-first reason is because Barnett is realy that unfunny
-second reason is because every war needs two sides and while many people will be fighting this particular war by playing the game, I'll be fighting it by not playing it
-third and last reason is because it's just another game, not a world, I already play THE game
Scase, thank you for the corrections and info. Like I said, it's been a while since I've even looked into the game, so I was assuming some things had changed, just not sure how much. PvE - thats good to hear. Last time I saw any video of pve (it's been a while) it looked fairly slow. Character spec - yea, I haven't seen any of the podcasts lately. I'll have to look into that to see what they've done with it. Gear - thats VERY interesting. Way back when I was keeping up, they were still giving kind of a flaky answer to that question. I think they were saying, as far as skill vs gear, that it was along the lines of "50/50". If they really have toned the gear down, thats good news. Also, I'd heard that they were placing more emphasis on the open world pvp now (instead of instances). How is that working out?
supposedly its going really really well especially since they added massive keeps and all sorts of reasons for your side to battle like hell for one. Plus there's siege weapons that players can buy and set up to try and beat their way inside to slaughter the occupants. They of course added npc's to the keeps that you absolutely have to kill to claim it so that you can't just Roll over the Keep in the middle of the night...you can actually go to bed instead of heavily defending it at all times.
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-second reason is because every war needs two sides and while many people will be fighting this particular war by playing the game, I'll be fighting it by not playing it -third and last reason is because it's just another game, not a world, I already play THE game
lol so weird
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All this thread is, is an attempt for pathetic fanboys of other games to try and justifiy to themselves why their specific MMORPG is superior. It's pathetic.
Who cares why you won't be playing Warhammer? seriously.
Don't tell me, it's a "Wow clone", even though the game is completly different.
This thread is for haters, let them vent their inadequacies here and hopefully we won't have to see them in WAR. WoW was and is about loot and equipment, not about skill or story. I admit I was enthralled in the beginning but after awhile was left disenchanted and disgruntled. Why don't we go start a thread in the WoW forums that says "Why loot makes us elite or why purples>friends and having fun, or even better How blizzard took the fun out of MMORPG's". (you see I can flame WoW all day too.)All this forum trolling does is breed hard feelings and gives WAR haters something to talk about. I would rather settle it in the game.
This thread is for haters, let them vent their inadequacies here and hopefully we won't have to see them in WAR. WoW was and is about loot and equipment, not about skill or story. I admit I was enthralled in the beginning but after awhile was left disenchanted and disgruntled. Why don't we go start a thread in the WoW forums that says "Why loot makes us elite or why purples>friends and having fun, or even better How blizzard took the fun out of MMORPG's". (you see I can flame WoW all day too.)All this forum trolling does is breed hard feelings and gives WAR haters something to talk about. I would rather settle it in the game.
I can see much more hate in your post than in what you call the "haters".
Simply put, WoW is very limited but it's still a world. WAR is just a game.
I will not be playing Warhammer because I'm not interested in another World of Warcraft. No, Warhammer wasn't first, only the IP was - I know, I played the table-top and RPG before MMORPGs existed. But Warhammer, the MMORPG, offers exactly the same things as WoW, levels, classes, zones, raiding, consensual PvP, turn-based combat, with just a bit more battlegrounds they call "RvR". I'd rather keep playing EVE Online till I get another good MMO that isn't a EQ/WoW clone.
Look into the game a little more before knocking it. "RvR" isn't just a bit more battleground.
Guilds/Realms can occupy areas reaping the rewards such as formulas for crafting and what not only available if your realm or guild have control of the city/area.
did Wumptrooper say turn based combat?! ROFL! wait...ROFL! yea ...dude don't bother replying to wumptrooper if he's claiming turn based combat he most definitly trolling. No AAA title in their right mind would use turn based combat....thats standard console OLD school RPG combat..... turn based combat....I can't believe I missed that one!
He's obviously not read a damn thing about WAR...turn based combat...the fact he even uses levels and zones as why its like wow is even funnier..Hello Every MMO Has 'zones' or 'areas' ... every MMO has levels ... (or skill points yadda yadda) ... lord...well atleast I had my laughter for today. Thanks Wumptrooper!
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
did Wumptrooper say turn based combat?! ROFL! wait...ROFL! yea ...dude don't bother replying to wumptrooper if he's claiming turn based combat he most definitly trolling. No AAA title in their right mind would use turn based combat....thats standard console OLD school RPG combat..... turn based combat....I can't believe I missed that one! He's obviously not read a damn thing about WAR...turn based combat...the fact he even uses levels and zones as why its like wow is even funnier..Hello Every MMO Has 'zones' or 'areas' ... every MMO has levels ... (or skill points yadda yadda) ... lord...well atleast I had my laughter for today. Thanks Wumptrooper!
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
did Wumptrooper say turn based combat?! ROFL! wait...ROFL! yea ...dude don't bother replying to wumptrooper if he's claiming turn based combat he most definitly trolling. No AAA title in their right mind would use turn based combat....thats standard console OLD school RPG combat..... turn based combat....I can't believe I missed that one! He's obviously not read a damn thing about WAR...turn based combat...the fact he even uses levels and zones as why its like wow is even funnier..Hello Every MMO Has 'zones' or 'areas' ... every MMO has levels ... (or skill points yadda yadda) ... lord...well atleast I had my laughter for today. Thanks Wumptrooper!
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
The min any MMO's combat starts looking like Final Fantasy..I'll agree on turn based. Turn based has ALWAYS been where you have to WAIT for the other player to take their turn..You do not have to wait for a player to take their turn. There for it is NOT turn based. Unless your seriously twisting the history of games right back to the days of Pen and Paper RPG's which are turn based...which I hope your not seriously that .... crazy.
If this is what your belief of turn based is...then there is no hope for you in games...
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
did Wumptrooper say turn based combat?! ROFL! wait...ROFL! yea ...dude don't bother replying to wumptrooper if he's claiming turn based combat he most definitly trolling. No AAA title in their right mind would use turn based combat....thats standard console OLD school RPG combat..... turn based combat....I can't believe I missed that one! He's obviously not read a damn thing about WAR...turn based combat...the fact he even uses levels and zones as why its like wow is even funnier..Hello Every MMO Has 'zones' or 'areas' ... every MMO has levels ... (or skill points yadda yadda) ... lord...well atleast I had my laughter for today. Thanks Wumptrooper!
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
The min any MMO's combat starts looking like Final Fantasy..I'll agree on turn based. Turn based has ALWAYS been where you have to WAIT for the other player to take their turn..You do not have to wait for a player to take their turn. There for it is NOT turn based. Unless your seriously twisting the history of games right back to the days of Pen and Paper RPG's which are turn based...which I hope your not seriously that .... crazy.
If this is what your belief of turn based is...then there is no hope for you in games...
Thank you for answering my question.
The facts are there are only 3 styles of combat in mmos.
1. Turn base
2. FPS
3. Twitch
So any argumenting these facts is pointless. Sure combat may have a diffrent twist, but fact is fact that War is turn based. Not saying that is a bad thing, but don't try to say something isn't if it is.
I WILL be playing, but one thing that absolutely frustrates me to no end is the fact that it is not set in the 40k universe. Classic swords and sorcercy is now a "safety net" in MMOs. Can't you stupid bastards working on and designing games come up with any fresh ideas? Do you guys not get paid enough? We are all playing rehashed versions of D&D with more complex math, and I'm getting sick of it. MMOs are my FAVORITE genre, hands down, above all. It pains me to see our beloved games turning out to be absolute garbage. World of Warcraft set the absolute MINIMUM standard for what an MMO should be, and it's still a fucking grindfest. All they did was perfect old ideas. I mean COME ON.
What frustrates me the most is that the execs and corporate "creative leads" on projects actually get paid for the crap they come up with. I hope one of you reads this and passes it on, because YOU ALL ARE BAD AT YOUR JOBS. Find a new profession. The current state of MMO's = shit, and you have to be a fool to deny it.
While we are on the topic of being off topic, us gamers need a better outlet to voice the current (craptastic) state of our genre. We are just shouting into the wind here, which is also frustrating. In short, fuck everyone getting paid to rip off other's ideas. Too bad you arent in the music industry, or that would work. Asshats.
*edit* can we convince Will Wright to make an MMO? I'd like to see what he's got kicking around in his head.
Hooligan182 please accept this glass of anti Hater aid. Mythic has the Fantasy franchise and a company that is more familiar with making sci fi games has the rights to the 40k Online game which is YES in the early Design stages. You will get your game...Please drink the Anti Hater Aid and calm down there's nothing wrong with Fantasy games...some people love them more than sci fi just as some love sci fi more than Fantasy. Its just so far Sci Fi MMO games have not done quite as well as Fantasy..but they are in the works..you will get your sci fi fix it just takes alot of time to get what you are desiring.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
did Wumptrooper say turn based combat?! ROFL! wait...ROFL! yea ...dude don't bother replying to wumptrooper if he's claiming turn based combat he most definitly trolling. No AAA title in their right mind would use turn based combat....thats standard console OLD school RPG combat..... turn based combat....I can't believe I missed that one! He's obviously not read a damn thing about WAR...turn based combat...the fact he even uses levels and zones as why its like wow is even funnier..Hello Every MMO Has 'zones' or 'areas' ... every MMO has levels ... (or skill points yadda yadda) ... lord...well atleast I had my laughter for today. Thanks Wumptrooper!
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
The min any MMO's combat starts looking like Final Fantasy..I'll agree on turn based. Turn based has ALWAYS been where you have to WAIT for the other player to take their turn..You do not have to wait for a player to take their turn. There for it is NOT turn based. Unless your seriously twisting the history of games right back to the days of Pen and Paper RPG's which are turn based...which I hope your not seriously that .... crazy.
If this is what your belief of turn based is...then there is no hope for you in games...
Thank you for answering my question.
The facts are there are only 3 styles of combat in mmos.
1. Turn base
2. FPS
3. Twitch
So any argumenting these facts is pointless. Sure combat may have a diffrent twist, but fact is fact that War is turn based. Not saying that is a bad thing, but don't try to say something isn't if it is.
The problem with narrow definitions that you are cramming combat mechanics into means that All MMOs are all Turn based which is not true. There is no "Ok you made a hit now wait until Person B makes a hit.." that is not how it works..if you stop attacking they will get to continue attack. There for you are not waiting a turn. MMOs are not Turn based they're Queue based.
Im not even sure you know what your talking about as you classify FPS and Twitch combat as two seperate things when Twitch IS FPS.....FPS games are Twitch lol...you might want to just not reply ... because next time I might actually spit my soda out my nose while laughing.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
did Wumptrooper say turn based combat?! ROFL! wait...ROFL! yea ...dude don't bother replying to wumptrooper if he's claiming turn based combat he most definitly trolling. No AAA title in their right mind would use turn based combat....thats standard console OLD school RPG combat..... turn based combat....I can't believe I missed that one! He's obviously not read a damn thing about WAR...turn based combat...the fact he even uses levels and zones as why its like wow is even funnier..Hello Every MMO Has 'zones' or 'areas' ... every MMO has levels ... (or skill points yadda yadda) ... lord...well atleast I had my laughter for today. Thanks Wumptrooper!
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
The min any MMO's combat starts looking like Final Fantasy..I'll agree on turn based. Turn based has ALWAYS been where you have to WAIT for the other player to take their turn..You do not have to wait for a player to take their turn. There for it is NOT turn based. Unless your seriously twisting the history of games right back to the days of Pen and Paper RPG's which are turn based...which I hope your not seriously that .... crazy.
If this is what your belief of turn based is...then there is no hope for you in games...
Thank you for answering my question.
The facts are there are only 3 styles of combat in mmos.
1. Turn base
2. FPS
3. Twitch
So any argumenting these facts is pointless. Sure combat may have a diffrent twist, but fact is fact that War is turn based. Not saying that is a bad thing, but don't try to say something isn't if it is.
The problem with narrow definitions that you are cramming combat mechanics into means that All MMOs are all Turn based which is not true. There is no "Ok you made a hit now wait until Person B makes a hit.." that is not how it works..if you stop attacking they will get to continue attack. There for you are not waiting a turn. MMOs are not Turn based they're Queue based.
Im not even sure you know what your talking about as you classify FPS and Twitch combat as two seperate things when Twitch IS FPS.....FPS games are Twitch lol...you might want to just not reply ... because next time I might actually spit my soda out my nose while laughing.
Mistick sounds like the type of guy who'd say apples are oranges because technically they're both "fruit".
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
did Wumptrooper say turn based combat?! ROFL! wait...ROFL! yea ...dude don't bother replying to wumptrooper if he's claiming turn based combat he most definitly trolling. No AAA title in their right mind would use turn based combat....thats standard console OLD school RPG combat..... turn based combat....I can't believe I missed that one! He's obviously not read a damn thing about WAR...turn based combat...the fact he even uses levels and zones as why its like wow is even funnier..Hello Every MMO Has 'zones' or 'areas' ... every MMO has levels ... (or skill points yadda yadda) ... lord...well atleast I had my laughter for today. Thanks Wumptrooper!
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
The min any MMO's combat starts looking like Final Fantasy..I'll agree on turn based. Turn based has ALWAYS been where you have to WAIT for the other player to take their turn..You do not have to wait for a player to take their turn. There for it is NOT turn based. Unless your seriously twisting the history of games right back to the days of Pen and Paper RPG's which are turn based...which I hope your not seriously that .... crazy.
If this is what your belief of turn based is...then there is no hope for you in games...
Thank you for answering my question.
The facts are there are only 3 styles of combat in mmos.
1. Turn base
2. FPS
3. Twitch
So any argumenting these facts is pointless. Sure combat may have a diffrent twist, but fact is fact that War is turn based. Not saying that is a bad thing, but don't try to say something isn't if it is.
The problem with narrow definitions that you are cramming combat mechanics into means that All MMOs are all Turn based which is not true. There is no "Ok you made a hit now wait until Person B makes a hit.." that is not how it works..if you stop attacking they will get to continue attack. There for you are not waiting a turn. MMOs are not Turn based they're Queue based.
Im not even sure you know what your talking about as you classify FPS and Twitch combat as two seperate things when Twitch IS FPS.....FPS games are Twitch lol...you might want to just not reply ... because next time I might actually spit my soda out my nose while laughing.
Mistick sounds like the type of guy who'd say apples are oranges because technically they're both "fruit".
Like I said argue all you want, but it doesn't change the fact. In the words of Richard Garriott " Most mmos are like wack a mole, you encounter an NPC and exchange attacks untill the creature is dead". Facts are the NPCs wait for the encounter. This triggers the AI response, and battle proceeds. There may be diffrent methods to dispose of the NPC, but the fact is the combat is static by design, and the AI response doesn't change by encounter thus making this a turn base system. Sure it may be diffrent from other games, but most mobs are just standing around waiting to be killed.
Okay Mistick, we get your point. Hooray for you? If you want to look at life with that logic, I can imagine it would be very bland, colorless, and dull. Maybe a new car with dozens of innovative features would not interest you because it's still a car, and maybe you're bored of cars. All they do is take you from one place to another. Then you realize ALL transportation is really like that, so what's the point of going anywhere? It's all the same!
Maybe you don't think of all things like that of course, but I'm just assuming. If you take basic ideas but give them the illusion of being new or different, does anyone care? Only the most hardcore trolls or people who need innovation and revolutionary ideas to have fun. The majority of players will be too busy having fun.
-------------------------------------- A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Okay Mistick, we get your point. Hooray for you? If you want to look at life with that logic, I can imagine it would be very bland, colorless, and dull. Maybe a new car with dozens of innovative features would not interest you because it's still a car, and maybe you're bored of cars. All they do is take you from one place to another. Then you realize ALL transportation is really like that, so what's the point of going anywhere? It's all the same! Maybe you don't think of all things like that of course, but I'm just assuming. If you take basic ideas but give them the illusion of being new or different, does anyone care? Only the most hardcore trolls or people who need innovation and revolutionary ideas to have fun. The majority of players will be too busy having fun.
The simple fact is I'm not here to bash War. I feel this game will do very well, but made this thread to discuss why players won't be playing war is all. I'm not the ignorant fanboi trying to defend the game, or say that the game isn't turn based by design (which it is). I play mmos and accept them for there flaws as well as what the dev team has tried to accomplish. I'm just one of these gammers that is not playing another pvp game designed around a class base system. If players want to play this game good for them. I am not here trying to demote this game. I'm not the one feeding this thread nor is the posters as much as the fanbois are. Fanbois do more harm than good trying to defend something they themselves might not understand. Facts are opinions change, and so do desires, but we are what we are and that is human.
Oh and Elvenangel if you don't know the diffrence between FPS, and twitch system you are a very ignorant gammer indeed.
heh, just saw this thread... think it's kind of interesting to see all the people giving comments that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic, which simply asks why you will not be playing WAR.
Well for one, the main reason being, I'm burned out on WoW. I'm sorry to inform you guys, but WoW the MMORPG was first. It does not take an idiot to realize that WAR is basically focusing it's aim on people playing WoW who are getting tired of it. I'm not bashing WAR... in fact, I find this extremely intelligent of them. This is probably the perfect time for them to steal away WoW customers (or at least, the time once it's released). And they are adding in some interesting stuff that seems slightly unique to its WoW counterpart, such as specific classes for each race... which when you think about it isn't really that spectacular What I can simply expect from everything given out about the product so far is that it will be a WoW2. Nothing really "new" or exciting to the next generation of MMORPGs, other than, I'll admit, seemingly great graphics.
Also, the second reason being what the post author originally wrote in his/her first post. I'm just sick of the typical rock paper scissors fighting, it really gets dull after a while. One more thing I want to add about WAR's marketing plan; it'll seem good at first... considering you're merely counting population and not the overall community of players. I can expect a lot of young people to play this... which is what I'm liking about this game. It will sort of act as a magnet, especially with all this promotion for the game WAR is going through. So finally, these three main reasons are basically why I'll try to avoid WAR. I'll most likely stick to EVE... not that much seems absolutely breath-taking this year, yet I might try AoC and CoSB on their betas.
i think if someone plays the previous warahmmer games, they will be interesting in this mmorpg version... but if u have NO IDEA wat warhammer is sbout... then u will just see it as another W0W
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I won't be playing WAR for three reasons:
-first reason is because Barnett is realy that unfunny
-second reason is because every war needs two sides and while many people will be fighting this particular war by playing the game, I'll be fighting it by not playing it
-third and last reason is because it's just another game, not a world, I already play THE game
buying isn't p(l)aying the subscribtion
supposedly its going really really well especially since they added massive keeps and all sorts of reasons for your side to battle like hell for one. Plus there's siege weapons that players can buy and set up to try and beat their way inside to slaughter the occupants. They of course added npc's to the keeps that you absolutely have to kill to claim it so that you can't just Roll over the Keep in the middle of the night...you can actually go to bed instead of heavily defending it at all times.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
lol so weird
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I won't. I didn't think enough of wow to play it, so to pick up its crappy clone is almost unthinkable. I will say Wow machinema is pretty funny tho.
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Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?"
(Psalm 94:16)
Good. So we can expect one less negative poster in this forum now?
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
All this thread is, is an attempt for pathetic fanboys of other games to try and justifiy to themselves why their specific MMORPG is superior. It's pathetic.
Who cares why you won't be playing Warhammer? seriously.
Don't tell me, it's a "Wow clone", even though the game is completly different.
This thread is for haters, let them vent their inadequacies here and hopefully we won't have to see them in WAR. WoW was and is about loot and equipment, not about skill or story. I admit I was enthralled in the beginning but after awhile was left disenchanted and disgruntled. Why don't we go start a thread in the WoW forums that says "Why loot makes us elite or why purples>friends and having fun, or even better How blizzard took the fun out of MMORPG's". (you see I can flame WoW all day too.)All this forum trolling does is breed hard feelings and gives WAR haters something to talk about. I would rather settle it in the game.
Simply put, WoW is very limited but it's still a world. WAR is just a game.
Make no mistake there, WoW is the Game, with capital G, it puts the G in MMORPG.... etc etc
What we need is a world, not another even-more-arbitrary-rule-land.
Make no mistake there, WoW is the Game, with capital G, it puts the G in MMORPG.... etc etc
What we need is a world, not another even-more-arbitrary-rule-land.
If you are right I will be very very happy.
Sorry but that doesnt make any sense whatsoever.
Elladan - ESO (AD)
Camring - SWTOR (Ebon Hawk)
Eol & Justinian - Rift (Faeblight)
Ceol and Duri - LotRO (Landroval)
Kili - WoW
Eol - Lineage 2
Camring - SWG
Justinian (Nimue), Camring - DAoC
Guilds/Realms can occupy areas reaping the rewards such as formulas for crafting and what not only available if your realm or guild have control of the city/area.
did Wumptrooper say turn based combat?! ROFL! wait...ROFL! yea ...dude don't bother replying to wumptrooper if he's claiming turn based combat he most definitly trolling. No AAA title in their right mind would use turn based combat....thats standard console OLD school RPG combat..... turn based combat....I can't believe I missed that one!
He's obviously not read a damn thing about WAR...turn based combat...the fact he even uses levels and zones as why its like wow is even funnier..Hello Every MMO Has 'zones' or 'areas' ... every MMO has levels ... (or skill points yadda yadda) ... lord...well atleast I had my laughter for today. Thanks Wumptrooper!
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
The min any MMO's combat starts looking like Final Fantasy..I'll agree on turn based. Turn based has ALWAYS been where you have to WAIT for the other player to take their turn..You do not have to wait for a player to take their turn. There for it is NOT turn based. Unless your seriously twisting the history of games right back to the days of Pen and Paper RPG's which are turn based...which I hope your not seriously that .... crazy.
If this is what your belief of turn based is...then there is no hope for you in games...
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
The min any MMO's combat starts looking like Final Fantasy..I'll agree on turn based. Turn based has ALWAYS been where you have to WAIT for the other player to take their turn..You do not have to wait for a player to take their turn. There for it is NOT turn based. Unless your seriously twisting the history of games right back to the days of Pen and Paper RPG's which are turn based...which I hope your not seriously that .... crazy.
If this is what your belief of turn based is...then there is no hope for you in games...
Thank you for answering my question.
The facts are there are only 3 styles of combat in mmos.
1. Turn base
2. FPS
3. Twitch
So any argumenting these facts is pointless. Sure combat may have a diffrent twist, but fact is fact that War is turn based. Not saying that is a bad thing, but don't try to say something isn't if it is.
This is a rant.
I WILL be playing, but one thing that absolutely frustrates me to no end is the fact that it is not set in the 40k universe. Classic swords and sorcercy is now a "safety net" in MMOs. Can't you stupid bastards working on and designing games come up with any fresh ideas? Do you guys not get paid enough? We are all playing rehashed versions of D&D with more complex math, and I'm getting sick of it. MMOs are my FAVORITE genre, hands down, above all. It pains me to see our beloved games turning out to be absolute garbage. World of Warcraft set the absolute MINIMUM standard for what an MMO should be, and it's still a fucking grindfest. All they did was perfect old ideas. I mean COME ON.
What frustrates me the most is that the execs and corporate "creative leads" on projects actually get paid for the crap they come up with. I hope one of you reads this and passes it on, because YOU ALL ARE BAD AT YOUR JOBS. Find a new profession. The current state of MMO's = shit, and you have to be a fool to deny it.
While we are on the topic of being off topic, us gamers need a better outlet to voice the current (craptastic) state of our genre. We are just shouting into the wind here, which is also frustrating. In short, fuck everyone getting paid to rip off other's ideas. Too bad you arent in the music industry, or that would work. Asshats.
*edit* can we convince Will Wright to make an MMO? I'd like to see what he's got kicking around in his head.
Hooligan182 please accept this glass of anti Hater aid. Mythic has the Fantasy franchise and a company that is more familiar with making sci fi games has the rights to the 40k Online game which is YES in the early Design stages. You will get your game...Please drink the Anti Hater Aid and calm down there's nothing wrong with Fantasy games...some people love them more than sci fi just as some love sci fi more than Fantasy. Its just so far Sci Fi MMO games have not done quite as well as Fantasy..but they are in the works..you will get your sci fi fix it just takes alot of time to get what you are desiring.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
The min any MMO's combat starts looking like Final Fantasy..I'll agree on turn based. Turn based has ALWAYS been where you have to WAIT for the other player to take their turn..You do not have to wait for a player to take their turn. There for it is NOT turn based. Unless your seriously twisting the history of games right back to the days of Pen and Paper RPG's which are turn based...which I hope your not seriously that .... crazy.
If this is what your belief of turn based is...then there is no hope for you in games...
Thank you for answering my question.
The facts are there are only 3 styles of combat in mmos.
1. Turn base
2. FPS
3. Twitch
So any argumenting these facts is pointless. Sure combat may have a diffrent twist, but fact is fact that War is turn based. Not saying that is a bad thing, but don't try to say something isn't if it is.
The problem with narrow definitions that you are cramming combat mechanics into means that All MMOs are all Turn based which is not true. There is no "Ok you made a hit now wait until Person B makes a hit.." that is not how it works..if you stop attacking they will get to continue attack. There for you are not waiting a turn. MMOs are not Turn based they're Queue based.
Im not even sure you know what your talking about as you classify FPS and Twitch combat as two seperate things when Twitch IS FPS.....FPS games are Twitch lol...you might want to just not reply ... because next time I might actually spit my soda out my nose while laughing.
Please Refer to Doom Cat with all conspiracies & evil corporation complaints. He'll give you the simple explination of..WE"RE ALL DOOMED!
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
The min any MMO's combat starts looking like Final Fantasy..I'll agree on turn based. Turn based has ALWAYS been where you have to WAIT for the other player to take their turn..You do not have to wait for a player to take their turn. There for it is NOT turn based. Unless your seriously twisting the history of games right back to the days of Pen and Paper RPG's which are turn based...which I hope your not seriously that .... crazy.
If this is what your belief of turn based is...then there is no hope for you in games...
Thank you for answering my question.
The facts are there are only 3 styles of combat in mmos.
1. Turn base
2. FPS
3. Twitch
So any argumenting these facts is pointless. Sure combat may have a diffrent twist, but fact is fact that War is turn based. Not saying that is a bad thing, but don't try to say something isn't if it is.
The problem with narrow definitions that you are cramming combat mechanics into means that All MMOs are all Turn based which is not true. There is no "Ok you made a hit now wait until Person B makes a hit.." that is not how it works..if you stop attacking they will get to continue attack. There for you are not waiting a turn. MMOs are not Turn based they're Queue based.
Im not even sure you know what your talking about as you classify FPS and Twitch combat as two seperate things when Twitch IS FPS.....FPS games are Twitch lol...you might want to just not reply ... because next time I might actually spit my soda out my nose while laughing.
Mistick sounds like the type of guy who'd say apples are oranges because technically they're both "fruit".
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
Ok I'm not even going to pretend to know how War's combat, or AI is so I wll ask. Is the combat static? Does the attacks have CD's? Do you cause the encounter by approach or attack? If you answer yes to all of these questions, sorry to say the combat is indeed "Turn Based".
The min any MMO's combat starts looking like Final Fantasy..I'll agree on turn based. Turn based has ALWAYS been where you have to WAIT for the other player to take their turn..You do not have to wait for a player to take their turn. There for it is NOT turn based. Unless your seriously twisting the history of games right back to the days of Pen and Paper RPG's which are turn based...which I hope your not seriously that .... crazy.
If this is what your belief of turn based is...then there is no hope for you in games...
Thank you for answering my question.
The facts are there are only 3 styles of combat in mmos.
1. Turn base
2. FPS
3. Twitch
So any argumenting these facts is pointless. Sure combat may have a diffrent twist, but fact is fact that War is turn based. Not saying that is a bad thing, but don't try to say something isn't if it is.
The problem with narrow definitions that you are cramming combat mechanics into means that All MMOs are all Turn based which is not true. There is no "Ok you made a hit now wait until Person B makes a hit.." that is not how it works..if you stop attacking they will get to continue attack. There for you are not waiting a turn. MMOs are not Turn based they're Queue based.
Im not even sure you know what your talking about as you classify FPS and Twitch combat as two seperate things when Twitch IS FPS.....FPS games are Twitch lol...you might want to just not reply ... because next time I might actually spit my soda out my nose while laughing.
Mistick sounds like the type of guy who'd say apples are oranges because technically they're both "fruit".
Like I said argue all you want, but it doesn't change the fact. In the words of Richard Garriott " Most mmos are like wack a mole, you encounter an NPC and exchange attacks untill the creature is dead". Facts are the NPCs wait for the encounter. This triggers the AI response, and battle proceeds. There may be diffrent methods to dispose of the NPC, but the fact is the combat is static by design, and the AI response doesn't change by encounter thus making this a turn base system. Sure it may be diffrent from other games, but most mobs are just standing around waiting to be killed.
Okay Mistick, we get your point. Hooray for you? If you want to look at life with that logic, I can imagine it would be very bland, colorless, and dull. Maybe a new car with dozens of innovative features would not interest you because it's still a car, and maybe you're bored of cars. All they do is take you from one place to another. Then you realize ALL transportation is really like that, so what's the point of going anywhere? It's all the same!
Maybe you don't think of all things like that of course, but I'm just assuming. If you take basic ideas but give them the illusion of being new or different, does anyone care? Only the most hardcore trolls or people who need innovation and revolutionary ideas to have fun. The majority of players will be too busy having fun.
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A human and an Elf get captured by Skaven. The rat-men are getting ready to shoot the first hostage with Dwarf-made guns when he yells, "Earthquake!" The naturally nervous Skaven run and hide from the imaginary threat. He escapes. The Skaven regroup and bring out the Elf. Being very smart, the Elf has figured out what to do. When the Skaven get ready to shoot, the Elf, in order to scare them, yells, "Fire!"
Order of the White Border.
The simple fact is I'm not here to bash War. I feel this game will do very well, but made this thread to discuss why players won't be playing war is all. I'm not the ignorant fanboi trying to defend the game, or say that the game isn't turn based by design (which it is). I play mmos and accept them for there flaws as well as what the dev team has tried to accomplish. I'm just one of these gammers that is not playing another pvp game designed around a class base system. If players want to play this game good for them. I am not here trying to demote this game. I'm not the one feeding this thread nor is the posters as much as the fanbois are. Fanbois do more harm than good trying to defend something they themselves might not understand. Facts are opinions change, and so do desires, but we are what we are and that is human.
Oh and Elvenangel if you don't know the diffrence between FPS, and twitch system you are a very ignorant gammer indeed.
heh, just saw this thread... think it's kind of interesting to see all the people giving comments that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic, which simply asks why you will not be playing WAR.
Well for one, the main reason being, I'm burned out on WoW. I'm sorry to inform you guys, but WoW the MMORPG was first. It does not take an idiot to realize that WAR is basically focusing it's aim on people playing WoW who are getting tired of it. I'm not bashing WAR... in fact, I find this extremely intelligent of them. This is probably the perfect time for them to steal away WoW customers (or at least, the time once it's released). And they are adding in some interesting stuff that seems slightly unique to its WoW counterpart, such as specific classes for each race... which when you think about it isn't really that spectacular
What I can simply expect from everything given out about the product so far is that it will be a WoW2. Nothing really "new" or exciting to the next generation of MMORPGs, other than, I'll admit, seemingly great graphics.
Also, the second reason being what the post author originally wrote in his/her first post. I'm just sick of the typical rock paper scissors fighting, it really gets dull after a while. One more thing I want to add about WAR's marketing plan; it'll seem good at first... considering you're merely counting population and not the overall community of players. I can expect a lot of young people to play this... which is what I'm liking about this game. It will sort of act as a magnet, especially with all this promotion for the game WAR is going through. So finally, these three main reasons are basically why I'll try to avoid WAR. I'll most likely stick to EVE... not that much seems absolutely breath-taking this year, yet I might try AoC and CoSB on their betas.
i think if someone plays the previous warahmmer games, they will be interesting in this mmorpg version... but if u have NO IDEA wat warhammer is sbout... then u will just see it as another W0W