IT'S FREAKING BETA! this isn't supposed to be completely for our enjoyment for the game. This is for them to stress test the servers and looking into lag and bug problems that occur with so many people in an area. I am going into the beta for enjoyment, but at the same time going to do what I can to see if I can find any bugs or see if there's anythign that is off or iffy.
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I certainly hope that people saying "Half the game is available in OB" are wrong... I'd hope there'd be more at endgame than there'd be 1-20.
I couldn't disagree more with this statement.
For me the enjoyment comes from the journey. I enjoy the adventuring and exploring off the beaten track. I'd like it to take forever to reach level 40 and remember they can (and will) be adding end-game content after the game launches. So why not concentrate almost entirely on 1-40 rather than pandering to the idiots who like to race through content and then complain that there is nothing to do.
I'm not familiar with exactly what scenario your referring to, but This wouldn't be the firstt time I've joined a beta and found it level capped. Ragnarok Online was level capped at 50, and City of Villains was capped during the stress tests and open beta. I fail to see the problem here.
The AoC kids like to think that WAR will be a disaster because AoC was a disaster...even though they are made by 2 separate companies and Mythic has already earned our trust through being open with their customers and from past games they've made (DAoC).
I'm shocked you mention DAOC , they had over 250k subs when there X-PAC Trials of Atlantis came out in weeks there pop dropped like flies. Now they barely get 5k at primetime. I for one enjoyed the game for a long time. But what they did to DAOC i see happening to this. 8-14 months down the road they will do another bone head move and a lot will quit.
Well, maybe the open beta only allows testing up to 20, but during the beta-testing, the high level content has been subnject to testing by players, so I wouldn't worry about much.
I must say that since Age of Conan, there have been more doomthinkers about WAR than before.
------------------------------------------ Basil Fawlty: [to telephone operator] I've been trying to get through to the speaking clock... Well, it's engaged... Well, it's been engaged for ten minutes. How is this possible? My wife isn't talking to it.
the only thing i can say is....that while AoC did this...you were restricted in the noobie area....in WAR...this is already 2/4 tiers you will get to play....so you get access to half the game. MORE than enough to decide if you like it or not. And you get access to all tier 1 and 2 pvp, quests, scenarios, etc.
I'm shocked you mention DAOC , they had over 250k subs when there X-PAC Trials of Atlantis came out in weeks there pop dropped like flies. Now they barely get 5k at primetime. I for one enjoyed the game for a long time. But what they did to DAOC i see happening to this. 8-14 months down the road they will do another bone head move and a lot will quit.
almost everyone agrees that TOA was a mistake - including TOA's Lead Designer, Mark Jacobs
I'm not familiar with exactly what scenario your referring to, but This wouldn't be the firstt time I've joined a beta and found it level capped. Ragnarok Online was level capped at 50, and City of Villains was capped during the stress tests and open beta. I fail to see the problem here.
The AoC kids like to think that WAR will be a disaster because AoC was a disaster...even though they are made by 2 separate companies and Mythic has already earned our trust through being open with their customers and from past games they've made (DAoC).
A 15 year old calling people kids, you really don't want to go there.
I don't blame anyone for expecting more of the same.
All the things being said here were said about conan and how that game wasn't going to turn out like Vanguard.
The same things were said about Vanguard and how it wasn't going to turn out like the last game before it.
The same about Tabula Rasa, etc etc etc.
Seeing restricted levels, unknown NDA lift, content being removed, the "Its still Beta" or "I'm in beta and the game rocks!", etc. It has all been said by hundreds of people in previous game betas and those games tanked.
The problem isn't people being sceptical. The problem is any credibility that people can speak of about Warhammer with first hand experience has been burned up by people hyping betas of past failures. There have been so many people that have virtually cried wolf about games that it makes putting faith in beta people these days very hard. There is such a terrible need for another good game to play that people get hopes so high and then dashed after release it is hard not to be skeptical anymore.
For example I am trying really hard not to buy into the hype and get hopes up, but I can feel it on the back of my neck. Like Mulder, I want to believe...
1. the open beta is capped because Mythic doesn't want you or even 90% of the current closed beta players to see every thing in the game . they want people to be surprised when they unlock some thing in their TOK . or go to a zone they have never seen before or the first time they come across a ...
2. the first 20 levels are not even close to half the game . there is a lot to see and do but there is a lot more once you start closing in on level 40 .
3. Mythic isn't hiding the end game because there is a problem ! i am an elder tester . i get to test city sieges and the high level zones ... even after the NDA is dropped i wont be allowed to talk about it ( i don't think ) but i can assure every one that not only is their end game content there is a lot of it . oh ya it works too !
anyway can't wait to see you all in OB , i just hope Mythic gives us elders templates for the open servers . we wont have much time to play on them and im really looking forword to dukeing it out with you new OB guys and gals . should be much fun
i just kinda skimmed over most of the posts ... 1. the open beta is capped because Mythic doesn't want you or even 90% of the current closed beta players to see every thing in the game . they want people to be surprised when they unlock some thing in their TOK . or go to a zone they have never seen before or the first time they come across a ... 2. the first 20 levels are not even close to half the game . there is a lot to see and do but there is a lot more once you start closing in on level 40 . 3. Mythic isn't hiding the end game because there is a problem ! i am an elder tester . i get to test city sieges and the high level zones ... even after the NDA is dropped i wont be allowed to talk about it ( i don't think ) but i can assure every one that not only is their end game content there is a lot of it . oh ya it works too !
anyway can't wait to see you all in OB , i just hope Mythic gives us elders templates for the open servers . we wont have much time to play on them and im really looking forword to dukeing it out with you new OB guys and gals . should be much fun
You are correct, i was stating in a literal sense it s half the game As you know i can t go into details.
I certainly hope that people saying "Half the game is available in OB" are wrong... I'd hope there'd be more at endgame than there'd be 1-20.
I couldn't disagree more with this statement.
For me the enjoyment comes from the journey. I enjoy the adventuring and exploring off the beaten track. I'd like it to take forever to reach level 40 and remember they can (and will) be adding end-game content after the game launches. So why not concentrate almost entirely on 1-40 rather than pandering to the idiots who like to race through content and then complain that there is nothing to do.
I couldn't disagree more.
Have you been reading much on the game? It has been stated over and over that the game will have much much more content in the later tiers, the leveling process will not be a long one; not some magical quest of a lifetime where you "find yourself", just time to get to know your class before the endgame content. Clearly the developers along with many others don't share your sentiment for levels 1 and 2.
One the one hand I think this is a bit foolish of Mythic, on the other hand - the powergamers will not just play OB and then not want to buy the full thing because (they think) theyve done everything.
AoC did something *similar* and I really get a bad feeling from this to be honest...
However, we should be mindful that the Closed Beta testers have been able to test tier 3 & 4 to my knowledge. I do not *know* this so.. find out for yourselves if you can..
I remain confident that WAR will not crash and burn like AoC.
Originally posted by Tawn47 One the one hand I think this is a bit foolish of Mythic, on the other hand - the powergamers will not just play OB and then not want to buy the full thing because (they think) theyve done everything. AoC did something *similar* and I really get a bad feeling from this to be honest... However, we should be mindful that the Closed Beta testers have been able to test tier 3 & 4 to my knowledge. I do not *know* this so.. find out for yourselves if you can.. I remain confident that WAR will not crash and burn like AoC.
This isn't the same thing as Funcom did, not by a long shot.
Funcom deliberatly only showed players the part of the game that was vastly different and better then the rest of the game. From my knowledge WAR does not simply change directions completely between levels 20 and 21, yet in Age of Conan it did.
Comparing Funcom only letting testers play Tortage to this is silly.
With all the bad releases in he last 1-2 years it IS a bit scary... deppending on how long the OB will last tho, that might make up for it )
Personally I don't mind the caps anyway since my goal in OB is to have some fun, maybe find and report a few bugs (if i find them) and test a few classes (or maybe all 20) for a few levels... Prolly i won even see the tier 2 zones since I don't want to spoil my fun when I actually play the game with my "perma char" but OB will give me a good feeling of the game, how it works, how to play it, what to expect... and it will give mythic some good statistical data )
Again, let's wait for the newsletter since there's a VERY good chance the OB, release and NDA drop dates will be in there... And then we can see how long the OB will be and how long from NDA drop till release...
Every discussion BEFORE that is HIGHLY speculative and therefore useless except for "killing time" ^^
Not really, seems more like a standard operating procedure. Pretty sure every AAA mmo that has released in the past few years has had a level capped openish beta. Can't think of one that hasn't.
something tells me that on th 15 of agust 400 000 Colector eddition players can download the game wish i supose is around 8 gb that will be like 3200 terrabytes of data i do hope that we all dont download it from the same server i think it might crash ore the game will take 4 ever to download......
I don't know.. all I've heard is that the point of Warhammer is not the leveling part, it is the endgame RvR. So basically beta testers are not going to get to see the 'meat' of this game at all.
I'm also very weary of the 'elite' beta testers that actually will get to play til endgame. Usually they are bigtime insiders or reporters from gamesites (that make money on advertisments). AoC had a huge group of these players that touted how great the game was all the way to 80. Almost every article written before the game launch said it was 'amazing'.
limiting your open beta to about 1/5 of the content (remember, EVERYONE is saying the game doesn't really start til lvl 40)..... to me, that is just a huge red flag and definitely means I"m going to be waiting until 2 months after launch to buy the game.
This isn't funcom, but it's exactly what funcom did. Insiders play til endgame and give rave reviews, the rest of the people play only the 'finished' areas.
I don't know.. all I've heard is that the point of Warhammer is not the leveling part, it is the endgame RvR. So basically beta testers are not going to get to see the 'meat' of this game at all. I'm also very weary of the 'elite' beta testers that actually will get to play til endgame. Usually they are bigtime insiders or reporters from gamesites (that make money on advertisments). AoC had a huge group of these players that touted how great the game was all the way to 80. Almost every article written before the game launch said it was 'amazing'. limiting your open beta to about 1/5 of the content (remember, EVERYONE is saying the game doesn't really start til lvl 40)..... to me, that is just a huge red flag and definitely means I"m going to be waiting until 2 months after launch to buy the game. This isn't funcom, but it's exactly what funcom did. Insiders play til endgame and give rave reviews, the rest of the people play only the 'finished' areas.
The leveling is largely done via RvR though so the 'meat' of the game starts instantly. Open beta is mostly meant to be a load test and keeping people in the first two tiers will do a better job of load testing. Also the elder beta testers are not insiders, they are simply all of the people who got let into beta before guild beta. I mean I understand how frustrating AOC was and how terrible the game was but don't be gunshy because of it. When the NDA drops and beta testers tell you not to worry I'd trust them, AOC beta testers knew the game was broken but they were kept under the NDA the entire time so couldn't tell anyone.
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IT'S FREAKING BETA! this isn't supposed to be completely for our enjoyment for the game. This is for them to stress test the servers and looking into lag and bug problems that occur with so many people in an area. I am going into the beta for enjoyment, but at the same time going to do what I can to see if I can find any bugs or see if there's anythign that is off or iffy.
Finwe on microphones in MMOs: "it'd eliminate l33t speak....But it would bring in ebonics."
www.warhammeronline.com/preorder/
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www.warhammeronline.com/preorder/
Exactly. You have to preorder to be in the so called "open" beta. Dirty little games.
www.warhammeronline.com/preorder/
Exactly. You have to preorder to be in the so called "open" beta. Dirty little games.
Wow is it so hard for you to read. It s been stated ALONG time ago, OB will not be for anyone with an internet connection.
I couldn't disagree more with this statement.
For me the enjoyment comes from the journey. I enjoy the adventuring and exploring off the beaten track. I'd like it to take forever to reach level 40 and remember they can (and will) be adding end-game content after the game launches. So why not concentrate almost entirely on 1-40 rather than pandering to the idiots who like to race through content and then complain that there is nothing to do.
The AoC kids like to think that WAR will be a disaster because AoC was a disaster...even though they are made by 2 separate companies and Mythic has already earned our trust through being open with their customers and from past games they've made (DAoC).
I'm shocked you mention DAOC , they had over 250k subs when there X-PAC Trials of Atlantis came out in weeks there pop dropped like flies. Now they barely get 5k at primetime. I for one enjoyed the game for a long time. But what they did to DAOC i see happening to this. 8-14 months down the road they will do another bone head move and a lot will quit.
Well, maybe the open beta only allows testing up to 20, but during the beta-testing, the high level content has been subnject to testing by players, so I wouldn't worry about much.
I must say that since Age of Conan, there have been more doomthinkers about WAR than before.
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Basil Fawlty: [to telephone operator] I've been trying to get through to the speaking clock... Well, it's engaged... Well, it's been engaged for ten minutes. How is this possible? My wife isn't talking to it.
hmm brightside is i will get to try all of the careers and not just be stuck trying to get one to 20+
the only thing i can say is....that while AoC did this...you were restricted in the noobie area....in WAR...this is already 2/4 tiers you will get to play....so you get access to half the game. MORE than enough to decide if you like it or not. And you get access to all tier 1 and 2 pvp, quests, scenarios, etc.
almost everyone agrees that TOA was a mistake - including TOA's Lead Designer, Mark Jacobs
www.uoforums.com/f548/interesting-mark-jacobs-post-mythics-reputation-38181/
will Mythic make another big blunder, doubt it but never know
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The AoC kids like to think that WAR will be a disaster because AoC was a disaster...even though they are made by 2 separate companies and Mythic has already earned our trust through being open with their customers and from past games they've made (DAoC).
A 15 year old calling people kids, you really don't want to go there.
I don't blame anyone for expecting more of the same.
All the things being said here were said about conan and how that game wasn't going to turn out like Vanguard.
The same things were said about Vanguard and how it wasn't going to turn out like the last game before it.
The same about Tabula Rasa, etc etc etc.
Seeing restricted levels, unknown NDA lift, content being removed, the "Its still Beta" or "I'm in beta and the game rocks!", etc. It has all been said by hundreds of people in previous game betas and those games tanked.
The problem isn't people being sceptical. The problem is any credibility that people can speak of about Warhammer with first hand experience has been burned up by people hyping betas of past failures. There have been so many people that have virtually cried wolf about games that it makes putting faith in beta people these days very hard. There is such a terrible need for another good game to play that people get hopes so high and then dashed after release it is hard not to be skeptical anymore.
For example I am trying really hard not to buy into the hype and get hopes up, but I can feel it on the back of my neck. Like Mulder, I want to believe...
Nice. Leaves us more space for good surprises when the game finally ships.
i just kinda skimmed over most of the posts ...
1. the open beta is capped because Mythic doesn't want you or even 90% of the current closed beta players to see every thing in the game . they want people to be surprised when they unlock some thing in their TOK . or go to a zone they have never seen before or the first time they come across a ...
2. the first 20 levels are not even close to half the game . there is a lot to see and do but there is a lot more once you start closing in on level 40 .
3. Mythic isn't hiding the end game because there is a problem ! i am an elder tester . i get to test city sieges and the high level zones ... even after the NDA is dropped i wont be allowed to talk about it ( i don't think ) but i can assure every one that not only is their end game content there is a lot of it . oh ya it works too !
anyway can't wait to see you all in OB , i just hope Mythic gives us elders templates for the open servers . we wont have much time to play on them and im really looking forword to dukeing it out with you new OB guys and gals . should be much fun
The 20+ content will still be getting tested by the elder testers which will make sure it`s just right for the head start.
You are correct, i was stating in a literal sense it s half the game
As you know i can t go into details.
I couldn't disagree more with this statement.
For me the enjoyment comes from the journey. I enjoy the adventuring and exploring off the beaten track. I'd like it to take forever to reach level 40 and remember they can (and will) be adding end-game content after the game launches. So why not concentrate almost entirely on 1-40 rather than pandering to the idiots who like to race through content and then complain that there is nothing to do.
I couldn't disagree more.
Have you been reading much on the game? It has been stated over and over that the game will have much much more content in the later tiers, the leveling process will not be a long one; not some magical quest of a lifetime where you "find yourself", just time to get to know your class before the endgame content. Clearly the developers along with many others don't share your sentiment for levels 1 and 2.
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well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
One the one hand I think this is a bit foolish of Mythic, on the other hand - the powergamers will not just play OB and then not want to buy the full thing because (they think) theyve done everything.
AoC did something *similar* and I really get a bad feeling from this to be honest...
However, we should be mindful that the Closed Beta testers have been able to test tier 3 & 4 to my knowledge. I do not *know* this so.. find out for yourselves if you can..
I remain confident that WAR will not crash and burn like AoC.
This isn't the same thing as Funcom did, not by a long shot.
Funcom deliberatly only showed players the part of the game that was vastly different and better then the rest of the game. From my knowledge WAR does not simply change directions completely between levels 20 and 21, yet in Age of Conan it did.
Comparing Funcom only letting testers play Tortage to this is silly.
i meant by half the game is that you are going to see 2/4 tiers, and 20/40 pve levels...pure numbers. I was not alluding to content at all.
With all the bad releases in he last 1-2 years it IS a bit scary... deppending on how long the OB will last tho, that might make up for it
)
Personally I don't mind the caps anyway since my goal in OB is to have some fun, maybe find and report a few bugs (if i find them) and test a few classes (or maybe all 20) for a few levels... Prolly i won even see the tier 2 zones since I don't want to spoil my fun when I actually play the game with my "perma char" but OB will give me a good feeling of the game, how it works, how to play it, what to expect... and it will give mythic some good statistical data
)
Again, let's wait for the newsletter since there's a VERY good chance the OB, release and NDA drop dates will be in there... And then we can see how long the OB will be and how long from NDA drop till release...
Every discussion BEFORE that is HIGHLY speculative and therefore useless except for "killing time" ^^
Not really, seems more like a standard operating procedure. Pretty sure every AAA mmo that has released in the past few years has had a level capped openish beta. Can't think of one that hasn't.
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
something tells me that on th 15 of agust 400 000 Colector eddition players can download the game wish i supose is around 8 gb that will be like 3200 terrabytes of data i do hope that we all dont download it from the same server i think it might crash ore the game will take 4 ever to download......
I don't know.. all I've heard is that the point of Warhammer is not the leveling part, it is the endgame RvR. So basically beta testers are not going to get to see the 'meat' of this game at all.
I'm also very weary of the 'elite' beta testers that actually will get to play til endgame. Usually they are bigtime insiders or reporters from gamesites (that make money on advertisments). AoC had a huge group of these players that touted how great the game was all the way to 80. Almost every article written before the game launch said it was 'amazing'.
limiting your open beta to about 1/5 of the content (remember, EVERYONE is saying the game doesn't really start til lvl 40)..... to me, that is just a huge red flag and definitely means I"m going to be waiting until 2 months after launch to buy the game.
This isn't funcom, but it's exactly what funcom did. Insiders play til endgame and give rave reviews, the rest of the people play only the 'finished' areas.
The leveling is largely done via RvR though so the 'meat' of the game starts instantly. Open beta is mostly meant to be a load test and keeping people in the first two tiers will do a better job of load testing. Also the elder beta testers are not insiders, they are simply all of the people who got let into beta before guild beta. I mean I understand how frustrating AOC was and how terrible the game was but don't be gunshy because of it. When the NDA drops and beta testers tell you not to worry I'd trust them, AOC beta testers knew the game was broken but they were kept under the NDA the entire time so couldn't tell anyone.