Hahaha. This is hilarious. So many whiney crying because the game cost too much. Wait for digital download and it should be cheaper then DF. DF had no boxing, no shipping and no mass production, just a Digital Download. What make MO pricey is is how the compagny didn't make it mass produced. Compagny like funcom and Blizzard ect have way more money then a new compagny trying to break the MMORPG place. To me, MO is one of the compagny who try to make their dream become reality by making their dream game alive. Obviously, money doesn't drop form tree (actually it's does it's paper!) so, once they're money run out ( which seme like it did) they need to get some. So they sold their game pre-maturely with pre-order giving the player beta access ( so they can enjoy the game sooner) and finish the game within the delay.
If you find the game is to pricey now, don't buy it and wait. but please, stop crying.
Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product.
Hahaha. This is hilarious. So many whiney crying because the game cost too much. Wait for digital download and it should be cheaper then DF. DF had no boxing, no shipping and no mass production, just a Digital Download. What make MO pricey is is how the compagny didn't make it mass produced. Compagny like funcom and Blizzard ect have way more money then a new compagny trying to break the MMORPG place. To me, MO is one of the compagny who try to make their dream become reality by making their dream game alive. Obviously, money doesn't drop form tree (actually it's does it's paper!) so, once they're money run out ( which seme like it did) they need to get some. So they sold their game pre-maturely with pre-order giving the player beta access ( so they can enjoy the game sooner) and finish the game within the delay.
If you find the game is to pricey now, don't buy it and wait. but please, stop crying.
Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product.
Hahaha. This is hilarious. So many whiney crying because the game cost too much. Wait for digital download and it should be cheaper then DF. DF had no boxing, no shipping and no mass production, just a Digital Download. What make MO pricey is is how the compagny didn't make it mass produced. Compagny like funcom and Blizzard ect have way more money then a new compagny trying to break the MMORPG place. To me, MO is one of the compagny who try to make their dream become reality by making their dream game alive. Obviously, money doesn't drop form tree (actually it's does it's paper!) so, once they're money run out ( which seme like it did) they need to get some. So they sold their game pre-maturely with pre-order giving the player beta access ( so they can enjoy the game sooner) and finish the game within the delay.
If you find the game is to pricey now, don't buy it and wait. but please, stop crying.
Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product.
This is sounds Sneaky like its not finished.
/Agree
Id software released a game that was less than 1.44MB big as shareware. It was a single player game, no server overhead, no engine licensing fees and this was more than a decade ago, things have changed, horrible analogy.
Hahaha. This is hilarious. So many whiney crying because the game cost too much. Wait for digital download and it should be cheaper then DF. DF had no boxing, no shipping and no mass production, just a Digital Download. What make MO pricey is is how the compagny didn't make it mass produced. Compagny like funcom and Blizzard ect have way more money then a new compagny trying to break the MMORPG place. To me, MO is one of the compagny who try to make their dream become reality by making their dream game alive. Obviously, money doesn't drop form tree (actually it's does it's paper!) so, once they're money run out ( which seme like it did) they need to get some. So they sold their game pre-maturely with pre-order giving the player beta access ( so they can enjoy the game sooner) and finish the game within the delay.
If you find the game is to pricey now, don't buy it and wait. but please, stop crying.
Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product.
This is sounds Sneaky like its not finished.
/Agree
Id software released a game that was less than 1.44MB big as shareware. It was a single player game, no server overhead, no engine licensing fees and this was more than a decade ago, things have changed, horrible analogy.
analogy, fecalogy...
Bottom line is that they are charging people full price to help test and fix their game which is luda.. There are plenty of volunteers that would donate their time and effort to finding bugs and etc.. But asking people to PAY to do that is absurd..
Edit: Would you ask a volunteer fire fighter to pay you 75 bucks before putting out a fire in your house? Its his job and he wants to help you, but you charge him anyway?
Hahaha. This is hilarious. So many whiney crying because the game cost too much. Wait for digital download and it should be cheaper then DF. DF had no boxing, no shipping and no mass production, just a Digital Download. What make MO pricey is is how the compagny didn't make it mass produced. Compagny like funcom and Blizzard ect have way more money then a new compagny trying to break the MMORPG place. To me, MO is one of the compagny who try to make their dream become reality by making their dream game alive. Obviously, money doesn't drop form tree (actually it's does it's paper!) so, once they're money run out ( which seme like it did) they need to get some. So they sold their game pre-maturely with pre-order giving the player beta access ( so they can enjoy the game sooner) and finish the game within the delay.
If you find the game is to pricey now, don't buy it and wait. but please, stop crying.
Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product.
This is sounds Sneaky like its not finished.
/Agree
Id software released a game that was less than 1.44MB big as shareware. It was a single player game, no server overhead, no engine licensing fees and this was more than a decade ago, things have changed, horrible analogy.
analogy, fecalogy...
Bottom line is that they are charging people full price to help test and fix their game which is luda.. There are plenty of volunteers that would donate their time and effort to finding bugs and etc.. But asking people to PAY to do that is absurd..
Edit: Would you ask a volunteer fire fighter to pay you 75 bucks before putting out a fire in your house? Its his job and he wants to help you, but you charge him anyway?
You pay for the house without fire damage. Like you pay for the 'completish' game at LAUNCH by pre ordering now. Playing the beta when the game is in an unfinsihed state is just a bonus.
In your analogy that would come down to getting to ride along on the fire truck and having the opportunity to do some fire extinguishing yourself!
Ok here's a couple of things to ponder. SV is an indie company that has a niche market and therefore don't have a sweatshop in China somwhere who will box and ship their games at a huge discount, i.e. EA, Blizz. The boxes are all Metal Embossed boxes and hince even the reg. version would be considered an LE for most games.
Lets look at how much more you are really paying for a boxed version compared to an xbox360 game at a store. Xbox 360 game will cost you 60$ US at any store i have been to unless it's used. Boxed version for MO was 75$ US and that included shipping and a metal emossed box. Shipping was around 7-10$, so in reality you are only paying 5-8$ more than a 360 game. I mean hell look at the LE edition of Halo2, it was like 115$ to buy and i got my LE for 98$.
All i am saying is it's not really that expensive when you look at the details. Either you think it's worth it to buy and get into beta or you don't and you get the DD which is going to be cheaper than DF.
This thread cracks me up, mostly since the title is way off, only thing he got right was 75$ for normal boxed. It's 98$ for LE retard and 14.25$ a month and it's called loot bag version.
Either way, buy it or don't, that's your decision but i'll be in game on Mon. enjoying myself. I mean seriously complaining about the price, i spend that much on pointless shit like drinking and dinner all the fucking time. At least after purchasing this i won't have a massive hangover the next morning.
Ok here's a couple of things to ponder. SV is an indie company that has a niche market and therefore don't have a sweatshop in China somwhere who will box and ship their games at a huge discount, i.e. EA, Blizz. The boxes are all Metal Embossed boxes and hince even the reg. version would be considered an LE for most games.
Lets look at how much more you are really paying for a boxed version compared to an xbox360 game at a store. Xbox 360 game will cost you 60$ US at any store i have been to unless it's used. Boxed version for MO was 75$ US and that included shipping and a metal emossed box. Shipping was around 7-10$, so in reality you are only paying 5-8$ more than a 360 game. I mean hell look at the LE edition of Halo2, it was like 115$ to buy and i got my LE for 98$.
All i am saying is it's not really that expensive when you look at the details. Either you think it's worth it to buy and get into beta or you don't and you get the DD which is going to be cheaper than DF.
This thread cracks me up, mostly since the title is way off, only thing he got right was 75$ for normal boxed. It's 98$ for LE retard and 14.25$ a month and it's called loot bag version.
Either way, buy it or don't, that's your decision but i'll be in game on Mon. enjoying myself. I mean seriously complaining about the price, i spend that much on pointless shit like drinking and dinner all the fucking time. At least after purchasing this i won't have a massive hangover the next morning.
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Ok here's a couple of things to ponder. SV is an indie company that has a niche market and therefore don't have a sweatshop in China somwhere who will box and ship their games at a huge discount, i.e. EA, Blizz. The boxes are all Metal Embossed boxes and hince even the reg. version would be considered an LE for most games.
Lets look at how much more you are really paying for a boxed version compared to an xbox360 game at a store. Xbox 360 game will cost you 60$ US at any store i have been to unless it's used. Boxed version for MO was 75$ US and that included shipping and a metal emossed box. Shipping was around 7-10$, so in reality you are only paying 5-8$ more than a 360 game. I mean hell look at the LE edition of Halo2, it was like 115$ to buy and i got my LE for 98$.
All i am saying is it's not really that expensive when you look at the details. Either you think it's worth it to buy and get into beta or you don't and you get the DD which is going to be cheaper than DF.
This thread cracks me up, mostly since the title is way off, only thing he got right was 75$ for normal boxed. It's 98$ for LE retard and 14.25$ a month and it's called loot bag version.
Either way, buy it or don't, that's your decision but i'll be in game on Mon. enjoying myself. I mean seriously complaining about the price, i spend that much on pointless shit like drinking and dinner all the fucking time. At least after purchasing this i won't have a massive hangover the next morning.
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Ok here's a couple of things to ponder. SV is an indie company that has a niche market and therefore don't have a sweatshop in China somwhere who will box and ship their games at a huge discount, i.e. EA, Blizz. The boxes are all Metal Embossed boxes and hince even the reg. version would be considered an LE for most games.
Lets look at how much more you are really paying for a boxed version compared to an xbox360 game at a store. Xbox 360 game will cost you 60$ US at any store i have been to unless it's used. Boxed version for MO was 75$ US and that included shipping and a metal emossed box. Shipping was around 7-10$, so in reality you are only paying 5-8$ more than a 360 game. I mean hell look at the LE edition of Halo2, it was like 115$ to buy and i got my LE for 98$.
All i am saying is it's not really that expensive when you look at the details. Either you think it's worth it to buy and get into beta or you don't and you get the DD which is going to be cheaper than DF.
This thread cracks me up, mostly since the title is way off, only thing he got right was 75$ for normal boxed. It's 98$ for LE retard and 14.25$ a month and it's called loot bag version.
Either way, buy it or don't, that's your decision but i'll be in game on Mon. enjoying myself. I mean seriously complaining about the price, i spend that much on pointless shit like drinking and dinner all the fucking time. At least after purchasing this i won't have a massive hangover the next morning.
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
Ok here's a couple of things to ponder. SV is an indie company that has a niche market and therefore don't have a sweatshop in China somwhere who will box and ship their games at a huge discount, i.e. EA, Blizz. The boxes are all Metal Embossed boxes and hince even the reg. version would be considered an LE for most games.
Lets look at how much more you are really paying for a boxed version compared to an xbox360 game at a store. Xbox 360 game will cost you 60$ US at any store i have been to unless it's used. Boxed version for MO was 75$ US and that included shipping and a metal emossed box. Shipping was around 7-10$, so in reality you are only paying 5-8$ more than a 360 game. I mean hell look at the LE edition of Halo2, it was like 115$ to buy and i got my LE for 98$.
All i am saying is it's not really that expensive when you look at the details. Either you think it's worth it to buy and get into beta or you don't and you get the DD which is going to be cheaper than DF.
This thread cracks me up, mostly since the title is way off, only thing he got right was 75$ for normal boxed. It's 98$ for LE retard and 14.25$ a month and it's called loot bag version.
Either way, buy it or don't, that's your decision but i'll be in game on Mon. enjoying myself. I mean seriously complaining about the price, i spend that much on pointless shit like drinking and dinner all the fucking time. At least after purchasing this i won't have a massive hangover the next morning.
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
So your saying for them to run the same encryption program on the software to burn and then just make 1million copies of it like you would on a normal DVD makes it alot more expensive? Or are you saying that the disk itself is actually different that Microsoft invented a new type of DVD (couldnt be called dvd since there is a patent on this) ?
Xbox 360 games use a XDVDFS image and are encrypted but the DVD is no different than your regular DVD the difference is they will burn it with an encrypted image which can only be read with the samsung 616T/F firmware, it does not cost them a penny more to produce a million xbox dvd's besides just being plain greedy and asking for more money.
Ok here's a couple of things to ponder. SV is an indie company that has a niche market and therefore don't have a sweatshop in China somwhere who will box and ship their games at a huge discount, i.e. EA, Blizz. The boxes are all Metal Embossed boxes and hince even the reg. version would be considered an LE for most games.
Lets look at how much more you are really paying for a boxed version compared to an xbox360 game at a store. Xbox 360 game will cost you 60$ US at any store i have been to unless it's used. Boxed version for MO was 75$ US and that included shipping and a metal emossed box. Shipping was around 7-10$, so in reality you are only paying 5-8$ more than a 360 game. I mean hell look at the LE edition of Halo2, it was like 115$ to buy and i got my LE for 98$.
All i am saying is it's not really that expensive when you look at the details. Either you think it's worth it to buy and get into beta or you don't and you get the DD which is going to be cheaper than DF.
This thread cracks me up, mostly since the title is way off, only thing he got right was 75$ for normal boxed. It's 98$ for LE retard and 14.25$ a month and it's called loot bag version.
Either way, buy it or don't, that's your decision but i'll be in game on Mon. enjoying myself. I mean seriously complaining about the price, i spend that much on pointless shit like drinking and dinner all the fucking time. At least after purchasing this i won't have a massive hangover the next morning.
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
So your saying for them to run the same encryption program on the software to burn and then just make 1million copies of it like you would on a normal DVD makes it alot more expensive? Or are you saying that the disk itself is actually different that Microsoft invented a new type of DVD (couldnt be called dvd since there is a patent on this) ?
The dvd the xbox 360 uses is a dual-layer dvd (used with xbox 360 so it can read to play the games) The ps3 uses blu-ray
I am talking about the dvd itself, not the encryption software it uses.
Normal DVDs are cheaper than the dual-layer and the blu-ray, making the game a cheaper price.
Ok here's a couple of things to ponder. SV is an indie company that has a niche market and therefore don't have a sweatshop in China somwhere who will box and ship their games at a huge discount, i.e. EA, Blizz. The boxes are all Metal Embossed boxes and hince even the reg. version would be considered an LE for most games.
Lets look at how much more you are really paying for a boxed version compared to an xbox360 game at a store. Xbox 360 game will cost you 60$ US at any store i have been to unless it's used. Boxed version for MO was 75$ US and that included shipping and a metal emossed box. Shipping was around 7-10$, so in reality you are only paying 5-8$ more than a 360 game. I mean hell look at the LE edition of Halo2, it was like 115$ to buy and i got my LE for 98$.
All i am saying is it's not really that expensive when you look at the details. Either you think it's worth it to buy and get into beta or you don't and you get the DD which is going to be cheaper than DF.
This thread cracks me up, mostly since the title is way off, only thing he got right was 75$ for normal boxed. It's 98$ for LE retard and 14.25$ a month and it's called loot bag version.
Either way, buy it or don't, that's your decision but i'll be in game on Mon. enjoying myself. I mean seriously complaining about the price, i spend that much on pointless shit like drinking and dinner all the fucking time. At least after purchasing this i won't have a massive hangover the next morning.
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
So your saying for them to run the same encryption program on the software to burn and then just make 1million copies of it like you would on a normal DVD makes it alot more expensive? Or are you saying that the disk itself is actually different that Microsoft invented a new type of DVD (couldnt be called dvd since there is a patent on this) ?
The dvd the xbox 360 uses is a dual-layer dvd (used with xbox 360 so it can read to play the games) The ps3 uses blu-ray
I am talking about the dvd itself, not the encryption software it uses.
Normal DVDs are cheaper than the dual-layer and the blu-ray, making the game a cheaper price.
lol do you actually know that mega-corps like Sony and Microsoft have their own DVD duplication factories? Hell Sony even produces blank DVDs themselves! They literally poop out copies and i am pretty sure it costs them almost nothing in comparison to a single 10k duplication run.
Yet their Games are still more expensive?! Hmmmm...your logic intrigues me. Maybe THEY ARE in fact overpriced!
And WTF has the content of the disc (encryption?) to do with the actual disc price?? It does not matter if you slap a movie or a game on a DVD it is both Data and the disc will always be at the same price no matter what.. Storage Size is the only factor here. L2DVDMaster.
Disc prices are beside the point anyway. Apart from the game, the biggest chunk of bucks that went into the boxed copy is the box itself; it is made in metal and probably printed with at least 4 runs through a pretty expensive printing machine. Add to that a brochure / guide, full color printed dvd(s) and you've got the picture.
My guess would be that SV payed somewhere between 12 and 20 dollars in total production cost per box. This could be on the higher side of that scale since as far as I know they only ordered up to 10k ish copies of each; do the same with, say, 300k boxes or more, like the big releases, and the price would be quite a bit lower per box since prices drop a lot with bigger orders. That is, these would be the costs without shipping and taxes.
Disc prices are beside the point anyway. Apart from the game, the biggest chunk of bucks that went into the boxed copy is the box itself; it is made in metal and probably printed with at least 4 runs through a pretty expensive printing machine. Add to that a brochure / guide, full color printed dvd(s) and you've got the picture. My guess would be that SV payed somewhere between 12 and 20 dollars in total production cost per box. This could be on the higher side of that scale since as far as I know they only ordered up to 10k ish copies of each; do the same with, say, 300k boxes or more, like the big releases, and the price would be quite a bit lower per box since prices drop a lot with bigger orders. That is, these would be the costs without shipping and taxes.
I imagine it cost them, possibly, twice what you think.
You're fogetting the art, the box that the box comes in, the art on that box, and everything else.
I dought they made the brochure/ guide in house, or even the layout for the box art. It's likely whoever is producing the boxes did everything, and at less then 10k copies it's going to cost a lot.
They even said themself that they aren't making that much off the boxes, and they had to sell them before the DD in order to try and recoup some of the money they put into it. I could see a 50% profit on each box, but not a 100 to 150%.
The printing part, not the stamping of the box, but the printing of the art on the cardboard box and the manual is more expensive then people realize.
Then consider everything that comes in the LE.
I imagine a portion of the regular box price was to help cover the cost of producing everything in the LE.
everyone keeps agruing about the boxes... Box this box that.. That is not the case.. it costs 5 bucks at game stop to preorder AND get a beta code for AION... 5 stinkin lousy dollars.. 5 bucks to try the game, help test and blah blah, decide its not what you wanted? go back to gamestop and get your money back... This is about paying full + price for an unfinished product that you have no idea what will be in the final retail and its condition. Its not the same..
No one wants to admit that what they have done is gambled 75 dollars on pictures and videos.. if its something you dont like, too bad, enjoy your metal box and art..
everyone keeps agruing about the boxes... Box this box that.. That is not the case.. it costs 5 bucks at game stop to preorder AND get a beta code for AION... 5 stinkin lousy dollars.. 5 bucks to try the game, help test and blah blah, decide its not what you wanted? go back to gamestop and get your money back... This is about paying full + price for an unfinished product that you have no idea what will be in the final retail and its condition. Its not the same.. No one wants to admit that what they have done is gambled 75 dollars on pictures and videos.. if its something you dont like, too bad, enjoy your metal box and art..
Everytime I go out and buy a game for my 360 for 55-60 dollars I take a gamble.
Any PC game I buy is a gamble.
Any game I buy is a gamble.
Same goes for just about everything I spend money on.
Hell, buying a pair of jeans is a gamble, and this one is turning out to be the gamble with the lowest odds. It seems like one out of every half dozen pair I buy I like one.
NCsoft isn't a small company producing thier first game and in need of revenue to continue funding. NCsoft already released Aion some time ago and doesn't need to charge the full price of the game, nor do they need to beta test the game. They need to beta test the localization wich is why they keep using the beta for marketting. The game was already released and patched of most bugs.
I spent 55 (?) on WoTLK.
I played it for a whopping 5 min. My friends kept telling me how great it was until I broke down and finally baught it.
Personally MO only needs to have better combat then Darkfall online. Frankly I got more value out of my 5 min of WoTLK and didn't really mind paying the money, DFO on the other hand...
everyone keeps agruing about the boxes... Box this box that.. That is not the case.. it costs 5 bucks at game stop to preorder AND get a beta code for AION... 5 stinkin lousy dollars.. 5 bucks to try the game, help test and blah blah, decide its not what you wanted? go back to gamestop and get your money back... This is about paying full + price for an unfinished product that you have no idea what will be in the final retail and its condition. Its not the same.. No one wants to admit that what they have done is gambled 75 dollars on pictures and videos.. if its something you dont like, too bad, enjoy your metal box and art..
Everytime I go out and buy a game for my 360 for 55-60 dollars I take a gamble.
Any PC game I buy is a gamble.
Any game I buy is a gamble.
There is something called a free demo.. Most if not all games have them, 360, PC etc.. Check out fileplanet sometime for the latest demo's, or even STEAM.. XBox live has em. This game is a true gamble..
everyone keeps agruing about the boxes... Box this box that.. That is not the case.. it costs 5 bucks at game stop to preorder AND get a beta code for AION... 5 stinkin lousy dollars.. 5 bucks to try the game, help test and blah blah, decide its not what you wanted? go back to gamestop and get your money back... This is about paying full + price for an unfinished product that you have no idea what will be in the final retail and its condition. Its not the same.. No one wants to admit that what they have done is gambled 75 dollars on pictures and videos.. if its something you dont like, too bad, enjoy your metal box and art..
Everytime I go out and buy a game for my 360 for 55-60 dollars I take a gamble.
Any PC game I buy is a gamble.
Any game I buy is a gamble.
There is something called a free demo.. Most if not all games have them, 360, PC etc.. Check out fileplanet sometime for the latest demo's, or even STEAM.. XBox live has em. This game is a true gamble..
LOL you do know that there is no such thing as a "free demo" in the MMO genre don`t you? There is rarely even a trial right after release....most of the time you have to wait for at least six months. xbox360 and single player pc games are not really in the same boat...
Oh and btw...you know what a movie trailer is? They all look good but easily half of them turn out to be crap. same goes for game demos. Mostly you see the best parts of the game and when you buy it it turns out to be a hollow shell and they lured you in.
I wish people would read... 50 bucks for a digital download of the game, which is normal pricing for an MMO. The inflated prices are for special offers, so if you want to shell out extra money for extra stuff, go for it. Just wait for the game to come out offically and buy the 50 buck version. Sheesh.
Why? It's much more fun to run around like a headless chicken, screaming "F*** YOU MO!", at the first sight of something you dislike. It's pretty funny.
Though the OP was a bit more creative by using Nobama. Good job!
Originally posted by Scoorge Oh and btw...you know what a movie trailer is? They all look good but easily half of them turn out to be crap. same goes for game demos. Mostly you see the best parts of the game and when you buy it it turns out to be a hollow shell and they lured you in.
I often watch the previews just because they are so fantastic, even if I never want to play the game.
Never buy a game for the previews, considering most people claim "good gameplay is why I play" then there is no way you can tell how you will like it till you buy it... or wait for it to be free for a week.
Well... I think I have given up on MO for now... No way I am going to buy any game for that much....
/sarcasm on Time to go to my messiah and lord Barack Hussein Obama and ask him for a bailout... Please help me my savior and lord, I will worship you always for some money for MO!
/sarcasm off
Seriously though, this is an insane price...
i got mine for 98 bucks thats shipping and full loot bag. so idk where u got 115 from???
The fact that a bunch of you people are actually paying this insane amount for a beta is laughable. You are the reason companies keep pulling bs like this, and it'll never end while there are still chumps ready to lay their money down on nothing.
I thought I was dumb for putting 5 dollars down to preorder war to beta test, but this takes the cake...
A fool and his money are easily parted, seems like a true statement here.
Beta access to anticipated games is a hot commodity these days. The people at Mortal Online seem to realize this and are taking advantage of it. The fact that people are complaining that some versions get in to beta earlier than others only demonstrates the premium people place on early access.
The fact that the Limited edition sold out only shows that Mortal Online was correct in judging the demand. From a finanical point of view, they are making a very intelligent move; one likely to be copied by many other companies in the future.
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The fact that a bunch of you people are actually paying this insane amount for a beta is laughable. You are the reason companies keep pulling bs like this, and it'll never end while there are still chumps ready to lay their money down on nothing.
I thought I was dumb for putting 5 dollars down to preorder war to beta test, but this takes the cake...
A fool and his money are easily parted, seems like a true statement here.
Beta access to anticipated games is a hot commodity these days. The people at Mortal Online seem to realize this and are taking advantage of it. The fact that people are complaining that some versions get in to beta earlier than others only demonstrates the premium people place on early access.
The fact that the Limited edition sold out only shows that Mortal Online was correct in judging the demand. From a finanical point of view, they are making a very intelligent move; one likely to be copied by many other companies in the future.
Thats right.. exploit them... the same way banks did to those poor folks in the housing buisness (off topic I know but makes sense in this situation)
eventually business practices like this will only topple themselves and bring the rest of the industry down with em..
Soon, one of these companies are going to take a chance and increase the 15 bucks to 20 bucks a month for P2P games and lets see the public reception.
Remember when it costed 10 bucks a month to play a game and beta's were free? seems like so long ago doesn't it?
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Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product.
This is sounds Sneaky like its not finished.
Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product.
This is sounds Sneaky like its not finished.
Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product.
This is sounds Sneaky like its not finished.
Id software released a game that was less than 1.44MB big as shareware. It was a single player game, no server overhead, no engine licensing fees and this was more than a decade ago, things have changed, horrible analogy.
Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product.
This is sounds Sneaky like its not finished.
Id software released a game that was less than 1.44MB big as shareware. It was a single player game, no server overhead, no engine licensing fees and this was more than a decade ago, things have changed, horrible analogy.
analogy, fecalogy...
Bottom line is that they are charging people full price to help test and fix their game which is luda.. There are plenty of volunteers that would donate their time and effort to finding bugs and etc.. But asking people to PAY to do that is absurd..
Edit: Would you ask a volunteer fire fighter to pay you 75 bucks before putting out a fire in your house? Its his job and he wants to help you, but you charge him anyway?
Dont give me the small company bid. ID software was a very small company and release a game breaking revolutionary product for free via shareware. Anyone remember shareware? Now if you give people like the first few levels and then if they want more pay and sign up well then my friend that means you really believe in your product.
This is sounds Sneaky like its not finished.
Id software released a game that was less than 1.44MB big as shareware. It was a single player game, no server overhead, no engine licensing fees and this was more than a decade ago, things have changed, horrible analogy.
analogy, fecalogy...
Bottom line is that they are charging people full price to help test and fix their game which is luda.. There are plenty of volunteers that would donate their time and effort to finding bugs and etc.. But asking people to PAY to do that is absurd..
Edit: Would you ask a volunteer fire fighter to pay you 75 bucks before putting out a fire in your house? Its his job and he wants to help you, but you charge him anyway?
You pay for the house without fire damage. Like you pay for the 'completish' game at LAUNCH by pre ordering now. Playing the beta when the game is in an unfinsihed state is just a bonus.
In your analogy that would come down to getting to ride along on the fire truck and having the opportunity to do some fire extinguishing yourself!
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Ok here's a couple of things to ponder. SV is an indie company that has a niche market and therefore don't have a sweatshop in China somwhere who will box and ship their games at a huge discount, i.e. EA, Blizz. The boxes are all Metal Embossed boxes and hince even the reg. version would be considered an LE for most games.
Lets look at how much more you are really paying for a boxed version compared to an xbox360 game at a store. Xbox 360 game will cost you 60$ US at any store i have been to unless it's used. Boxed version for MO was 75$ US and that included shipping and a metal emossed box. Shipping was around 7-10$, so in reality you are only paying 5-8$ more than a 360 game. I mean hell look at the LE edition of Halo2, it was like 115$ to buy and i got my LE for 98$.
All i am saying is it's not really that expensive when you look at the details. Either you think it's worth it to buy and get into beta or you don't and you get the DD which is going to be cheaper than DF.
This thread cracks me up, mostly since the title is way off, only thing he got right was 75$ for normal boxed. It's 98$ for LE retard and 14.25$ a month and it's called loot bag version.
Either way, buy it or don't, that's your decision but i'll be in game on Mon. enjoying myself. I mean seriously complaining about the price, i spend that much on pointless shit like drinking and dinner all the fucking time. At least after purchasing this i won't have a massive hangover the next morning.
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
So your saying for them to run the same encryption program on the software to burn and then just make 1million copies of it like you would on a normal DVD makes it alot more expensive? Or are you saying that the disk itself is actually different that Microsoft invented a new type of DVD (couldnt be called dvd since there is a patent on this) ?
Xbox 360 games use a XDVDFS image and are encrypted but the DVD is no different than your regular DVD the difference is they will burn it with an encrypted image which can only be read with the samsung 616T/F firmware, it does not cost them a penny more to produce a million xbox dvd's besides just being plain greedy and asking for more money.
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
So your saying for them to run the same encryption program on the software to burn and then just make 1million copies of it like you would on a normal DVD makes it alot more expensive? Or are you saying that the disk itself is actually different that Microsoft invented a new type of DVD (couldnt be called dvd since there is a patent on this) ?
The dvd the xbox 360 uses is a dual-layer dvd (used with xbox 360 so it can read to play the games) The ps3 uses blu-ray
I am talking about the dvd itself, not the encryption software it uses.
Normal DVDs are cheaper than the dual-layer and the blu-ray, making the game a cheaper price.
This is NOT a Xbox 360 game... computer games are ALWAYS $10 cheaper than the xbox 360...
PC = $49.99
Xbox 360 = $59.99
Don't try and compare the two as computer games in general are easier to distribute because they are not on encoded dvds / blu-ray like consoles... it cost them more money to make the disk...
Care to elaborate why does it cost more to make a DVD/Blue-ray for consoles rather than for the PC, as a game developer I am actually quite intrigued? The only valid point would be the PSP since Sony does not authorize anyone except them to create the MDs and theya re quite expensive but we are not talking about PSP so please care to elaborate.
Normal PC games come on regular dvds. Console games come on different types, encoded for their purposes. A Xbox 360 dvd disk cost more than a regular disk...
All I am saying is, you can't compare PC game prices with console prices as the dvd used to burn the image to the disk cost more money... So people can't say that $75 for MO is just like buying a console game thats around $60....
So your saying for them to run the same encryption program on the software to burn and then just make 1million copies of it like you would on a normal DVD makes it alot more expensive? Or are you saying that the disk itself is actually different that Microsoft invented a new type of DVD (couldnt be called dvd since there is a patent on this) ?
The dvd the xbox 360 uses is a dual-layer dvd (used with xbox 360 so it can read to play the games) The ps3 uses blu-ray
I am talking about the dvd itself, not the encryption software it uses.
Normal DVDs are cheaper than the dual-layer and the blu-ray, making the game a cheaper price.
lol do you actually know that mega-corps like Sony and Microsoft have their own DVD duplication factories? Hell Sony even produces blank DVDs themselves! They literally poop out copies and i am pretty sure it costs them almost nothing in comparison to a single 10k duplication run.
Yet their Games are still more expensive?! Hmmmm...your logic intrigues me. Maybe THEY ARE in fact overpriced!
And WTF has the content of the disc (encryption?) to do with the actual disc price?? It does not matter if you slap a movie or a game on a DVD it is both Data and the disc will always be at the same price no matter what.. Storage Size is the only factor here. L2DVDMaster.
Disc prices are beside the point anyway. Apart from the game, the biggest chunk of bucks that went into the boxed copy is the box itself; it is made in metal and probably printed with at least 4 runs through a pretty expensive printing machine. Add to that a brochure / guide, full color printed dvd(s) and you've got the picture.
My guess would be that SV payed somewhere between 12 and 20 dollars in total production cost per box. This could be on the higher side of that scale since as far as I know they only ordered up to 10k ish copies of each; do the same with, say, 300k boxes or more, like the big releases, and the price would be quite a bit lower per box since prices drop a lot with bigger orders. That is, these would be the costs without shipping and taxes.
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I imagine it cost them, possibly, twice what you think.
You're fogetting the art, the box that the box comes in, the art on that box, and everything else.
I dought they made the brochure/ guide in house, or even the layout for the box art. It's likely whoever is producing the boxes did everything, and at less then 10k copies it's going to cost a lot.
They even said themself that they aren't making that much off the boxes, and they had to sell them before the DD in order to try and recoup some of the money they put into it. I could see a 50% profit on each box, but not a 100 to 150%.
The printing part, not the stamping of the box, but the printing of the art on the cardboard box and the manual is more expensive then people realize.
Then consider everything that comes in the LE.
I imagine a portion of the regular box price was to help cover the cost of producing everything in the LE.
everyone keeps agruing about the boxes... Box this box that.. That is not the case.. it costs 5 bucks at game stop to preorder AND get a beta code for AION... 5 stinkin lousy dollars.. 5 bucks to try the game, help test and blah blah, decide its not what you wanted? go back to gamestop and get your money back... This is about paying full + price for an unfinished product that you have no idea what will be in the final retail and its condition. Its not the same..
No one wants to admit that what they have done is gambled 75 dollars on pictures and videos.. if its something you dont like, too bad, enjoy your metal box and art..
I think I'll wait a month or 2 for the 14 day free trial.
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Everytime I go out and buy a game for my 360 for 55-60 dollars I take a gamble.
Any PC game I buy is a gamble.
Any game I buy is a gamble.
Same goes for just about everything I spend money on.
Hell, buying a pair of jeans is a gamble, and this one is turning out to be the gamble with the lowest odds. It seems like one out of every half dozen pair I buy I like one.
NCsoft isn't a small company producing thier first game and in need of revenue to continue funding. NCsoft already released Aion some time ago and doesn't need to charge the full price of the game, nor do they need to beta test the game. They need to beta test the localization wich is why they keep using the beta for marketting. The game was already released and patched of most bugs.
I spent 55 (?) on WoTLK.
I played it for a whopping 5 min. My friends kept telling me how great it was until I broke down and finally baught it.
Personally MO only needs to have better combat then Darkfall online. Frankly I got more value out of my 5 min of WoTLK and didn't really mind paying the money, DFO on the other hand...
Everytime I go out and buy a game for my 360 for 55-60 dollars I take a gamble.
Any PC game I buy is a gamble.
Any game I buy is a gamble.
There is something called a free demo.. Most if not all games have them, 360, PC etc.. Check out fileplanet sometime for the latest demo's, or even STEAM.. XBox live has em. This game is a true gamble..
Everytime I go out and buy a game for my 360 for 55-60 dollars I take a gamble.
Any PC game I buy is a gamble.
Any game I buy is a gamble.
There is something called a free demo.. Most if not all games have them, 360, PC etc.. Check out fileplanet sometime for the latest demo's, or even STEAM.. XBox live has em. This game is a true gamble..
LOL you do know that there is no such thing as a "free demo" in the MMO genre don`t you? There is rarely even a trial right after release....most of the time you have to wait for at least six months. xbox360 and single player pc games are not really in the same boat...
Oh and btw...you know what a movie trailer is? They all look good but easily half of them turn out to be crap. same goes for game demos. Mostly you see the best parts of the game and when you buy it it turns out to be a hollow shell and they lured you in.
Bad analogy there m8.
I wish people would read...
50 bucks for a digital download of the game, which is normal pricing for an MMO.
The inflated prices are for special offers, so if you want to shell out extra money for extra stuff, go for it.
Just wait for the game to come out offically and buy the 50 buck version. Sheesh.
Why? It's much more fun to run around like a headless chicken, screaming "F*** YOU MO!", at the first sight of something you dislike. It's pretty funny.
Though the OP was a bit more creative by using Nobama. Good job!
I often watch the previews just because they are so fantastic, even if I never want to play the game.
Never buy a game for the previews, considering most people claim "good gameplay is why I play" then there is no way you can tell how you will like it till you buy it... or wait for it to be free for a week.
i got mine for 98 bucks thats shipping and full loot bag. so idk where u got 115 from???
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Beta access to anticipated games is a hot commodity these days. The people at Mortal Online seem to realize this and are taking advantage of it. The fact that people are complaining that some versions get in to beta earlier than others only demonstrates the premium people place on early access.
The fact that the Limited edition sold out only shows that Mortal Online was correct in judging the demand. From a finanical point of view, they are making a very intelligent move; one likely to be copied by many other companies in the future.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
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Beta access to anticipated games is a hot commodity these days. The people at Mortal Online seem to realize this and are taking advantage of it. The fact that people are complaining that some versions get in to beta earlier than others only demonstrates the premium people place on early access.
The fact that the Limited edition sold out only shows that Mortal Online was correct in judging the demand. From a finanical point of view, they are making a very intelligent move; one likely to be copied by many other companies in the future.
Thats right.. exploit them... the same way banks did to those poor folks in the housing buisness (off topic I know but makes sense in this situation)
eventually business practices like this will only topple themselves and bring the rest of the industry down with em..
Soon, one of these companies are going to take a chance and increase the 15 bucks to 20 bucks a month for P2P games and lets see the public reception.
Remember when it costed 10 bucks a month to play a game and beta's were free? seems like so long ago doesn't it?