RVR, just like WoW did.
Whats this mean ... Nothing , why WoW stole most of its content from other mmos, so what. They didn't copy and paste and neiter is WAR , but people will draw comparisons.
And technically YOU DID COPY YOUR FATHER , THATS HOW GENES WORK. WEll parts of him.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
WoW is just another DaoC/EQ/Guildwars clone with a ripped off Warhammer lore.
No, he's copying me. I was the first one to play MMOs. That means my father looks like me because he's copying me.
Sweeet im happy you posted i think the WAR fanboies are getting a tad over zealous. Just saying that WAr does look quite a bit like WoW, if you look at the human/chaos/elves however not as much. Greenskins look like green skins ya know.
Of course they look similar - they're both based on the Warhammer art style. Would you have used a different style for Warhammer Online?
My father looks a lot like me - same jaw shape, same color hair and eyes, almost exactly the same nose. That doesn't mean he's copying me.
YES BUT THEY COULD HAVE DONE MORE REALISTIC HIGHER REZZ models , but they didn't . And this is fine , good idea less lag etc. But, a lot of the art still looks like WoWs, THATS A FACT. No matter whos IP was first WoW was an MMO first. these are things you simply can not ignore.Still do i giva NOPE not a bit. But some people will. You can rationalize all day long (IE. WARHAMMER ip was stolen), but it will not change the fact that most people feel WAR copied WoW, and they did in many ways . MORE instanced RVR is one example (well maybe it was GW whatever) Still DAOC had insatnced rvr it was just open to unlimited numbers, but mythic went the was of WoW here to support balanced RVR, just like WoW did.
Whats this mean ... Nothing , why WoW stole most of its content from other mmos, so what. They didn't copy and paste and neiter is WAR , but people will draw comparisons.
And technically YOU DID COPY YOUR FATHER , THATS HOW GENES WORK. WEll parts of him.
I'd like to see how you intend to prove this a fact, because I don't see too many similarities in the art direction. Perhaps some people don't really see the differences because they are only looking for the blatantly obvious. Warhammer dwarfs have beards OMG thats such a rip off. If someones artistic view is so subjectively limited then I can understand the above statement of the art looking like WoWs.
Sorry but I just totally disagree with it looking like World of Warcraft it terms of the art.
Thats fine but the proof is in the pudding as some say.
How about the 100s of people who come on WAr forums and say WAR stole WoWs looks. Proof is in the pudding. I prove it by the fact that tons of pother people also feel WAR looks like WoW. Thus Many people do feel that WAR looks like WoW.
And if i go to WoW forums and post pics they will say it does... becuase honestly while somewhat different they do look similar.
Look at the post just in this thread alone amny people don't even argue they do not look similar , instead they rationalize that WoW stole the looks from WArhammer and then maby add but WAR looks better. (well wow is 3 years old it should not look as good).
Go to the AOC forum and looks for AoC stole WoW graphic engine posts... i have not seen any (while you might find one, there are 100s on the war forums, and that is what i am talking about.) The simile fact is many many people feel WAR looks very much like WOW and they are right for many rationalized reason we have seen and others less admited. Such as WoW stole Warhammers ip and looks , that it did , so what WAR still looks like the older MMO WoW Because of it.
The art is not 100% copy , nothing like that you just can see many similarities all and the result is WAR art lookign much like an upgraded version of WoWs. I have a great example: the below linked thread is of the new lighting system with and w/o the lighting , they were posted by Alienovrlord and if you look at the links on the op you'll think so what. Well , a pairing of the SS were WOW screen shots , thats right they were that hard to tell apart someone did notice them (Thunder_head) but I believe it was after going to the webpage itself (at least their post indicate this). You could tell a difference between the WoW and WAR , but only when you really looked. Then agian these are just static , non character model shots. But still the fact that the mistake was made and i am sure people viewed all of those without realizing one was WoW is pretty good evidence of the similarities. Still im not saying they are the same , they just often look similar and feel alike and thus a lot of the art still looks like WoWs, THATS A FACT.
PS, Fanboies what ya gonna do? - oh this may be a misguided jack but oh well.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Ofcourse not, do you honnestly think that Mythic is going to openly announce "Well, we decided to rip off WoW"?But if you want to believe that its all mere coincidence, then be my guest.
One of your poorer arguments Gameloading, you can do better than this....They actually don't look all that alike to my practiced eye..but maybe others are less discerning than me....
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Well, if people say so, it must be true. Because people are never wrong.
I take it you and Gameloading took the same logic course. Your instructor should be fired.
What was original about WoW? It took all the good aspects of a bunch of other games and put them in one game....
Makes me laugh when people compare new games to WoW, like WoW was the start of the MMO world, hell with out M59, UO, EQ, DOAC, AC, and the likes, there would never have been a WoW.
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Content as in orcs and dwarfs.. because thats all they share.
And to twist your comment.. ahem..
There would be no Warhammer Age of Reckoning if Blizzard did not make WoW and bring millions into the genre, You can thank blizzard for WAR.
Well, if people say so, it must be true. Because people are never wrong.
I take it you and Gameloading took the same logic course. Your instructor should be fired.
Just to add to this, one of my favourite sayings:"What is right isn't always popular; what is popular isn't always right."
Too often people confuse what is popular with what is right, from factual to moral issues. I also believe that too often people make misguided judgments based upon scant/incomplete information.
Anyway, you will not win me over with an argument based upon popularity of opinion, because that assumes I believe the opinion of everyone has merit - it often does not. Opinions are cheap - everyone has one. The trick is figuring out whose matter.
WAR looks like WoW in as much as dogs look like cats - if you look at things in only the broadest of strokes you will always find similarities (wow, dogs and cats both have four leg, a tail, and fur!), but when you look at all closely you will see staggering differences that make forming an equality ludicrous.
It's really to early to say " OH MY GOD WAR ALPHA/BETA GFXS ARE THE SAME AS WoW OH MY GOD OH MY GOD COYP PONY NOT PLAYING" Most don't know what alpha and beta mean and hell there lightings are not even in the game yet( watch this video http://mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/videos/gameID/239/videoId/1096 at the end is what i was talking about lighting)
Even before the lighting the game still looks 75% better then WoW. Get your facts right before flaming
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Well, if people say so, it must be true. Because people are never wrong.
I take it you and Gameloading took the same logic course. Your instructor should be fired.
Just to add to this, one of my favourite sayings:"What is right isn't always popular; what is popular isn't always right."
Too often people confuse what is popular with what is right, from factual to moral issues. I also believe that too often people make misguided judgments based upon scant/incomplete information.
Anyway, you will not win me over with an argument based upon popularity of opinion, because that assumes I believe the opinion of everyone has merit - it often does not. Opinions are cheap - everyone has one. The trick is figuring out whose matter.
WAR looks like WoW in as much as dogs look like cats - if you look at things in only the broadest of strokes you will always find similarities (wow, dogs and cats both have four leg, a tail, and fur!), but when you look at all closely you will see staggering differences that make forming an equality ludicrous.
QFE....
You really have to have a closer look at the game to make those kind of judgements. I think it's sad that people glance at a single clip and make such broad determinations. Some of these kiddies don't understand that there was a world before WoW. sad
Thats fine but the proof is in the pudding as some say.
How about the 100s of people who come on WAr forums and say WAR stole WoWs looks. Proof is in the pudding. I prove it by the fact that tons of pother people also feel WAR looks like WoW. Thus Many people do feel that WAR looks like WoW.
And if i go to WoW forums and post pics they will say it does... becuase honestly while somewhat different they do look similar.
Look at the post just in this thread alone amny people don't even argue they do not look similar , instead they rationalize that WoW stole the looks from WArhammer and then maby add but WAR looks better. (well wow is 3 years old it should not look as good).
Go to the AOC forum and looks for AoC stole WoW graphic engine posts... i have not seen any (while you might find one, there are 100s on the war forums, and that is what i am talking about.) The simile fact is many many people feel WAR looks very much like WOW and they are right for many rationalized reason we have seen and others less admited. Such as WoW stole Warhammers ip and looks , that it did , so what WAR still looks like the older MMO WoW Because of it.
The art is not 100% copy , nothing like that you just can see many similarities all and the result is WAR art lookign much like an upgraded version of WoWs. I have a great example: the below linked thread is of the new lighting system with and w/o the lighting , they were posted by Alienovrlord and if you look at the links on the op you'll think so what. Well , a pairing of the SS were WOW screen shots , thats right they were that hard to tell apart someone did notice them (Thunder_head) but I believe it was after going to the webpage itself (at least their post indicate this). You could tell a difference between the WoW and WAR , but only when you really looked. Then agian these are just static , non character model shots. But still the fact that the mistake was made and i am sure people viewed all of those without realizing one was WoW is pretty good evidence of the similarities. Still im not saying they are the same , they just often look similar and feel alike and thus a lot of the art still looks like WoWs, THATS A FACT.
PS, Fanboies what ya gonna do? - oh this may be a misguided jack but oh well.
I still do not see any proof in your statements here. You are just saying that others say it looks like WoW. That doesn't make it fact. The people that come to the WAR forums to say it looks like WoW. My guess is they do that just to troll or to be deconstructive. Usually it's people I believe that do not really observe the images completely, or glance over a couple and like I said earlier make judgements from the blatantly obvious. I don't defend WAR nor WoW, but WAR looks closer to Daoc than WoW.
You say you will go to the WoW forums gives me a chuckle. That wouldn't be biased would it?
This has nothing to do with AoC so I dont understand why you would have to bring that game's art direction into this. This isn't a debate of what AoC has or has not done.
Your only example was an environmental shot with some bare-bone skeletons in it. I am not impressed. There's a post in this thread with actual image comparisons between the two (character models) and I have one too that I always post. If you actually look at those and cannot tell which one is WoW and the other is WAR then you need to look into finding a good optometrist.
Also to add, art direction encompasses more than just textures and models used. Warhammer is far darker with less saturated colors than WoW.
In the end it's basically subjective. They have similarities, like humans have arms and legs, but in the art direction WAR goes more along the lines of DAOC and Warhammer itself.
Content as in orcs and dwarfs.. because thats all they share.
And to twist your comment.. ahem..
There would be no Warhammer Age of Reckoning if Blizzard did not make WoW and bring millions into the genre, You can thank blizzard for WAR.
Actuually its more than orks and Dwarfs that are the same. They have elves and humans too and WoW and war both have a portal that is the source of magic in the world where the great enermy is trying to come through.
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Content as in orcs and dwarfs.. because thats all they share.
And to twist your comment.. ahem..
There would be no Warhammer Age of Reckoning if Blizzard did not make WoW and bring millions into the genre, You can thank blizzard for WAR.
You forgot about the part were Warhammer 40k mmo was planned for around 2002/3 but was dropped, THQ has picked it up and a WAR fantasy mmo was being planned for 2004/5 at we see now WAR AoR
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I just cannot believe anyone is still debating this. Warhammer came long before Warcraft, so any claim of similarity only shows that Warcraft is using Warhammer as inspiration.
Seriously, people.
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TRUE!
WoW is but a child in the shadow of the Warhammer IP.