I think this game is not for the new MMORPG generation. Or for people like me, that like good graphics and animations in games.
Now I play AoC and maybe it's not the best game, but it sure have one of the best looking animations and graphics. And that makes me forget about bugs etc hehe.
Looking at this game, makes me think back 20 years or so. SWG look better then this one.
But hey it's not all about the looks...
Anyway enjoy the game!
Played: From Earth & Beyond, Anarchy Online, Matrix Online, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa (Beta), EvE Online, City of Villians, Atlantica Online, Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Pirates of the Burning Sea, PlanetSide, RF Online, Second Life, Fallen Earth.
I think this game is not for the new MMORPG generation. Or for people like me, that like good graphics and animations in games. Now I play AoC and maybe it's not the best game, but it sure have one of the best looking animations and graphics. And that makes me forget about bugs etc hehe. Looking at this game, makes me think back 20 years or so. SWG look better then this one. But hey it's not all about the looks...
Anyway enjoy the game!
Seriously, SWG looks better, sunshine its time you went to the shops and did yourself some upgrading, no doubt you will reply saying your running the Quad orgasm 5000 cpu with 30 nvidia 295,s in the pawn you configuration, but with that statemant of yours everyone will know your full of it.
The graphics are not the flashest, but with things turned on to above medium or in your case low it would appear, they are decent and do the job and seeing as I played SWG I can hand on heart fully say the above is full of manure.
I think this game is not for the new MMORPG generation. Or for people like me, that like good graphics and animations in games. Now I play AoC and maybe it's not the best game, but it sure have one of the best looking animations and graphics. And that makes me forget about bugs etc hehe. Looking at this game, makes me think back 20 years or so. SWG look better then this one. But hey it's not all about the looks...
Anyway enjoy the game!
I don't think you were alive 20 years ago.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
As someone new to these forums here to gather some information about newer games and options currently available, I feel the need to share my reaction to this thread. This is only my opinion, but I offer it up as constructive criticism.
To all of those that commented on the OP’s grammar/spelling, claim to be a veteran gamer and age as part of your response to his review, please understand that adding those things to your posts impact your credibility negatively. Many of you made shared very valid and helpful information and arguments to opinions presented in his post. However, criticizing him as a person or writer is petty and discredits your response. These are public forums for people to share their personal comments about games. I did not read his post/review with the expectation that he works for a game company or intended to write a polished article for a magazine. As a reader I am aware that he is just one person and that one person’s negative review is not enough to go by. So please post why you might disagree with his review, but leave the digs about grammar and other non-game related things out of it. He obviously got his point across well enough for you to point out where you feel he is wrong. If I care about grammar or believe him to be lacking in maturity/experience, I’m going to notice it without you pointing it out.
That said, I agree with Interesting that using the word “FAIL” in the subject line is a bit premature. When I clicked the link to read this thread I wasn’t scared away by it, but instead was hoping to learn if the poster appeared to look for similar features as I do in an MMO. Many of his comments as well as the reply posts that indicate the game hasn’t even been released did more than enough to persuade me not to put a whole lot of stock in the OP criticism.
Finally, having some negative posts about a game is nice to see, especially when posts include why the writer dislikes something. I am much more scared away by reading nothing but sunshine and roses about new games. I’ve been hoping for a Fallout type MMO and believe this is probably as going to be as close as we get for a while. I look forward to trying it out to see if it works for me.
I think this game is not for the new MMORPG generation. Or for people like me, that like good graphics and animations in games. Now I play AoC and maybe it's not the best game, but it sure have one of the best looking animations and graphics. And that makes me forget about bugs etc hehe. Looking at this game, makes me think back 20 years or so. SWG look better then this one. But hey it's not all about the looks...
Anyway enjoy the game!
I don't think you were alive 20 years ago.
He was 8 years old.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
that phrase has so many meanings it's really just not even funny.
it would be the emo fall out boy generation right ? or are we even a generation beyond that now ?
All I can think of is that ever second month or so they began talking about the old school warlocks in WoW, the old school warlocks that was something like three months old. And those was true warlocks, cheezus.
Originally posted by brenth the clothing they have baseball caps jackets shoes most pants most shirts are all OBSOLETE at level 5ish because they use a STAT CLOTHING SYSTEM and have NO costume clothing option or even any clothing toggles!!! what this means that for the first few levels you can get by wearing most any cool clothing but even as low as 1st level (15 armor skill) you start to shift to the stat clothing in this case a duster and chap armor,,, later you wear a gasmask and helmit 24/7 as there are NO toggles to remove these item graphics.. to me this takes alot away from the expirence. oh lets not forget all that charactor design you did on the face and hair is allways hidden unless you choose to not wear the protective clothing there.
I've been lurking in this and other FE forums off and on for the last few weeks. This is the first thing that's actually made me want to come out of lurking and comment.
The above quote is from the OP. Grammatical impairment aside, he brings up a very valid point. If this is a game where everyone from level A to B wears outfit C and everyone from level X to Y wears outfit Z, and there's very little if any ability to customize the outfits - then this game is a no-go for me.
You can say what you want about hardcore. I've been there since UO launch and loved AC, 10six, and EVE - all of which were hardcore games (perhaps 10six most of all). I enjoyed being able to dye my clothing in UO and customize my outfit. I enjoyed being able to customize my outfit in SWG as well. EVE didn't have much clothing customization, but that's how the game is - you're in a space ship.
I could forgive Fallen Earth if it has a gutted customization mechanic. But I can't excuse it for others. I want to get my SO into a MMORPG. I wanted to get her into a game like FE, not WoW. Something where crafting has a meaning and there's a sandbox aspect. But if sandbox means "everyone looks the same", then that's not a sandbox she's going to enjoy. And if she's not enjoying it, neither am I.
Originally posted by brenth the clothing they have baseball caps jackets shoes most pants most shirts are all OBSOLETE at level 5ish because they use a STAT CLOTHING SYSTEM and have NO costume clothing option or even any clothing toggles!!! what this means that for the first few levels you can get by wearing most any cool clothing but even as low as 1st level (15 armor skill) you start to shift to the stat clothing in this case a duster and chap armor,,, later you wear a gasmask and helmit 24/7 as there are NO toggles to remove these item graphics.. to me this takes alot away from the expirence. oh lets not forget all that charactor design you did on the face and hair is allways hidden unless you choose to not wear the protective clothing there.
I've been lurking in this and other FE forums off and on for the last few weeks. This is the first thing that's actually made me want to come out of lurking and comment.
The above quote is from the OP. Grammatical impairment aside, he brings up a very valid point. If this is a game where everyone from level A to B wears outfit C and everyone from level X to Y wears outfit Z, and there's very little if any ability to customize the outfits - then this game is a no-go for me.
You can say what you want about hardcore. I've been there since UO launch and loved AC, 10six, and EVE - all of which were hardcore games (perhaps 10six most of all). I enjoyed being able to dye my clothing in UO and customize my outfit. I enjoyed being able to customize my outfit in SWG as well. EVE didn't have much clothing customization, but that's how the game is - you're in a space ship.
I could forgive Fallen Earth if it has a gutted customization mechanic. But I can't excuse it for others. I want to get my SO into a MMORPG. I wanted to get her into a game like FE, not WoW. Something where crafting has a meaning and there's a sandbox aspect. But if sandbox means "everyone looks the same", then that's not a sandbox she's going to enjoy. And if she's not enjoying it, neither am I.
Except, he misses the entire point that if you want to wear more defensive armors, you have to spend points to do so. Meaning, it is your choice to wear those other armors, or stick with cloth.
Your choice, and, those points can go somewhere else if you choose.
Also, all hair has 3 different ways to ware them, and so do jackets, you can have them open/ziped/or partial zip and you can craft any color you want.
This is not Wow where the armors are invalidated because you gain a level, it is 100% tied to your selections in skill points and what it is you want to do with your toon. And yes, there are good reasons NOT to wear heavy armor, it is not the case that it is simply better.
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Except, he misses the entire point that if you want to wear more defensive armors, you have to spend points to do so. Meaning, it is your choice to wear those other armors, or stick with cloth.
Your choice, and, those points can go somewhere else if you choose. Also, all hair has 3 different ways to ware them, and so do jackets, you can have them open/ziped/or partial zip and you can craft any color you want. This is not Wow where the armors are invalidated because you gain a level, it is 100% tied to your selections in skill points and what it is you want to do with your toon. And yes, there are good reasons NOT to wear heavy armor, it is not the case that it is simply better.
Forgive me, but I think you may be missing the point. In Ultima Online you had a good half dozen types of armor. Each one had its own advantages and disadvantages. Some protected you more but drained your spell casting or agility. Others were weaker but gave you better flexbility. You even had the option of mix and matching.
In ADDITION to that, you had the ability to customize your appearence. Armor that had the same same exact attributes might have 10 different colors to choose from. Aside from your armor, you had dozens of pieces of clothing that could be worn inside, outside, or partially in between your armor segments and those pieces of clothing had literally hundreds of color choices.
Ultima Online is old. Dirt old. Yet Ultima Online gave players the ability to specialize their charachter towards a particular usage of armor and THEN customize themselves to make them appear different than the 10,000 other people wearing that same "armor class".
If the biggest customization FE has is whether or not to button or unbutton a jacket and how to style your hair - this is a massive, MASSIVE leap backwards in sandbox gameplay. I would expect that kind of lack of cutomization from a theme park (you look how we tell you to look) game, not from a sandbox.
Except, he misses the entire point that if you want to wear more defensive armors, you have to spend points to do so. Meaning, it is your choice to wear those other armors, or stick with cloth.
Your choice, and, those points can go somewhere else if you choose. Also, all hair has 3 different ways to ware them, and so do jackets, you can have them open/ziped/or partial zip and you can craft any color you want. This is not Wow where the armors are invalidated because you gain a level, it is 100% tied to your selections in skill points and what it is you want to do with your toon. And yes, there are good reasons NOT to wear heavy armor, it is not the case that it is simply better.
Forgive me, but I think you may be missing the point. In Ultima Online you had a good half dozen types of armor. Each one had its own advantages and disadvantages. Some protected you more but drained your spell casting or agility. Others were weaker but gave you better flexbility. You even had the option of mix and matching.
In ADDITION to that, you had the ability to customize your appearence. Armor that had the same same exact attributes might have 10 different colors to choose from. Aside from your armor, you had dozens of pieces of clothing that could be worn inside, outside, or partially in between your armor segments and those pieces of clothing had literally hundreds of color choices.
Ultima Online is old. Dirt old. Yet Ultima Online gave players the ability to specialize their charachter towards a particular usage of armor and THEN customize themselves to make them appear different than the 10,000 other people wearing that same "armor class".
If the biggest customization FE has is whether or not to button or unbutton a jacket and how to style your hair - this is a massive, MASSIVE leap backwards in sandbox gameplay. I would expect that kind of lack of cutomization from a theme park (you look how we tell you to look) game, not from a sandbox.
You may want to play the game, then come back.
All armor and clothing can by dyed, and worn in about three different ways, And its all player crafted, as well as I think, 30 slots (yes, shirts under jackets ETC..) in your paper doll, including a different physical glove on each hand.
FE is not lacking in customization department. I didn't miss anyone's point.
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You may notice the groin slot item there, thats right in darken caves you can take part in "Glow in the dark condom cock fighting'(tm)
Or if thats just a little bit to Village people for you, try stuffing a praire chicken onto that slot, and stand around in the bank all day, with both hands on your hips, striking Heroic pose's, always a winner with the ladies, all 7 of them and horses , you will meet lots of horses in banks, its where they go to pick up.
Want something even more Macho, ok well there is always the 20 guage cod piece with pop up barrel, a must have finishng move in pvp, because nothing says 'I own you" than running up behind someone and have something spring up out of your pants and going off.
None of the above is real, apart from the horses bit, the slutty buggers.....Thread was just getting way to serious for a game. Go read a book for a week, come back and enjoy a game, any game, pick one,(oh but you cant can you your now uber cynical about everything) if not rack off again and read another book or something, anything the world is full of things you might actually enjoy.
This simple question just negates everything you've written in this thread, you've obviously done zero research about the game. go here and read.
Actually I was making a point.
BTW, you could have answered with a single word, so you're not really in a good position to criticize my posts.
Here's the progression:
If you can make clothing, can you make boots?
If boots are in the game, why can't you wade through water, regardless of how contaminated it is?
By no means is this issue a deal-breaker for me, but it does hurt immersion. I think you will see a lot of comments on this issue after release.
No you wont, because there is only like, what, 4 bodies of water in 100's of square KM of play area.
It's beyond a non issue. To the point of absurd that you even tout it as a flaw of some sort.
Hey, Mr.Bloodworth, seems like we have a similar taste... FE is my next P2P MMO since Lotro... still subscribing to latter, but not sure, how long.... depends on how FE will do in 3-4 months time. Signs are very good though!
See you ingame (maybe)
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
This simple question just negates everything you've written in this thread, you've obviously done zero research about the game. go here and read.
Actually I was making a point.
BTW, you could have answered with a single word, so you're not really in a good position to criticize my posts.
Here's the progression:
If you can make clothing, can you make boots?
If boots are in the game, why can't you wade through water, regardless of how contaminated it is?
By no means is this issue a deal-breaker for me, but it does hurt immersion. I think you will see a lot of comments on this issue after release.
you will not see alot of comments on that issue because like me it was never thought about until others pointed out. I knew you couldn't wade through water and didn't care as i saw no need to go in radiated water to kill myself until i get my DNA cloning problem taken care of. Most people will not think twice about it as you hardly come accross water anyways
Wading through the bad grammar and spelling to respond to this. First off, I'm gonna start off by saying you need to complete high school. It's quite apparent you haven't yet.
Not everyone has english as first language so this is just silly to bring up just because he offended your new pet game.
FE is severely flawed in many ways, most so due to bugs.
The game itself is "ok" enough and will enjoy me for a short time. Its not however a game i invest much energy in.
I really wanted to like FE but so many game design flaws make the game boring, where is the fun I ask?
If they would have shot for Mad Max style MMO it would have been great - Auto Assault came close but again stupid game mechanics.
Car Wars board game would be perfect starting point in my opinion for good and working ruleset on how to build vehicles and solve battles.
Most of the failed games seem to strive to make totally new game ruleset and at least avid roleplayers know that making working systems is very very hard and sometimes a perfect execution can still fail (D&D 3rd edition).
First off, English is his first language, so trying to use that as a defense is simply ignorance on your part. Besides, that part of the conversation is over and done with.
As far as the OP's comments about 'customization', he's directly contradictory to what he 'wants'. He wants to be able to be protected by heavy armor, yet be able to turn off the graphics of the armor so he can see how cool his character looks without it. This is directly contradictory to his statement about wanting a 'world' and not a 'game'. Then, of course, are the other statements in his post about wanting several other conveniences. And I refuted his arguments where he was simply incorrect in his assumptions or if the actual problem had been fixed since Beta, which is when he played. He's trying to critique a game that is released by using the Beta as his milestone.
As far as the actual customization options, there aren't really any. Yes, you can dye clothing, but only what the devs allow though premade recipes. You can't take that brown duster and add yellow highlights or the black chaps and cut the ass out of it. You're stuck with basic recipes that don't allow a high degree of customization. I think this is a shame and I would like to see this change in the future. I, like many others, like the idea of looking different than everyone else. Also is the fact that there is no variance among equipment. Everything will have the same stats regardless of who made it or what vendor you bought it off of. There's no real item decay either. That bothers me on the long term viability of the economy.
With the hair style, what is meant there is that you choose your hair in the beginning. Let's say you choose a pony tail. When you're playing, you have the option of 'letting your hair down', then having it combed, then put back into your pony tail.
The game does grab you off the start, but a lot of new games do that, whether it's flashy graphics, cool gameplay, or simply naked chicks. The question is will it still grab you in a month from now. We'll simply just have to see what the devs do in the future and with their plan of updating the game and such. If you doubt the game and it's plan, then don't buy it. There is more than enough information about the game that you should be able to make an informed decision. And if you still have questions, then feel free to ask.
this game rocks, people have there pick of games now days, but this game is more polished then WAR or WoW was at launch.
That is nonsense. This game is a turd compared to either of those... Neither had significant performance issues or bugs at launch. FE manages to both look and run like shit somehow, and I have top end machine. I was pretty excited about this game, until I played it. In terms of performance, even Vanguard launched in better shape than this. This is certainly an indie game, and it manages to look several years old while still chugging along at a terrible framerate. I'm sure some people are going to find things to like about it, but you are just spewing lies to say that any of the AAA games to come out in the last few years was in worse shape than this. That is simply untrue.
this game rocks, people have there pick of games now days, but this game is more polished then WAR or WoW was at launch.
That is nonsense. This game is a turd compared to either of those... Neither had significant performance issues or bugs at launch. FE manages to both look and run like shit somehow, and I have top end machine. I was pretty excited about this game, until I played it. In terms of performance, even Vanguard launched in better shape than this. This is certainly an indie game, and it manages to look several years old while still chugging along at a terrible framerate. I'm sure some people are going to find things to like about it, but you are just spewing lies to say that any of the AAA games to come out in the last few years was in worse shape than this. That is simply untrue.
You're either ignorant or a liar. Anyone who has played those games at launch will know that. I'm not sure what you're basing your facts off of, but my experience has been close to pristine compared to those other games. I've been able to login. I've crashed very few times. I haven't experienced much lag at all. Some people have complained about lag or crashing when entering into highly populated areas, but they were able to log right back into the game, unlike the ones you mentioned where you had queues for WoW that ensured you waited several hours to get into the game. Warhammer, as I remember, was much the same way. And vanguard, well.....let's just say that it's a very special game....and I mean special in the same way that people refer to you when they say you're special.
First off, English is his first language, so trying to use that as a defense is simply ignorance on your part. Besides, that part of the conversation is over and done with.
There is no need to call me names. Not all people have a grammar and spelling manual shoved up their behinds.
First off, English is his first language, so trying to use that as a defense is simply ignorance on your part. Besides, that part of the conversation is over and done with.
There is no need to call me names. Not all people have a grammar and spelling manual shoved up their behinds.
Best regards
-ikkeno
Never called you any names and trying to look clever drudging up other people's work simply short thrifts yourself. If you're going to argue in another language, at least make sure you can do so credibly. Ignorance is simply 'not knowing'. I /know/ English is his first language, based on his profile as well as his writing style. You were trying to argue that English wasn't his first language. /That/ is ignorance on your part. There's nothing negative about ignorance as long as you don't wallow in it.
Hey, Mr.Bloodworth, seems like we have a similar taste... FE is my next P2P MMO since Lotro... still subscribing to latter, but not sure, how long.... depends on how FE will do in 3-4 months time. Signs are very good though!
See you ingame (maybe)
DB
I am in the same boat. I really enjoy FE, and LOTRO is of course extremely impressive to me for many reasons. However, my girlfriend is still loving LOTRO more than FE, manly because she still loves the "mid evil" feel of the game, and unlike me, she hasn't been playing them for over ten years now. So, in just about every way FE is a breath of fresh air, setting, combat, crafting, stabbing with bullets, story lines and content.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Hey, Mr.Bloodworth, seems like we have a similar taste... FE is my next P2P MMO since Lotro... still subscribing to latter, but not sure, how long.... depends on how FE will do in 3-4 months time. Signs are very good though!
See you ingame (maybe)
DB
I am in the same boat. I really enjoy FE, and LOTRO is of course extremely impressive to me for many reasons. However, my girlfriend is still loving LOTRO more than FE, manly because she still loves the "mid evil" feel of the game, and unlike me, she hasn't been playing them for over ten years now. So, in just about every way FE is a breath of fresh air, setting, combat, crafting, stabbing with bullets, story lines and content.
The change from orcs and elves to mutants/rebels and the whole wasteland/survival theme itself was enough to catch my attention a long time ago, while some other aspects (crafting, hybrid development, freeform characters) also helped to convince myself.... I'm sure to give this a deeper try.
Looks like, luckily, there are a lot of folks with a similar mindset - it's reassuring too.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
That is nonsense. This game is a turd compared to either of those... Neither had significant performance issues or bugs at launch. FE manages to both look and run like shit somehow, and I have top end machine. I was pretty excited about this game, until I played it. In terms of performance, even Vanguard launched in better shape than this. This is certainly an indie game, and it manages to look several years old while still chugging along at a terrible framerate. I'm sure some people are going to find things to like about it, but you are just spewing lies to say that any of the AAA games to come out in the last few years was in worse shape than this. That is simply untrue.
give me your specs and i will say if you have a top end machine, most who think that really do not know anything about computer technologies. You say wow & war had no significant performance issues at launch? well you must have not been there for either one because WoW servers were offline for days because of stability issues so much so that we were given extra free days because of it, when the servers were up alot of quests were broken, mobs that were invincable roamed the world etc, etc. War on the other hand faired well, servers were pretty stable, bugs as usual with the code it's problem was it did not deliver on what was promised. Vanguard also was completely horrible server wise, i remember crossing chunks and getting CTD or just dropping through the world, i once feel inbetween a chunk and appear on another island. Maybe the saying is true dig a hole deep enough you can get to china.
You say AAA titles never have these issues are untrue well you just are plain wrong i completely pointed out why above those i experienced myself and not hear say. FE on the other hand i have not experiencde many crashes, i've experienced bugz and reported them, 2 thirds of the ones i've reported in the last 2 weeks are already confirmed fixed. FE has issues yes but the devs are up front and honest and keep the players informed unlike the big budget AAA titles that just take your money and run. Performance wise can be improved especially in cities but since i ACTUALLLY do have a TOP end system it doesn't effect me very much at all it is just noticable compared to what i should be getting.
All in all i give FE a 8.0 for their launch, I'm not saying there is not issues to deal but IMO it is no worse than any other launch i've been involved in it has actually been a pretty smooth experience for me and i've been involved in launches for EnB, DNL, EQ2, SWG, Eve Online, WoW, War, Vanguard, AOC, LOTRO, Ryzom, Auto Assault, CO, and a few others i can't remember right now
basically i like how people post bullshit when they actually have no clue what they are truly talking about.
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I think this game is not for the new MMORPG generation. Or for people like me, that like good graphics and animations in games.
Now I play AoC and maybe it's not the best game, but it sure have one of the best looking animations and graphics. And that makes me forget about bugs etc hehe.
Looking at this game, makes me think back 20 years or so. SWG look better then this one.
But hey it's not all about the looks...
Anyway enjoy the game!
Played:
From Earth & Beyond, Anarchy Online, Matrix Online, Star Wars Galaxies, World of Warcraft, Age of Conan, Tabula Rasa (Beta), EvE Online, City of Villians, Atlantica Online, Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Pirates of the Burning Sea, PlanetSide, RF Online, Second Life, Fallen Earth.
Seriously, SWG looks better, sunshine its time you went to the shops and did yourself some upgrading, no doubt you will reply saying your running the Quad orgasm 5000 cpu with 30 nvidia 295,s in the pawn you configuration, but with that statemant of yours everyone will know your full of it.
The graphics are not the flashest, but with things turned on to above medium or in your case low it would appear, they are decent and do the job and seeing as I played SWG I can hand on heart fully say the above is full of manure.
I don't think you were alive 20 years ago.
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I don't think you were alive 20 years ago.
He was 8 years old.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
*shivers*
that phrase has so many meanings it's really just not even funny.
it would be the emo fall out boy generation right ? or are we even a generation beyond that now ?
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They are actually updating the graphics a lot with the first launch patch. Taste that people, first patch...
BR Anders
*shivers*
that phrase has so many meanings it's really just not even funny.
it would be the emo fall out boy generation right ? or are we even a generation beyond that now ?
All I can think of is that ever second month or so they began talking about the old school warlocks in WoW, the old school warlocks that was something like three months old. And those was true warlocks, cheezus.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
I've been lurking in this and other FE forums off and on for the last few weeks. This is the first thing that's actually made me want to come out of lurking and comment.
The above quote is from the OP. Grammatical impairment aside, he brings up a very valid point. If this is a game where everyone from level A to B wears outfit C and everyone from level X to Y wears outfit Z, and there's very little if any ability to customize the outfits - then this game is a no-go for me.
You can say what you want about hardcore. I've been there since UO launch and loved AC, 10six, and EVE - all of which were hardcore games (perhaps 10six most of all). I enjoyed being able to dye my clothing in UO and customize my outfit. I enjoyed being able to customize my outfit in SWG as well. EVE didn't have much clothing customization, but that's how the game is - you're in a space ship.
I could forgive Fallen Earth if it has a gutted customization mechanic. But I can't excuse it for others. I want to get my SO into a MMORPG. I wanted to get her into a game like FE, not WoW. Something where crafting has a meaning and there's a sandbox aspect. But if sandbox means "everyone looks the same", then that's not a sandbox she's going to enjoy. And if she's not enjoying it, neither am I.
I've been lurking in this and other FE forums off and on for the last few weeks. This is the first thing that's actually made me want to come out of lurking and comment.
The above quote is from the OP. Grammatical impairment aside, he brings up a very valid point. If this is a game where everyone from level A to B wears outfit C and everyone from level X to Y wears outfit Z, and there's very little if any ability to customize the outfits - then this game is a no-go for me.
You can say what you want about hardcore. I've been there since UO launch and loved AC, 10six, and EVE - all of which were hardcore games (perhaps 10six most of all). I enjoyed being able to dye my clothing in UO and customize my outfit. I enjoyed being able to customize my outfit in SWG as well. EVE didn't have much clothing customization, but that's how the game is - you're in a space ship.
I could forgive Fallen Earth if it has a gutted customization mechanic. But I can't excuse it for others. I want to get my SO into a MMORPG. I wanted to get her into a game like FE, not WoW. Something where crafting has a meaning and there's a sandbox aspect. But if sandbox means "everyone looks the same", then that's not a sandbox she's going to enjoy. And if she's not enjoying it, neither am I.
Except, he misses the entire point that if you want to wear more defensive armors, you have to spend points to do so. Meaning, it is your choice to wear those other armors, or stick with cloth.
Your choice, and, those points can go somewhere else if you choose.
Also, all hair has 3 different ways to ware them, and so do jackets, you can have them open/ziped/or partial zip and you can craft any color you want.
This is not Wow where the armors are invalidated because you gain a level, it is 100% tied to your selections in skill points and what it is you want to do with your toon. And yes, there are good reasons NOT to wear heavy armor, it is not the case that it is simply better.
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Forgive me, but I think you may be missing the point. In Ultima Online you had a good half dozen types of armor. Each one had its own advantages and disadvantages. Some protected you more but drained your spell casting or agility. Others were weaker but gave you better flexbility. You even had the option of mix and matching.
In ADDITION to that, you had the ability to customize your appearence. Armor that had the same same exact attributes might have 10 different colors to choose from. Aside from your armor, you had dozens of pieces of clothing that could be worn inside, outside, or partially in between your armor segments and those pieces of clothing had literally hundreds of color choices.
Ultima Online is old. Dirt old. Yet Ultima Online gave players the ability to specialize their charachter towards a particular usage of armor and THEN customize themselves to make them appear different than the 10,000 other people wearing that same "armor class".
If the biggest customization FE has is whether or not to button or unbutton a jacket and how to style your hair - this is a massive, MASSIVE leap backwards in sandbox gameplay. I would expect that kind of lack of cutomization from a theme park (you look how we tell you to look) game, not from a sandbox.
Forgive me, but I think you may be missing the point. In Ultima Online you had a good half dozen types of armor. Each one had its own advantages and disadvantages. Some protected you more but drained your spell casting or agility. Others were weaker but gave you better flexbility. You even had the option of mix and matching.
In ADDITION to that, you had the ability to customize your appearence. Armor that had the same same exact attributes might have 10 different colors to choose from. Aside from your armor, you had dozens of pieces of clothing that could be worn inside, outside, or partially in between your armor segments and those pieces of clothing had literally hundreds of color choices.
Ultima Online is old. Dirt old. Yet Ultima Online gave players the ability to specialize their charachter towards a particular usage of armor and THEN customize themselves to make them appear different than the 10,000 other people wearing that same "armor class".
If the biggest customization FE has is whether or not to button or unbutton a jacket and how to style your hair - this is a massive, MASSIVE leap backwards in sandbox gameplay. I would expect that kind of lack of cutomization from a theme park (you look how we tell you to look) game, not from a sandbox.
You may want to play the game, then come back.
All armor and clothing can by dyed, and worn in about three different ways, And its all player crafted, as well as I think, 30 slots (yes, shirts under jackets ETC..) in your paper doll, including a different physical glove on each hand.
FE is not lacking in customization department. I didn't miss anyone's point.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
You may notice the groin slot item there, thats right in darken caves you can take part in "Glow in the dark condom cock fighting'(tm)
Or if thats just a little bit to Village people for you, try stuffing a praire chicken onto that slot, and stand around in the bank all day, with both hands on your hips, striking Heroic pose's, always a winner with the ladies, all 7 of them and horses , you will meet lots of horses in banks, its where they go to pick up.
Want something even more Macho, ok well there is always the 20 guage cod piece with pop up barrel, a must have finishng move in pvp, because nothing says 'I own you" than running up behind someone and have something spring up out of your pants and going off.
None of the above is real, apart from the horses bit, the slutty buggers.....Thread was just getting way to serious for a game. Go read a book for a week, come back and enjoy a game, any game, pick one,(oh but you cant can you your now uber cynical about everything) if not rack off again and read another book or something, anything the world is full of things you might actually enjoy.
Actually I was making a point.
BTW, you could have answered with a single word, so you're not really in a good position to criticize my posts.
Here's the progression:
If you can make clothing, can you make boots?
If boots are in the game, why can't you wade through water, regardless of how contaminated it is?
By no means is this issue a deal-breaker for me, but it does hurt immersion. I think you will see a lot of comments on this issue after release.
No you wont, because there is only like, what, 4 bodies of water in 100's of square KM of play area.
It's beyond a non issue. To the point of absurd that you even tout it as a flaw of some sort.
Hey, Mr.Bloodworth, seems like we have a similar taste... FE is my next P2P MMO since Lotro... still subscribing to latter, but not sure, how long.... depends on how FE will do in 3-4 months time. Signs are very good though!
See you ingame (maybe)
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Actually I was making a point.
BTW, you could have answered with a single word, so you're not really in a good position to criticize my posts.
Here's the progression:
If you can make clothing, can you make boots?
If boots are in the game, why can't you wade through water, regardless of how contaminated it is?
By no means is this issue a deal-breaker for me, but it does hurt immersion. I think you will see a lot of comments on this issue after release.
you will not see alot of comments on that issue because like me it was never thought about until others pointed out. I knew you couldn't wade through water and didn't care as i saw no need to go in radiated water to kill myself until i get my DNA cloning problem taken care of. Most people will not think twice about it as you hardly come accross water anyways
Not everyone has english as first language so this is just silly to bring up just because he offended your new pet game.
FE is severely flawed in many ways, most so due to bugs.
The game itself is "ok" enough and will enjoy me for a short time. Its not however a game i invest much energy in.
- Nothing lasts.. but nothing is lost. -
I really wanted to like FE but so many game design flaws make the game boring, where is the fun I ask?
If they would have shot for Mad Max style MMO it would have been great - Auto Assault came close but again stupid game mechanics.
Car Wars board game would be perfect starting point in my opinion for good and working ruleset on how to build vehicles and solve battles.
Most of the failed games seem to strive to make totally new game ruleset and at least avid roleplayers know that making working systems is very very hard and sometimes a perfect execution can still fail (D&D 3rd edition).
First off, English is his first language, so trying to use that as a defense is simply ignorance on your part. Besides, that part of the conversation is over and done with.
As far as the OP's comments about 'customization', he's directly contradictory to what he 'wants'. He wants to be able to be protected by heavy armor, yet be able to turn off the graphics of the armor so he can see how cool his character looks without it. This is directly contradictory to his statement about wanting a 'world' and not a 'game'. Then, of course, are the other statements in his post about wanting several other conveniences. And I refuted his arguments where he was simply incorrect in his assumptions or if the actual problem had been fixed since Beta, which is when he played. He's trying to critique a game that is released by using the Beta as his milestone.
As far as the actual customization options, there aren't really any. Yes, you can dye clothing, but only what the devs allow though premade recipes. You can't take that brown duster and add yellow highlights or the black chaps and cut the ass out of it. You're stuck with basic recipes that don't allow a high degree of customization. I think this is a shame and I would like to see this change in the future. I, like many others, like the idea of looking different than everyone else. Also is the fact that there is no variance among equipment. Everything will have the same stats regardless of who made it or what vendor you bought it off of. There's no real item decay either. That bothers me on the long term viability of the economy.
With the hair style, what is meant there is that you choose your hair in the beginning. Let's say you choose a pony tail. When you're playing, you have the option of 'letting your hair down', then having it combed, then put back into your pony tail.
The game does grab you off the start, but a lot of new games do that, whether it's flashy graphics, cool gameplay, or simply naked chicks. The question is will it still grab you in a month from now. We'll simply just have to see what the devs do in the future and with their plan of updating the game and such. If you doubt the game and it's plan, then don't buy it. There is more than enough information about the game that you should be able to make an informed decision. And if you still have questions, then feel free to ask.
That is nonsense. This game is a turd compared to either of those... Neither had significant performance issues or bugs at launch. FE manages to both look and run like shit somehow, and I have top end machine. I was pretty excited about this game, until I played it. In terms of performance, even Vanguard launched in better shape than this. This is certainly an indie game, and it manages to look several years old while still chugging along at a terrible framerate. I'm sure some people are going to find things to like about it, but you are just spewing lies to say that any of the AAA games to come out in the last few years was in worse shape than this. That is simply untrue.
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That is nonsense. This game is a turd compared to either of those... Neither had significant performance issues or bugs at launch. FE manages to both look and run like shit somehow, and I have top end machine. I was pretty excited about this game, until I played it. In terms of performance, even Vanguard launched in better shape than this. This is certainly an indie game, and it manages to look several years old while still chugging along at a terrible framerate. I'm sure some people are going to find things to like about it, but you are just spewing lies to say that any of the AAA games to come out in the last few years was in worse shape than this. That is simply untrue.
You're either ignorant or a liar. Anyone who has played those games at launch will know that. I'm not sure what you're basing your facts off of, but my experience has been close to pristine compared to those other games. I've been able to login. I've crashed very few times. I haven't experienced much lag at all. Some people have complained about lag or crashing when entering into highly populated areas, but they were able to log right back into the game, unlike the ones you mentioned where you had queues for WoW that ensured you waited several hours to get into the game. Warhammer, as I remember, was much the same way. And vanguard, well.....let's just say that it's a very special game....and I mean special in the same way that people refer to you when they say you're special.
There is no need to call me names. Not all people have a grammar and spelling manual shoved up their behinds.
Best regards
-ikkeno
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There is no need to call me names. Not all people have a grammar and spelling manual shoved up their behinds.
Best regards
-ikkeno
Never called you any names and trying to look clever drudging up other people's work simply short thrifts yourself. If you're going to argue in another language, at least make sure you can do so credibly. Ignorance is simply 'not knowing'. I /know/ English is his first language, based on his profile as well as his writing style. You were trying to argue that English wasn't his first language. /That/ is ignorance on your part. There's nothing negative about ignorance as long as you don't wallow in it.
Hey, Mr.Bloodworth, seems like we have a similar taste... FE is my next P2P MMO since Lotro... still subscribing to latter, but not sure, how long.... depends on how FE will do in 3-4 months time. Signs are very good though!
See you ingame (maybe)
DB
I am in the same boat. I really enjoy FE, and LOTRO is of course extremely impressive to me for many reasons. However, my girlfriend is still loving LOTRO more than FE, manly because she still loves the "mid evil" feel of the game, and unlike me, she hasn't been playing them for over ten years now. So, in just about every way FE is a breath of fresh air, setting, combat, crafting, stabbing with bullets, story lines and content.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Hey, Mr.Bloodworth, seems like we have a similar taste... FE is my next P2P MMO since Lotro... still subscribing to latter, but not sure, how long.... depends on how FE will do in 3-4 months time. Signs are very good though!
See you ingame (maybe)
DB
I am in the same boat. I really enjoy FE, and LOTRO is of course extremely impressive to me for many reasons. However, my girlfriend is still loving LOTRO more than FE, manly because she still loves the "mid evil" feel of the game, and unlike me, she hasn't been playing them for over ten years now. So, in just about every way FE is a breath of fresh air, setting, combat, crafting, stabbing with bullets, story lines and content.
The change from orcs and elves to mutants/rebels and the whole wasteland/survival theme itself was enough to catch my attention a long time ago, while some other aspects (crafting, hybrid development, freeform characters) also helped to convince myself.... I'm sure to give this a deeper try.
Looks like, luckily, there are a lot of folks with a similar mindset - it's reassuring too.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
give me your specs and i will say if you have a top end machine, most who think that really do not know anything about computer technologies. You say wow & war had no significant performance issues at launch? well you must have not been there for either one because WoW servers were offline for days because of stability issues so much so that we were given extra free days because of it, when the servers were up alot of quests were broken, mobs that were invincable roamed the world etc, etc. War on the other hand faired well, servers were pretty stable, bugs as usual with the code it's problem was it did not deliver on what was promised. Vanguard also was completely horrible server wise, i remember crossing chunks and getting CTD or just dropping through the world, i once feel inbetween a chunk and appear on another island. Maybe the saying is true dig a hole deep enough you can get to china.
You say AAA titles never have these issues are untrue well you just are plain wrong i completely pointed out why above those i experienced myself and not hear say. FE on the other hand i have not experiencde many crashes, i've experienced bugz and reported them, 2 thirds of the ones i've reported in the last 2 weeks are already confirmed fixed. FE has issues yes but the devs are up front and honest and keep the players informed unlike the big budget AAA titles that just take your money and run. Performance wise can be improved especially in cities but since i ACTUALLLY do have a TOP end system it doesn't effect me very much at all it is just noticable compared to what i should be getting.
All in all i give FE a 8.0 for their launch, I'm not saying there is not issues to deal but IMO it is no worse than any other launch i've been involved in it has actually been a pretty smooth experience for me and i've been involved in launches for EnB, DNL, EQ2, SWG, Eve Online, WoW, War, Vanguard, AOC, LOTRO, Ryzom, Auto Assault, CO, and a few others i can't remember right now
basically i like how people post bullshit when they actually have no clue what they are truly talking about.