Posters crack me up. Eastern players seem to thrive on grindathons, since it is doing very well in China and other places and NCSoft is well known for their other grindathon titles it is pretty obvious what Aion will be. Trying to say this game will do well in the west is completely ignoring the obvious. Western players demand more. Combining this with the very weak flight in this game (giving me 1 minute of flight time to start is just insulting) I can't envision this game being very successful in the west. Nice try NCSoft, but again you miss the point that western players want more depth in a game.
Have you even played this game? It has as many quests as any other mmo around these days from what I've seen.
I'll go over my impressions really fast. I'm not here to write a review, I'm not qualified to do that and I won't pretend to be, I'm just goint to point out issues which bother me a lot and eventually disappointed me. I didn't expect the game to be great, but it I didn't expect it to be bad either, I was wrong, it's really not a very impressive game.
positive: *game runs very well *interface is nice to use *music is quite good *graphics are ok, much less good than Aion trailers, but still not bad
negative *Very standard MMO....... kills 10 of X, collect 4 of Y *No goal or reason to be there......, you feel like you're dropped into a world where you don't belong * text is mediocre at best.........., it's definately translated by people not used to MMO, the language and terminology used isn't impressive *Combat is very boring........... for the first 10 levels, you get very few abilities *Game is a grind............, maybe I've played too many MMO, but <target mob> <kill mob> <target mob> <kill mob>..is what you'll be doing for about 4 hours non-stop to get to level 10 *NPC's did not speak to me (sound)................, maybe they will fix this, I don't know *Players are mostly just soloing,........... no real incentive to group, maybe this will change in later levels, I don't know *Places you start in are way too small,......... too many players all dumped into starting places, you feel like a person trapped in a box *No real story..........., almost no lore, I felt lost? and it felt a bit pointless to be there *There's something wrong with the game's horizontal vision,..... imagine looking through a camera and missing a good part of the side view of the world, that's what it's like when playing Aion, they restrict vision to the left and right
If I had to give it a score? Shrug, I guess 4/10. Anyway, I hope this helps, yes it's a very negative review, but that's how I felt about the game.
Every point you touched on,i eluded to before the game even came out,why?because i know asian games and i kn ow NCSOFT very well.
The standard MMO,is not a huge deal as most of us by now expect the same ho hum from every game,so not a real knock against NCSOFT there.
No goal or reason,well i guess the reason/goal is PVP,so there is sort of a reason.It is VERY easy to create a PVP game because you can skip anything unique,and content does not matter,because you are suppose to be out PVP'ing not doing other content.
I have NEVER seen an asian game translated well,they all seem to use asians to translate a game into north american speech.
Combat boring?well the niche there was VERY obvious,it was flying,they figured everyone would be so excited to fly,they would not care much about anything else.Personally from what i have gathered on the combat,it is decent and as good as any other PVP game,so they are not taking a step backwards,they are merely sliding ever so slightly ahead of normal PVP games.
NPC's...well has anyone EVER played an ASIAN game where NPC's do anything besides stand in front of a static building?This is just another reason why i said this game is not much more than another L2,same over all setup.
Small places to start.That was expected when you first heard there was less class than many MMO's and only two races,so they skipped town on development and went for something fast and easy to design.
Story?? well i expected that part to be all talk,i cannot really comment honestly on this topic as i would have to be playing for a week at least to see if this so called story carried on into the game as they claimed.IMO the story was simplistic and really over played.A god boots these two races out and slammed onto one planet.They must fight through the abyss for supremacy,nothing really magnificent there at all.Asians have been making games all one dimensional for years,you kill..kill and kill solo as fast as you can,the difference here is that the game was geared towards PVP.I believe RFO a VERY cheaply produced game had at least 3 races maybe it was 4,but only having 2 is kind of cheap.
I said from the beginning after watching MANY videos,that grouping was something of little interest to NCSOFT or ANY Asian game for that matter,they are always geared towards solo play.
Hey there no 2 troll from Aion forums. I could bet that you`ll come and say that you agree with .. the no 1 troll
I would want to tell you to try Aion first, then come here and make a mini review , BUT even if you will play it and like it or no, you will still bash it
So thanks for stepping by. Anything else?
Wrong on EVERY account.Immature to flame me using the word TROLL,and i have TONS of experience playing all genres to know what i see and others do not.
I am not bashing a game either,i am responding to posts.This is a forum ,people make posts for others to comment on.I gave my response and tried my best to explain each and did not bash anythiong.All my scores and responses are based on fact from players other than myself and from videos that DO NOT lie,and from what i have read.
I would suggest if you cannot take both sides of a discussion,to not take part in forums,as you are obviuosly biased and just a real troll,because you did not even comment on the topic.Not staying on topic is another offense that leans you as a troll,sorry but you called it and i proved it.
If you were not trolling ,you would offer a response to my comments or at the VERY LEAST>>>STAY ON TOPIC !.
You sir are the TROll,as flaming anyone who has the right to respond to posts in these forums,is not accepted by the TOS.If you ACTUALLY read my responses,you would clearly see they had reason and was nothing close to bashing.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
This thread is a carbon copy of the threads in the WoW section right before it was released which is kinda funny.
Some ppl are really selfish in this thread, saying things like "they didnt make it to an EU/NA audience" I for one enjoy it very much, if they did make it any other way they wouldnt be making it for me, so im glad that its not YOUR type of game cause then I probably wouldnt like it.
I'll go over my impressions really fast. I'm not here to write a review, I'm not qualified to do that and I won't pretend to be, I'm just goint to point out issues which bother me a lot and eventually disappointed me. I didn't expect the game to be great, but it I didn't expect it to be bad either, I was wrong, it's really not a very impressive game.
positive: *game runs very well *interface is nice to use *music is quite good *graphics are ok, much less good than Aion trailers, but still not bad
negative *Very standard MMO....... kills 10 of X, collect 4 of Y *No goal or reason to be there......, you feel like you're dropped into a world where you don't belong * text is mediocre at best.........., it's definately translated by people not used to MMO, the language and terminology used isn't impressive *Combat is very boring........... for the first 10 levels, you get very few abilities *Game is a grind............, maybe I've played too many MMO, but <target mob> <kill mob> <target mob> <kill mob>..is what you'll be doing for about 4 hours non-stop to get to level 10 *NPC's did not speak to me (sound)................, maybe they will fix this, I don't know *Players are mostly just soloing,........... no real incentive to group, maybe this will change in later levels, I don't know *Places you start in are way too small,......... too many players all dumped into starting places, you feel like a person trapped in a box *No real story..........., almost no lore, I felt lost? and it felt a bit pointless to be there *There's something wrong with the game's horizontal vision,..... imagine looking through a camera and missing a good part of the side view of the world, that's what it's like when playing Aion, they restrict vision to the left and right
If I had to give it a score? Shrug, I guess 4/10. Anyway, I hope this helps, yes it's a very negative review, but that's how I felt about the game.
Every point you touched on,i eluded to before the game even came out,why?because i know asian games and i kn ow NCSOFT very well.
The standard MMO,is not a huge deal as most of us by now expect the same ho hum from every game,so not a real knock against NCSOFT there.
No goal or reason,well i guess the reason/goal is PVP,so there is sort of a reason.It is VERY easy to create a PVP game because you can skip anything unique,and content does not matter,because you are suppose to be out PVP'ing not doing other content.
I have NEVER seen an asian game translated well,they all seem to use asians to translate a game into north american speech.
Combat boring?well the niche there was VERY obvious,it was flying,they figured everyone would be so excited to fly,they would not care much about anything else.Personally from what i have gathered on the combat,it is decent and as good as any other PVP game,so they are not taking a step backwards,they are merely sliding ever so slightly ahead of normal PVP games.
NPC's...well has anyone EVER played an ASIAN game where NPC's do anything besides stand in front of a static building?This is just another reason why i said this game is not much more than another L2,same over all setup.
Small places to start.That was expected when you first heard there was less class than many MMO's and only two races,so they skipped town on development and went for something fast and easy to design.
Story?? well i expected that part to be all talk,i cannot really comment honestly on this topic as i would have to be playing for a week at least to see if this so called story carried on into the game as they claimed.IMO the story was simplistic and really over played.A god boots these two races out and slammed onto one planet.They must fight through the abyss for supremacy,nothing really magnificent there at all.Asians have been making games all one dimensional for years,you kill..kill and kill solo as fast as you can,the difference here is that the game was geared towards PVP.I believe RFO a VERY cheaply produced game had at least 3 races maybe it was 4,but only having 2 is kind of cheap.
I said from the beginning after watching MANY videos,that grouping was something of little interest to NCSOFT or ANY Asian game for that matter,they are always geared towards solo play.
Hey there no 2 troll from Aion forums. I could bet that you`ll come and say that you agree with .. the no 1 troll
I would want to tell you to try Aion first, then come here and make a mini review , BUT even if you will play it and like it or no, you will still bash it
So thanks for stepping by. Anything else?
Wrong on EVERY account.Immature to flame me using the word TROLL,and i have TONS of experience playing all genres to know what i see and others do not.
I am not bashing a game either,i am responding to posts.This is a forum ,people make posts for others to comment on.I gave my response and tried my best to explain each and did not bash anythiong.All my scores and responses are based on fact from players other than myself and from videos that DO NOT lie,and from what i have read.
I would suggest if you cannot take both sides of a discussion,to not take part in forums,as you are obviuosly biased and just a real troll,because you did not even comment on the topic.Not staying on topic is another offense that leans you as a troll,sorry but you called it and i proved it.
If you were not trolling ,you would offer a response to my comments or at the VERY LEAST>>>STAY ON TOPIC !.
You sir are the TROll,as flaming anyone who has the right to respond to posts in these forums,is not accepted by the TOS.If you ACTUALLY read my responses,you would clearly see they had reason and was nothing close to bashing.
I'm going have to call B.S. here. If you (Wizardy) know lots about NCSOFT you would know NCSOFT NA (North America) translates and localizes the games, NCSOFT NA comprising of people who live in North America meaning they speak fluent English or they wouldn't have been hired. Also if you really have much experience in other MMORPG games then you would realize, many of the things the original poster noted was mainly because he only got to sample a small piece of the game. I've played Korea reatail ever since Aion came out and yes the beginning of the game is very grindy having to collect X and talk to Y basis. But so is the "ever-godly" WoW. I know you didn't mention WoW in your post, but I will compare it with Aion because it is emmensly popular with both Asian audiance and NA/EU audiance. When Wow first came out, I don't know if you played the Beta, but it was almost entirely like this. Until players reached level 60 it was an completely different game with the same collect X bring to Y. People stated and I agree that once you reach level 60 the real game began. In Aion the case is the same. Once you have reached level 50, joined a decent guild and grinded bosses for decent items you have: mass PvP, castle sieges, clan wars, raid bosses much like what WoW has except a little more. I realize I'm completely saying that Aion is like WoW and Lineage II its almost a combination of the best of both worlds. I don't know why anyone really expected something radically different, because as you obviously know having played many many MMORPG games, anything radical 49 in 50 fail. Fail hard. I for one enjoy Aion more than WoW or Lineage II because I feel NCSOFT took weak parts of both WoW and Lineage II and reinforced it by combining similar concepts.
People who think Aion will be just another MMORPG that will fail: It won't. It is much too popular in both Korea and China currently, more than any other MMORPG with the exception of WoW and Lineage II. Guildwars/CoH,CoV/Hellgate/Cabal were all unpopular in the Asian countries which have a much larger player base than NA/EU.
In closing, before you bash a game for lacking, try playing the full game first.
I completely agree with Tactius. Before bashing a game (because you got to see a small sliver of it through a preview weekend) I would actually play the game. If not, then you're no better than those people who complained about Mass Effect beeing a "sex simulator" because they saw one cut scene, which represented a very small part of the game. When asked if they had actually played Mass Effect, none of them had, yet they all had very strong opinions about it.
I didn't get a chance to play in the preview but I am currently playing the Chinese retail client and the game is great. I agree with what Tactius said about the game itself and don't think you should judge the game so harshly from a preview beta.
I'll go over my impressions really fast. I'm not here to write a review, I'm not qualified to do that and I won't pretend to be, I'm just going to point out issues which bother me a lot and eventually disappointed me. I didn't expect the game to be great, but it I didn't expect it to be bad either, I was wrong, it's really not a very impressive game.
positive: *game runs very well *interface is nice to use *music is quite good *graphics are ok, much less good than Aion trailers, but still not bad
negative *Very standard MMO....... kills 10 of X, collect 4 of Y *No goal or reason to be there......, you feel like you're dropped into a world where you don't belong * text is mediocre at best.........., it's definitely translated by people not used to MMO, the language and terminology used isn't impressive *Combat is very boring........... for the first 10 levels, you get very few abilities *Game is a grind............, maybe I've played too many MMO, but <target mob> <kill mob> <target mob> <kill mob>..is what you'll be doing for about 4 hours non-stop to get to level 10 *NPC's did not speak to me (sound)................, maybe they will fix this, I don't know *Players are mostly just soloing,........... no real incentive to group, maybe this will change in later levels, I don't know *Places you start in are way too small,......... too many players all dumped into starting places, you feel like a person trapped in a box *No real story..........., almost no lore, I felt lost? and it felt a bit pointless to be there *There's something wrong with the game's horizontal vision,..... imagine looking through a camera and missing a good part of the side view of the world, that's what it's like when playing Aion, they restrict vision to the left and right
If I had to give it a score? Shrug, I guess 4/10. Anyway, I hope this helps, yes it's a very negative review, but that's how I felt about the game.
You are 100% honest, the game isn't going to do well in the North American market.
Really think if people want something like, go play Lineage 2 seriously, Lineage 2 is just so much better then this game , even in the execution from 1-20, you get a sense of the world and your role in it. All this Bioshock flash back shit, just doesn't work for an mmorpg, cause people are paying a monthly fee. SOme of the other elements like flying have been put into Lineage 2 , you also get more races, and more classes in Lineage2. I personally am having a hard time seeing how Americans can except a game that has 5 year old game engine, sound engine and is based on game odeas of Lineage 2. Trust the solareus, Lineage 2 is way better, and more a stablished
/me Fights in combat, Gets tossed out into the heavens, hits head on a stone, and forgets all her abilities and skills.
Thats basically what aion is about, you are relearning your past in the game, and stuff, I know it could be more detailed, and maybe it will be after the beta, but it seems great so far better than l2, The positive side is.
No waiting for mana longer than 15 seconds (;
Good Graphics, Better than wow
Everyone gets wings at level 10, Unlike wow buying mounts
Grouping/Quests, Personally I am a solo player I never group, and I find games that force it for higher rewards Dumb, People group if they want to, not in my opinion to get better rewards than others, thats just not how it should be.
Skills are like in lineage 2 you learn so many every so many level's, I know there could be more, But Actually its about the same as wow due to the fact most wow skills learned are just updates from 1-20, Except in aion it automatically levels them for you.
Skill Combo System is nice.
Cut Screen game play.
Yes there are still bugs in aion, like I cannot preview voice at character selection screen, or sometimes it causes internet explore to stop working, and stuff I have informed them as a beta tester of this already, and I think maybe thats why there is no voice in the cutscenes maybe.
Next beta testing will be here in a week or so from today, so far it seems great to me, Cant wait for release.
On the positive side, at least it wasn't a failed Launch like Darkfall lol darkfall beta opens and gets shut down, aion hasn't yet.
Really think if people want something like, go play Lineage 2 seriously, Lineage 2 is just so much better then this game , even in the execution from 1-20, you get a sense of the world and your role in it. All this Bioshock flash back shit, just doesn't work for an mmorpg, cause people are paying a monthly fee. SOme of the other elements like flying have been put into Lineage 2 , you also get more races, and more classes in Lineage2. I personally am having a hard time seeing how Americans can except a game that has 5 year old game engine, sound engine and is based on game odeas of Lineage 2. Trust the solareus, Lineage 2 is way better, and more a stablished
I would've played L2, I just couldn't stand their WASD. Point and Click is not an option for me. It is the most unbearable way to play a game.
The game is nothing like WOW, "did you get to levle 10?" lol you notice everyone that likes the game tosses that out. Its a very standard mmo. Has a old engine, and with the newer mmos on the way this one has a very small chance of going anywhere. For me.. its ok I like it but lacks so much..its just to simple and easy. I seen some sites looking for HARDCORE players lmao.. that was really funny.
if you were to play warcraft for only one weekend in the starting areas its nothing more than an asian grinder .
all you can hope for in such a small space of time at such early levels in a beta really is to see how smoothly the game plays what the interface is like and what the graphics are like . you dont get into any even remotly interesting content on wow till levels 20 + when you can do the deadmines and these days your really very lucky if you can get a party together to do any instances or group quests unitll you hit level 60 because of the faster leveling blizzard implimented a while back .
so untill level 60 warcrafts essentially an asian grinder for the better part of the time these days .
i dont know what aion is like personally because i was nt in the beta but from past experiances of betas i m smart enough to know its impossible to form much of an opinion about a beyond how performs at a most basic level .
the truth is unless we know someone or are someone thats played the asian version of this game we dont and wont know what aions real strengths and weaknesses untill theres an extended open beta or at least untill the game has been released for a few weeks in the west .
the thing that makes me think it may be a far better game than some of you are giving it credit for is its popularity in the asian market . that does nt mean it will automatically be as popular here of course .
lets not be stupid and believe a few pathetic trolls who have had ONE WEEKEND IN AION lets adopt a wait and see approach .
The game is nothing like WOW, "did you get to levle 10?" lol you notice everyone that likes the game tosses that out. Its a very standard mmo. Has a old engine, and with the newer mmos on the way this one has a very small chance of going anywhere. For me.. its ok I like it but lacks so much..its just to simple and easy. I seen some sites looking for HARDCORE players lmao.. that was really funny. You level waaaaay to fast.
Aion is a grind, fortunately a grind that I love! I have so much fun killing monsters in the Abyss, etc.
if you were to play warcraft for only one weekend in the starting areas its nothing more than an asian grinder . all you can hope for in such a small space of time at such early levels in a beta really is to see how smoothly the game plays what the interface is like and what the graphics are like . you dont get into any even remotly interesting content on wow till levels 20 + when you can do the deadmines and these days your really very lucky if you can get a party together to do any instances or group quests unitll you hit level 60 because of the faster leveling blizzard implimented a while back . so untill level 60 warcrafts essentially an asian grinder for the better part of the time these days . i dont know what aion is like personally because i was nt in the beta but from past experiances of betas i m smart enough to know its impossible to form much of an opinion about a beyond how performs at a most basic level . the truth is unless we know someone or are someone thats played the asian version of this game we dont and wont know what aions real strengths and weaknesses untill theres an extended open beta or at least untill the game has been released for a few weeks in the west . the thing that makes me think it may be a far better game than some of you are giving it credit for is its popularity in the asian market . that does nt mean it will automatically be as popular here of course . lets not be stupid and believe a few pathetic trolls who have had ONE WEEKEND IN AION lets adopt a wait and see approach . no mmo really gets going untill level 20-30 + i wonder how many trolls got past level 10
Because the only thing we can judge is a game at endgame right. The User Interface "Improves" when you get to the endgame. The style of the game radically changes at endgame. Boy you people can reallly blow smoke.
Also the a minus is the reuse of the Orc mobs from Lineage 2 to be Aions "nemesis" race is kind of tacky ..
Is there a point in your life that NCSOFT has done something so terrible to you that you feel the need to waste your life and everyone's time? Do you seriously have nothing better to do then troll every single AION thread that pops up? These are real questions, feel free to answer them. I 'm sure you're too busy writing another paragraph about something that doesn't exist though.
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Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
1 - everyone says the best thing Aion is the graphics. Well, thats not really true. The graphics when you really look at them are not that great.
Everything went into the player characters. The players are twice better than everything else in the game. The world graphics range from average to very poor, especially the texture mapping. The odd thing is that it will mix the texture maps quality. On a cliff wall for example you will have some details that look alright but then next to it will be some textures that are just dreadful.
Also, the shadows, oh the shadows. The shadows are an embrassment. No game released in 2009 should have shadows this bad. Yeah, you have real time shadows but only for players and mobs but they turn into circle shadows like 20 feet out. The shadows for the world objects(buildings, trees, etc) are pre baked and very bad, just as bad as WoWs world object shadows when it launched back in 2004.
The graphics as a whole are very nice. They come together well in the "big picture". Places like Sanctum looks incredible, just dont inspect anything too closely.
2 - I would not consider the flight system a major bullet point. First, you can only do it in friendly areas. If you think you can fly over a few mobs to get to where you're going then think again. The flying which is supposed to be the biggest feature of Aion is very restricted. I find it quite odd and disingenuous of NCSoft to advertise Aion with phrases like "spread your wings", "capability for true flight" and especially "enjoy the immense freedom of flight".
Another draw back to flying is Aions camera. You dont have a free look while moving. You have a free look while stationary but when you have such limited time to fly you dont want to stop every time you need to check your surroundings. This would be a MAJOR turn off for me during end game PvP.
The only place I found you can fly with real freedom is the Abyss. maybe someone with a high level character in the Chinese or Koran version can say if there is a second zone with total flight freedom.
After getting to level 20 and completing the Krall story line Im still interested in Aion but I am under no delusions that Aion will be some great MMO like many Aion fans here.
The world graphics range from average to very poor, especially the texture mapping. The odd thing is that it will mix the texture maps quality. On a cliff wall for example you will have some details that look alright but then next to it will be some textures that are just dreadful. If you think Im exaggerating here's a screen shot http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h173/Xiaoki/Aion0000.jpg
I agree. Some of the textures, especially the hill sides have always surprised me.
But after seeing how NCSoft has constantly upgraded the Lineage 2 textures over the years, this doesn't worry me. I am confident this will be fixed sooner or later.
Originally posted by Xiaoki Also, the shadows, oh the shadows. The shadows are an embrassment.
Agreed. But keep in mind that this isn't AoC with max 48x48 players on the screen. As per the NCsoft announcements Aion is designed to support 200-300 player battles.
i would suggest looking at the thread with a korean player reviewing aion . its pointless to read reviews about aion my moronic wow fanois who ve spent 48 hours in the game and are making sweeping statments about it being a grinder .
The world graphics range from average to very poor, especially the texture mapping. The odd thing is that it will mix the texture maps quality. On a cliff wall for example you will have some details that look alright but then next to it will be some textures that are just dreadful.
I agree. Some of the textures, especially the hill sides have always surprised me.
But after seeing how NCSoft has constantly upgraded the Lineage 2 textures over the years, this doesn't worry me. I am confident this will be fixed sooner or later.
Originally posted by Xiaoki
Also, the shadows, oh the shadows. The shadows are an embrassment.
Agreed. But keep in mind that this isn't AoC with max 48x48 players on the screen. As per the NCsoft announcements Aion is designed to support 200-300 player battles.
This game can handle 600 and 700 just as easy, I don't think there's any server side limitation, and I deffinetly didn't feel any kind of lag with around 1300 (did a /who) people on my channel in the Preview event (i7 920 3,8ghz, 6GB RAM and a 4870x2).
Obviously it's come to the point where everyone expects to receive a Handjob upon entering the playing realm of a new game. Aion never said it was innovative, it takes the features of the current genre and improves on them. WoW wasn't intuitive either, and it's done quite well.
Also, judging and MMO on the first 10 levels? Smart. I'm sure you enjoyed Heroic Striking your way through level 10 and Sinister Striking your way through level 10 as well, much more action packed.
And to top it off, I hit lvl 20 in China live without grinding once, so I don't know where you are pulling your info from.
Freaking LMAO. I haven't laughed at a post like this in a long-ass time. Brilliant dude.
Couple more things I fing really funny: 1 - everyone says the best thing Aion is the graphics. Well, thats not really true. The graphics when you really look at them are not that great. Everything went into the player characters. The players are twice better than everything else in the game. The world graphics range from average to very poor, especially the texture mapping. The odd thing is that it will mix the texture maps quality. On a cliff wall for example you will have some details that look alright but then next to it will be some textures that are just dreadful. If you think Im exaggerating here's a screen shot
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h173/Xiaoki/Aion0000.jpg Also, the shadows, oh the shadows. The shadows are an embrassment. No game released in 2009 should have shadows this bad. Yeah, you have real time shadows but only for players and mobs but they turn into circle shadows like 20 feet out. The shadows for the world objects(buildings, trees, etc) are pre baked and very bad, just as bad as WoWs world object shadows when it launched back in 2004. The graphics as a whole are very nice. They come together well in the "big picture". Places like Sanctum looks incredible, just dont inspect anything too closely.
On this I'll just have to say, If you are actually looking for something like whats in that SS to have an issue with. I'm sorry but REALLY?!? I usually try to look at both sides and you know when you point it out, yes I can see exactly what you're talking about . And you know what ? not to be a buzz kill or anything but what the hell are your priorities in a game if that piece of a cliff face breaks immersion for you? Shadows and pieces of texture? This is why we end up with Drek like AOC when it launched, some nit picker wants EVERY shadow and EVERY itty bitty piece of texture to be utterly flawless. Who the hell goes into an MMO, starts playing and doing whatever and then chooses some texture and shadows as a major flaw? Character animations, yes I can see that, my girlfriend will not play a char if the animations dont fit, sounds, skills, GLARING issues such as the entire cliff looking like that one spot. Bugs, exploits, just plain bad ART direction, all those can be a LEGITIMATE gripe. If i look at your face reeeeeeeeeeeeelly closely I'll see pores, OMG you might be a F*cking supermodel if not for those little bitty pores.
/rant off
And no, Aion is not the second coming. It is, however one of the better games to come out in the past 2 years. I don't mind real issues like your statement about the flight is pretty much correct, and as you also said, not a real game breaker but it is a bit at odds with their campaign.
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Have you even played this game? It has as many quests as any other mmo around these days from what I've seen.
Every point you touched on,i eluded to before the game even came out,why?because i know asian games and i kn ow NCSOFT very well.
The standard MMO,is not a huge deal as most of us by now expect the same ho hum from every game,so not a real knock against NCSOFT there.
No goal or reason,well i guess the reason/goal is PVP,so there is sort of a reason.It is VERY easy to create a PVP game because you can skip anything unique,and content does not matter,because you are suppose to be out PVP'ing not doing other content.
I have NEVER seen an asian game translated well,they all seem to use asians to translate a game into north american speech.
Combat boring?well the niche there was VERY obvious,it was flying,they figured everyone would be so excited to fly,they would not care much about anything else.Personally from what i have gathered on the combat,it is decent and as good as any other PVP game,so they are not taking a step backwards,they are merely sliding ever so slightly ahead of normal PVP games.
NPC's...well has anyone EVER played an ASIAN game where NPC's do anything besides stand in front of a static building?This is just another reason why i said this game is not much more than another L2,same over all setup.
Small places to start.That was expected when you first heard there was less class than many MMO's and only two races,so they skipped town on development and went for something fast and easy to design.
Story?? well i expected that part to be all talk,i cannot really comment honestly on this topic as i would have to be playing for a week at least to see if this so called story carried on into the game as they claimed.IMO the story was simplistic and really over played.A god boots these two races out and slammed onto one planet.They must fight through the abyss for supremacy,nothing really magnificent there at all.Asians have been making games all one dimensional for years,you kill..kill and kill solo as fast as you can,the difference here is that the game was geared towards PVP.I believe RFO a VERY cheaply produced game had at least 3 races maybe it was 4,but only having 2 is kind of cheap.
I said from the beginning after watching MANY videos,that grouping was something of little interest to NCSOFT or ANY Asian game for that matter,they are always geared towards solo play.
Hey there no 2 troll from Aion forums. I could bet that you`ll come and say that you agree with .. the no 1 troll
I would want to tell you to try Aion first, then come here and make a mini review , BUT even if you will play it and like it or no, you will still bash it
So thanks for stepping by. Anything else?
Wrong on EVERY account.Immature to flame me using the word TROLL,and i have TONS of experience playing all genres to know what i see and others do not.
I am not bashing a game either,i am responding to posts.This is a forum ,people make posts for others to comment on.I gave my response and tried my best to explain each and did not bash anythiong.All my scores and responses are based on fact from players other than myself and from videos that DO NOT lie,and from what i have read.
I would suggest if you cannot take both sides of a discussion,to not take part in forums,as you are obviuosly biased and just a real troll,because you did not even comment on the topic.Not staying on topic is another offense that leans you as a troll,sorry but you called it and i proved it.
If you were not trolling ,you would offer a response to my comments or at the VERY LEAST>>>STAY ON TOPIC !.
You sir are the TROll,as flaming anyone who has the right to respond to posts in these forums,is not accepted by the TOS.If you ACTUALLY read my responses,you would clearly see they had reason and was nothing close to bashing.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
This thread is a carbon copy of the threads in the WoW section right before it was released which is kinda funny.
Some ppl are really selfish in this thread, saying things like "they didnt make it to an EU/NA audience" I for one enjoy it very much, if they did make it any other way they wouldnt be making it for me, so im glad that its not YOUR type of game cause then I probably wouldnt like it.
Every point you touched on,i eluded to before the game even came out,why?because i know asian games and i kn ow NCSOFT very well.
The standard MMO,is not a huge deal as most of us by now expect the same ho hum from every game,so not a real knock against NCSOFT there.
No goal or reason,well i guess the reason/goal is PVP,so there is sort of a reason.It is VERY easy to create a PVP game because you can skip anything unique,and content does not matter,because you are suppose to be out PVP'ing not doing other content.
I have NEVER seen an asian game translated well,they all seem to use asians to translate a game into north american speech.
Combat boring?well the niche there was VERY obvious,it was flying,they figured everyone would be so excited to fly,they would not care much about anything else.Personally from what i have gathered on the combat,it is decent and as good as any other PVP game,so they are not taking a step backwards,they are merely sliding ever so slightly ahead of normal PVP games.
NPC's...well has anyone EVER played an ASIAN game where NPC's do anything besides stand in front of a static building?This is just another reason why i said this game is not much more than another L2,same over all setup.
Small places to start.That was expected when you first heard there was less class than many MMO's and only two races,so they skipped town on development and went for something fast and easy to design.
Story?? well i expected that part to be all talk,i cannot really comment honestly on this topic as i would have to be playing for a week at least to see if this so called story carried on into the game as they claimed.IMO the story was simplistic and really over played.A god boots these two races out and slammed onto one planet.They must fight through the abyss for supremacy,nothing really magnificent there at all.Asians have been making games all one dimensional for years,you kill..kill and kill solo as fast as you can,the difference here is that the game was geared towards PVP.I believe RFO a VERY cheaply produced game had at least 3 races maybe it was 4,but only having 2 is kind of cheap.
I said from the beginning after watching MANY videos,that grouping was something of little interest to NCSOFT or ANY Asian game for that matter,they are always geared towards solo play.
Hey there no 2 troll from Aion forums. I could bet that you`ll come and say that you agree with .. the no 1 troll
I would want to tell you to try Aion first, then come here and make a mini review , BUT even if you will play it and like it or no, you will still bash it
So thanks for stepping by. Anything else?
Wrong on EVERY account.Immature to flame me using the word TROLL,and i have TONS of experience playing all genres to know what i see and others do not.
I am not bashing a game either,i am responding to posts.This is a forum ,people make posts for others to comment on.I gave my response and tried my best to explain each and did not bash anythiong.All my scores and responses are based on fact from players other than myself and from videos that DO NOT lie,and from what i have read.
I would suggest if you cannot take both sides of a discussion,to not take part in forums,as you are obviuosly biased and just a real troll,because you did not even comment on the topic.Not staying on topic is another offense that leans you as a troll,sorry but you called it and i proved it.
If you were not trolling ,you would offer a response to my comments or at the VERY LEAST>>>STAY ON TOPIC !.
You sir are the TROll,as flaming anyone who has the right to respond to posts in these forums,is not accepted by the TOS.If you ACTUALLY read my responses,you would clearly see they had reason and was nothing close to bashing.
I'm going have to call B.S. here. If you (Wizardy) know lots about NCSOFT you would know NCSOFT NA (North America) translates and localizes the games, NCSOFT NA comprising of people who live in North America meaning they speak fluent English or they wouldn't have been hired. Also if you really have much experience in other MMORPG games then you would realize, many of the things the original poster noted was mainly because he only got to sample a small piece of the game. I've played Korea reatail ever since Aion came out and yes the beginning of the game is very grindy having to collect X and talk to Y basis. But so is the "ever-godly" WoW. I know you didn't mention WoW in your post, but I will compare it with Aion because it is emmensly popular with both Asian audiance and NA/EU audiance. When Wow first came out, I don't know if you played the Beta, but it was almost entirely like this. Until players reached level 60 it was an completely different game with the same collect X bring to Y. People stated and I agree that once you reach level 60 the real game began. In Aion the case is the same. Once you have reached level 50, joined a decent guild and grinded bosses for decent items you have: mass PvP, castle sieges, clan wars, raid bosses much like what WoW has except a little more. I realize I'm completely saying that Aion is like WoW and Lineage II its almost a combination of the best of both worlds. I don't know why anyone really expected something radically different, because as you obviously know having played many many MMORPG games, anything radical 49 in 50 fail. Fail hard. I for one enjoy Aion more than WoW or Lineage II because I feel NCSOFT took weak parts of both WoW and Lineage II and reinforced it by combining similar concepts.
People who think Aion will be just another MMORPG that will fail: It won't. It is much too popular in both Korea and China currently, more than any other MMORPG with the exception of WoW and Lineage II. Guildwars/CoH,CoV/Hellgate/Cabal were all unpopular in the Asian countries which have a much larger player base than NA/EU.
In closing, before you bash a game for lacking, try playing the full game first.
I completely agree with Tactius. Before bashing a game (because you got to see a small sliver of it through a preview weekend) I would actually play the game. If not, then you're no better than those people who complained about Mass Effect beeing a "sex simulator" because they saw one cut scene, which represented a very small part of the game. When asked if they had actually played Mass Effect, none of them had, yet they all had very strong opinions about it.
I didn't get a chance to play in the preview but I am currently playing the Chinese retail client and the game is great. I agree with what Tactius said about the game itself and don't think you should judge the game so harshly from a preview beta.
all i have to say is that you're all ignorant and speak out of ur buttocks..
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You are 100% honest, the game isn't going to do well in the North American market.
zuhahahaha LoL Solareus Try Again Later please
what a troll
/me Fights in combat, Gets tossed out into the heavens, hits head on a stone, and forgets all her abilities and skills.
Thats basically what aion is about, you are relearning your past in the game, and stuff, I know it could be more detailed, and maybe it will be after the beta, but it seems great so far better than l2, The positive side is.
No waiting for mana longer than 15 seconds (;
Good Graphics, Better than wow
Everyone gets wings at level 10, Unlike wow buying mounts
Grouping/Quests, Personally I am a solo player I never group, and I find games that force it for higher rewards Dumb, People group if they want to, not in my opinion to get better rewards than others, thats just not how it should be.
Skills are like in lineage 2 you learn so many every so many level's, I know there could be more, But Actually its about the same as wow due to the fact most wow skills learned are just updates from 1-20, Except in aion it automatically levels them for you.
Skill Combo System is nice.
Cut Screen game play.
Yes there are still bugs in aion, like I cannot preview voice at character selection screen, or sometimes it causes internet explore to stop working, and stuff I have informed them as a beta tester of this already, and I think maybe thats why there is no voice in the cutscenes maybe.
Next beta testing will be here in a week or so from today, so far it seems great to me, Cant wait for release.
On the positive side, at least it wasn't a failed Launch like Darkfall lol darkfall beta opens and gets shut down, aion hasn't yet.
I would've played L2, I just couldn't stand their WASD. Point and Click is not an option for me. It is the most unbearable way to play a game.
The game is nothing like WOW, "did you get to levle 10?" lol you notice everyone that likes the game tosses that out. Its a very standard mmo. Has a old engine, and with the newer mmos on the way this one has a very small chance of going anywhere. For me.. its ok I like it but lacks so much..its just to simple and easy. I seen some sites looking for HARDCORE players lmao.. that was really funny.
You level waaaaay to fast.
if you were to play warcraft for only one weekend in the starting areas its nothing more than an asian grinder .
all you can hope for in such a small space of time at such early levels in a beta really is to see how smoothly the game plays what the interface is like and what the graphics are like . you dont get into any even remotly interesting content on wow till levels 20 + when you can do the deadmines and these days your really very lucky if you can get a party together to do any instances or group quests unitll you hit level 60 because of the faster leveling blizzard implimented a while back .
so untill level 60 warcrafts essentially an asian grinder for the better part of the time these days .
i dont know what aion is like personally because i was nt in the beta but from past experiances of betas i m smart enough to know its impossible to form much of an opinion about a beyond how performs at a most basic level .
the truth is unless we know someone or are someone thats played the asian version of this game we dont and wont know what aions real strengths and weaknesses untill theres an extended open beta or at least untill the game has been released for a few weeks in the west .
the thing that makes me think it may be a far better game than some of you are giving it credit for is its popularity in the asian market . that does nt mean it will automatically be as popular here of course .
lets not be stupid and believe a few pathetic trolls who have had ONE WEEKEND IN AION lets adopt a wait and see approach .
no mmo really gets going untill level 20-30 +
i wonder how many trolls got past level 10
Aion is a grind, fortunately a grind that I love! I have so much fun killing monsters in the Abyss, etc.
The only thing I predict will kill aion is IF NC SOFT/Korea Decides to start saying.
WE NERF This and that in pvp, it ruins games for everyone constantly changing things.
Because the only thing we can judge is a game at endgame right. The User Interface "Improves" when you get to the endgame. The style of the game radically changes at endgame. Boy you people can reallly blow smoke.
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Is there a point in your life that NCSOFT has done something so terrible to you that you feel the need to waste your life and everyone's time? Do you seriously have nothing better to do then troll every single AION thread that pops up? These are real questions, feel free to answer them. I 'm sure you're too busy writing another paragraph about something that doesn't exist though.
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Had I the heavens' embroidered cloths, Enwrought with golden and silver light, The blue and the dim and the dark cloths Of night and light and the half light, I would spread the cloths under your feet: But I, being poor, have only my dreams; I have spread my dreams under your feet; Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
Couple more things I fing really funny:
1 - everyone says the best thing Aion is the graphics. Well, thats not really true. The graphics when you really look at them are not that great.
Everything went into the player characters. The players are twice better than everything else in the game. The world graphics range from average to very poor, especially the texture mapping. The odd thing is that it will mix the texture maps quality. On a cliff wall for example you will have some details that look alright but then next to it will be some textures that are just dreadful.
If you think Im exaggerating here's a screen shot
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h173/Xiaoki/Aion0000.jpg
Also, the shadows, oh the shadows. The shadows are an embrassment. No game released in 2009 should have shadows this bad. Yeah, you have real time shadows but only for players and mobs but they turn into circle shadows like 20 feet out. The shadows for the world objects(buildings, trees, etc) are pre baked and very bad, just as bad as WoWs world object shadows when it launched back in 2004.
The graphics as a whole are very nice. They come together well in the "big picture". Places like Sanctum looks incredible, just dont inspect anything too closely.
2 - I would not consider the flight system a major bullet point. First, you can only do it in friendly areas. If you think you can fly over a few mobs to get to where you're going then think again. The flying which is supposed to be the biggest feature of Aion is very restricted. I find it quite odd and disingenuous of NCSoft to advertise Aion with phrases like "spread your wings", "capability for true flight" and especially "enjoy the immense freedom of flight".
Another draw back to flying is Aions camera. You dont have a free look while moving. You have a free look while stationary but when you have such limited time to fly you dont want to stop every time you need to check your surroundings. This would be a MAJOR turn off for me during end game PvP.
The only place I found you can fly with real freedom is the Abyss. maybe someone with a high level character in the Chinese or Koran version can say if there is a second zone with total flight freedom.
After getting to level 20 and completing the Krall story line Im still interested in Aion but I am under no delusions that Aion will be some great MMO like many Aion fans here.
ROFL
Solareus, I am starting to enjoy your posts more and more
I agree. Some of the textures, especially the hill sides have always surprised me.
But after seeing how NCSoft has constantly upgraded the Lineage 2 textures over the years, this doesn't worry me. I am confident this will be fixed sooner or later.
Agreed. But keep in mind that this isn't AoC with max 48x48 players on the screen. As per the NCsoft announcements Aion is designed to support 200-300 player battles.
i would suggest looking at the thread with a korean player reviewing aion . its pointless to read reviews about aion my moronic wow fanois who ve spent 48 hours in the game and are making sweeping statments about it being a grinder .
how can anyone know in so short a time .
I agree. Some of the textures, especially the hill sides have always surprised me.
But after seeing how NCSoft has constantly upgraded the Lineage 2 textures over the years, this doesn't worry me. I am confident this will be fixed sooner or later.
Agreed. But keep in mind that this isn't AoC with max 48x48 players on the screen. As per the NCsoft announcements Aion is designed to support 200-300 player battles.
This game can handle 600 and 700 just as easy, I don't think there's any server side limitation, and I deffinetly didn't feel any kind of lag with around 1300 (did a /who) people on my channel in the Preview event (i7 920 3,8ghz, 6GB RAM and a 4870x2).
Freaking LMAO. I haven't laughed at a post like this in a long-ass time. Brilliant dude.
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On this I'll just have to say, If you are actually looking for something like whats in that SS to have an issue with. I'm sorry but REALLY?!? I usually try to look at both sides and you know when you point it out, yes I can see exactly what you're talking about . And you know what ? not to be a buzz kill or anything but what the hell are your priorities in a game if that piece of a cliff face breaks immersion for you? Shadows and pieces of texture? This is why we end up with Drek like AOC when it launched, some nit picker wants EVERY shadow and EVERY itty bitty piece of texture to be utterly flawless. Who the hell goes into an MMO, starts playing and doing whatever and then chooses some texture and shadows as a major flaw? Character animations, yes I can see that, my girlfriend will not play a char if the animations dont fit, sounds, skills, GLARING issues such as the entire cliff looking like that one spot. Bugs, exploits, just plain bad ART direction, all those can be a LEGITIMATE gripe. If i look at your face reeeeeeeeeeeeelly closely I'll see pores, OMG you might be a F*cking supermodel if not for those little bitty pores.
/rant off
And no, Aion is not the second coming. It is, however one of the better games to come out in the past 2 years. I don't mind real issues like your statement about the flight is pretty much correct, and as you also said, not a real game breaker but it is a bit at odds with their campaign.