Why do you Hate WOW ?

spades07 · November 2009

it stole my twix

thurusiaz · November 2009

I grew up playing all of the Warcraft games so WoW initially appealed to me.

I liked:

-The graphics

-The storyline

-The abilities

Disliked:

-Constant grinding for the smallest rewards

-The game being stingy with experience and the whole leveling process

-Characters having a very hard time soloing due to huge weaknesses

-PvP not giving you real experience

-The fact that you work so hard for gear and then can't use it

-The fact that most of your game performance depended heavily on your gear not how well you played the game

-The fact that WoW didn't provide some sort of averaging or balance to PvP level bands

Overall I felt like the game was focused on what you could have next or what you had to work so hard for next time. Instead of being focused on just having a good time and gameplay content WoW was always so stingy with experience and made the whole leveling process an outrageous mess.

I played WoW for a few years and in the end it's all just pointless data.

grandpagamer · November 2009

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Its not a hatred for WOW as much as it is for the defenders of the game. No matter what the criticism there are a few (everyone knows them well) that explain how the nay sayer is wrong and how everyone should be great full to be allowed to pay a monthly fee for such a marvelous game. There are players that enjoy the game and its good they have a game they like, then there are worshipers who feel the need to defend and explain and beat down any derogatory statement made about the holy grail of games. This is what makes WOW suck so hard.

What Teh Fulc?

Have you been living under a Rock? Every MMORPG fanbase on this site have diahard fanboys.

You should have been on WarhammerAliiance.com back during beta. If you had a opinion that something was bad about the game, you could get banned and flamed hard core. So this is a crappy excuse

Any excuse for not loving wow is a crappy one to those who actually think its a good game. You are one of which i was speaking.

Gishgeron · November 2009

Originally posted by spades07

it stole my twix

I wanna change my answer to this one.

Blazinglynx · November 2009

I starting playing WoW as my first mmo when it launched in Europe and the thing that hooked me was the exploration and discovery, I was amazed at the amount of content in each area, and felt encouraged to wander, even just to take in the sights. I really felt like my character was part of the world and even all these insignificant quests I took, really seemed to matter and was something to work through. I never did many instances or raids, but when I did I really felt like I was on an adventure and it felt like a real achievement when I completed them. Neither was I a big RP'er, but I enjoyed it when I endulged myself in the lore because it was pretty rich.

Then the Burning Crusade came, awesome 2 new races, a whole new area to explore, and I was off doing it again, until I got to about 65 at which point it hit me that I wasnt getting the same satisfaction. Why was that? Because at some point all the little things that I used to find enjoyable were no longer important. Before BC, I could wander around with my semi-decent gear (cos I didnt raid or heavy pvp) and do what I wanted, like explore, quest, occasionaly take part in pvp, occasionaly do instances. And I would do reasonably well, yes I wouldnt be the highest dps, yes I wouldnt get the most kills but it wouldnt matter, I had the freedom to play the game the way I wanted and there was always enough content for me to explore. After BC, it seemed everything you did was to work up to end-game raiding or later arena fights. It seemed the only thing that really mattered to people was doing rep grinds to get better gear, there was no immersion involved. Suddenly in order to get anywhere in the game I needed to be apart of a guild, I needed to actively take time out of my life to do things in game as there was nothing else really for me to do as a semi-casual mmo gamer at lvl 70.

Getting to WoTLK, I thought they would turned it around, I was mistaken. It was exactly like BC but even more so, I couldnt bring myself to get past 71 as everything felt the same. I havent looked back since. To end I would like to say I dont hate WoW, how can you hate a game? Im just disappointed that they too away the magic for me by neglecting the mechanincs that made it enticing fr mein the irst place.

tro44_1 · November 2009

Originally posted by Gishgeron

I'm gonna just answer the question presented in the title. The discussion above me here is...well...filled things that make my head hurt for reading it.

I hate WoW because I played it for 2 years and enjoyed it. Then, no real changes were made. Yes they added zones or altered classes. They didn't add ACTUAL game elements though. Mostly they just added stuff that made all the accomplishments you DID do obsolete and force you back into a routine you had already experienced to regain it. I'm not saying that MOST MMO's don't do that too...I'm just saying I felt it personally pointless to play a reskin of all my former accomplishments. I wanted something genuinely new to experience and achieve.
Couple that with the CONSTANT rebalancing of my class (hunter by the way, which often meant I had to completely rethink how to play my class because of how deep the changes went0, the god awful things they did to races, and the fact that WoW has the WORST PICK UP GROUPS IN ALL OF MMO HISTORY...well....
You just start looking elsewhere.
Also, I'm probably never gonna pay for an MMO again anyway. They aren't really worth the money anymore. Its such a shallow genre in entertainment these days. Not because there aren't enjoyable things about it...but that they're all things I have already done and enjoyed. I don't wanna pay for, as I've said, a reskin of experiences I already had.

You just contradicted yourself. You complained about the lack of Change in WoW, yet when they do deliver changes, you complain.

Also as Zorn has said, WoW has changes GREATLY!!! I quit WoW a week before they added the dual Spec patch. And since then, WoW has added tons of things alone. Lets not menction the added things TBC brought to WoW, like opening up Hybrid classes to DPS roles in raids, and Making all Healer Classes (Primary) as in equal in some way, and by doing this also for Tanks (Getting rid of Primarys). That was a great change there alone. Now Hunter are also getting a gameplay change in CAT which should spice things up for them. All classes will be getting Talent Tree revamps, which bascally means, new Sub Classes.

Thats a lot of change right there^

Salvatoris · November 2009

I'm not going to read this whole thread, but I assume this has been said before. For me, it's the graphics. WoW looked pretty lame when it launched, now it looks like it's 10 years old. No thanks.

tro44_1 · November 2009

Originally posted by thurusiaz

I grew up playing all of the Warcraft games so WoW initially appealed to me.
I liked:
-The graphics
-The storyline
-The abilities
Disliked:
-Constant grinding for the smallest rewards
not sure what you perfer. Cause I see this in every MMORPG.
-The game being stingy with experience and the whole leveling process
All RPGs are about Lvling. RPG RL games and Table Top, may not, but video games as a genre is all about lvling. Even Skill Based Sandbox games deal with lvling, they just dont show the EXP bars and such.
-Characters having a very hard time soloing due to huge weaknesses
Well I see a lot of hatred on this site and others towards the fact that you can Solo in WoW. So Iam not sure which way to nit pick this. Yes you are right,, in Old WoW, Soloing was very hard for Support speced Classes, but Blizzard has improved on that much in WoTLK. It was one of the main focuses of this X-pac (Since at that time Warhammer was the big hyper). Blizzard made sure Soloing was better for Support Classes (Warrior, Priest, Druid, Shaman, Paladin)
-PvP not giving you real experience
Not sure what you mean from this? Experience as in EXP point? Cause Blizzard patched that in. EXP from PvP. Or do you mean Experience as in Skill? Because thats somethign I will also disagree on. I played a TBC Ret Pally and Protection Paladin. Which were both Jokeky End Game Specs and Class. In PvP Arena, Paladins were at the bottom of the chart as the worst Arena class (Even Blizzard showed stats on this). But my time in BG and Arena improved my skills. I had to learn how to deal with, classes that were much more powerful then me. Even my own counter Classes. I had to learn how to dish out the best when it came time to handle them. Thats a lot of experience.
-The fact that you work so hard for gear and then can't use it
Not sure what you mean here. You mean Class restrictions? Thats dew to Lore mostly. But Balance also fits into this. WoW as a RPG (TT, Video Game, RTS, ext) has a endless pathed lore, that it trys to stay close as possible to, so it can continue to appel to the RPG fans. So things like Paladins fighting with Staffs, and Mages fighting with massive 2hander Maces, is a no go (even though it can be done for the exception in the lore)
-The fact that most of your game performance depended heavily on your gear not how well you played the game
I dont understand this logic. I read this type of statement all the time from haters as well. End Game gear, is the reward for Player Skill. This is why you didnt see Nubs running around with Illidan's Blades, when the Black Temple came out. The Skilled players get the Better PvE gear, which acts as the key mainly to the next difficulty lvl of PvE. Its a form of controlled progression. Which gives developers time, to develop later improvments and incounters. So somebody not playing well, wont be the same somebody fighting Kel Jaden and Arthas. You dig?
-The fact that WoW didn't provide some sort of averaging or balance to PvP level bands
Blizzard has the Arena ladders. Also Blizzard has a way to put Non Puged groups against other non Puged groups in BG. is that what you mean?

Overall I felt like the game was focused on what you could have next or what you had to work so hard for next time. Instead of being focused on just having a good time and gameplay content WoW was always so stingy with experience and made the whole leveling process an outrageous mess.
Thats because there is no way to make something that will be this (Good Time) to everybody. WoW was designed to appel to the player bases like Everquest, which dealed with end game raiding. Thats why the progression is the way it is. Because many players found that fun (before WoW), and in current WoW.

I played WoW for a few years and in the end it's all just pointless data.

I also played WoW for a few years. Quit a few months ago. I just believe that many people here on MMORPG.com hate on WoW because its the top selling, and nothing more. People hate on WoW for things, yet will support that same thing they hated, but for another game. Just look back at post made by Warhammer Fanboys during Beta, on Warhammeralliance.com. Thats a pure example, of haters hating things in WoW just because it is WoW.

MMMOGIRL · November 2009

Originally posted by Demz2

You know what I hate??. Its the whining bitches on these forums. That act like they speak for a whole playerbase, the only people that they speak for are the 200 active people on this site.

AMEN! Quit whining about the damn game and GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE! WoW doesn't care what you think and neither does their 11mil+ subscribers, so get over it. You don't need to force it down everyone else's throat by constantly making new threads on it. You hate WoW, we've established that, MOVE ON!

Salvatoris · November 2009

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL

Originally posted by Demz2

You know what I hate??. Its the whining bitches on these forums. That act like they speak for a whole playerbase, the only people that they speak for are the 200 active people on this site.

AMEN! Quit whining about the damn game and GO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE! WoW doesn't care what you think and neither does their 11mil+ subscribers, so get over it. You don't need to force it down everyone else's throat by constantly making new threads on it. You hate WoW, we've established that, MOVE ON!

so.. how is posting what you don't like about WoW any different than posting what you don't like about WAR? It seems like you don't have a problem with that...

Astralglide · November 2009

I hate WoW because it slept with my girlfriend and wrecked my car.

Malifiss · November 2009

Originally posted by Astralglide

I hate WoW because it slept with my girlfriend and wrecked my car.

WoW killed my parakeet and gave me irritable bowel syndrome.

Grayseven · November 2009

I play WoW, but there is a lot about it that is bad. Even a successful game has room for improvement.

I agree about the player base. If it weren't for being in a guild with friends I enjoy spending time with and who are adults and actually act like it, I couldn't play the game.

My ignore list is full. I have to delete one a-hole to put a new one on the list and I hope each time that the a-hole removed from my ignore has moved on or changed sides so I don't have to listen to them any more. It takes a lot to have me use ignore, so the people on that list deserve to be ignored by everyone on the server.

The game is simple as well. There isn't any complexity to the systems, the new raids have a few new twists but are easily understood and dealt with by even mediocre players. The draw of the game for most people is the simplicity and ease of play.

I simply don't have time for anything more complex. I can thrive in WoW with my limited play time, something I could not do in more difficult systems. I left SWG partially because I simply could no longer dedicate the time to my Shipwright to gather the materials I needed for my Imp Pilot (I pretty much left the ground game after the NGE and lived in the cockpit of my TIE Oppressor). And SWG isn't the most complex game I've dealt with.

The hate comes from the fact that WoWs simplicity allows a larger player base that at times is the most obnoxious group of individuals in one place on the face of the earth. Trade chat is filled with bile and filth, ignorant children thinking profanity and vulgarity make people think they are adult and adults acting like spoiled brat children with their whines about Gear Score or Paladins being OP.

Its funny, but there is actually an elitism forming among players on the fuller WoW servers, looking down on people still running heroics and the older Naxx or EoE raids. Its like they expect people to treat them as some sort of gaming god for running the newer content that simply requires you to have gear that allows you to do and take more damage.

And there is the real rub. Newer raids aren't harder because they do something different, they simply require players gear to give them more health and dps (or healing ability). Its just dressing up the same old style of play: Have gear, know your rotation, kill things in the right order....

Does it deserve hate? No. Hate is too strong an emotion to be wasted on a game. You can show disdain all you want, you can feel superior because you play EVE, but save hate not for the game but for the faceless mass of ignorance that is a vocal minority in the game.

Demz2 · November 2009

Originally posted by Grayseven

I play WoW, but there is a lot about it that is bad. Even a successful game has room for improvement.
I agree about the player base. If it weren't for being in a guild with friends I enjoy spending time with and who are adults and actually act like it, I couldn't play the game.
My ignore list is full. I have to delete one a-hole to put a new one on the list and I hope each time that the a-hole removed from my ignore has moved on or changed sides so I don't have to listen to them any more. It takes a lot to have me use ignore, so the people on that list deserve to be ignored by everyone on the server.
The game is simple as well. There isn't any complexity to the systems, the new raids have a few new twists but are easily understood and dealt with by even mediocre players. The draw of the game for most people is the simplicity and ease of play.
I simply don't have time for anything more complex. I can thrive in WoW with my limited play time, something I could not do in more difficult systems. I left SWG partially because I simply could no longer dedicate the time to my Shipwright to gather the materials I needed for my Imp Pilot (I pretty much left the ground game after the NGE and lived in the cockpit of my TIE Oppressor). And SWG isn't the most complex game I've dealt with.
The hate comes from the fact that WoWs simplicity allows a larger player base that at times is the most obnoxious group of individuals in one place on the face of the earth. Trade chat is filled with bile and filth, ignorant children thinking profanity and vulgarity make people think they are adult and adults acting like spoiled brat children with their whines about Gear Score or Paladins being OP.
Its funny, but there is actually an elitism forming among players on the fuller WoW servers, looking down on people still running heroics and the older Naxx or EoE raids. Its like they expect people to treat them as some sort of gaming god for running the newer content that simply requires you to have gear that allows you to do and take more damage.
And there is the real rub. Newer raids aren't harder because they do something different, they simply require players gear to give them more health and dps (or healing ability). Its just dressing up the same old style of play: Have gear, know your rotation, kill things in the right order....
Does it deserve hate? No. Hate is too strong an emotion to be wasted on a game. You can show disdain all you want, you can feel superior because you play EVE, but save hate not for the game but for the faceless mass of ignorance that is a vocal minority in the game.

There sint any complexity to the systems????? My friend this is the only game with mechanics that work on mathamatical theories. Go look up eleitist jekrs forums and others etc. On that site there are hundrerds of thousands of players using it, and peopel that actually do the math behind DPS, tnaking , pvp everything to pump out dps, healign gear etc. My friend what seems simple on the outside has huge mechanics on the inside. Any noob can fuucking play, its understanding the mehcnaics about ur class tthat give you the edge over other players my friend. You think spamming ur few skill buttons on your in a random order hotbar even come close to understanding the mechanics of dps ? NOPE!. New raids arnt harder? ASK the top guilds in the world the hardmore encounters on algalon or Firefighter or yog+0 etc etc. newsfflash there was elitims back in old wow, when noobs were running UBRS to gera up while other guilds were doing MC and BWL. Plz dont confuse player ease of use with complexity my freind. because getitng deep down into it, wows character and gear mechanics are far more complex than looting it and putting it on.

Aison2 · November 2009

Originally posted by tro44_1

-The game being stingy with experience and the whole leveling process
All RPGs are about Lvling. RPG RL games and Table Top, may not, but video games as a genre is all about lvling. Even Skill Based Sandbox games deal with lvling, they just dont show the EXP bars and such.
-

This is soo wrong. RPGs at least used to be about the story. Thats what Role Playing stands for.

The level? Thats just a indicator for the progress of your hero. Those storys generally let you start as a small

guy who gradually grows up to a hero and the level indicates that. You cant start as the legandary superhuman who

kills dragons with his kitchen knife for breakfast, cause that would be just boring. And thats what the lvl should be for. Making lvling the whole goal of the game has little to do with RP .

Its true though that mmos are alot about grind. WoW changed it a bit with its heavier focus on questing but its still there.

Ideally you should be able to experience the story regardless of your lvl . Nothing bothered me more than doing 3-4 quests in a group and then getting a "your level is to low for this quest" , nice... thanks that you let me decide when i can do this quest...

tro44_1 · November 2009

Originally posted by Malifiss

Originally posted by Astralglide

I hate WoW because it slept with my girlfriend and wrecked my car.

WoW killed my parakeet and gave me irritable bowel syndrome.

YOU TWO ARE THE BIGEST IDIOTS ON THIS FORUM!!!!

LEARN2SUE-RICH-COMPANIES

LEARN2BUY-INSURANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Astralglide · November 2009

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by Malifiss

Originally posted by Astralglide

I hate WoW because it slept with my girlfriend and wrecked my car.

WoW killed my parakeet and gave me irritable bowel syndrome.

YOU TWO ARE THE BIGEST IDIOTS ON THIS FORUM!!!!

LEARN2SUE-RICH-COMPANIES

LEARN2BUY-INSURANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am NOT the biggest idiot on this forum. That would be too difficult of an achievement for me and there are so many who are ahead of me for that title. That being said, I hate tro44_1 because he had sex with my car and gave my parakeet irritable bowel syndrome.

Malifiss · November 2009

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by Malifiss

Originally posted by Astralglide

I hate WoW because it slept with my girlfriend and wrecked my car.

WoW killed my parakeet and gave me irritable bowel syndrome.

YOU TWO ARE THE BIGEST IDIOTS ON THIS FORUM!!!!

LEARN2SUE-RICH-COMPANIES

LEARN2BUY-INSURANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am NOT the biggest idiot on this forum. That would be too difficult of an achievement for me and there are so many who are ahead of me for that title. That being said, I hate tro44_1 because he had sex with my car and gave my parakeet irritable bowel syndrome.

I hate tro44_1 because he's my ex-girlfriend and he won't have sex with my parakeet in my car.

Goronian · November 2009

Originally posted by Malifiss

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by Malifiss

Originally posted by Astralglide

I hate WoW because it slept with my girlfriend and wrecked my car.

WoW killed my parakeet and gave me irritable bowel syndrome.

YOU TWO ARE THE BIGEST IDIOTS ON THIS FORUM!!!!

LEARN2SUE-RICH-COMPANIES

LEARN2BUY-INSURANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am NOT the biggest idiot on this forum. That would be too difficult of an achievement for me and there are so many who are ahead of me for that title. That being said, I hate tro44_1 because he had sex with my car and gave my parakeet irritable bowel syndrome.

I hate tro44_1 because he's my ex-girlfriend and he won't have sex with my parakeet in my car.

I hate WoW because it made my plush hamster kill himself, made twin clones of Hitler, punched Superboy Prime in reality, stared my dog down, spoiled my grandmother, assimilated me into the Borg, then made me into a real boy, just to make me a woman again.

And tro44_1 just smells.

Malifiss · November 2009

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by Malifiss

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by tro44_1

Originally posted by Malifiss

Originally posted by Astralglide

I hate WoW because it slept with my girlfriend and wrecked my car.

WoW killed my parakeet and gave me irritable bowel syndrome.

YOU TWO ARE THE BIGEST IDIOTS ON THIS FORUM!!!!

LEARN2SUE-RICH-COMPANIES

LEARN2BUY-INSURANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am NOT the biggest idiot on this forum. That would be too difficult of an achievement for me and there are so many who are ahead of me for that title. That being said, I hate tro44_1 because he had sex with my car and gave my parakeet irritable bowel syndrome.

I hate tro44_1 because he's my ex-girlfriend and he won't have sex with my parakeet in my car.

I hate WoW because it made my plush hamster kill himself, made twin clones of Hitler, punched Superboy Prime in reality, stared my dog down, spoiled my grandmother, assimilated me into the Borg, then made me into a real boy, just to make me a woman again.

And tro44_1 just smells.

He does, really. Sorta like sweaty feet and stale cheese.

just1opinion · November 2009

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by Predator160

I think players are given way to much and are spoiled in WoW. A lot of them didn't play oldstyle MMO's partly because they were too young, and MMORPG's didn't become mainstream until WoW.

THAT is a great analogy.

Aweful analogy.

I feel confident in saying that most people didn't play old mmos, because they just were not fun to many people. Not because they where hard or people were to young.

Sitting around a dungeon for 8 hours hoping something exciting would spawn is not the pinnacle of enjoyment for many people. Nor is roaming around the landscape randomly killing anything that moves just to push an experience bar from empty to full. Grinding 40 hours just to get access to one zone is not something many people would enjoy and I recall a lot of old school hardcore players hating that concept too. I know I did.

Old mmos were filled with hiddious timesinks that somehow people translate into earning or difficult gameplay. I don't think sitting around waiting is an achievment or somehow hard effort.

And WoW ISN'T filled with "hideous timesinks?" Were you playing the same game? The problem is the WoW "timesinks" aren't challenging, they're just....TIME with no challenge. If you have enough TIME you can get anything you want, for the most part. There are no mythical weapons to get by long chains of activity. Hell, warlocks don't even have the warlock mount quest chain anymore to earn their mount. It's just GIVEN TO THEM, which makes it very NOT special.

Even though new mmos are far more complex than anything from the good old days, they still are not hard. Old games kept people loot starved, so every item upgrade was memorable [which does have merit]. New games hand out more items, because the is no reason to only have useful 12 items for a player in the entire expansion. It doesn't change the actual gameplay of "earning" those items which is very similar in nature from the old days to current days.

Reading the analogy above just reminds me of the old guy shouting at kids to stay off his grass, because everything was harder when he was young and these kids today are just whippersnappers.

Who said anything about CAMPING mobs being how you "earn" anything? Honestly, I myself was thinking about before the last few patches that made getting the best gear so freaking EASY. I was a raider. I had to go to Ulduar (and eventually ToC), learn the fights, and then probably go 30 times before what I wanted actually DROPPED and I actually WON the roll for it. NOW.....all you have to do is pick an easy heroic and farm it for emblems, or....if you want the BEST gear....do the daily heroic every day for a while. Heroics are so easy now, you could almost run them with your character naked. There's no challenge in that, and no sense of accomplishment when you get a "reward" for it.

I stand by my "that was a great analogy," and you're proving it with your whining "old guy" and "whippersnapper" comments. I've played new AND old MMOs, and the OLD ones definitely have something the new ones DON'T....a sense of actually "EARNING" what you got. And no....I don't mean EQ (that's an old one I didn't play) camping mobs for 8 hours. I'm talking about challenging gameplay, and time invested to acquire something "special," so that it actually was somehow meaningful (in a virtual reality sense).

Kungaloosh1 · November 2009

I hate wow because it looks like it was developed to entertain preschoolers. Melted crayons. ugly.

Evelknievel · November 2009

I don't hate WoW, however the game has been around since late 2004 and around 2007 I just got bored with the same old same ole thing, day in and day out. Chase this, chase that and which carrot method are they using now.

WoW in 2004 is alot different than it is today though, of course all mmorpgs grow with time (for good or bad), but I wish they would have taken the game in a different direction instead the current one they got.

Just like SWG PreCu, I wish there was a traditional WoW server before the Burning Crusade was introduced.

WoW before TBC was a excellent game in my opinion.

Will I ever go back, hmm, I dont think so, but never say never when it comes to mmorpgs. Who knows, they might introduce a Classic server down the road and I will be playing it again.

Thormier · November 2009

I think WoW's a great game , Although i dont play anymore i sometimes have the urge to go back and play

Krieg · November 2009

Originally posted by Thormier

I think WoW's a great game , Although i dont play anymore i sometimes have the urge to go back and play

I think most of us do. I haven't played since pre-TBC but once you get the itch, you must scratch.

Been how many years now and I still find myself going to WoW's homepage to read about the latest features.

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