As this topic haven't really engaged me I haven't made any comment about this so far. However I now felt it was time to just drop by and leave a little comment. So here we go. From what I've seen so far on these forums and the various topics about graphics it seems like there is two categories of pictures.]
The ones that don't look very good, these seems to the most common ones. These are the ones that I get slightly put off when seeing, but I still stick to my original statement that it's the gameplay. The ones that look quite good, these seems to be the more uncommon ones and I only see them in topics about graphics. The pictures got nice lightning, isn't very pixelated and looks quite good actually.
So what does this have to do with anything? Well as it is now I suppose the newer people who haven't been around checking out WAR for so long go to WAR's page and see these crappy pictures and think "Thats bloody awful!". They then go and make a topic here and get flamed and some people post some pictures that look good in return. I saw some comment around these forums (probably this topic) that the pictures so far don't have lightning effects and are from beta, meaning that the pictures released aren't from the finished game. Now if this is correct, and it seems like it is so to me, then I wonder why do Mythic do this? It's obvious that this is making lots of people who were considering buying the game, reconsider and not buy it. Mythic have before, at least in my opinion, proved that they got a strange view on advertising; so far they've released mostly videos to show off RvR for press and so, meaning they haven't showed the full potential of RvR. If this is true then I'm happy because that means PvP and RvR will be awesome, but for Mythic it's a terrible decision. So if what I've mentioned above is true then I wonder what are Mythic doing!? You could think of it in two ways; either RvR and graphics will be as we see them now or RvR and graphics will be better, but Mythic has proved that they aren't the best to show off the good sides of their game. I personally don't think Mythic is as stupid as they seem from the conclusions I've made here, yet it seems like they are. Someone could clear some things up here because to me this seems very strange and stupid from a company, whose main job in the end is to make money.
Exactly...I don`t understand Mythic PR neither.There's Barnett who is always over hyping the game"We can't beat the Beatles so we going to be Led Zepplin" then they post a crappy VOTM in January(even if they said that this is not a real RvR).It was more Oasis than Led Zep to my taste I see it rather normal that some people are asking questions about the /artworks/graphics.I want to know if they want people who has no idea who they are and what is Warhammer to believe that the end product will be crap?
So I don`t understand why some people are aggressive towards the OP...anyway,OP here is what the final product will probably look like.Its a video from one of the last year conventions
Why hello really old and annoying topic that only an idiot who only cares about graphics would post!
Tbh I have to look at the graphics while playing so they are a really important part for me. If I don't find a character I think looks kool and if I don't like the look of the world or feel like the animations arn't smooth enough then that's a real big downer for me. So seeing as the graphics are what you see then obviously they are a big deal and people are going to carea bout them. People get technical mixed up with artistic and to me if the art is soooo bad I can't feel attached to my character and can't play the game.
Most the comments I see on sites that matter like IGN and Gamesport and Gametrailers etc etc.... the sites where the target mass audience is are things like "looks crap" or "looks like WOW" or "animations look poor" etc etc.
I havnt read much of this topic (It's a mile long!) so I appologise if this was posted earlier, anyway; Imagine trying to play crysis even with minimum graphics with 80 players on the screen at the same time... The thing is, an mmo will always be weaker in graphics, mainly due to the fact that it's made to render well even when filled with players with random gear and so on. A company that makes a high end mmorpg will find themselves lacking customers, mainly because people can't run their game. In short: either you make a game scale down to even the worst pcs, or you wont have any customers.
Personally I think that from watching some vids on youtube and seeing the screen shots that the graphics for war are better than most games out now. Yes it is done is a style that resembles the war table top game but that is to be expected. War is the one game that I am truely dying to play. I am bored with all the other games on the market atm. And I too look at graphics when selecting games because I want my char to look cool as well, and the war chars that I have seen amaze me to say the least. But that is just one older gamers thoughts on it since I started back in the day with uo maybe thats just me lol
Personally I think that from watching some vids on youtube and seeing the screen shots that the graphics for war are better than most games out now. Yes it is done is a style that resembles the war table top game but that is to be expected. War is the one game that I am truely dying to play. I am bored with all the other games on the market atm. And I too look at graphics when selecting games because I want my char to look cool as well, and the war chars that I have seen amaze me to say the least. But that is just one older gamers thoughts on it since I started back in the day with uo maybe thats just me lol
Why hello really old and annoying topic that only an idiot who only cares about graphics would post!
Tbh I have to look at the graphics while playing so they are a really important part for me. If I don't find a character I think looks kool and if I don't like the look of the world or feel like the animations arn't smooth enough then that's a real big downer for me. So seeing as the graphics are what you see then obviously they are a big deal and people are going to carea bout them. People get technical mixed up with artistic and to me if the art is soooo bad I can't feel attached to my character and can't play the game.
Most the comments I see on sites that matter like IGN and Gamesport and Gametrailers etc etc.... the sites where the target mass audience is are things like "looks crap" or "looks like WOW" or "animations look poor" etc etc.
And yet...none of these people have actualy played the game. None of these people have seen it on a live computer...they've not seen the options for themselves to see that its in Beta and you can't choose the highest resolutions. Beta & Alpha's NEVER have high resolution on. Internal testing will for the purpose of 'testing' but they don't need Game Testers for graphics testing. AoC is the only game I can remember thats main focus testing was techincal and you know why that is? Because they're using DX10 and DX9 they have way more testing that needs to be done in order to get proper system requirements on the box other than that this whole topic IS worthless.
You wait for Open & Release and then come tell me if you think the graphics are crap. If your dumb enough to go by player reviews off of beta screen shots then to be honest I'm more than happy not to have you on any server I play on.
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The graphics of this game do put me off, regardless of how high resolution they can go, just the basic look is bad. Of coarse that doesn't mean it will fail. I don't plan on playing it until there's a free trial though.
Definately like the style and it is the way I remember the tabletop game. Polygon count looks low though. Just look at the wrists and hands for example. On the other hand, Ive no clue what quality setting this is of course.
Also not convinced yet about the PVE part (from what Ive read on their website and seen in the movies). Not really fan of lvlbased and gearbased games in general. Never had to deal with that when playing the tabletop version either
I am rather pleased with WAR's graphics at this point. I think it has a good look. However, I can understand why you feel this way because many others do as well.
I Like the style of the game i like the walking animations ive seen
but the combat animations look kinda shite from what ive seen but that will be worked out eventualy id assume i think some people get graphics and animations mixed up and ive read that the game is set
to low settings for some reason somewhere so they dont look as good as they can.
meh anyway COMBAT animations need work thats the only thing i seen i didnt like.
I guess I must be blind, because those graphics certainly don't look like WoW's. It's too bad they won't be as good as LoTRO's, but that again is speculation.
And seriously, who cares about the graphics? As long its a modern engine the game is ok to play. There is nothing more irratating then good graphics and lame gameplay. Both would be fun, but i choose gameplay over graphics any day. And WAR graphics is not that bad.
I'm not paying my ass of for a ''decent-looking'' game. I agree graphics arn't the main factor in a game, though they shouldn't be forgotten. 15€ a month + retail box for a decent game is getting old. I want good return for my money, and wont say yes to yet another common MMO.
EA M, I want better graphics than you are offering now!!
And seriously, who cares about the graphics? As long its a modern engine the game is ok to play. There is nothing more irratating then good graphics and lame gameplay. Both would be fun, but i choose gameplay over graphics any day. And WAR graphics is not that bad.
I'm not paying my ass of for a ''decent-looking'' game. I agree graphics arn't the main factor in a game, though they shouldn't be forgotten. 15€ a month + retail box for a decent game is getting old. I want good return for my money, and wont say yes to yet another common MMO.
EA M, I want better graphics than you are offering now!!
I bet that when release hits we'll see higher res everything available..even Lord of the Rings didn't offer their best looking stuff during beta, stress, or open. The files were simply insane huge to download, there was a way to force them on but it only helped forcing aspects to high res.
Personally, I have to be somewhat attracted to the graphics, at least. But graphics doesn't make the game. Take EQ and WoW for example. Back in 03 and 04, I would rip ANYONE who thought WoW would be better than EQ2. I said, NO WAY!! YOUR INSANE!! The graphics makes me feel like I'm watching Barney or teletubbies or something. EQ2 looks soooo much better! It will blow WoW out of the water.
Weeellllll guess what?!?! I WAS WRONG! I beta tester EQ2 for 32 months before the game went live. I played it religiously for about 2 months after release before saying to myself, "this game plays like shyyte" The graphics are good, well mainly the terrain and cities look good, but the game just isnt fun. Granted, EQ2 wasnt even half completed at release.
Anyway, I decided to give WoW a try since all my friends and guildies jumped ship. Everyone was blown away with how great and fun the gameplay was. So, I gave it a shot and low and behold, THE GAMEPLAY WAS SUPERB!! Granted, this was back in 2005.. Now, I played WoW religiously for about a year before getting bored due to no new content for my 60 rogue.
But my point is, EQ2 looked 10x better than WoW, but WoW had much better gameplay which resulted in a more polished better game.
This is what I see with WAR. The graphics are definitely not int he same league as AoC, but I'm sure the gameplay is 10x better.
Fans of FPS games may prefer better graphics over better gameplay, but traditional MMO fans will much rather play a more polished fun game with a little outdated graphics cause were the ones who used to paly turn based rpg games like shining force, final fantasy tactics, fantasy star series,early final fantasy games, etc.. Whats important to us is a great storyline, excellent lore, and superb gameplay.
Rallithon Oakthornn (Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
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Exactly...I don`t understand Mythic PR neither.There's Barnett who is always over hyping the game"We can't beat the Beatles so we going to be Led Zepplin" then they post a crappy VOTM in January(even if they said that this is not a real RvR).It was more Oasis than Led Zep to my taste
I see it rather normal that some people are asking questions about the /artworks/graphics.I want to know if they want people who has no idea who they are and what is Warhammer to believe that the end product will be crap?
So I don`t understand why some people are aggressive towards the OP...anyway,OP here is what the final product will probably look like.Its a video from one of the last year conventions
http://war.onlinewelten.com/downloads.php?id=38
and more can be found here http://www.war-resource.com/videos.php
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Tbh I have to look at the graphics while playing so they are a really important part for me. If I don't find a character I think looks kool and if I don't like the look of the world or feel like the animations arn't smooth enough then that's a real big downer for me. So seeing as the graphics are what you see then obviously they are a big deal and people are going to carea bout them. People get technical mixed up with artistic and to me if the art is soooo bad I can't feel attached to my character and can't play the game.
Most the comments I see on sites that matter like IGN and Gamesport and Gametrailers etc etc.... the sites where the target mass audience is are things like "looks crap" or "looks like WOW" or "animations look poor" etc etc.
Imagine trying to play crysis even with minimum graphics with 80 players on the screen at the same time...
The thing is, an mmo will always be weaker in graphics, mainly due to the fact that it's made to render well even when filled with players with random gear and so on. A company that makes a high end mmorpg will find themselves lacking customers, mainly because people can't run their game. In short: either you make a game scale down to even the worst pcs, or you wont have any customers.
Personally I think that from watching some vids on youtube and seeing the screen shots that the graphics for war are better than most games out now. Yes it is done is a style that resembles the war table top game but that is to be expected. War is the one game that I am truely dying to play. I am bored with all the other games on the market atm. And I too look at graphics when selecting games because I want my char to look cool as well, and the war chars that I have seen amaze me to say the least. But that is just one older gamers thoughts on it since I started back in the day with uo maybe thats just me lol
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Tbh I have to look at the graphics while playing so they are a really important part for me. If I don't find a character I think looks kool and if I don't like the look of the world or feel like the animations arn't smooth enough then that's a real big downer for me. So seeing as the graphics are what you see then obviously they are a big deal and people are going to carea bout them. People get technical mixed up with artistic and to me if the art is soooo bad I can't feel attached to my character and can't play the game.
Most the comments I see on sites that matter like IGN and Gamesport and Gametrailers etc etc.... the sites where the target mass audience is are things like "looks crap" or "looks like WOW" or "animations look poor" etc etc.
And yet...none of these people have actualy played the game. None of these people have seen it on a live computer...they've not seen the options for themselves to see that its in Beta and you can't choose the highest resolutions. Beta & Alpha's NEVER have high resolution on. Internal testing will for the purpose of 'testing' but they don't need Game Testers for graphics testing. AoC is the only game I can remember thats main focus testing was techincal and you know why that is? Because they're using DX10 and DX9 they have way more testing that needs to be done in order to get proper system requirements on the box other than that this whole topic IS worthless.
You wait for Open & Release and then come tell me if you think the graphics are crap. If your dumb enough to go by player reviews off of beta screen shots then to be honest I'm more than happy not to have you on any server I play on.
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basically what elvenangel said.
The graphics of this game do put me off, regardless of how high resolution they can go, just the basic look is bad. Of coarse that doesn't mean it will fail. I don't plan on playing it until there's a free trial though.
Definately like the style and it is the way I remember the tabletop game. Polygon count looks low though. Just look at the wrists and hands for example. On the other hand, Ive no clue what quality setting this is of course.
Also not convinced yet about the PVE part (from what Ive read on their website and seen in the movies). Not really fan of lvlbased and gearbased games in general. Never had to deal with that when playing the tabletop version either
I am rather pleased with WAR's graphics at this point. I think it has a good look. However, I can understand why you feel this way because many others do as well.
I Like the style of the game i like the walking animations ive seen
but the combat animations look kinda shite from what ive seen but that will be worked out eventualy id assume i think some people get graphics and animations mixed up
and ive read that the game is set
to low settings for some reason somewhere so they dont look as good as they can.
meh anyway COMBAT animations need work thats the only thing i seen i didnt like.
I guess I must be blind, because those graphics certainly don't look like WoW's. It's too bad they won't be as good as LoTRO's, but that again is speculation.
EA M, I want better graphics than you are offering now!!
EA M, I want better graphics than you are offering now!!
I bet that when release hits we'll see higher res everything available..even Lord of the Rings didn't offer their best looking stuff during beta, stress, or open. The files were simply insane huge to download, there was a way to force them on but it only helped forcing aspects to high res.
To the OP.
Personally, I have to be somewhat attracted to the graphics, at least. But graphics doesn't make the game. Take EQ and WoW for example. Back in 03 and 04, I would rip ANYONE who thought WoW would be better than EQ2. I said, NO WAY!! YOUR INSANE!! The graphics makes me feel like I'm watching Barney or teletubbies or something. EQ2 looks soooo much better! It will blow WoW out of the water.
Weeellllll guess what?!?! I WAS WRONG! I beta tester EQ2 for 32 months before the game went live. I played it religiously for about 2 months after release before saying to myself, "this game plays like shyyte" The graphics are good, well mainly the terrain and cities look good, but the game just isnt fun. Granted, EQ2 wasnt even half completed at release.
Anyway, I decided to give WoW a try since all my friends and guildies jumped ship. Everyone was blown away with how great and fun the gameplay was. So, I gave it a shot and low and behold, THE GAMEPLAY WAS SUPERB!! Granted, this was back in 2005.. Now, I played WoW religiously for about a year before getting bored due to no new content for my 60 rogue.
But my point is, EQ2 looked 10x better than WoW, but WoW had much better gameplay which resulted in a more polished better game.
This is what I see with WAR. The graphics are definitely not int he same league as AoC, but I'm sure the gameplay is 10x better.
Fans of FPS games may prefer better graphics over better gameplay, but traditional MMO fans will much rather play a more polished fun game with a little outdated graphics cause were the ones who used to paly turn based rpg games like shining force, final fantasy tactics, fantasy star series,early final fantasy games, etc.. Whats important to us is a great storyline, excellent lore, and superb gameplay.
Rallithon Oakthornn
(Retired Heirophant of the 60th season)
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