Here we go again . . . I am not going to bash religion but it is the root of most of the censorship issues of today. Even though sexual relations and appearances of a naked human are completely natural it has been painted as a sin and should be covered up. Until humanity, as a whole, can grow up and accept their sexuality it will always be seen as a taboo to some.
I for one do not mind full frontal nudity of either sex and if done tastefully can be a form of art. This is the other issue, nudity in video games is as disgraceful as it can ever be. When developers figure out how to make nudity art is when we will see more of an acceptance. Until then look forward to the same childish snickering and hateful grimaces.
Here we go again . . . I am not going to bash religion but it is the root of most of the censorship issues of today. Even though sexual relations and appearances of a naked human are completely natural it has been painted as a sin and should be covered up.
Completely false, churches used to be full of nudity and there are thousands of religious paintings displaying nudity.
Here we go again . . . I am not going to bash religion but it is the root of most of the censorship issues of today. Even though sexual relations and appearances of a naked human are completely natural it has been painted as a sin and should be covered up.
Completely false, churches used to be full of nudity and there are thousands of religious paintings displaying nudity.
Try again.
You said it not me.
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Originally posted by Waterlily Completely false, churches used to be full of nudity and there are thousands of religious paintings displaying nudity. Try again.
You said it not me.
Which only furthens my premise that it's not religion that censors. It's people.
Originally posted by Waterlily Completely false, churches used to be full of nudity and there are thousands of religious paintings displaying nudity. Try again.
You said it not me.
Which only furthens my premise that it's not religion that censors. It's people.
It really all comes down how one reads the context. Although, even as a child I remember my parents and grandparents talking about how sexual relations before marriage was a straight ticket to hell. But that is enough of that, this is not a religious debate.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
I personally play games to have fun and relax. I don't really need the added bonus of it being too realistic. That means I do not need to see balls , tits or any other part of a character for any type of reason up to and including role play.
That being said , If a game I played did have full nudity .... I'd more than likely be a perv/wierdo. Ok .... jk. On the serious side, If it did .... I wouldn't care. But I can see it now ..... tea bags galore in pvp. Random aholes dancing nude in town non stop. Yeah so by making the character more realistic would in effect make actions within the game more unrealistic.
It really all comes down how one reads the context. Although, even as a child I remember my parents and grandparents talking about how sexual relations before marriage was a straight ticket to hell. But that is enough of that, this is not a religious debate.
No it's not, but it is dangerous when people start to blame Western religions such as christianity for the cause of censorship. It's simply not the case, it's simply religious people trying to censor nudity.
The two are something completely different, if anything religion used to go hand in hand with nudity in a lot more ways than people think, both influencing art and medicine. I just wanted to point this out before some "crusaders" start blaming religion.
GTA is at it again, putting full male frontal nudiity in their game this time.
Do you want to see a big penis in your MMORPG? Or do you just want little anime girls with big swords and a thong? Is this a double standard, or the way it should be?
I've seen the sexy girls in armor in MMO's threads here. What if there were a male penis' in MMO's thread? How would you like that? I"m thinking not so much. Edit: The link above is totally work safe. It's a link to an article by MSNBC. No pictures of big penises.
To put it politely, anyone that really cares about nudity (or for that matter fake computer generated nudity) is kind of a nut job. Who really cares about the naked body, we all have genitals and we can all handle seeing them.
Censorship is ridiculous in the US, whether it's nudity or swearing. A teenager is allowed to see someone cut of heads, stick them on poles, gut someone, explode people etc. Games and movies with all that violence are rated lower. But now if that game/movie has someone standing there nude.... holy crap get the censor mobiles we have to act fast!.
Topics like this remind me how truly ridiculous people can be.
How would you feel if your 6 year old kid was looking out the window and you wondered what was so interesting... you go see and lo and behold there's a naked man on your front lawn. Would you call the cops or applaud him for his "artistic expression"?
Here.. lemme "face plam' ya
.... Seriously? Like honestly? No one thought to mention "hey how about this then? how about a naked guy on the lawn and a fully clothed guy shooting people with a shotgun on the street? Which would you tell the cops about?". Come on, if you say you would tell them about the naked guy, then you are one sick mother. Or maybe you'd like to commend him for his "genocidal expression"? Do you see the point? Or do I have to spell it out for you? Apparently murder is a-ok but nudity is gonna make your kids crazy .
here... lemme face "plamya"
P.S. I would be more worried about a random clothed guy standing on my lawn tbh, at least I know the naked guy is either a loonie or had some bad luck, who the hell knows what the clothed guy's thinking. I mean hell, people don't make it a habit of standing on other people's lawns.
P.P.S. Seeing as I had good parenting, despite the fact that I've been seeing mass murder and nudity on tv quite often, I'm not a psychopath (I hope....). So deal with it, learn to take proper care of your kid.
LMFAO! I made no reference to your paranoia in any statement I've made thus far so how do you know how I would react to your "scenario"? I agree with you on what you say in your...ummm...retort. The issue at hand was about a PENIS and not murdering hooligans and pedophiles who DO exist... yes they do... I just fail to understand why you assume so much based on nothing. Congratulations on your success in making it through your childhood with morals in tact. Kinda sad to see that a simple typo is something you consider 'ammo' though.
And no it was not that nudity will make my "kids crazy". I was pointing out that nudity is not acceptable under certain conditions and having someone come randomly into any situation to display a penis (or any other sexual organ) is suspect as to it's intentions and can create concerns for parents in general. As for violence and gore I don't condone any of it when it comes to impressionable children. Certain knowlege should not be a part of everyday life since it is detremental to the mental health of children to see guts and brains all over ANYTHING whether it's a video game or a car accident and I do all I can to keep my kids from having to deal with those things until there is a reason, need and capability for them to understand it in rational terms without causing undue distress or paranoia.
So next time I don't include YOUR issue in a statement please understand that I am not disagreeing with you through omission. I also suggest you take a little break from your perfectionism in regards to typos. It's typing and not a real concern such as the issues at hand. Get a little perspective.
It really all comes down how one reads the context. Although, even as a child I remember my parents and grandparents talking about how sexual relations before marriage was a straight ticket to hell. But that is enough of that, this is not a religious debate.
No it's not, but it is dangerous when people start to blame Western religions such as christianity for the cause of censorship. It's simply not the case, it's simply religious people trying to censor nudity.
The two are something completely different, if anything religion used to go hand in hand with nudity in a lot more ways than people think, both influencing art and medicine. I just wanted to point this out before some "crusaders" start blaming religion.
Arguing for arguments sake. Good for you.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
No it's not, but it is dangerous when people start to blame Western religions such as christianity for the cause of censorship. It's simply not the case, it's simply religious people trying to censor nudity. The two are something completely different, if anything religion used to go hand in hand with nudity in a lot more ways than people think, both influencing art and medicine. I just wanted to point this out before some "crusaders" start blaming religion.
Arguing for arguments sake. Good for you.
Actually no, I'm not. Are you telling me there's no difference between a religion and a certain demographic of people practicing that religion?
There is a world of difference. A Christian objecting nudity does not mean the religion itself does. You were trying to blame the religion itself and I corrected you about it, referencing how nudity didn't used to be so frowned upon, rightly so.
There's no arguing for arguments sake here, they are two distinctly different things.
The day you learn the difference between religious practicioners and the religion itself is the day you'll understand why it's dangerous to pretend they are one and the same.
Honestly, I'd settle for an MMO that released when it's slated with all of the features boasted. As for genitalia in MMo's, I'll cross that bridge when I reach it.
The day you learn the difference between religious practicioners and the religion itself is the day you'll understand why it's dangerous to pretend they are one and the same.
Do away with one and the other disappears as well. They are close enough for a generalization and that is what I used.
It's a Jeep thing. . . _______ |___| \_______/ = |||||| = |X| \*........*/ |X| |X|_________|X| You wouldn't understand
Originally posted by Waterlily Completely false, churches used to be full of nudity and there are thousands of religious paintings displaying nudity. Try again.
You said it not me.
Which only furthens my premise that it's not religion that censors. It's people.
Sorry Waterlily, it's religion.
Go to the Vatican Art gallery and check out all the paintings, and Sculptures that had leaves added over the genitalia.
And a religion is a group of people, you can't have a religion without people.
And yes there are many prude Christians in the world, many that believe sex should be for procreation only and the lust is a sin.
One of the reasons I don't belong to any religion, even though I believe in God is that religions are just a bunch of people talking crap all the time, I don't trust them.
I trust God, not people, when it comes to knowing about God.
Even the bible was written by people, edited and translated by people, studied and researched by people. It's all just people, people that can make mistakes and can be wrong.
Originally posted by Waterlily Completely false, churches used to be full of nudity and there are thousands of religious paintings displaying nudity. Try again.
You said it not me.
Which only furthens my premise that it's not religion that censors. It's people.
Sorry Waterlily, it's religion.
Go to the Vatican Art gallery and check out all the paintings, and Sculptures that had leaves added over the genitalia.
The only reason censorship happens is becuase people accept it. Instead, in the U.S. for instance the masses say " well the FCC controls the media, and that's just the way it is" even tho most of what they deem censorable is met by indifference by most American citizens. Using the Vatican as a proving point is just pointless because they've opressed and bullied the masses for centuries. That's just an example of religon run amok.
Sorry I've been wanting to do this while reading the whole thread....
8===D << penis
I do think Waterlilly is being unreasonable. You could say, I"m a Christian but I believe everyone should be naked all the time and have sex all day as long as they are adults. So there, that shows the Christian religion is ok with nudity and sex!
But really, it just shows YOU are ok with it.
For the entire Christian religion, we'd need to ask the leaders of Prostetant and Catholic demonimations. I think WaterLilly would be outnumbered by the Pope, the Biships, Pastors, Preists and so forth.
IMO, those folks have the authority to say what "Christianity" will put up with and what it won't. If you say "I'm a Christian, but I made up all my own rules" you don't speak for anyone but yourself.
Sorry I've been wanting to do this while reading the whole thread....
8===D << penis
I do think Waterlilly is being unreasonable. You could say, I"m a Christian but I believe everyone should be naked all the time and have sex all day as long as they are adults. So there, that shows the Christian religion is ok with nudity and sex!
But really, it just shows YOU are ok with it.
For the entire Christian religion, we'd need to ask the leaders of Prostetant and Catholic demonimations. I think WaterLilly would be outnumbered by the Pope, the Biships, Pastors, Preists and so forth.
IMO, those folks have the authority to say what "Christianity" will put up with and what it won't. If you say "I'm a Christian, but I made up all my own rules" you don't speak for anyone but yourself.
Yes the majority of the conservtive religions would outnumber Waterlilly and most of the rest of us as well... you included
I have always found it odd that most people who use religion as an argument don't have the balls to include the laws of Islam in their remarks and only the "turn the other cheek" Christians seem to take all of the beatings. I guess nobody wants a suicide bomber finding out where they live and showing up with a little gift to celebrate their "infidelity".
As far as Dynamo112's little... errrm... emote? goes, I thought it was a laughing alligator at first! Thanks for the "<<penis" or I would have been left clueless! (JK!) And see? I didn't faint or anything and the world is still rolling through the cosmos! Wonderful! Just don't teach my kids that until they're at least in highschool
How would you feel if your 6 year old kid was looking out the window and you wondered what was so interesting... you go see and lo and behold there's a naked man on your front lawn. Would you call the cops or applaud him for his "artistic expression"?
Here.. lemme "face plam' ya
What is the problem if your 6 old kid is looking to a naked man or a naked woman?
Penises are not mythical objects, everyone should look at them and understand body and sexuality are naturals.
If you think you should call the cops if a kid can see genitals the one with deep moral issues related to genitals and children is you.
Yes nude bodies are related to artistic expression, but what you discribed is just the natural side of life, if you hide genitals and sexuality from children you will damage them, it doesnt matter if it is an artistic expression or if it is natural nudity.
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I could not have said it better myself.
http://zazzle.com/drooling_tiger*
Iam waiting for the day we will be able to edit the genitals of our characters.
Male genitals, female genitals, animal races genitals, hermafrodite and transsexual characters, it would be a nice feature in the character creation.
It is time for sexuality to be open in MMORPGs without sexism or preconceptions, it is natural, it is human, it is instinctive, expressive and needed.
Sexuality is much more important than any destructive human aspect, if we can kill in MMORPGs, sexuality should be there as a positive counterpart.
Yes, I do want to see big, small, medium penises and vaginas in my MMORPG as I can see them in real life, in art, in cinema etc
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I've come across far too many giant dicks in MMORPGs to believe this is some recent or future phenomenon.
Haha, clever indeed I do have to agree though.
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Completely false, churches used to be full of nudity and there are thousands of religious paintings displaying nudity.
Try again.
Completely false, churches used to be full of nudity and there are thousands of religious paintings displaying nudity.
Try again.
You said it not me.
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You said it not me.
Which only furthens my premise that it's not religion that censors. It's people.
You said it not me.
Which only furthens my premise that it's not religion that censors. It's people.
It really all comes down how one reads the context. Although, even as a child I remember my parents and grandparents talking about how sexual relations before marriage was a straight ticket to hell. But that is enough of that, this is not a religious debate.
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I personally play games to have fun and relax. I don't really need the added bonus of it being too realistic. That means I do not need to see balls , tits or any other part of a character for any type of reason up to and including role play.
That being said , If a game I played did have full nudity .... I'd more than likely be a perv/wierdo. Ok .... jk. On the serious side, If it did .... I wouldn't care. But I can see it now ..... tea bags galore in pvp. Random aholes dancing nude in town non stop. Yeah so by making the character more realistic would in effect make actions within the game more unrealistic.
No it's not, but it is dangerous when people start to blame Western religions such as christianity for the cause of censorship. It's simply not the case, it's simply religious people trying to censor nudity.
The two are something completely different, if anything religion used to go hand in hand with nudity in a lot more ways than people think, both influencing art and medicine. I just wanted to point this out before some "crusaders" start blaming religion.
To put it politely, anyone that really cares about nudity (or for that matter fake computer generated nudity) is kind of a nut job. Who really cares about the naked body, we all have genitals and we can all handle seeing them.
Censorship is ridiculous in the US, whether it's nudity or swearing. A teenager is allowed to see someone cut of heads, stick them on poles, gut someone, explode people etc. Games and movies with all that violence are rated lower. But now if that game/movie has someone standing there nude.... holy crap get the censor mobiles we have to act fast!.
Topics like this remind me how truly ridiculous people can be.
penis is part of my body, part of my life, i love penis
How would you feel if your 6 year old kid was looking out the window and you wondered what was so interesting... you go see and lo and behold there's a naked man on your front lawn. Would you call the cops or applaud him for his "artistic expression"?
Here.. lemme "face plam' ya
.... Seriously? Like honestly? No one thought to mention "hey how about this then? how about a naked guy on the lawn and a fully clothed guy shooting people with a shotgun on the street? Which would you tell the cops about?". Come on, if you say you would tell them about the naked guy, then you are one sick mother. Or maybe you'd like to commend him for his "genocidal expression"? Do you see the point? Or do I have to spell it out for you? Apparently murder is a-ok but nudity is gonna make your kids crazy
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here... lemme face "plam ya"
P.S. I would be more worried about a random clothed guy standing on my lawn tbh, at least I know the naked guy is either a loonie or had some bad luck, who the hell knows what the clothed guy's thinking. I mean hell, people don't make it a habit of standing on other people's lawns.
P.P.S. Seeing as I had good parenting, despite the fact that I've been seeing mass murder and nudity on tv quite often, I'm not a psychopath (I hope....). So deal with it, learn to take proper care of your kid.
LMFAO! I made no reference to your paranoia in any statement I've made thus far so how do you know how I would react to your "scenario"? I agree with you on what you say in your...ummm...retort. The issue at hand was about a PENIS and not murdering hooligans and pedophiles who DO exist... yes they do... I just fail to understand why you assume so much based on nothing. Congratulations on your success in making it through your childhood with morals in tact. Kinda sad to see that a simple typo is something you consider 'ammo' though.
And no it was not that nudity will make my "kids crazy". I was pointing out that nudity is not acceptable under certain conditions and having someone come randomly into any situation to display a penis (or any other sexual organ) is suspect as to it's intentions and can create concerns for parents in general. As for violence and gore I don't condone any of it when it comes to impressionable children. Certain knowlege should not be a part of everyday life since it is detremental to the mental health of children to see guts and brains all over ANYTHING whether it's a video game or a car accident and I do all I can to keep my kids from having to deal with those things until there is a reason, need and capability for them to understand it in rational terms without causing undue distress or paranoia.
So next time I don't include YOUR issue in a statement please understand that I am not disagreeing with you through omission. I also suggest you take a little break from your perfectionism in regards to typos. It's typing and not a real concern such as the issues at hand. Get a little perspective.
No it's not, but it is dangerous when people start to blame Western religions such as christianity for the cause of censorship. It's simply not the case, it's simply religious people trying to censor nudity.
The two are something completely different, if anything religion used to go hand in hand with nudity in a lot more ways than people think, both influencing art and medicine. I just wanted to point this out before some "crusaders" start blaming religion.
Arguing for arguments sake. Good for you.
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Arguing for arguments sake. Good for you.
Actually no, I'm not. Are you telling me there's no difference between a religion and a certain demographic of people practicing that religion?
There is a world of difference. A Christian objecting nudity does not mean the religion itself does. You were trying to blame the religion itself and I corrected you about it, referencing how nudity didn't used to be so frowned upon, rightly so.
There's no arguing for arguments sake here, they are two distinctly different things.
all that drama for a penis in a videogame..... google shemale and turn off safesearch, how bad is a penis now? huh? lol.
Here you are Lily, written by a priest.
http://innerself.com/Sex_Talk/Sex_And_Religion.htm
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The day you learn the difference between religious practicioners and the religion itself is the day you'll understand why it's dangerous to pretend they are one and the same.
Honestly, I'd settle for an MMO that released when it's slated with all of the features boasted. As for genitalia in MMo's, I'll cross that bridge when I reach it.
Do away with one and the other disappears as well. They are close enough for a generalization and that is what I used.
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You said it not me.
Which only furthens my premise that it's not religion that censors. It's people.
Sorry Waterlily, it's religion.
Go to the Vatican Art gallery and check out all the paintings, and Sculptures that had leaves added over the genitalia.
And a religion is a group of people, you can't have a religion without people.
And yes there are many prude Christians in the world, many that believe sex should be for procreation only and the lust is a sin.
One of the reasons I don't belong to any religion, even though I believe in God is that religions are just a bunch of people talking crap all the time, I don't trust them.
I trust God, not people, when it comes to knowing about God.
Even the bible was written by people, edited and translated by people, studied and researched by people. It's all just people, people that can make mistakes and can be wrong.
You said it not me.
Which only furthens my premise that it's not religion that censors. It's people.
Sorry Waterlily, it's religion.
Go to the Vatican Art gallery and check out all the paintings, and Sculptures that had leaves added over the genitalia.
The only reason censorship happens is becuase people accept it. Instead, in the U.S. for instance the masses say " well the FCC controls the media, and that's just the way it is" even tho most of what they deem censorable is met by indifference by most American citizens. Using the Vatican as a proving point is just pointless because they've opressed and bullied the masses for centuries. That's just an example of religon run amok.
I do think Waterlilly is being unreasonable. You could say, I"m a Christian but I believe everyone should be naked all the time and have sex all day as long as they are adults. So there, that shows the Christian religion is ok with nudity and sex!
But really, it just shows YOU are ok with it.
For the entire Christian religion, we'd need to ask the leaders of Prostetant and Catholic demonimations. I think WaterLilly would be outnumbered by the Pope, the Biships, Pastors, Preists and so forth.
IMO, those folks have the authority to say what "Christianity" will put up with and what it won't. If you say "I'm a Christian, but I made up all my own rules" you don't speak for anyone but yourself.
I do think Waterlilly is being unreasonable. You could say, I"m a Christian but I believe everyone should be naked all the time and have sex all day as long as they are adults. So there, that shows the Christian religion is ok with nudity and sex!
But really, it just shows YOU are ok with it.
For the entire Christian religion, we'd need to ask the leaders of Prostetant and Catholic demonimations. I think WaterLilly would be outnumbered by the Pope, the Biships, Pastors, Preists and so forth.
IMO, those folks have the authority to say what "Christianity" will put up with and what it won't. If you say "I'm a Christian, but I made up all my own rules" you don't speak for anyone but yourself.
Yes the majority of the conservtive religions would outnumber Waterlilly and most of the rest of us as well... you included
I have always found it odd that most people who use religion as an argument don't have the balls to include the laws of Islam in their remarks and only the "turn the other cheek" Christians seem to take all of the beatings. I guess nobody wants a suicide bomber finding out where they live and showing up with a little gift to celebrate their "infidelity".
As far as Dynamo112's little... errrm... emote? goes, I thought it was a laughing alligator at first! Thanks for the "<<penis" or I would have been left clueless! (JK!
) And see? I didn't faint or anything and the world is still rolling through the cosmos! Wonderful! Just don't teach my kids that until they're at least in highschool
How would you feel if your 6 year old kid was looking out the window and you wondered what was so interesting... you go see and lo and behold there's a naked man on your front lawn. Would you call the cops or applaud him for his "artistic expression"?
Here.. lemme "face plam' ya
What is the problem if your 6 old kid is looking to a naked man or a naked woman?
Penises are not mythical objects, everyone should look at them and understand body and sexuality are naturals.
If you think you should call the cops if a kid can see genitals the one with deep moral issues related to genitals and children is you.
Yes nude bodies are related to artistic expression, but what you discribed is just the natural side of life, if you hide genitals and sexuality from children you will damage them, it doesnt matter if it is an artistic expression or if it is natural nudity.
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