My brother in-law is a food critic. He orders a full meal; entree, 1st & 2nd course, dessert. At least 1 of the courses is a chef's special. It doesn't mean he'll eat the whole thing, but he'll definitely try'm. If a restaurant claims to have exquisite lasagna he'll order it. If Darkfall claims to be mainly a PvP game & takes pride in their siege system, naval or mounted combat, player city building or whatever, how can you review this game without trying & writing about these. Keep in mind, these features are daily routines for darkfall players or something that you'll try at least once. No1 is asking him to try the impossible & to single handedly destroy a city. Again, I'm not saying that the fries were good & the soda was cold. He's right about that. But he didn't try the lasagna & the ravioli & the tiramisu, which they pride themselves in serving. And then it's the other thing that not everybody likes italian. I, myself, am not feeling it much lately.
Your brother-in-law is doing it wrong, sorry.
Ordering that much for one person is an immediate tip-off that the customer is a critic ( unless they weight 400 lbs. ) and the staff is trained to contact the manager immediately when that type of an order comes in.
He might as well have yelled at the door "Yoo hooo! I'm a food critic, treat me special".
The best and most honest reviews come from smart food critics that know how to not draw attention to themselves with abnormal behavior. Going back for a second visit or taking a group and trying some of everyone's meal is the usual tactic that a saavy food critic will use.
Neways, it doesn't even matter. I'm defending a game I'm not even playing atm. I correct myself. I'm not defending the game. I'm simply saying that this review seems incomplete. Not saying it should be 8/10 or 2/10. I don't care about the result. I wanted to read from this guy that: I was in a siege & it sucked ass, because such & such. I tried some mounted combat & it was stupid, because such & such. I had the misfortune of getting aboard a ship. I started singing: I'm on a boat, I'm on a boat, take a good hard look at the motherF..ing boat, but then we drowned for no reason.
Just wanted him to write about these things & then I think; he knows what he's talking about, cuz he did it. A partial review is unfair to any game & player out there.
Then the reviewer should do his job by joining a guild, going to some sieges, farming to buy his own stupid house, farm to buy a siege engine & burn his house or someone else's to the ground to experience how it feels, farm to buy a boat, navigate it & shoot with canons, etc. That's what it takes to write a full impartial review. Put in the time & try hard to experience the main features. If you're anti-social, don't feel like joining a guild, don't feel like farming much, then you ask the devs. When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was.
You are wrong sir, and this is undisputable. One purpose of a review is to determine a game's playability. If the game sucks as bad as Darkfall, it will not take too long to discover this, and there is no need to play further if the game is not holding the reviewer's interest. If you went into a job interview, and demonstrated you were some kind of jerk off, the interviewer would see no reason to continue the interview and just tell you that they will contact you if they are ineterested later.
In other words, do you like the taste of turds? If you have never tried one, then go and drop a duece. Once you have done that taste it. But just getting a tad on your finger and trying it is not enough. You must eat the entire turd to really get a feel fo the texture, consistency, and taste in order to really give a propper review on it.
FYI I guess if you wanted to be impartial, stand behind someone else when they drop one with a catching device.
My brother in-law is a food critic. He orders a full meal; entree, 1st & 2nd course, dessert. At least 1 of the courses is a chef's special. It doesn't mean he'll eat the whole thing, but he'll definitely try'm. If a restaurant claims to have exquisite lasagna he'll order it. If Darkfall claims to be mainly a PvP game & takes pride in their siege system, naval or mounted combat, player city building or whatever, how can you review this game without trying & writing about these. Keep in mind, these features are daily routines for darkfall players or something that you'll try at least once. No1 is asking him to try the impossible & to single handedly destroy a city. Again, I'm not saying that the fries were good & the soda was cold. He's right about that. But he didn't try the lasagna & the ravioli & the tiramisu, which they pride themselves in serving. And then it's the other thing that not everybody likes italian. I, myself, am not feeling it much lately.
Your brother-in-law is doing it wrong, sorry.
Ordering that much for one person is an immediate tip-off that the customer is a critic ( unless they weight 400 lbs. ) and the staff is trained to contact the manager immediately when that type of an order comes in.
He might as well have yelled at the door "Yoo hooo! I'm a food critic, treat me special".
The best and most honest reviews come from smart food critics that know how to not draw attention to themselves with abnormal behavior. Going back for a second visit or taking a group and trying some of everyone's meal is the usual tactic that a saavy food critic will use.
Just an FYI........
He never goes alone. I don't think there's any1 that sits alone in a restaurant to enjoy food anymore, if there ever was any.
Then the reviewer should do his job by joining a guild, going to some sieges, farming to buy his own stupid house, farm to buy a siege engine & burn his house or someone else's to the ground to experience how it feels, farm to buy a boat, navigate it & shoot with canons, etc. That's what it takes to write a full impartial review. Put in the time & try hard to experience the main features. If you're anti-social, don't feel like joining a guild, don't feel like farming much, then you ask the devs. When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was.
You are wrong sir, and this is undisputable. One purpose of a review is to determine a game's playability. If the game sucks as bad as Darkfall, it will not take too long to discover this, and there is no need to play further if the game is not holding the reviewer's interest. If you went into a job interview, and demonstrated you were some kind of jerk off, the interviewer would see no reason to continue the interview and just tell you that they will contact you if they are ineterested later.
In other words, do you like the taste of turds? If you have never tried one, then go and drop a duece. Once you have done that taste it. But just getting a tad on your finger and trying it is not enough. You must eat the entire turd to really get a feel fo the texture, consistency, and taste in order to really give a propper review on it.
FYI I guess if you wanted to be impartial, stand behind someone else when they drop one with a catching device.
Wish I hadn't read this post before dinner...NASTY...
Then the reviewer should do his job by joining a guild, going to some sieges, farming to buy his own stupid house, farm to buy a siege engine & burn his house or someone else's to the ground to experience how it feels, farm to buy a boat, navigate it & shoot with canons, etc. That's what it takes to write a full impartial review. Put in the time & try hard to experience the main features. If you're anti-social, don't feel like joining a guild, don't feel like farming much, then you ask the devs. When a critic goes to a restaurant he goes to order a full meal, the chef's specials included. He doesn't go in, order fries & a soda & then write about how shitty those fries were & how warm the drink was.
Go through and read every other MMO review here on MMORPG.COM. Do they cover the stuff you are mentioning?
I'll make it even easier for you as I made a table that shows the score and what MMOs have been reviewed here...
Now after you have read every review (just the first original review... not the re-reviews) come back and tell us the percentage of those reviews that have the sort of stuff you are suggesting being covered for DarkFall.
For example:
In the EvE review does the reviewer give examples of space battles with Capital ships?
In the EQ review does the reviewer give examples of taking down Lady Vox?
In the LoTRO review does the reviwer give examples of the group content in Book 8?
The point is that all MMO first reviews are of the basic content. Later... if the MMO is around in a few years... it may be deserving of a re-review. At that time, the more advanced content is usually given a more thorough covering, as it is assumed the majority of the gaming populace will be experiencing that content then.
Anyway... if your research of all the other reviews does in fact point to me being wrong and you being correct... by all means come back and let me know. I'll check back from time to time in this thread. Good Luck.
The more this imortalis rants about this review the more I am thinking they work for AV or something. Some of this persons responses make no sense what so ever. Like that food critic thing. Weird.
My brother in-law is a food critic. He orders a full meal; entree, 1st & 2nd course, dessert. At least 1 of the courses is a chef's special. It doesn't mean he'll eat the whole thing, but he'll definitely try'm. If a restaurant claims to have exquisite lasagna he'll order it. If Darkfall claims to be mainly a PvP game & takes pride in their siege system, naval or mounted combat, player city building or whatever, how can you review this game without trying & writing about these. Keep in mind, these features are daily routines for darkfall players or something that you'll try at least once. No1 is asking him to try the impossible & to single handedly destroy a city. Again, I'm not saying that the fries were good & the soda was cold. He's right about that. But he didn't try the lasagna & the ravioli & the tiramisu, which they pride themselves in serving. And then it's the other thing that not everybody likes italian. I, myself, am not feeling it much lately.
so he is gonna order all 8 entrees on a menu and eat em?
If i buy a game do i need to try ALL the "entrees" before i can review it?
I been playing eve for 8 months, i know i havent experienced everything yet, but i could make a review and tell you i love it.....
I played other games for 5 months, i know also i havent tried everything, but i could make a review and tell you i hate it.
So if i hate it after 5 months...what would POSSIBLY make me think i am going to like it at higher levels/later in the game. If a game cannot attract you within the first few days, then the game is just going to be boring and dull up to the later levels.
I know games which start of awesome but then die off later on *AoC will be my example there*, yet i have never played a game which started off bad and got better at later stages....
And i severely doubt your brother in law is a food critic, i love how people all of a sudden know (or are) critics, programmers, devs, etc at the most opportune moments.
Ummm...he spoke the lingo well enough that I think that he's telling the truth. And I've got both a Culinary degree and industry experience to base my opinion on...
please i could have saidthe same answer as him, does watching the food network make me an expert too?
Ummm...he spoke the lingo well enough that I think that he's telling the truth. And I've got both a Culinary degree and industry experience to base my opinion on...
please i could have saidthe same answer as him, does watching the food network make me an expert too?
If you watch Alton Brown's show "Good Eats" you could learn a lot about the science and preparation of many foods, I highly recommend his show.
But as far as becoming an "expert", you might specialize in just one food ( chili cooks are famous for this ) and just self learn and practice and actually become an "expert" in that one food.
But that's pretty shallow in my book, I'm glad that I sunk the money and time into school after my initial retirement.
Being a good Chef is a lot harder than people think.
He mentions that it takes an inordinate amount of time to do pretty much anything - like ships/sieges. So even if they are cool (which they are not), they are a hardcore and thus niche feature. Besides, who cares if the boats are cool if the actual combat system which is the bulk of the game is clunky and unpolished?
i said nothing about being a good chef, nor was my post anything about being a good chef......my post was in regards to critiquing and reviewing something
The back and forth with the food critic analogies and all is pretty entertaining...
That said...
Did anyone really expect any other reaction than this?
MMORPG gave the game a less than glowing review.
So, predictably, the DF faithful must now find some angle to nit-pick it apart, finding anything they can to discredit the reviewer and the review. Didn't play it enough, didn't do enough, blah blah blah.. If the guy played 300 hours, did everything from PvE to PvP to sieging to politics, etc and they gave it a bad score, it wouldn't make a difference. Guaranteed someone would say something along the lines of "well they obviously didn't like the game so there was no point in them playing as long as they did, because the reviewer was obviously biased against it".
Guaranteed, and I would wager a month's pay on this, if the review came back with an 8 or better score, those same people would be praising the review as accurate and valid and none of the "issues" they're bringing up would even be given a moment's thought, much less discussion.
There are absolutely *zero* circumstances under which certain people around here would ever accept anything but a mostly positive review of DF. They know it. We know it. I'm sure the mmorpg.com staff know it. This is just more of the same from the usual suspects.
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i said nothing about being a good chef, nor was my post anything about being a good chef......my post was in regards to critiquing and reviewing something stop making things up
Sorry, I was just trying to be helpful and give you a more complete answer.
But I didn't realize that you're a jerk, so welcome to ignore.
Maybe because Vanguard was when it launched. I played Vanguard at launch and I happen to get a chance to play DFO a few times on a friends account and vanguard was way more finished and polished compared to DFO. So don't even go there.
Actually, I already went there.
I know how VG was at launch, my point (too subtle I guess) is that there are a few things that people will take as the truth, despite not seeing themselves, and one of those things is that VG was literally unplayable at launch. I know because after doing a Vanguard podcast for a year I heard those people, over and over, even after VG was chugging along just fine: "You mean you can actually PLAY VG?"
In other words, by saying that (the comment about VG) he could have sparked off more "controversy" than anything else he said.
And there is a difference between "polished" and "working." Vanguard STILL has probably more bugs than most games out there. Doesn't mean it's bad, and doesn't mean that it's unplayable (in fact ,the opposite) that just means that it has more than most.
Beau
That is unfair comparison. VG delivered a game with lots of things inside, from NPCs to quests, all coded and processed on the server side. DF delivers an empty shell with nothing but barren artwork, and lots of lazy codes delegated to client side processing.
Pretty much you are saying, someone delivers a shuttle to the moon and it has issues launching. You build a riding pony out of a broomstick and you feel proud you have the same delay issues launching your riding pony.
"Darkfall is a game that seems to fall short on just about everything it has" Yet it gets a 6.0? To me, a game that falls short in everything it has is an utter failure as a game. And potential doesn't count. An mmo has to have it at launch, not the potential of being good 1-2 years after launch. I'm long gone after that. Either the score is too high or this is a poor choice of words to sum up the game. Either way, I won't be playing it.
That depends on the basis of comparison.
DF falls very short, b/c the developer start with a wishlist of features that simply is not possibly to implement currently. If it falls short, its very acceptable. The real problem with DF lies in some areas, where it actually delivers much less than any current MMO at similar budget level (12million bucks).
If you look at the game alone, yes it is playable, meaning you can log in and the keys you pressed are responded by the game. The goodness begins to wane as you look beyond, from game design (hacks) to gameplay (endless afk macroing) to community (you know it), to producer honesty and integrity (Tasos ftw) to business practice (double triple charging, and so much billing issues it got to the top of the blacklist for credit card companies within a month of launch, you need to be a major mafia to achieve that, given the huge number of scammers gaining the attention of the credit card companies).
If you do look beyond just what you see on the screen, this game falls apart. A game is the total package of enjoyment. If you see your boat hijacked by hackers and flew away, you will not be able just to focus on the stillshots on your PC as you macro afk day on day off, waiting for the months-long skill grinding to get you anywhere.
No mention of sieging? Way to miss the main game feature there bud.
And was this before or after the expansion, because there is no mention of housing
EDIT: to above post, there are problems with darkfall but the hack problem is WAY overblown, please play the game before you talk. Though if you are referring to macro's yeah that's a a big problem, though if you want to keep up and you are a casual player, you will be doing it too.
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Damn, reading some of these beginning posts really makes me see why I havent been on here in a while. Sorry guys.
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Your brother-in-law is doing it wrong, sorry.
Ordering that much for one person is an immediate tip-off that the customer is a critic ( unless they weight 400 lbs. ) and the staff is trained to contact the manager immediately when that type of an order comes in.
He might as well have yelled at the door "Yoo hooo! I'm a food critic, treat me special".
The best and most honest reviews come from smart food critics that know how to not draw attention to themselves with abnormal behavior. Going back for a second visit or taking a group and trying some of everyone's meal is the usual tactic that a saavy food critic will use.
Just an FYI........
Neways, it doesn't even matter. I'm defending a game I'm not even playing atm. I correct myself. I'm not defending the game. I'm simply saying that this review seems incomplete. Not saying it should be 8/10 or 2/10. I don't care about the result. I wanted to read from this guy that: I was in a siege & it sucked ass, because such & such. I tried some mounted combat & it was stupid, because such & such. I had the misfortune of getting aboard a ship. I started singing: I'm on a boat, I'm on a boat, take a good hard look at the motherF..ing boat, but then we drowned for no reason.
Just wanted him to write about these things & then I think; he knows what he's talking about, cuz he did it. A partial review is unfair to any game & player out there.
And sorry to be hijacking the thread, I know that this isn't the food channel....
You are wrong sir, and this is undisputable. One purpose of a review is to determine a game's playability. If the game sucks as bad as Darkfall, it will not take too long to discover this, and there is no need to play further if the game is not holding the reviewer's interest. If you went into a job interview, and demonstrated you were some kind of jerk off, the interviewer would see no reason to continue the interview and just tell you that they will contact you if they are ineterested later.
In other words, do you like the taste of turds? If you have never tried one, then go and drop a duece. Once you have done that taste it. But just getting a tad on your finger and trying it is not enough. You must eat the entire turd to really get a feel fo the texture, consistency, and taste in order to really give a propper review on it.
FYI I guess if you wanted to be impartial, stand behind someone else when they drop one with a catching device.
Your brother-in-law is doing it wrong, sorry.
Ordering that much for one person is an immediate tip-off that the customer is a critic ( unless they weight 400 lbs. ) and the staff is trained to contact the manager immediately when that type of an order comes in.
He might as well have yelled at the door "Yoo hooo! I'm a food critic, treat me special".
The best and most honest reviews come from smart food critics that know how to not draw attention to themselves with abnormal behavior. Going back for a second visit or taking a group and trying some of everyone's meal is the usual tactic that a saavy food critic will use.
Just an FYI........
He never goes alone. I don't think there's any1 that sits alone in a restaurant to enjoy food anymore, if there ever was any.
You are wrong sir, and this is undisputable. One purpose of a review is to determine a game's playability. If the game sucks as bad as Darkfall, it will not take too long to discover this, and there is no need to play further if the game is not holding the reviewer's interest. If you went into a job interview, and demonstrated you were some kind of jerk off, the interviewer would see no reason to continue the interview and just tell you that they will contact you if they are ineterested later.
In other words, do you like the taste of turds? If you have never tried one, then go and drop a duece. Once you have done that taste it. But just getting a tad on your finger and trying it is not enough. You must eat the entire turd to really get a feel fo the texture, consistency, and taste in order to really give a propper review on it.
FYI I guess if you wanted to be impartial, stand behind someone else when they drop one with a catching device.
Wish I hadn't read this post before dinner...NASTY...
"He never goes alone. I don't think there's any1 that sits alone in a restaurant to enjoy food anymore, if there ever was any."
Only those 400 pounders that I mentioned.......
He never goes alone. I don't think there's any1 that sits alone in a restaurant to enjoy food anymore, if there ever was any.
I'm beginning to wonder if you ever leave your basement. Plenty of people go out and enjoy dinner alone.
Back to topic:
Review was spot on with a "D".....
Go through and read every other MMO review here on MMORPG.COM. Do they cover the stuff you are mentioning?
I'll make it even easier for you as I made a table that shows the score and what MMOs have been reviewed here...
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2983158#2983158
Now after you have read every review (just the first original review... not the re-reviews) come back and tell us the percentage of those reviews that have the sort of stuff you are suggesting being covered for DarkFall.
For example:
In the EvE review does the reviewer give examples of space battles with Capital ships?
In the EQ review does the reviewer give examples of taking down Lady Vox?
In the LoTRO review does the reviwer give examples of the group content in Book 8?
The point is that all MMO first reviews are of the basic content. Later... if the MMO is around in a few years... it may be deserving of a re-review. At that time, the more advanced content is usually given a more thorough covering, as it is assumed the majority of the gaming populace will be experiencing that content then.
Anyway... if your research of all the other reviews does in fact point to me being wrong and you being correct... by all means come back and let me know. I'll check back from time to time in this thread. Good Luck.
The more this imortalis rants about this review the more I am thinking they work for AV or something. Some of this persons responses make no sense what so ever. Like that food critic thing. Weird.
so he is gonna order all 8 entrees on a menu and eat em?
If i buy a game do i need to try ALL the "entrees" before i can review it?
I been playing eve for 8 months, i know i havent experienced everything yet, but i could make a review and tell you i love it.....
I played other games for 5 months, i know also i havent tried everything, but i could make a review and tell you i hate it.
So if i hate it after 5 months...what would POSSIBLY make me think i am going to like it at higher levels/later in the game. If a game cannot attract you within the first few days, then the game is just going to be boring and dull up to the later levels.
I know games which start of awesome but then die off later on *AoC will be my example there*, yet i have never played a game which started off bad and got better at later stages....
And i severely doubt your brother in law is a food critic, i love how people all of a sudden know (or are) critics, programmers, devs, etc at the most opportune moments.
Ummm...he spoke the lingo well enough that I think that he's telling the truth.
And I've got both a Culinary degree and industry experience to base my opinion on...
please i could have saidthe same answer as him, does watching the food network make me an expert too?
and way to nitpick the closing line but not the "entree" of the post lol
please i could have saidthe same answer as him, does watching the food network make me an expert too?
If you watch Alton Brown's show "Good Eats" you could learn a lot about the science and preparation of many foods, I highly recommend his show.
But as far as becoming an "expert", you might specialize in just one food ( chili cooks are famous for this ) and just self learn and practice and actually become an "expert" in that one food.
But that's pretty shallow in my book, I'm glad that I sunk the money and time into school after my initial retirement.
Being a good Chef is a lot harder than people think.
Reviewer reflects my views exactly.
He mentions that it takes an inordinate amount of time to do pretty much anything - like ships/sieges. So even if they are cool (which they are not), they are a hardcore and thus niche feature. Besides, who cares if the boats are cool if the actual combat system which is the bulk of the game is clunky and unpolished?
i said nothing about being a good chef, nor was my post anything about being a good chef......my post was in regards to critiquing and reviewing something
stop making things up
The back and forth with the food critic analogies and all is pretty entertaining...
That said...
Did anyone really expect any other reaction than this?
MMORPG gave the game a less than glowing review.
So, predictably, the DF faithful must now find some angle to nit-pick it apart, finding anything they can to discredit the reviewer and the review. Didn't play it enough, didn't do enough, blah blah blah.. If the guy played 300 hours, did everything from PvE to PvP to sieging to politics, etc and they gave it a bad score, it wouldn't make a difference. Guaranteed someone would say something along the lines of "well they obviously didn't like the game so there was no point in them playing as long as they did, because the reviewer was obviously biased against it".
Guaranteed, and I would wager a month's pay on this, if the review came back with an 8 or better score, those same people would be praising the review as accurate and valid and none of the "issues" they're bringing up would even be given a moment's thought, much less discussion.
There are absolutely *zero* circumstances under which certain people around here would ever accept anything but a mostly positive review of DF. They know it. We know it. I'm sure the mmorpg.com staff know it. This is just more of the same from the usual suspects.
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Sorry, I was just trying to be helpful and give you a more complete answer.
But I didn't realize that you're a jerk, so welcome to ignore.
wow...someone missed their bedtime lol
Darkfall is on the way up!!!
lols 2--> 4--> and now a 6 maybe soon this game will truly convince us all of its merits and we will all be playing this obviously 10 game!
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Maybe because Vanguard was when it launched. I played Vanguard at launch and I happen to get a chance to play DFO a few times on a friends account and vanguard was way more finished and polished compared to DFO. So don't even go there.
Actually, I already went there.
I know how VG was at launch, my point (too subtle I guess) is that there are a few things that people will take as the truth, despite not seeing themselves, and one of those things is that VG was literally unplayable at launch. I know because after doing a Vanguard podcast for a year I heard those people, over and over, even after VG was chugging along just fine: "You mean you can actually PLAY VG?"
In other words, by saying that (the comment about VG) he could have sparked off more "controversy" than anything else he said.
And there is a difference between "polished" and "working." Vanguard STILL has probably more bugs than most games out there. Doesn't mean it's bad, and doesn't mean that it's unplayable (in fact ,the opposite) that just means that it has more than most.
Beau
That is unfair comparison. VG delivered a game with lots of things inside, from NPCs to quests, all coded and processed on the server side. DF delivers an empty shell with nothing but barren artwork, and lots of lazy codes delegated to client side processing.
Pretty much you are saying, someone delivers a shuttle to the moon and it has issues launching. You build a riding pony out of a broomstick and you feel proud you have the same delay issues launching your riding pony.
That depends on the basis of comparison.
DF falls very short, b/c the developer start with a wishlist of features that simply is not possibly to implement currently. If it falls short, its very acceptable. The real problem with DF lies in some areas, where it actually delivers much less than any current MMO at similar budget level (12million bucks).
If you look at the game alone, yes it is playable, meaning you can log in and the keys you pressed are responded by the game. The goodness begins to wane as you look beyond, from game design (hacks) to gameplay (endless afk macroing) to community (you know it), to producer honesty and integrity (Tasos ftw) to business practice (double triple charging, and so much billing issues it got to the top of the blacklist for credit card companies within a month of launch, you need to be a major mafia to achieve that, given the huge number of scammers gaining the attention of the credit card companies).
If you do look beyond just what you see on the screen, this game falls apart. A game is the total package of enjoyment. If you see your boat hijacked by hackers and flew away, you will not be able just to focus on the stillshots on your PC as you macro afk day on day off, waiting for the months-long skill grinding to get you anywhere.
No mention of sieging? Way to miss the main game feature there bud.
And was this before or after the expansion, because there is no mention of housing
EDIT: to above post, there are problems with darkfall but the hack problem is WAY overblown, please play the game before you talk. Though if you are referring to macro's yeah that's a a big problem, though if you want to keep up and you are a casual player, you will be doing it too.
When I'm energetic I'm:
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When I'm at default I'm:
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