Anybody with a slight bit of sense for quality knew this was coming. Low Budget games, especialy mmorpg's, are rarely good and Darkfall is no exception.
The fact they deal with criticism this way just proves what kind of a company they are.
Anybody with a slight bit of sense for quality knew this was coming. Low Budget games, especialy mmorpg's, are rarely good and Darkfall is no exception. The fact they deal with criticism this way just proves what kind of a company they are.
seems though most companies with quite a high budget dont manage to throw somin good on the market either. I think the main problem is the lack of innovation.
And yeah suicidal act by Tasos ...at least a kneeshot
Eurogamer is pure trash. That review was directly hateful, in addition to flawed.
I will never again read anything from them - and I am far from a DF fanboy (I have played the game, so I know what it is like, and that review was out to damage DF).
Careful parts of the sky may hit you, get your tinfoil hat out. . .
I have no reason to believe Tasos either, if he wants to prove that his game is not a pile then release free trials.
You sincerely don't know why they can't do that?
If they can't have open sale, how the hell do you think they could have free trial?
They made a game, they cannot have open sale, what does that mean?
RETARDED.
Should they have open trial? Or, should I ask, can we talk reason to such a developer?
I think I should go home as politely ask the dog next door to stop barking when I want to sleep. That might be easier.
Frankly the review is correct, there is some hyperbole and it got a bit subjective, but it seems like that preconceived hate spawned from somewhere. If you have been following the trials and tribulation of the darkfall saga you cannot disagree with the essence of what he has to say about the game. Watching people get into to beta and then post their true feelings about the the game in open forums, beta leak forums and etc, watching the draconian mod/dev/gm reaction and bannings for what seem to be meagre and just reactions to a poor product. When the 'legally binding' gag was lifted and we got to see what people other than the long term cartoonist friend had to say about the clearly unfinished beta, the ideology became a little bit more russian than reality. This of course after a long drawn out courting period in which countless people became hooked on this glorious michalangeon chapelesque envisage actively prophecized by the mod's and devs of the game where years and years of benign speculation created a throbbing mass of human lust and a tsunami of optimism for the dawn of a quoted new era.
When the first leaks came through they were caused by the deserters of the closed beta, long term followers hand picked by the dev's and mod's from the over ripe tree of forumfall each player bursting at the seams with the sap of goodwill and thanks. These people after one, two weeks some days turned foul from the inside out. Their core rotting at the sight of what for 8 years they pictured as the perfect game for themselves and what they were presented with was a reflection from another minds mirror. These people flooded the boards with scathing reviews towers with infinite range, lmb spam, towers even being placed, catatonic AI. The first signs were appearing that the marketing employed by the av team wasn't too good, but far too ambitious, no one can claim perfection tasos, you and your riot cocooned designers should have realized this, you can never promise people eden, people do stupid things for eden Tasos, and when one thing goes wrong they understand that perfection isn't present, when 20 things go wrong the joke begins to fade and when it's more than obvious that there is a lot wrong with the proposed eden, disdain and hatred soon prevail, the apple is devoured out of scorn more than anything and backs are turned with a whimper of laughter at what unhumanly revenge they will concoct.
Finally, due to assumed financial restrictions and the pressure mounting due to consecutive missed release dates the prison walls caved in completely but the trickle of captives slowly realized the oppurtunity to escape was here. Some blinded by the bright sun stumbled out into agon, slowly people found their own way in through a maze of rumour and chance. Some were near the original leak when it happened, some still wait there turn patiently. These people were in turn caught up in real world matters more prevalent than the actual life of freedom expected from the surprise release. Money issues here, failing to find consistent connections there, and the queing, something that when previously endured didn't seem to have the chemical after taste as any of their similar endeavors. More hate spilled out this time without an NDA to protect them, public gunnings and exiles were employed. Character destroying or not, the words are apparently more dangerous than our actions the mod's concluded.
Still people claw to the prophecy while obvious flaws hang dubiously in front of them but the memory of the eden in which they were promised is a hard carrot to kick. Perhaps it will come, in the mean time it's a work in perfect progress. Damn the debators and the doubters, it's a possibility! Well children possibility is a hard learned gambling term and another well known phrase in that circle is the house always wins. Is the witnessing of the rheumatics being re-upholstered really worth your kronas? This observer doesn't agree. Who sails on an unfinished ship? Who stands next to someone who's attitude you physically shake your head at and call them peer with an ignorant thumb bitten towards decent society. Perhaps this game is for the beaten player, the one who doesn't belong, who doesn't agree. Well you've found a maker who has made your eden. A horrible tangled mess of basic concepts strung together on a guitar with strings ending not on the parallel to which they began. A mesh of broken dreams and a place in which you are able to release your feelings about what sits before you. A game that inhabits itself and at least holds the disease within, not escaping its over governed boundaries. A fine cancer, one needed for others to exist without worry that it will infect their lifetime.
None of this can be sanely contested, if it is you will be instantly identified as an infected and left to your own convictions. The only possible reaction aroused will be an all saying, all defining bemused eyebrow. The motion stands..
Perhaps they have personal accounts more advanced and used those for the review. They dont need to love the game to play it and it would be obvious that if they gave bad reviews AV would excuse it as low playing time.
I am not commenting on the game or the review. I find it very unprofessional that Tasos posted that message. A developer attacking a reviewer (even if the reviewer is a complete idiot) and revealing information about an account is one of the worst thing a game developer can do. I do realize that much of what Tasos writes is correct, but it is not proper for a developer to do that. It would be like someone at Bethesda/Capcom (or whoever) saying the reviewer of at such and such is a idiot and a liar. That kinda just rubs me the wrong way as it comes off looking like a group of whiny little turds. A professional company that felt they were wronged by a reviewer would release a statement or post a message fixing the contradictions, but would not attack the reviewer and call them a liar. Post the corrections explain but do not give out account information to prove your point nor should you attack the reviewer. You would think that Tasos and everyone over there would have grown some tough skin do to the amount of dislike/hate this game get, but no they act like a little kid.
QFT. I don't care how inaccurate a review was. There's probably tons of WoW 'reviews' that tear it to shreds. They all mean nothing because WoW has more money than Jesus coming in for Blizzard. The negative DF review in question meant nothing until AV stooped to its level, then sunk even lower to respond.
Not to mention - why would I trust anything Tasos says about the reviewer accounts? He's lied about a TON of stuff publicly for years. His resume, the status of beta, the enabled features in the game to name just the tip of the iceberg.
The review was so full of blatant lies and misinformation it was all I could do to read it. Even the caption "you can't turn the UI the UI off..." is bullshit. (ALT+H by default)
He complained of sluggish mouse response, and yet I bet he never even bothered to turn up sensitivity, or try toggling mouse smoothing.
In short....he didn't even TRY. He spewed out a short list of bullshit, and went back to raiding in WoW, I'll wager.
Fire the idiot...he can't do his job, and is nothing short of incompetant.
The review was so full of blatant lies and misinformation it was all I could do to read it. Even the caption "you can't turn the UI the UI off..." is bullshit. (ALT+H by default) He complained of sluggish mouse response, and yet I bet he never even bothered to turn up sensitivity, or try toggling mouse smoothing. In short....he didn't even TRY. He spewed out a short list of bullshit, and went back to raiding in WoW, I'll wager. Fire the idiot...he can't do his job, and is nothing short of incompetant.
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Really why is this a surprise to people. I understand there is a small core group of people that like darkfall, but even they should realize how everyone else views the game. There has been constant negative feedback on this game since before release and it never ends, but suddenly now there is all this shock that a publication came to the same conclusions? It's fine to enjoy a game that no one else does, but you should at least accept that no one else likes it and not be shocked.
I don't think it's a good trend to get into bashing any review that is bad, it's going to happen. People should also remember a review is still just one guy's opinion and not freak out. The bottom line is it isn't something to insult and yell back and forth, learn to be adults about disagreements.
The time spent playing is pretty irrelevant. Gamers know within minutes whether or not a game is good, and worth playing.
I gave Darkfall many hours over a week's timespan. I won't be as harsh as the reviewer for Eurogamer, but I would give the game a pretty low score. Probably 4, 4.5.
The really insulting thing about playing the game is that I really, really wanted to enjoy it, but couldn't. It's like being promised a Snickers bar only to be presented with one that's "Fun Size."
If the developers at Aventurine really want their game to be successful, they won't dismiss the review. They'll carefully read every word, and correct every issue brought up. If they truly want a "niche game" with very few subscribers, don't expect it to exist for very long.
The last sentence is the true gem of this entire long debacle.
The review only touched the first 10 minutes of what the game has to offer. If you want to know what it has to offer. You need to do a few things first: You need to join an active and significant clan that plays a part in the political scheme of things. You need to play the game more than an hour or two a day and for more than one or two weeks. And finally, you have to realize this is partially a sandbox, meaning you have to have the creativity and intelligence to make your own entertainment or start your own adventures. If you can't meet any of those 3 criteria, then you're too casual for DF or at least, you won't enjoy it very much at all.
Then you are saying, there is only 1 way to play the game, and that is your way. Any other style of gamer will find the game unworthy.
Good enough. That will make DF unworthy for quite a lot of people who do not want to be dictated on how to play.
First off, I will not enjoy DF, because I do not want to join gangfest guilds, just to gank or not be ganked. I want to choose who to play with, nice people. People I get to know over time, and join later. Too many aholes in this game, and to have to join them right upon log on? No thanks.
How free can you be in this game which the developer claims you can be free? You cannot be free, you have to meet the 3 criteria just to play? Oh yeah you are free. Indeed.
I find it very unprofessional that Tasos posted that message. A developer attacking a reviewer (even if the reviewer is a complete idiot) and revealing information about an account is one of the worst thing a game developer can do. I do realize that much of what Tasos writes is correct, but it is not proper for a developer to do that. It would be like someone at Bethesda/Capcom (or whoever) saying the reviewer of at such and such is a idiot and a liar. That kinda just rubs me the wrong way as it comes off looking like a group of whiny little turds.
A professional company that felt they were wronged by a reviewer would release a statement or post a message fixing the contradictions, but would not attack the reviewer and call them a liar. Post the corrections explain but do not give out account information to prove your point nor should you attack the reviewer.
You would think that Tasos and everyone over there would have grown some tough skin do to the amount of dislike/hate this game get, but no they act like a little kid.
What planet do you come from?
Listen, as a large media organisation you simply can not post a load of lies that could prove financially damaging to another company unless they are built on fact. And if Tasos is to be believed this review is build upon fiction, not fact. I would not be suprised if this ends up in court, if it were my game I would be at my solicitors office first thing in the morning.
It's one thing playing a game for 10 hours and then writing a scathing review, but based on the account logs, it would seem this reviewer simply did not play the game.
Oh and am not a fan boy, I ain't even played the game and have no intention of doing so. BTW google the reviewers name and you will find another scandal about his review of Guitar Hero II, it seems this guy is a total idiot and why a site like EG use him is totally beyond me.
before Tasos got the nerve to go to court, he need to establish a lot of facts.
First, can Tasos prove that the writer plays only 2 minutes. If the writer can trump up another account, Tasos is in for deep sh*t. Second, if the court doubts Tasos's evidence, which can easily be faked, Tasos is in deep sh*t. If the court wonders why ppl need 10 years to figure out DF does not cut it, Tasos is in deep sh*t.
The history of the reviewer might be used to establish a case, but history of Tasos can definitely be used to push Taso's case to hell. Don't try to pick on the reviewer, if AV has Tasos representing them.
I am not commenting on the game or the review. I find it very unprofessional that Tasos posted that message. A developer attacking a reviewer (even if the reviewer is a complete idiot) and revealing information about an account is one of the worst thing a game developer can do. I do realize that much of what Tasos writes is correct, but it is not proper for a developer to do that. It would be like someone at Bethesda/Capcom (or whoever) saying the reviewer of at such and such is a idiot and a liar. That kinda just rubs me the wrong way as it comes off looking like a group of whiny little turds. A professional company that felt they were wronged by a reviewer would release a statement or post a message fixing the contradictions, but would not attack the reviewer and call them a liar. Post the corrections explain but do not give out account information to prove your point nor should you attack the reviewer. You would think that Tasos and everyone over there would have grown some tough skin do to the amount of dislike/hate this game get, but no they act like a little kid.
Its OK, just means no one else will review them. None of the large sites anyway.
I'm in total agreement with both posts. It was unprofessional of Tasos to have his feathers so publicly ruffled by posting his review of the review. Jeez, I can almost imagine the little baby tears rolling down his face while he typed out his post to the game boards.
And to have two sets of people who show very differing times in game just makes me think they're all full of crap. The reviewer probably didn't spend much time in game and Tasos is either reading the logs wrong, or just plain out fibbing. And knowing that he'd probably be breaking some kind of law on posting log-ins for any acct, regardless of whose it was, nobody can call him on it.
I don't see how he can think any review can drive players away more than... not letting them buy the game. did the review cover that part? where they don't let you buy the game. they don't need to say "avoid this game" they can say "try really hard to buy the game, you don't have to worry"
WHat kind of buisness puts its merchandise up for sale at random times with no announcements???
This game is doomed to fail......
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2/10? That is incredibly demianing and nothing short of biased. He probably ran around took some screenshots and got ganked in the process and said "ive had enough"
Darkfall is hard to start out cause you need to become self sufficent and this takes time. But i have never had this much fun in a MMO before. Every place you find is new, everything you do is a different experience. There have been few times when ive woken up before class to play a game and this is definitally that kind of game.
It all depends what mindset you have in a game. If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at. This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.
2/10? That is incredibly demianing and nothing short of biased. He probably ran around took some screenshots and got ganked in the process and said "ive had enough" Darkfall is hard to start out cause you need to become self sufficent and this takes time. But i have never had this much fun in a MMO before. Every place you find is new, everything you do is a different experience. There have been few times when ive woken up before class to play a game and this is definitally that kind of game. It all depends what mindset you have in a game. If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at. This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.
i just want you to know that you just wrote that i have to not hate your game... Also id like to point out that the fact that you enjoy the game is in no way an argument against a bad rating, way to post a bunch of rediculous bull shit and act exactly like the people who hate without trying.
Seems a lot of people are gving THEIR review all over again lol.The point of the post was to show that the Eurogamers site used Biased opinions and did not even play the game.It does not matter that i don't thin k DF is much of a game,i will have to side with Tasos here as he did nothing wrong but provide proof that the two writers did not play and gave an UNFAIR biased opinion as i see others in this post doing.
I am perhaps a rare type player as i have played so many different games from as long as 20+ years ago,that i can actually tell where a game is going and how good it is in my first day of playing.That is of course ACTUALLY playing outside of the player creation tool.I saw a post in here an obvious biased one where a poster cries foul on the 2/10 yet says DF is 10x better than AOC...ummm ya biased and not worth a grain of salt.
People need to stick to the facts in this post,it is all about an improperly done review,witch should give the site a bad name forever after this,i know i would not trust anything they have to say.I also thought Tasos handled this VERY professionally as he gave Eurogamer the chance to not only stop the post,but even after doing so could have removed it.So IMO Tasos responded with proof and when Eurogamer did not like how it was going to make them look,they reacted with a screw you,so Tasos posted this proof to the public ,to show what a Biased and poor review site Eurogamer is.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Eurogamer....what a joke. Usually I respect their reviews, as they seem inline with other trusted review sites, but this is a joke. I always wondering why eurogamer was the FIRST reviewer to score a game....and im starting to see why that is. First, why would they not give a staff writer this task? Second, they admit to only 9 hours played time? 9 HOURS??? When you write a review, you need to treat it as you treat a job, not a hobby. It is your job to play the game and experience as much as possible in order to make a complete judgement, rather then a half-ass attempt. I applaud Taso's response. I do not play Darkfall but I think what AV did, you know, releasing a game that is unique and taking the genre in a new direction, is a good thing.
Lol to funny. People already new this game was 2/10. What MMO out there does it run hand and hand with? None its stands alone. Its a MMO thats .. hmm like a Yugo. Thats not a VW which is better or the Jag blah blah you get the point. It WOW is what 10 or 8 you really think Darkfall is lmao 5? The game is awful and most know it and SOME.. Very very little play it. You like the game great keep playing but dont make fun of others like (retarted...how old are we? who uses that word lol) because they dont like the game they TRIED. Its just a game get over it..
2/10? That is incredibly demianing and nothing short of biased. He probably ran around took some screenshots and got ganked in the process and said "ive had enough" Darkfall is hard to start out cause you need to become self sufficent and this takes time. But i have never had this much fun in a MMO before. Every place you find is new, everything you do is a different experience. There have been few times when ive woken up before class to play a game and this is definitally that kind of game. It all depends what mindset you have in a game. If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at. This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.
Or, he played it, didn't like and had some strong views, and, this is the crazy thing, a lot of the people doing the "flaming", also played it and did not like it either.
So, in your estimation, there is only one perspective people should be using to look at this game and shouldn't be forming these crazy little opinions of their own? I mean, because we all know everyone should see the glass as half full, right?
1) The word is "demeaning".
2) Get over it. People are going to form opinions, and not all opinions are going to line up with your misguided beliefs.
My "opinion", if you are going to charge big boy prices, and claim your game is the best thing around on the block and more feature complete and ready than anything out there (and Tasos has stated something akin to this before), then get ready to be compared to the big boys and the industry standard.
Really who cares what Taoes think anyways..He lied to his fanbase so many times that people think hes telling the truth..So what, a Guy gave him a bad review..What if he gave Darkfall a ""Hyped up Review"" like we ALL seen on so many games,in turn the game suck so bad you wonder how they scored it in the first place..Look at MMORPG rating on games..I rest my case your honor...
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
2/10? That is incredibly demianing and nothing short of biased. He probably ran around took some screenshots and got ganked in the process and said "ive had enough" Darkfall is hard to start out cause you need to become self sufficent and this takes time. But i have never had this much fun in a MMO before. Every place you find is new, everything you do is a different experience. There have been few times when ive woken up before class to play a game and this is definitally that kind of game. It all depends what mindset you have in a game. If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at. This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.
Or, he played it, didn't like and had some strong views, and, this is the crazy thing, a lot of the people doing the "flaming", also played it and did not like it either.
So, in your estimation, there is only one perspective people should be using to look at this game and shouldn't be forming these crazy little opinions of their own? I mean, because we all know everyone should see the glass as half full, right?
1) The word is "demeaning".
2) Get over it. People are going to form opinions, and not all opinions are going to line up with your misguided beliefs.
My "opinion", if you are going to charge big boy prices, and claim your game is the best thing around on the block and more feature complete and ready than anything out there (and Tasos has stated something akin to this before), then get ready to be compared to the big boys and the industry standard.
If you are reviewing a game which a major game review company is going to used, you need to play the game to its fullest and have an unbiased view. Clearly, the writer Eurogamer chose fulfilled neither one of these requirements.
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Anybody with a slight bit of sense for quality knew this was coming. Low Budget games, especialy mmorpg's, are rarely good and Darkfall is no exception.
The fact they deal with criticism this way just proves what kind of a company they are.
seems though most companies with quite a high budget dont manage to throw somin good on the market either. I think the main problem is the lack of innovation.
And yeah suicidal act by Tasos ...at least a kneeshot
Careful parts of the sky may hit you, get your tinfoil hat out. . .
I have no reason to believe Tasos either, if he wants to prove that his game is not a pile then release free trials.
You sincerely don't know why they can't do that?
If they can't have open sale, how the hell do you think they could have free trial?
They made a game, they cannot have open sale, what does that mean?
RETARDED.
Should they have open trial? Or, should I ask, can we talk reason to such a developer?
I think I should go home as politely ask the dog next door to stop barking when I want to sleep. That might be easier.
Frankly the review is correct, there is some hyperbole and it got a bit subjective, but it seems like that preconceived hate spawned from somewhere. If you have been following the trials and tribulation of the darkfall saga you cannot disagree with the essence of what he has to say about the game. Watching people get into to beta and then post their true feelings about the the game in open forums, beta leak forums and etc, watching the draconian mod/dev/gm reaction and bannings for what seem to be meagre and just reactions to a poor product. When the 'legally binding' gag was lifted and we got to see what people other than the long term cartoonist friend had to say about the clearly unfinished beta, the ideology became a little bit more russian than reality. This of course after a long drawn out courting period in which countless people became hooked on this glorious michalangeon chapelesque envisage actively prophecized by the mod's and devs of the game where years and years of benign speculation created a throbbing mass of human lust and a tsunami of optimism for the dawn of a quoted new era.
When the first leaks came through they were caused by the deserters of the closed beta, long term followers hand picked by the dev's and mod's from the over ripe tree of forumfall each player bursting at the seams with the sap of goodwill and thanks. These people after one, two weeks some days turned foul from the inside out. Their core rotting at the sight of what for 8 years they pictured as the perfect game for themselves and what they were presented with was a reflection from another minds mirror. These people flooded the boards with scathing reviews towers with infinite range, lmb spam, towers even being placed, catatonic AI. The first signs were appearing that the marketing employed by the av team wasn't too good, but far too ambitious, no one can claim perfection tasos, you and your riot cocooned designers should have realized this, you can never promise people eden, people do stupid things for eden Tasos, and when one thing goes wrong they understand that perfection isn't present, when 20 things go wrong the joke begins to fade and when it's more than obvious that there is a lot wrong with the proposed eden, disdain and hatred soon prevail, the apple is devoured out of scorn more than anything and backs are turned with a whimper of laughter at what unhumanly revenge they will concoct.
Finally, due to assumed financial restrictions and the pressure mounting due to consecutive missed release dates the prison walls caved in completely but the trickle of captives slowly realized the oppurtunity to escape was here. Some blinded by the bright sun stumbled out into agon, slowly people found their own way in through a maze of rumour and chance. Some were near the original leak when it happened, some still wait there turn patiently. These people were in turn caught up in real world matters more prevalent than the actual life of freedom expected from the surprise release. Money issues here, failing to find consistent connections there, and the queing, something that when previously endured didn't seem to have the chemical after taste as any of their similar endeavors. More hate spilled out this time without an NDA to protect them, public gunnings and exiles were employed. Character destroying or not, the words are apparently more dangerous than our actions the mod's concluded.
Still people claw to the prophecy while obvious flaws hang dubiously in front of them but the memory of the eden in which they were promised is a hard carrot to kick. Perhaps it will come, in the mean time it's a work in perfect progress. Damn the debators and the doubters, it's a possibility! Well children possibility is a hard learned gambling term and another well known phrase in that circle is the house always wins. Is the witnessing of the rheumatics being re-upholstered really worth your kronas? This observer doesn't agree. Who sails on an unfinished ship? Who stands next to someone who's attitude you physically shake your head at and call them peer with an ignorant thumb bitten towards decent society. Perhaps this game is for the beaten player, the one who doesn't belong, who doesn't agree. Well you've found a maker who has made your eden. A horrible tangled mess of basic concepts strung together on a guitar with strings ending not on the parallel to which they began. A mesh of broken dreams and a place in which you are able to release your feelings about what sits before you. A game that inhabits itself and at least holds the disease within, not escaping its over governed boundaries. A fine cancer, one needed for others to exist without worry that it will infect their lifetime.
None of this can be sanely contested, if it is you will be instantly identified as an infected and left to your own convictions. The only possible reaction aroused will be an all saying, all defining bemused eyebrow. The motion stands..
Perhaps they have personal accounts more advanced and used those for the review. They dont need to love the game to play it and it would be obvious that if they gave bad reviews AV would excuse it as low playing time.
QFT. I don't care how inaccurate a review was. There's probably tons of WoW 'reviews' that tear it to shreds. They all mean nothing because WoW has more money than Jesus coming in for Blizzard. The negative DF review in question meant nothing until AV stooped to its level, then sunk even lower to respond.
Not to mention - why would I trust anything Tasos says about the reviewer accounts? He's lied about a TON of stuff publicly for years. His resume, the status of beta, the enabled features in the game to name just the tip of the iceberg.
The review was so full of blatant lies and misinformation it was all I could do to read it. Even the caption "you can't turn the UI the UI off..." is bullshit. (ALT+H by default)
He complained of sluggish mouse response, and yet I bet he never even bothered to turn up sensitivity, or try toggling mouse smoothing.
In short....he didn't even TRY. He spewed out a short list of bullshit, and went back to raiding in WoW, I'll wager.
Fire the idiot...he can't do his job, and is nothing short of incompetant.
Quoted for non-truth.
He who keeps his cool best wins.
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Really why is this a surprise to people. I understand there is a small core group of people that like darkfall, but even they should realize how everyone else views the game. There has been constant negative feedback on this game since before release and it never ends, but suddenly now there is all this shock that a publication came to the same conclusions? It's fine to enjoy a game that no one else does, but you should at least accept that no one else likes it and not be shocked.
I don't think it's a good trend to get into bashing any review that is bad, it's going to happen. People should also remember a review is still just one guy's opinion and not freak out. The bottom line is it isn't something to insult and yell back and forth, learn to be adults about disagreements.
The last sentence is the true gem of this entire long debacle.
Learn from your critics.
Then you are saying, there is only 1 way to play the game, and that is your way. Any other style of gamer will find the game unworthy.
Good enough. That will make DF unworthy for quite a lot of people who do not want to be dictated on how to play.
First off, I will not enjoy DF, because I do not want to join gangfest guilds, just to gank or not be ganked. I want to choose who to play with, nice people. People I get to know over time, and join later. Too many aholes in this game, and to have to join them right upon log on? No thanks.
How free can you be in this game which the developer claims you can be free? You cannot be free, you have to meet the 3 criteria just to play? Oh yeah you are free. Indeed.
Thats review seems really unfair. I started playing about 2 weeks ago and am having a blast with raiding and exploring.
Oh yeah, a lot of very negative attention.
If tasos wants that. He got it.
What planet do you come from?
Listen, as a large media organisation you simply can not post a load of lies that could prove financially damaging to another company unless they are built on fact. And if Tasos is to be believed this review is build upon fiction, not fact. I would not be suprised if this ends up in court, if it were my game I would be at my solicitors office first thing in the morning.
It's one thing playing a game for 10 hours and then writing a scathing review, but based on the account logs, it would seem this reviewer simply did not play the game.
Oh and am not a fan boy, I ain't even played the game and have no intention of doing so. BTW google the reviewers name and you will find another scandal about his review of Guitar Hero II, it seems this guy is a total idiot and why a site like EG use him is totally beyond me.
before Tasos got the nerve to go to court, he need to establish a lot of facts.
First, can Tasos prove that the writer plays only 2 minutes. If the writer can trump up another account, Tasos is in for deep sh*t. Second, if the court doubts Tasos's evidence, which can easily be faked, Tasos is in deep sh*t. If the court wonders why ppl need 10 years to figure out DF does not cut it, Tasos is in deep sh*t.
The history of the reviewer might be used to establish a case, but history of Tasos can definitely be used to push Taso's case to hell. Don't try to pick on the reviewer, if AV has Tasos representing them.
Its OK, just means no one else will review them. None of the large sites anyway.
I'm in total agreement with both posts. It was unprofessional of Tasos to have his feathers so publicly ruffled by posting his review of the review. Jeez, I can almost imagine the little baby tears rolling down his face while he typed out his post to the game boards.
And to have two sets of people who show very differing times in game just makes me think they're all full of crap. The reviewer probably didn't spend much time in game and Tasos is either reading the logs wrong, or just plain out fibbing. And knowing that he'd probably be breaking some kind of law on posting log-ins for any acct, regardless of whose it was, nobody can call him on it.
WHat kind of buisness puts its merchandise up for sale at random times with no announcements???
This game is doomed to fail......
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2/10? That is incredibly demianing and nothing short of biased. He probably ran around took some screenshots and got ganked in the process and said "ive had enough"
Darkfall is hard to start out cause you need to become self sufficent and this takes time. But i have never had this much fun in a MMO before. Every place you find is new, everything you do is a different experience. There have been few times when ive woken up before class to play a game and this is definitally that kind of game.
It all depends what mindset you have in a game. If you flame this game your retarded because your looking at it from a different perspective than its meant to be looked at. This is a different game and people are trying to compare it to the industry standard.
i just want you to know that you just wrote that i have to not hate your game... Also id like to point out that the fact that you enjoy the game is in no way an argument against a bad rating, way to post a bunch of rediculous bull shit and act exactly like the people who hate without trying.
Seems a lot of people are gving THEIR review all over again lol.The point of the post was to show that the Eurogamers site used Biased opinions and did not even play the game.It does not matter that i don't thin k DF is much of a game,i will have to side with Tasos here as he did nothing wrong but provide proof that the two writers did not play and gave an UNFAIR biased opinion as i see others in this post doing.
I am perhaps a rare type player as i have played so many different games from as long as 20+ years ago,that i can actually tell where a game is going and how good it is in my first day of playing.That is of course ACTUALLY playing outside of the player creation tool.I saw a post in here an obvious biased one where a poster cries foul on the 2/10 yet says DF is 10x better than AOC...ummm ya biased and not worth a grain of salt.
People need to stick to the facts in this post,it is all about an improperly done review,witch should give the site a bad name forever after this,i know i would not trust anything they have to say.I also thought Tasos handled this VERY professionally as he gave Eurogamer the chance to not only stop the post,but even after doing so could have removed it.So IMO Tasos responded with proof and when Eurogamer did not like how it was going to make them look,they reacted with a screw you,so Tasos posted this proof to the public ,to show what a Biased and poor review site Eurogamer is.
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Eurogamer....what a joke. Usually I respect their reviews, as they seem inline with other trusted review sites, but this is a joke. I always wondering why eurogamer was the FIRST reviewer to score a game....and im starting to see why that is. First, why would they not give a staff writer this task? Second, they admit to only 9 hours played time? 9 HOURS??? When you write a review, you need to treat it as you treat a job, not a hobby. It is your job to play the game and experience as much as possible in order to make a complete judgement, rather then a half-ass attempt. I applaud Taso's response. I do not play Darkfall but I think what AV did, you know, releasing a game that is unique and taking the genre in a new direction, is a good thing.
Lol to funny. People already new this game was 2/10. What MMO out there does it run hand and hand with? None its stands alone. Its a MMO thats .. hmm like a Yugo. Thats not a VW which is better or the Jag blah blah you get the point. It WOW is what 10 or 8 you really think Darkfall is lmao 5? The game is awful and most know it and SOME.. Very very little play it. You like the game great keep playing but dont make fun of others like (retarted...how old are we? who uses that word lol) because they dont like the game they TRIED. Its just a game get over it..
Or, he played it, didn't like and had some strong views, and, this is the crazy thing, a lot of the people doing the "flaming", also played it and did not like it either.
So, in your estimation, there is only one perspective people should be using to look at this game and shouldn't be forming these crazy little opinions of their own? I mean, because we all know everyone should see the glass as half full, right?
1) The word is "demeaning".
2) Get over it. People are going to form opinions, and not all opinions are going to line up with your misguided beliefs.
My "opinion", if you are going to charge big boy prices, and claim your game is the best thing around on the block and more feature complete and ready than anything out there (and Tasos has stated something akin to this before), then get ready to be compared to the big boys and the industry standard.
Really who cares what Taoes think anyways..He lied to his fanbase so many times that people think hes telling the truth..So what, a Guy gave him a bad review..What if he gave Darkfall a ""Hyped up Review"" like we ALL seen on so many games,in turn the game suck so bad you wonder how they scored it in the first place..Look at MMORPG rating on games..I rest my case your honor...
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Or, he played it, didn't like and had some strong views, and, this is the crazy thing, a lot of the people doing the "flaming", also played it and did not like it either.
So, in your estimation, there is only one perspective people should be using to look at this game and shouldn't be forming these crazy little opinions of their own? I mean, because we all know everyone should see the glass as half full, right?
1) The word is "demeaning".
2) Get over it. People are going to form opinions, and not all opinions are going to line up with your misguided beliefs.
My "opinion", if you are going to charge big boy prices, and claim your game is the best thing around on the block and more feature complete and ready than anything out there (and Tasos has stated something akin to this before), then get ready to be compared to the big boys and the industry standard.
If you are reviewing a game which a major game review company is going to used, you need to play the game to its fullest and have an unbiased view. Clearly, the writer Eurogamer chose fulfilled neither one of these requirements.