Someone actually took time to prove the guy didn't even play the game:
#1 "You can't turn off the UI - the game just occasionally forgets to load it. " - how about rtfm coz yes u can? and stop playing on a laptop with system memory for gfx memory? This could be a bug or a driver not reporting oom problems but most likely it is naff hardware.
#2 "Beware large, irrelevant warnings in bold Arial font." - ok fair enough but it becomes important later as the world gets smaller. You probably didn't get that far.
#3 "Awkwardly moving things between bags was my favourite part of Lord of the Rings." - obviously never played UO then. The game tries to keep some realism instead of doing it all for the player. Things don't get magically teleported from the floor to your bag, this is part of the PvP dynamic - but I guess you wouldn't know that, huh?
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#1 "A bindstone, where you'll find yourself re-appearing a great deal. " - yes you will, and? Maybe it's just coz it's not a spirit healer you feel alienated?
#2 "Ah, Mr. Big Country, we meet again." - informative
#3 "At times you'll be left waiting to die - for up to a minute. " - after fighting hobgoblin grunts naked, tbh I'm not surprised. Did you try pressing space to release?
What can be ascertained from these screenshots;
A) he didn't play the game at all, no skills, spells or weapons in hotbar for any of his characters. Must have been hacking if he never needed to rest, switch weapon, a potion or cast a spell. Or maybe he just didn't bother playing the game!
GUI all over the place, some people are messy but most aren't, another pointer to not playing the game for any length of time
C) playing on small screen/low spec laptop
D) he changed characters at least 3 times in 9 hours (his words) - got a feel for it much? please do tell us the difference between the races? what you don't know, maybe because you didn't play the game for any amount of time?
Where are the lowbie scale armour shots and the mounted combat? Where's partying and guild system?
Did he actually play this game any length of time? Quite simply, No.
I don't have to eat an entire plate of liver and onions to know I don't like it. One bite is enough.
that is true if u make the same thing all the time but you do same thing in a MMO ?
essentially, the game mechanics of a MMO remain unchanged, although circumstantial content might change
Right.
It doesn't take 80+ hours to judge whether the UI and loot systems are intuitive or not. You don't need to kill one of every type of mob in a game to judge combat, and you don't need to make one of every item in the game to judge crafting systems. It also doesn't take 80+ hours to decide if something is fun or worth playing, either. That can be sussed out pretty quick.
Expecting game reviewers, who often have stacks of games to review at a time and deadlines to meet, to dedicate the equivalent of 10 full working days to a single game before it can be reviewed is unrealistic. Now, if they end up enjoying a game so much that they spend that much time in there anyway, that's another story. But you can't force the issue.
I have to say if 9 hours played is true, that's not enough time for a PROFESSIONAL review. I agree with people that say they can play a game for far less time and decide they hate it, but again, this is supposed to be a professional review. I also agree that if that same reviewer gave the game a 8 or 9, the short playtime would have been a non issue to the fans. Tasos' response was totally unprofessional. AV desperately needs to can him and hire a real PR man.
Tasos is delusional if he thinks someone is going to pay a reviewer to play it for 100+ hours. I also find it funny for AV to complain about time spent on a review when weeks after "release", the official website still had the game as being in beta and they couldn't take the time to update their website, which fanbois defended.
I don't have to eat an entire plate of liver and onions to know I don't like it. One bite is enough.
that is true if u make the same thing all the time but you do same thing in a MMO ?
essentially, the game mechanics of a MMO remain unchanged, although circumstantial content might change
Right.
It doesn't take 80+ hours to judge whether the UI and loot systems are intuitive or not. You don't need to kill one of every type of mob in a game to judge combat, and you don't need to make one of every item in the game to judge crafting systems. It also doesn't take 80+ hours to decide if something is fun or worth playing, either. That can be sussed out pretty quick.
Expecting game reviewers, who often have stacks of games to review at a time and deadlines to meet, to dedicate the equivalent of 10 full working days to a single game before it can be reviewed is unrealistic. Now, if they end up enjoying a game so much that they spend that much time in there anyway, that's another story. But you can't force the issue.
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It doesn't take 80+ hours to judge whether the UI and loot systems are intuitive or not. You don't need to kill one of every type of mob in a game to judge combat, and you don't need to make one of every item in the game to judge crafting systems. It also doesn't take 80+ hours to decide if something is fun or worth playing, either. That can be sussed out pretty quick.
Expecting game reviewers, who often have stacks of games to review at a time and deadlines to meet, to dedicate the equivalent of 10 full working days to a single game before it can be reviewed is unrealistic. Now, if they end up enjoying a game so much that they spend that much time in there anyway, that's another story. But you can't force the issue.
and what about ships ? warhulks ? city's ? politics ?
Someone in this thread or another one noted their suprise at the Darkfall developer's response - not in its content but that they lowered themselves to tit for tat posting across the internet. Having read the dev's latest reply I have to say I am in total agreement. What a thoroughly unprofessional way to conduct themselves and an embarrassment to their profession. So far we now know that the DFO community is full of offensive idiots, the developments (known for lying in the past I understand) are thoroughly unprofessional and whats more tolerate (not to mention encourage) racism, homophobia and misogeny on their forums, and that the game is only worth 2/10. What a mess of a game. The sooner is disappears into history the better (file alongside Atari's E.T)
Seems a lot of people are gving THEIR review all over again lol.The point of the post was to show that the Eurogamers site used Biased opinions and did not even play the game.It does not matter that i don't thin k DF is much of a game,i will have to side with Tasos here as he did nothing wrong but provide proof that the two writers did not play and gave an UNFAIR biased opinion as i see others in this post doing. I am perhaps a rare type player as i have played so many different games from as long as 20+ years ago,that i can actually tell where a game is going and how good it is in my first day of playing.That is of course ACTUALLY playing outside of the player creation tool.I saw a post in here an obvious biased one where a poster cries foul on the 2/10 yet says DF is 10x better than AOC...ummm ya biased and not worth a grain of salt. People need to stick to the facts in this post,it is all about an improperly done review,witch should give the site a bad name forever after this,i know i would not trust anything they have to say.I also thought Tasos handled this VERY professionally as he gave Eurogamer the chance to not only stop the post,but even after doing so could have removed it.So IMO Tasos responded with proof and when Eurogamer did not like how it was going to make them look,they reacted with a screw you,so Tasos posted this proof to the public ,to show what a Biased and poor review site Eurogamer is.
No, profesional would have been to do what any of the big boys would have done. Ignore it, and move on. He came off as petulant and somewhat desperate. All he did was give some sort of credence to the review by even responding. He should have left it alone and let the "magic" of the game do it's thing, but instead, he opened his mouth, and will draw people that potentially might not have the article to the site. Kudos to you Tasos!
(Seriously, Tasos' proof holds as much water as what the interviewer states as his playtime. For one, logs can be altered, and two, without actually seeing the logs, how do you know he is being truthful? Because we all know the honesty of Tasos...)
BS.
He is in no way desperate. They have way more demand than they can meet - what is there to be desperate about?
I understand why he reacts against unjustness though. We would all do that.
Originally posted by cosy and what about ships ? warhulks ? city's ? politics ?
Again-- find me a professional game journalist who has the luxury to play a game for 80+ hours before they review it. They've got stacks of games to review at a time, deadlines to meet, and employers who expect those deadlines to be met. It's absolutely ludicrous to expect that level of playtime.
Honestly, the only reason anyone is bitching at all about playtime is because of the low score. If he'd played for 9 hours or whatever and given Darkfall an 8 or 9, none of this would even be a topic of discussion.
So according to Tasos this previous review based on only a few hours of play time was valid and accurate presumably because it was overwhelmingly positive with zero negatives.
But when the first mainstream gaming review is overwhelmingly negative with zero positives Tasos says its because the reviewer is a lier who did not play the game long enough to judge the game fairly.
Maybe the reviewer find it worse than death penalty to play that game. Seriously, I begin to feel how aweful it will be playing that game, with the kind of mindset of the elite few in that game. And to ask the reviewer to put up with those elites for days to end, just to write a summary pretty much most already know, its neither efficient nor good to the mental health of the reviewer. If we wait till the reviewer to finish his full tour of DFO, we may have to wait for a few more months as he grinds/macro afk, or he died of mental disorder and we never know what he went thru. Oh the other hand, do we know as a fact, that the reviewer does not put in enough efforts? I for one do not take any words from Tasos as proof. On the contrary, whatever he said I will believe in the opposite.
Just look at the hotbar in the review screenshots. Completely empty. We don't even NEED logs to prove he barely played the game.
Folks clamoring for objective and 'unbiased' reviews are living in a dreamworld. You know that, by definition, a review is largely subjective opinion, yes? Sure a competent journalist will usually throw in factual detail such as system specs, performance, combat mechanics, etc, but at the end of the day, any review that you read is largely someone's opinion.
This is not confined to game reviews. Journalism as a whole is inherently subjective, and has been since the beginning of time. The mere fact of deciding what to write about, and in effect, deciding the news, is subjective and lends itself to promoting certain agendas.
Tasos is a complete and utter hypocrite. From the Darkfall news section: The MMORPG Italia Review "They have been playing for a few hours" So according to Tasos this previous review based on only a few hours of play time was valid and accurate presumably because it was overwhelmingly positive with zero negatives. But when the first mainstream gaming review is overwhelmingly negative with zero positives Tasos says its because the reviewer is a lier who did not play the game long enough to judge the game fairly.
There is a big difference between a pre-release preview and a post release review. The latter should have a lot more playtime then the former. Most pre-release previews are positive anyway.
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Honestly, the only reason anyone is bitching at all about playtime is because of the low score. If he'd played for 9 hours or whatever and given Darkfall an 8 or 9, none of this would even be a topic of discussion.
so u accept blind reviews ?
ofc ppl are upset that this dude played that short time and even dont got the rest ability on the action bar is like asking to test a car and dont even get out of parking geez
Why should anyone cut Tasos and DFO any slack? How many times does Tasos have to prove that he is unprofessional and unqualified for his current job. It was bad enough when he did that last interview here on MMORPG.COM and cried like a petulant child about trolls. Now the guy further hurts an already shaky image by nerdraging over a websites opinion? Cmon Tasos wheres your feature complete and ready to play game, after all according to you, it was ready to play in 06. Go back to delivering pizzas Tasos, Ive seen 10 year olds project more maturity and professionalism than this boob.
I have been posting on boards for 10 years now, and I have never blocked anyone.
On this board - since yesterday - I have blocked 3 people, and you will be the fourth.
Incredible how many no-lifers with nothing to do but flame a game they haven't even played, lurk around here.
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What a strange post. Why would anyone give two hoots about who you block? Anyway, I would have thought you were too busy playing your game, rather than hanging around internet forums defending a game that only has months left to live. Whois the one with no life again? Anyway - if you haven't already, could you block me too please. Thankyou
Originally posted by cosy so u accept blind reviews ? ofc ppl are upset that this dude played that short time and even dont got the rest ability on the action bar is like asking to test a car and dont even get out of parking geez
All of those complaints are solely because of the low score. If he'd given DF a glowing review after the same amount of time played, no one would be bitching now. It's that simple.
But you need to say why its crap. Otherwise we cant trust you. It could be that you suck at PvP and lost nine fights in a row and then quit it. We dont know! Or you won 33 fight in a row and decided it was to easy. And we dont need more people telling Aventurine the UI and loot system is not as WoW.
I can gladly say why I think it is crap, and I had before. But I can repeat myself.
Darkfall is crap because the gfx engine is ancient and just looks plain bad, animation particulary is very poor but also the spell effects. I tried AoC and then went to WAR recently and was appalled how bad WAR looked in contrast to AoC but Darkfall gfx look bad compared to WAR. That in itself says how really bad the gfx is in Darkfall not to mention the horrible sound.
Furthermore Darkfall is crap because it has a simplistic "leveling system". You level up skills from 1-100 but significant change can only be seen at increments of 25 levels which is just a simplistic way of doing a skill based game with only 4-5 levels.
Also Darkfall is crap because the UI is plain horrible. I have to right click to get in and out of interaction mode which is not only slow, awkard and there doesn't seem to have any reason to be like this except developer incompetence.
Furthermore Darkfall is crap because there are rampant cheating going on in the form of macroing. There is even a widely used macro to loot which defeats the alleged reason for the crappy looting system.
Darkfall is crap because it has very little content. I ran from one side of the continent to the other and 90% of the time all I saw was empty landscape. The excuse that "this is a PvP game" does not cut it. PvP games need content as well to keep people busy when not fighting each other or to give stuff to fight over.
Finally Darkfall is crap because the combat system is a terrible FPS rippoff. You swing your sword in two directions and there are a handful of different moves not to mention that many of the magic spells are completely imbalanced compared to archery and melee. So basically what you have is, almost, everyone focusing on melee, because it is a must, and secondary in archery and with some utility magic on the side. This gives zero variation in how you build your character for combat.
So I totally agree with Eurogamers review. It is spot on.
As for people not agreeing with it and enjoying the game, well ofcourse, reviews are mostly subjective and not everyone will agree with it. However I would bet that the majority of MMORPG gamers would NOT think Darkfall is a good MMORPG and that is not only because it is not a WoW clone but because of reasons mentioned above because, believe it or not, content, UI, controls and gfx are standard features of MMORPGs and which most players will have reqs on.
This is a response from Streea that was made in the thread about this under the News. I'm going to repost it here because what was said in the post I agree with almost 100%. Sorry, but Eurogamer being right or wrong in their review becomes moot when you stoop to being this unprofessional. If you think you have been wronged, you don't do something equally as wrong if not more wrong as a reply. Two wrongs DO not make a right. (Not saying Eurogamer is wrong) Tasos has no more credibility then the reviewer. Also on a side note. Rap's you need to give it a rest. For someone that claims to not be a DF fanboy. You take every little bad thing said about DF personally, just like Tasos. Your opinions are so far from unbias or even objective it's not even funny.
Every post Tasos makes just reaffirms my desire to stay as far away from Darkfall as possible. Instead of responding to the review as an adult would, he screams "Nuh uh!!" To be quite honest, the reviewer could've spent 40 hours playing this game and it still wouldn't have matched the magical "hundreds of hours of played time before reviewers review it!!!"
The reviewer seemed to have a lot of trouble with the game. Instead of crying and moaning about how the reviewer isn't the "right" person for the game, they should be looking at the first 8 hours of the gameplay and see if there are infact problems and if there's anything they can do to fix/tweak/make it more straightfoward. They could've also responded with some tips for new players on how to quickly deal with loot, easily handle a combat system they're not familiar with, etc. There are so many POSITIVE things that could've come from this review that it's pretty pathetic that all Tasos can do is throw a tantrum and talk about how "right" they are and how anyone that doesn't agree with them is wrong.
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Originally posted by RasputinWhat a strange post. Why would anyone give two hoots about who you block? Anyway, I would have thought you were too busy playing your game, rather than hanging around internet forums defending a game that only has months left to live. Whois the one with no life again? Anyway - if you haven't already, could you block me too please. Thankyou
Hi snowflake! You still believe you are special?
*block*
Yay. At last! I must be a little bit special in his eyes if I am on his block list which he hasn't touched for 10 years. Thinking about it I thought that the site had been going for only around 7 years (the About Us bit at the bottom talks about the CEO acquiring the domain name in 2002). In which case how has he been reading it for 10?
OT: How do people see this ending? If EG comes out with another low scoring review will there be more tantrums? Or will the DFO crowd accept that their are serious problems with their game. Alternatively, if it gets a high scoring review then it will be itneresting to see what happens as I have no idea. I think that EG will wimp out and give it 4/10 or something middling on the rubbish side. Personally I think 9 hours is more than enough to determine whether you like an MMORPG or not for an initial review. The important thing is that you revisit it - which EG does in fact do.
It seems judging a review based on its score without reading the content of the review is pretty standrd practice for DFO fans. Case in point - did you read the last 2 paragraphs of that review?
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From forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php
Someone actually took time to prove the guy didn't even play the game:
#1 "You can't turn off the UI - the game just occasionally forgets to load it. " - how about rtfm coz yes u can? and stop playing on a laptop with system memory for gfx memory? This could be a bug or a driver not reporting oom problems but most likely it is naff hardware.
#2 "Beware large, irrelevant warnings in bold Arial font." - ok fair enough but it becomes important later as the world gets smaller. You probably didn't get that far.
#3 "Awkwardly moving things between bags was my favourite part of Lord of the Rings." - obviously never played UO then. The game tries to keep some realism instead of doing it all for the player. Things don't get magically teleported from the floor to your bag, this is part of the PvP dynamic - but I guess you wouldn't know that, huh?
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#1 "A bindstone, where you'll find yourself re-appearing a great deal. " - yes you will, and? Maybe it's just coz it's not a spirit healer you feel alienated?
#2 "Ah, Mr. Big Country, we meet again." - informative
#3 "At times you'll be left waiting to die - for up to a minute. " - after fighting hobgoblin grunts naked, tbh I'm not surprised. Did you try pressing space to release?
What can be ascertained from these screenshots;
GUI all over the place, some people are messy but most aren't, another pointer to not playing the game for any length of time
A) he didn't play the game at all, no skills, spells or weapons in hotbar for any of his characters. Must have been hacking if he never needed to rest, switch weapon, a potion or cast a spell. Or maybe he just didn't bother playing the game!
C) playing on small screen/low spec laptop
D) he changed characters at least 3 times in 9 hours (his words) - got a feel for it much? please do tell us the difference between the races? what you don't know, maybe because you didn't play the game for any amount of time?
Where are the lowbie scale armour shots and the mounted combat? Where's partying and guild system?
Did he actually play this game any length of time? Quite simply, No.
EG's reviewer is lying, not Aventurine/Tasos.
Lastly; digg it digg.com/gaming_news/Eurogamer_reviews_Darkfall_Online_without_playing_the_game
that is true if u make the same thing all the time but you do same thing in a MMO ?
essentially, the game mechanics of a MMO remain unchanged, although circumstantial content might change
Right.
It doesn't take 80+ hours to judge whether the UI and loot systems are intuitive or not. You don't need to kill one of every type of mob in a game to judge combat, and you don't need to make one of every item in the game to judge crafting systems. It also doesn't take 80+ hours to decide if something is fun or worth playing, either. That can be sussed out pretty quick.
Expecting game reviewers, who often have stacks of games to review at a time and deadlines to meet, to dedicate the equivalent of 10 full working days to a single game before it can be reviewed is unrealistic. Now, if they end up enjoying a game so much that they spend that much time in there anyway, that's another story. But you can't force the issue.
Has Darkfall the type of game quality needed to keep one playing for any lenght of time? Quite simply, No.
I have to say if 9 hours played is true, that's not enough time for a PROFESSIONAL review. I agree with people that say they can play a game for far less time and decide they hate it, but again, this is supposed to be a professional review. I also agree that if that same reviewer gave the game a 8 or 9, the short playtime would have been a non issue to the fans. Tasos' response was totally unprofessional. AV desperately needs to can him and hire a real PR man.
Tasos is delusional if he thinks someone is going to pay a reviewer to play it for 100+ hours. I also find it funny for AV to complain about time spent on a review when weeks after "release", the official website still had the game as being in beta and they couldn't take the time to update their website, which fanbois defended.
that is true if u make the same thing all the time but you do same thing in a MMO ?
essentially, the game mechanics of a MMO remain unchanged, although circumstantial content might change
Right.
It doesn't take 80+ hours to judge whether the UI and loot systems are intuitive or not. You don't need to kill one of every type of mob in a game to judge combat, and you don't need to make one of every item in the game to judge crafting systems. It also doesn't take 80+ hours to decide if something is fun or worth playing, either. That can be sussed out pretty quick.
Expecting game reviewers, who often have stacks of games to review at a time and deadlines to meet, to dedicate the equivalent of 10 full working days to a single game before it can be reviewed is unrealistic. Now, if they end up enjoying a game so much that they spend that much time in there anyway, that's another story. But you can't force the issue.
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Right.
It doesn't take 80+ hours to judge whether the UI and loot systems are intuitive or not. You don't need to kill one of every type of mob in a game to judge combat, and you don't need to make one of every item in the game to judge crafting systems. It also doesn't take 80+ hours to decide if something is fun or worth playing, either. That can be sussed out pretty quick.
Expecting game reviewers, who often have stacks of games to review at a time and deadlines to meet, to dedicate the equivalent of 10 full working days to a single game before it can be reviewed is unrealistic. Now, if they end up enjoying a game so much that they spend that much time in there anyway, that's another story. But you can't force the issue.
and what about ships ? warhulks ? city's ? politics ?
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Someone in this thread or another one noted their suprise at the Darkfall developer's response - not in its content but that they lowered themselves to tit for tat posting across the internet. Having read the dev's latest reply I have to say I am in total agreement. What a thoroughly unprofessional way to conduct themselves and an embarrassment to their profession. So far we now know that the DFO community is full of offensive idiots, the developments (known for lying in the past I understand) are thoroughly unprofessional and whats more tolerate (not to mention encourage) racism, homophobia and misogeny on their forums, and that the game is only worth 2/10. What a mess of a game. The sooner is disappears into history the better (file alongside Atari's E.T)
No, profesional would have been to do what any of the big boys would have done. Ignore it, and move on. He came off as petulant and somewhat desperate. All he did was give some sort of credence to the review by even responding. He should have left it alone and let the "magic" of the game do it's thing, but instead, he opened his mouth, and will draw people that potentially might not have the article to the site. Kudos to you Tasos!
(Seriously, Tasos' proof holds as much water as what the interviewer states as his playtime. For one, logs can be altered, and two, without actually seeing the logs, how do you know he is being truthful? Because we all know the honesty of Tasos...)
BS.
He is in no way desperate. They have way more demand than they can meet - what is there to be desperate about?
I understand why he reacts against unjustness though. We would all do that.
Again-- find me a professional game journalist who has the luxury to play a game for 80+ hours before they review it. They've got stacks of games to review at a time, deadlines to meet, and employers who expect those deadlines to be met. It's absolutely ludicrous to expect that level of playtime.
Honestly, the only reason anyone is bitching at all about playtime is because of the low score. If he'd played for 9 hours or whatever and given Darkfall an 8 or 9, none of this would even be a topic of discussion.
The way Tasos has responded to this is laughable and a bigger smear on the darkfall name than the review would of ever been.
Tasos is a complete and utter hypocrite.
Posted by Tasos on the Darkfall news section:
The MMORPG Italia Review
"They have been playing for a few hours"
So according to Tasos this previous review based on only a few hours of play time was valid and accurate presumably because it was overwhelmingly positive with zero negatives.
But when the first mainstream gaming review is overwhelmingly negative with zero positives Tasos says its because the reviewer is a lier who did not play the game long enough to judge the game fairly.
Just look at the hotbar in the review screenshots. Completely empty. We don't even NEED logs to prove he barely played the game.
Imagine playing WoW without using the hotbars.
Criticize the UI and then not use it? Rofl...
Has Darkfall the type of game quality needed to keep one playing for any lenght of time? Quite simply, No.
Folks clamoring for objective and 'unbiased' reviews are living in a dreamworld. You know that, by definition, a review is largely subjective opinion, yes? Sure a competent journalist will usually throw in factual detail such as system specs, performance, combat mechanics, etc, but at the end of the day, any review that you read is largely someone's opinion.
This is not confined to game reviews. Journalism as a whole is inherently subjective, and has been since the beginning of time. The mere fact of deciding what to write about, and in effect, deciding the news, is subjective and lends itself to promoting certain agendas.
Unbiased journalism is a myth.
There is a big difference between a pre-release preview and a post release review. The latter should have a lot more playtime then the former. Most pre-release previews are positive anyway.
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Reviewer: I don't like Darkfall.
Tasos: You didn't play it long enough.
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so u accept blind reviews ?
ofc ppl are upset that this dude played that short time and even dont got the rest ability on the action bar is like asking to test a car and dont even get out of parking geez
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I have been posting on boards for 10 years now, and I have never blocked anyone.
On this board - since yesterday - I have blocked 3 people, and you will be the fourth.
Incredible how many no-lifers with nothing to do but flame a game they haven't even played, lurk around here.
*block*
What a strange post. Why would anyone give two hoots about who you block? Anyway, I would have thought you were too busy playing your game, rather than hanging around internet forums defending a game that only has months left to live. Whois the one with no life again? Anyway - if you haven't already, could you block me too please. Thankyou
All of those complaints are solely because of the low score. If he'd given DF a glowing review after the same amount of time played, no one would be bitching now. It's that simple.
I can gladly say why I think it is crap, and I had before. But I can repeat myself.
Darkfall is crap because the gfx engine is ancient and just looks plain bad, animation particulary is very poor but also the spell effects. I tried AoC and then went to WAR recently and was appalled how bad WAR looked in contrast to AoC but Darkfall gfx look bad compared to WAR. That in itself says how really bad the gfx is in Darkfall not to mention the horrible sound.
Furthermore Darkfall is crap because it has a simplistic "leveling system". You level up skills from 1-100 but significant change can only be seen at increments of 25 levels which is just a simplistic way of doing a skill based game with only 4-5 levels.
Also Darkfall is crap because the UI is plain horrible. I have to right click to get in and out of interaction mode which is not only slow, awkard and there doesn't seem to have any reason to be like this except developer incompetence.
Furthermore Darkfall is crap because there are rampant cheating going on in the form of macroing. There is even a widely used macro to loot which defeats the alleged reason for the crappy looting system.
Darkfall is crap because it has very little content. I ran from one side of the continent to the other and 90% of the time all I saw was empty landscape. The excuse that "this is a PvP game" does not cut it. PvP games need content as well to keep people busy when not fighting each other or to give stuff to fight over.
Finally Darkfall is crap because the combat system is a terrible FPS rippoff. You swing your sword in two directions and there are a handful of different moves not to mention that many of the magic spells are completely imbalanced compared to archery and melee. So basically what you have is, almost, everyone focusing on melee, because it is a must, and secondary in archery and with some utility magic on the side. This gives zero variation in how you build your character for combat.
So I totally agree with Eurogamers review. It is spot on.
As for people not agreeing with it and enjoying the game, well ofcourse, reviews are mostly subjective and not everyone will agree with it. However I would bet that the majority of MMORPG gamers would NOT think Darkfall is a good MMORPG and that is not only because it is not a WoW clone but because of reasons mentioned above because, believe it or not, content, UI, controls and gfx are standard features of MMORPGs and which most players will have reqs on.
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This is a response from Streea that was made in the thread about this under the News. I'm going to repost it here because what was said in the post I agree with almost 100%. Sorry, but Eurogamer being right or wrong in their review becomes moot when you stoop to being this unprofessional. If you think you have been wronged, you don't do something equally as wrong if not more wrong as a reply. Two wrongs DO not make a right. (Not saying Eurogamer is wrong) Tasos has no more credibility then the reviewer. Also on a side note. Rap's you need to give it a rest. For someone that claims to not be a DF fanboy. You take every little bad thing said about DF personally, just like Tasos. Your opinions are so far from unbias or even objective it's not even funny.
Every post Tasos makes just reaffirms my desire to stay as far away from Darkfall as possible. Instead of responding to the review as an adult would, he screams "Nuh uh!!" To be quite honest, the reviewer could've spent 40 hours playing this game and it still wouldn't have matched the magical "hundreds of hours of played time before reviewers review it!!!"
The reviewer seemed to have a lot of trouble with the game. Instead of crying and moaning about how the reviewer isn't the "right" person for the game, they should be looking at the first 8 hours of the gameplay and see if there are infact problems and if there's anything they can do to fix/tweak/make it more straightfoward. They could've also responded with some tips for new players on how to quickly deal with loot, easily handle a combat system they're not familiar with, etc. There are so many POSITIVE things that could've come from this review that it's pretty pathetic that all Tasos can do is throw a tantrum and talk about how "right" they are and how anyone that doesn't agree with them is wrong.
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Yay. At last! I must be a little bit special in his eyes if I am on his block list which he hasn't touched for 10 years. Thinking about it I thought that the site had been going for only around 7 years (the About Us bit at the bottom talks about the CEO acquiring the domain name in 2002). In which case how has he been reading it for 10?
OT: How do people see this ending? If EG comes out with another low scoring review will there be more tantrums? Or will the DFO crowd accept that their are serious problems with their game. Alternatively, if it gets a high scoring review then it will be itneresting to see what happens as I have no idea. I think that EG will wimp out and give it 4/10 or something middling on the rubbish side. Personally I think 9 hours is more than enough to determine whether you like an MMORPG or not for an initial review. The important thing is that you revisit it - which EG does in fact do.
It seems reviewing a new MMO without really playing it much is standard practice for this website...
Case in point, AoC received an 8/10 on June 20, 2008
www.eurogamer.net/articles/age-of-conan-hyborian-adventures-review
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Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
It seems judging a review based on its score without reading the content of the review is pretty standrd practice for DFO fans. Case in point - did you read the last 2 paragraphs of that review?
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Oh Snap! Nice one.