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Funcom and Eidos announce massive evolution plans for Age of Conan!

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  • ethionethion Member UncommonPosts: 2,888

    I guess it worked for prelaunch maybe it will work post launch.  Promise the world deliver....

    I'm waiting to see how they do on the delivery they promised for the month of june...

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  • checkthis500checkthis500 Member Posts: 1,236

    Originally posted by fyerwall

    Originally posted by checkthis500


    Here's the sketchy part about this to me.  Maybe it's just me, but I don't ever remember a company posting what's coming "next" in the first 3-4 weeks after launch. 
    It just seems the timing is a bit ridiculous. 
    I mean shouldn't the players still be digesting the content that was in at launch?  Has anyone ever heard of what sounds like an "expansion" being announced within a month of a game launching?

    It does happen in some MMO launches, usually 2-3 months out, but its usually new features and possible continuations of story/quest lines, not systems that should have been in game at the start being reworded to look new.


    That's my point "2-3 months out"  That's 8-12 weeks.  Not 3 weeks.

    3 weeks isn't even enough time for all of the launch woes to level out and stabilize.  I mean you don't even have a grasp of how many people are going to keep playing the game.

    I think the player base would have rather had a huge post talking about all of the missing content in the game being fixed than hearing about what is coming down the pipes 6 months from now.

    Bad bad PR move.  It only "sounds" good.  And it seems almost like some kind of diversion tactic.

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  • NorkedNorked Member Posts: 33
    Originally posted by gestalt11


    So they are trying make putting in what they promised for release sound like you are getting a big "innovative" update.

    They did not promise it for release. If you had done your research you would know this. On their website they posted planned features in the game, but stated in a very visible disclaimer (paraphrasing) "these features are planned, but not guaranteed to be in the final release".

  • checkthis500checkthis500 Member Posts: 1,236

    Originally posted by Norked

    Originally posted by gestalt11


    So they are trying make putting in what they promised for release sound like you are getting a big "innovative" update.

    They did not promise it for release. If you had done your research you would know this. On their website they posted planned features in the game, but stated in a very visible disclaimer (paraphrasing) "these features are planned, but not guaranteed to be in the final release".


    Either way, they're trying to divert attention away from the real issues with the game.

    Maybe they think all of the players are kleptomaniacs, and will go "oooo shiny" and forget all about their stats not doing anything and the fact that they can't do siege warfare.

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  • ShoalShoal Member Posts: 1,156

    What a load of crap.  I don't mind a company facing up to their problems squarely, but you would think this launch had been the second comming of the annointed one the way they talk about it.  This load of BS is only intended to sucker in more subscriptions and box sales.  Folks that have already shelled out $50 or more know the true state of this game.  Compared to other launches in recent MMO history, this one is about as bad as it gets.

    Until Funcom owns up to the real problems this game has, it does not stand a chance.  It is probably most closely akin to DDO and the terrible launch it had.  DDO is now just another niche product, and it is looking like the same fate awaits AoC.

    Boobs, Blood, and Beheading do not make a great MMORPG.

    Especially if it is all mired in mounds of dung.

  • Volgore2Volgore2 Member Posts: 40

    Funcom isn't even able to get the basic game working. And yet again Gaute and his propaganda team raises the bar of (soon to get broken-) promises even higher.

    btw: I'm wondering in which corner AmazingAvery is hiding these days or if he already changed his name to "AshamedAvery". "siege will be in at launch, drunken brawling will be in at lauch, everything missing 1 week before launch will be in for release'" -weren't these sort of his famous last words before release?

    In fact every innovation announced in month got dropped and the pathetic remains of a game doesn't even contain basic features that were standard years ago. Heck, they don't even manage to get male and female characters balanced, grouping not working, overkill the game with instances which in some cases one can't change due to a bug.

    FAILCOM HAS FAILED AND WILL KEEP ON DOING SO!!

  • Originally posted by Norked

    Originally posted by gestalt11


    So they are trying make putting in what they promised for release sound like you are getting a big "innovative" update.

    They did not promise it for release. If you had done your research you would know this. On their website they posted planned features in the game, but stated in a very visible disclaimer (paraphrasing) "these features are planned, but not guaranteed to be in the final release".

     

    That is the standard disclaimer.  Except that if you did YOUR research you would notice many of those things were stated as key things that would really "tie the room together" in many a forum posting by the developers when questioned about various aspects of the game maybe having trouble.

  • checkthis500checkthis500 Member Posts: 1,236
    Originally posted by Volgore


    Funcom isn't even able to get the basic game working. And yet again Gaute and his propaganda team raises the bar of (soon to get broken-) promises even higher.
    btw: I'm wondering in which corner AmazingAvery is hiding these days or if he already changed his name to "AshamedAvery". "siege will be in at launch, drunken brawling will be in at lauch, everything missing 1 week before launch will be in for release'" -weren't these sort of his famous last words before release?
    In fact every innovation announced in month got dropped and the pathetic remains of a game doesn't even contain basic features that were standard years ago. Heck, they don't even manage to get male and female characters balanced, grouping not working, overkill the game with instances which in some cases one can't change due to a bug.
    FAILCOM HAS FAILED AND WILL KEEP ON DOING SO!!



     

    The Male/Female DPS thing made me laugh quite a bit.  I thought it was a joke at first.

    I don't think the game will fail though.  I mean I don't think Vanguard is even considered a failure, and it had a pretty awful launch.

    I think the game will be moderately successful in the next few months, but nowhere near what they had hoped.

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  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by Douhk


    Honestly... does any AAA MMORPG game company ever treat their customers the way they should be?
    WAR is going to promise things that won't be there at launch. So will Aion. So had WoW. So will any company that sees an opportunity to get the best money... that is what any large company is out for. Money. Funcom is certainly no different, if not worse. The sad thing is, they actually have a decent game for once and a perfect opportunity to bend us over, more than they need to obviously by the way they are still wording things.
    The even sadder part is that most of the consumers for any company are idiots. You may be thinking to yourself "WTF, they're calling this an evolution? It was what was F#$%in' promised at launch!" While others will be saying, "Oh boy, more stuff?" Guys, notice how there is no apology for their obvious let-down. Notice the fact that they are trying to completely cover up their old promises... the title itself is clear evidence.
    I'm a fan of the game, but not the company. If WAR treats it's consumers any better (which I doubt but too unfair to judge now, other than what they did with DAoC) I'm going to throw AoC out in the trash and get myself a copy.  If AoC fails to improve upon itself by the launch of WAR and WAR isn't any better than I'm just going to go back to WoW... blizz may not be the greatest but at least they got their @$$ together and started hearing the customer's concerns.
    I don't care how good a game is. If it's being created by a company that obviously shows more care for itself than the consumer than I'm not going to support it.

     

    Really good post man. And it makes me happy so many in this thread can read through the lines on this PR spin.

    "evolution"?

    I have never seen a company for computer games be so shady. I would rather pay for a new SOE game than anything Funcom will ever produce.

    I am no hater. I just literally begged Funcom to be honest since months BEFORE launch. They just don't want to change. They don't COMMUNICATE with their fan base. For every problem they either ignore it or do SPIN on it.

    Sad to see a Norwegian company behave like this. Somehow I thought a Scandinavian company would have better business ethics than everyone else. Know I know we are all the same ;-)

     

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  • fyerwallfyerwall Member UncommonPosts: 3,240
    Originally posted by Norked

    Originally posted by gestalt11


    So they are trying make putting in what they promised for release sound like you are getting a big "innovative" update.

    They did not promise it for release. If you had done your research you would know this. On their website they posted planned features in the game, but stated in a very visible disclaimer (paraphrasing) "these features are planned, but not guaranteed to be in the final release".



     

    Well heres an idea...

    Dont advertise crap on a box when your not sure it will be in the game at launch.

    Thats like Lucky Charms advertising 'Free Toy inside!' only to get a slip of paper saying it will possibly be shipped at a later date...

    There are 3 types of people in the world.
    1.) Those who make things happen
    2.) Those who watch things happen
    3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"


  • checkthis500checkthis500 Member Posts: 1,236
    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by Douhk


    Honestly... does any AAA MMORPG game company ever treat their customers the way they should be?
    WAR is going to promise things that won't be there at launch. So will Aion. So had WoW. So will any company that sees an opportunity to get the best money... that is what any large company is out for. Money. Funcom is certainly no different, if not worse. The sad thing is, they actually have a decent game for once and a perfect opportunity to bend us over, more than they need to obviously by the way they are still wording things.
    The even sadder part is that most of the consumers for any company are idiots. You may be thinking to yourself "WTF, they're calling this an evolution? It was what was F#$%in' promised at launch!" While others will be saying, "Oh boy, more stuff?" Guys, notice how there is no apology for their obvious let-down. Notice the fact that they are trying to completely cover up their old promises... the title itself is clear evidence.
    I'm a fan of the game, but not the company. If WAR treats it's consumers any better (which I doubt but too unfair to judge now, other than what they did with DAoC) I'm going to throw AoC out in the trash and get myself a copy.  If AoC fails to improve upon itself by the launch of WAR and WAR isn't any better than I'm just going to go back to WoW... blizz may not be the greatest but at least they got their @$$ together and started hearing the customer's concerns.
    I don't care how good a game is. If it's being created by a company that obviously shows more care for itself than the consumer than I'm not going to support it.

     

    Really good post man. And it makes me happy so many in this thread can read through the lines on this PR spin.

    "evolution"?

    I have never seen a company for computer games be so shady. I would rather pay for a new SOE game than anything Funcom will ever produce.

    I am no hater. I just literally begged Funcom to be honest since months BEFORE launch. They just don't want to change. They don't COMMUNICATE with their fan base. For every problem they either ignore it or do SPIN on it.

    Sad to see a Norwegian company behave like this. Somehow I thought a Scandinavian company would have better business ethics than everyone else. Know I know we are all the same ;-)

     

    You have to go a little further west to Iceland.  CCP does a pretty good job of communicating with customers and admitting mistakes.

     

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  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by fyerwall

    Originally posted by Norked

    Originally posted by gestalt11


    So they are trying make putting in what they promised for release sound like you are getting a big "innovative" update.

    They did not promise it for release. If you had done your research you would know this. On their website they posted planned features in the game, but stated in a very visible disclaimer (paraphrasing) "these features are planned, but not guaranteed to be in the final release".



     

    Well heres an idea...

    Dont advertise crap on a box when your not sure it will be in the game at launch.

    Thats like Lucky Charms advertising 'Free Toy inside!' only to get a slip of paper saying it will possibly be shipped at a later date...

     

    Hell don't advertise all over the friggin' Internet. They have said tons of untrue things in Interviews for months on months.

    They just didn't deliver on it. They lied all the way up to launch.

     

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  • DraccanDraccan Member Posts: 1,050
    Originally posted by checkthis500

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by Douhk



    Sad to see a Norwegian company behave like this. Somehow I thought a Scandinavian company would have better business ethics than everyone else. Know I know we are all the same ;-)

     

    You have to go a little further west to Iceland.  CCP does a pretty good job of communicating with customers and admitting mistakes.

     

     

    Yea, I love that company. Even if I am not playing EVE at the moment. If they ever do another MMO I would be there and follow it for sure.

     

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  • TerranahTerranah Member UncommonPosts: 3,575

    This is all very grandiose talk coming from a company that so far has been unable to optimize the game for ATI users.  Last patch broke more stuff and now apparently some Nvidia people are having issues as well.

     

    The last noteable company that comes to mind that launched too early, buggy, with poor customer support, broke more stuff every time they patched, and promised the moon was SWG.

     

    I'm happy they have a roadmap. I just hope they know how to read a map, otherwise we will be driving in circles and never get where we want to be.

  • fyerwallfyerwall Member UncommonPosts: 3,240
    Originally posted by Draccan


     
    Hell don't advertise all over the friggin' Internet. They have said tons of untrue things in Interviews for months on months.
    They just didn't deliver on it. They lied all the way up to launch.
     



     

    Aye, as I said, Gaute is like the european version of Brad McQauid. He talks a good game, can side step questions skillfully and spin like there is no tomorrow.

    And is it just me, or does the picture on the developer spotlight look like hes pretty much saying "Haha, I screwed you all"?

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    1.) Those who make things happen
    2.) Those who watch things happen
    3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"


  • Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by checkthis500

    Originally posted by Draccan

    Originally posted by Douhk



    Sad to see a Norwegian company behave like this. Somehow I thought a Scandinavian company would have better business ethics than everyone else. Know I know we are all the same ;-)

     

    You have to go a little further west to Iceland.  CCP does a pretty good job of communicating with customers and admitting mistakes.

     

    Yea, I love that company. Even if I am not playing EVE at the moment. If they ever do another MMO I would be there and follow it for sure.

     

     

    Supposedly they will be making a World of Darkness MMO, vampire the masquerade and all that.  I believe they already merged with White Wolf.  Haven't hear much about that in a while though so not sure what is going on with that.  Seems to be under the radar.

  • checkthis500checkthis500 Member Posts: 1,236
    Originally posted by Terranah


    This is all very grandiose talk coming from a company that so far has been unable to optimize the game for ATI users.  Last patch broke more stuff and now apparently some Nvidia people are having issues as well.
     
    The last noteable company that comes to mind that launched too early, buggy, with poor customer support, broke more stuff every time they patched, and promised the moon was SWG.
     
    I'm happy they have a roadmap. I just hope they know how to read a map, otherwise we will be driving in circles and never get where we want to be.

    You must have slept through Dark and Light and Vanguard. lol

     

    I was hoping that they would announce a road map for fixes, not additions at this point.... especially given the state of the game.

    Who knows, maybe they'll shock all of us by creating a game that actually delivers and that has all of the features promis...... hahahahaha sorry I couldn't keep a straight face.  I tried.  *sigh*

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  • NadiaNadia Member UncommonPosts: 11,798
    Originally posted by checkthis500



    I was hoping that they would announce a road map for fixes, not additions at this point.... especially given the state of the game.

     

    no roadmap  (beyond the generic planning for Summer and Fall)

    but the newsletter has more detailed info about things to come

    funcom.cachefly.net/WebFiles/Newsletter/Issue17/

  • StaatsschutzStaatsschutz Member Posts: 90
    Originally posted by Selencia


    They're desperate to keep their subscribers after this first month. I don't see how they can be prepared to release new content when they aren't even remotely close to fixing the current game.

    those who flamed you for that are blind fanboiz, or stupid kiddies. it doesnt take much for an experienced mmo player to see that you are telling nothing but the plain truth. but one has to have followed the history of past mmos to actually being able to see the truth.

     

     

  • daylight01daylight01 Member Posts: 2,250
    Originally posted by Staatsschutz

    Originally posted by Selencia


    They're desperate to keep their subscribers after this first month. I don't see how they can be prepared to release new content when they aren't even remotely close to fixing the current game.

    those who flamed you for that are blind fanboiz. it doesnt take much for an experienced mmo player to see that you are telling nothing but the plain truth. but one has to have followed the history of past mmos to actually being able to see the truth.

     

     



     

    Nope it is like a captain of a new ship saying to his crew"ok guys we have a few holes in the boat but dont worry we are building an upper deck so everything will be fine"...

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  • hobo9766hobo9766 Member UncommonPosts: 457

    I think by now eidos is looking for loop holes in their contract with funcom for an escape clause. I feel sorry for eidos at this point.

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Terranah


    This is all very grandiose talk coming from a company that so far has been unable to optimize the game for ATI users.  Last patch broke more stuff and now apparently some Nvidia people are having issues as well.
    In 7 years, they haven't managed to get ATI compatibilities straightened out with AO, so don't hold your breath for them to manage it with AoC.
    The last noteable company that comes to mind that launched too early, buggy, with poor customer support, broke more stuff every time they patched, and promised the moon was SWG.
    Thank Gaute. He was the one in charge of making/launching AO also, and we see how he managed that one. AO didn't get any improvements or hope of improvements until Gaute was removed to work on AoC and Craig Morrison was put in charge of AO. Unfortunately, Gaute apparently decided to make the AO support personnnel also responsible for AoC support, so now AO has NO customer support, people are having their accounts screwed up left and right, and many who have played since beta ( myself included ) have left due to the gross mismanagement of resources caused by Gaute.
    I'm happy they have a roadmap. I just hope they know how to read a map, otherwise we will be driving in circles and never get where we want to be.
    Gaute couldn't find his ass with a detailed roadmap written in bright red ink.



     

  • BanokBanok Member Posts: 38

    I agree with douhk mainly.

    FC should be like: "We're sorry we didn't have the promised pvp content for launch, we messed up. but its coming this june and we're sure you'll enjoy it and forgive us!". theres not a ton of honesty in FC. I think there marketing department often has the riens on what they say, and is making a bit of a hash of it. instead they are going for the "look everyone NEW content, what a amazing surprise for you all, its not a month late.. honest approach that anyone who has following the development probably sees through. many wont and we just think "oo pressies".

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  • fyerwallfyerwall Member UncommonPosts: 3,240
    Originally posted by hobo9766


    I think by now eidos is looking for loop holes in their contract with funcom for an escape clause. I feel sorry for eidos at this point.



     

    Right now Eidos is in a meeting with Gamespot demanding they fire the reviewer who gave AoC a Good review while threatening to pull any advertisement funds unless they score it lower :P

    "We know our Kane and Lynch game was crap, but lord oh lord this game is wrong in so many ways its not funny..."

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  • taliftalif Member Posts: 141

    I hope they keep there word for you DIE HARD FANBOIS I really do i hate to see one of you guys hurting your self if  this isn't  true    These guys really want your money i don't care how you look at it. The sad truth is some of you Fanbois won't see that until you ready.  BTW where is the DX10 the BIG Selling point on this game LOL.

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