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  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297

    Meh WoW. Personally, I actually found it less engaging than that flash game that spoofed it, what was it called? Ginormous Sword or something.

    On the other hand it definitely brought a hell of a lot of people into MMOing and inevitably, a certain subset of them will eventually look for something different, so more pie for everyone in the end. Equally inevitably, it means that we have to deal with a subset of that subset who go around insisting that "this game would be great if only it did x, y, z like WoW does". That's the 'price' we have to pay; we cant have the one benefit without the other drawback.

    If nothing else, Blizzard has shown that it is possible to make a lot of money running an MMO. Eventually the rest of the industry will realise that Blizzard has also shown that it is not possible for anyone else to make a lot of money with a game like WoW, wise up, and try and make a lot of money with a game that's different from WoW. I'm kind of hoping that the new Star Wars MMO will be this game, since the "halo effect" of a multi-million sub SF (Science Fantasy, really but I'm kind of a snob about these things) themed game can only benefit EvE, which is the game I play.

    Even die-hard WoW fans should be rooting for this to happen, by the way, since some effective competition would surely do Blizzard and WoW nothing but good.

    tl;dr: mmmm pie

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • AngorimAngorim Member Posts: 466
    Originally posted by Zorndorf


    To the guy above in terrible yellow.
    Sorry If you can not count. First the turnover for WOW is far over the 1 BILLION dollars of yearly income. See the financial AUDITED reports.
    Blizzard sells the equivalent of around 36 million "copies" in western subscriptions alone on ... a yearly base.
    Just do the simple calculations: 6 million subs times 6 bi monthly time cards (at 30 dollars each ..), thats the equivalent of 36 million copies sold on a yearly basis.
    Not even counting the Chinese (which only is around 9% of the turnover - as they pay almost nothing to play).
    Not even counting the normal shipped boxes. Learn to read what "equivalent" even means.
    Not one single video game can come up with these YEARLY figures. Not even cross platform. Not even full franchises.
    That's simple: success.
    And you hate that succes.
    Get over it.
     



     

    This isn't a "WoW is flawless and the most perfect shining example of life-saving gold ever of all the times" thread, it's a thread dedicated to people discussing why they dislike, or in this case, hate WoW.   You obviously do not, so why are you even posting here?

    You hate to see any criticism to something has no relevance to you or anything in your real life.

    Get over it.

     

    As for contributing to this, I don't neccesarily hate the game although it's a shell of what it was originally, I hate the people that play it (See Zorndorf for an example).  All they care about is posting faulty statistics that are outdated and were always exaggerated in a marketing hype for something that is mediocre.  Nothing wrong with mediocrity, the masses eat it up so it must be good in some respect.  The fact that every brainless suit of all these other companies sees dollars signs, no passion for making their games so we're stuck with churned out copies and clones of the same model with limited variety.

    I actually don't want to see this game go anywhere; it keeps majority of the idiots and non-gaming masses that it brought into this genre out of the games that I am enjoying otherwise.

  • Gobstopper3DGobstopper3D Member RarePosts: 970

    I'm willing to bet that a good chunk of people on here that trash WoW are closet WoW junkies.  I may be dating myself here, but it reminds me of my younger years when we used to use the phrase, "A Volkswagen Beetle if fun to drive, but you wouldn't want your friends to see you driving one".

    I'm not an IT Specialist, Game Developer, or Clairvoyant in real life, but like others on here, I play one on the internet.

  • AngorimAngorim Member Posts: 466
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by Angorim

    Originally posted by Zorndorf


    To the guy above in terrible yellow.
    Sorry If you can not count. First the turnover for WOW is far over the 1 BILLION dollars of yearly income. See the financial AUDITED reports.
    Blizzard sells the equivalent of around 36 million "copies" in western subscriptions alone on ... a yearly base.
    Just do the simple calculations: 6 million subs times 6 bi monthly time cards (at 30 dollars each ..), thats the equivalent of 36 million copies sold on a yearly basis.
    Not even counting the Chinese (which only is around 9% of the turnover - as they pay almost nothing to play).
    Not even counting the normal shipped boxes. Learn to read what "equivalent" even means.
    Not one single video game can come up with these YEARLY figures. Not even cross platform. Not even full franchises.
    That's simple: success.
    And you hate that succes.
    Get over it.
     



     

    This isn't an "WoW is flawless and the most perfect shining example of life-saving gold ever of all the times" thread, it's a thread dedicated to people discussing why they dislike, or in this case, hate WoW.   You obviously do not, so why are you even posting here?

    You hate to see any criticism to something has no relevance to you or anything in your real life.

    Get over it.

     

    As for contributing to this, I don't neccesarily hate the game although it's a shell of what it was originally, I hate the people that play it (See Zorndorf for an example).  All they care about is posting faulty statistics that are outdated and were always exaggerated in a marketing hype for something that is mediocre.  Nothing wrong with mediocrity, the masses eat it up so it must be good in some respect.  The fact that every brainless suit of all these other companies sees dollars signs, no passion for making their games so we're stuck with churned out copies and clones of the same model with limited variety.

    I actually don't want to see this game go anywhere; it keeps majority of the idiots and non-gaming masses that it brought into this genre.



     

    My being here is simply to point out that .... HATE ... aginst the absolute number ONE in ... success is silly.

    And it shows you simply lack the insight of what makes WOW .... thick.

    Concerning game design you obviously have NO clue why WOW is so succesful.

    You even HATE players now of the game for it ?

    Excuse me ??? You HATE me because I like to play WOW ??? and counter - with ease - these ridiculous posts against the most succesful video game in 30 years ???

    It shows your attitude towards people and success.

    Sorry to burst your bubble.

    Excuse me, I "extremely dislike" people like you.  I didn't say I hated everyone that played the game, just people that exibit such zealotry towards something so severely it's almost like a cult; if you're not a part of it something is wrong with you.

     

    But no, you should continue to play off symantics in a vain attempt to back peddle since you have absolutely no ground to stand on.  You've made it clear this is the only game you've ever liked and yet you parade yourself around other forums as if you have any knowledge or idea what you're talking about.  You're so blinded by your own love of the game your goggles are beyond rose-tinted.

    You love the game simply because it's successful?  And when someone has anything negative to say, be it constructive or otherwise, you spew your non-sensical bs about statistics and skewed opinions and we're supposed to eat it up?

    If you enjoy the game, fine, have fun with it.  There's nothing wrong with that.  If the game is as great as you make it out to be, it should speak for itself; all you do is make yourself look like a fool and DEMOTE the game by spewing your non-sense.

  • Demz2Demz2 Member Posts: 435

    I dont hate wow, I hate the 200 or so active people on this site, that go around acting like they are high and mighty.  newsflash nobody gives a dman whatyou think about wow or any other mmo. 

  • VidirVidir Member UncommonPosts: 963

    I dont hate wow,I just dont like it.

  • ShazzelShazzel Member Posts: 472

    Why do I hate WoW? Simple because its activision... I now consider them worse than SOE. Just look at what they did to MW2 for PC.



    Wonder how long until downloadable content hits the warcraft scene. Obviously you dont have to worry about the game being dumbed down anymore, it's allready so dumb thats simply not possible.

     

    Blizzard should have never sold out period.

  • Psycho2kPsycho2k Member Posts: 63

     My being here is simply to point out that .... HATE ... aginst the absolute number ONE in ... success is silly.

     

    No it is not, what is silly is you telling others that their own opinions are silly, everybody is entitled to hate whatever they choose to hate for their own reasons, for somebody to tell them they are silly because of subscription numbers is a joke, not everybody wants to be a sheep and play a game just because its popular.

     

    For me personally I dont hate WoW, it has its place in the MMO market, I hate other companies for trying to clone it.  WoW offers me no real depth, no real atmosphere, it feels like a game made for casual players to let them seem hardcore with its "here have this epic for doing almost nothing" style of gameplay, its super easy levelling and its almost pointless ingame economy.

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  • Demz2Demz2 Member Posts: 435
    Originally posted by Shazzel


    Why do I hate WoW? Simple because its activision... I now consider them worse than SOE. Just look at what they did to MW2 for PC.



    Wonder how long until downloadable content hits the warcraft scene. Obviously you dont have to worry about the game being dumbed down anymore, it's allready so dumb thats simply not possible.

     
    Blizzard should have never sold out period.

     

    You do realise Blizzard is part of vivendi etnertainment group right for like 10 years now right? And who is activisions parent company?  Yes its vivendi.  activision dosnt own blizzard you idiot,  Vivendi owns then both with a majority 55% stake. blizzard hasnt sold out to anyone u monkey.  Its called business, maybe you havnt heard of it.  Vivendi renamed the new company to activision blizzard.   You do relaise Blizzard is largely an atunomous company within the merger, and answers only to vivendi,it is not run by Activision Blizzard.   So get a bloody grip ok???????????

     

    Get a bloody grip please.  Like i said I dont hate wow, I hate the idiots on this site that chat shitt 24/7.

  • AngorimAngorim Member Posts: 466
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by Psycho2k


     My being here is simply to point out that .... HATE ... aginst the absolute number ONE in ... success is silly.

     

    No it is not, what is silly is you telling others that their own opinions are silly, everybody is entitled to hate whatever they choose to hate for their own reasons, for somebody to tell them they are silly because of subscription numbers is a joke, not everybody wants to be a sheep and play a game just because its popular.

     

    For me personally I dont hate WoW, it has its place in the MMO market, I hate other companies for trying to clone it.  WoW offers me no real depth, no real atmosphere, it feels like a game made for casual players to let them seem hardcore with its "here have this epic for doing almost nothing" style of gameplay, its super easy levelling and its almost pointless ingame economy.

    "HATE" is silly because you simply hate "the succes rate".

    Not the indiviu or the product or the range that has that number one succes.

    It is also silly because the "IMO" part is meaningless IF you want to discuss game mechanics and WHAT makes succesful games.

    You can always say .... I don't like this or that in WOW. Like you say and I applaud this.

    But you can't speak of HATE upon the number one succesful product in its market.

    That simply shows your lack of insight in what makes a game succesful.

    And the word "hate" shows you are far too emotional involved to even discuss game mechanics.

    And let's face it: you loose ALL arguments in advance when you say you simply  "hate" the number one most succesful game.

    It shows you don't know or can even undrstand what makes a succesful game.

    Hypocrisy is a word foreign to Zorndorf's language.  Love is the polar opposite of hate; which you love WoW do you not? 

     

    And the word "love" shows you are far too emotional involved to even discuss game mechanics.

    And let's face it: you loose ALL arguments in advance when you say you simply "love" the number one most succesful game.

     

    Funny how easily that is turned against you.

  • AngorimAngorim Member Posts: 466
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by Angorim

    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by Psycho2k


     My being here is simply to point out that .... HATE ... aginst the absolute number ONE in ... success is silly.

     

    No it is not, what is silly is you telling others that their own opinions are silly, everybody is entitled to hate whatever they choose to hate for their own reasons, for somebody to tell them they are silly because of subscription numbers is a joke, not everybody wants to be a sheep and play a game just because its popular.

     

    For me personally I dont hate WoW, it has its place in the MMO market, I hate other companies for trying to clone it.  WoW offers me no real depth, no real atmosphere, it feels like a game made for casual players to let them seem hardcore with its "here have this epic for doing almost nothing" style of gameplay, its super easy levelling and its almost pointless ingame economy.

    "HATE" is silly because you simply hate "the succes rate".

    Not the indiviu or the product or the range that has that number one succes.

    It is also silly because the "IMO" part is meaningless IF you want to discuss game mechanics and WHAT makes succesful games.

    You can always say .... I don't like this or that in WOW. Like you say and I applaud this.

    But you can't speak of HATE upon the number one succesful product in its market.

    That simply shows your lack of insight in what makes a game succesful.

    And the word "hate" shows you are far too emotional involved to even discuss game mechanics.

    And let's face it: you loose ALL arguments in advance when you say you simply  "hate" the number one most succesful game.

    It shows you don't know or can even undrstand what makes a succesful game.

    Hypocrisy is a word foreign to Zorndorf's language.  Love is the polar opposite of hate; which you love WoW do you not? 

     

    And the word "love" shows you are far too emotional involved to even discuss game mechanics.

    And let's face it: you loose ALL arguments in advance when you say you simply "love" the number one most succesful game.

     

    Funny how easily that is turned against you.



     

    BTW I never use the words love or hate for ... games in general.

    Look it up.

    That's because I analyse far more than you can dream off.

     

    The only thing you are capable of analysing is your own reflection in the mirror.  Seriously, get off of your soap-box.  If your age is correct in your information, I feel ashamed that you act so immaturely.  But I expected this much, no real response to my original post because you have no argument.

    Edit:  You seem to lack the basic understanding that human emotion, regardless of strength, plays an active role in everyone's opinion.  But here you are again with the symantics.

     

  • TalinTalin Member UncommonPosts: 923

    There's no reason to hate WoW; it is a game and offers what it offers. It is also the undisputed "king" of MMORPGs today.

    Sometimes I "hate" WoW players, but that's only because there are more of them than any other set of players, so of course there will be a larger number (not percentage) of immature "jerks".

    I also despise the very concept of raiding, which has always been a key component to WoW. Sit around and be forced to play for 3-5 hours straight just to finish a single dungeon? The sheer act is contrary to being a properly functioning person in human society. Argue away if you wish, you'll only reveal your own disconnect with reality.

  • AngorimAngorim Member Posts: 466
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by Angorim

    Originally posted by Zorndorf




     
    BTW I never use the words love or hate for ... games in general.
    Look it up.
    That's because I analyse far more than you can dream off.
     

    The only thing you are capable of analysing is your own reflection in the mirror.  Seriously, get off of your soap-box.  If your age is correct in your information, I feel ashamed that you act so immaturely.  But I expected this much, no real response to my original post because you have no argument.

     

    So you think that "hating" the most succesful game in video game history (as in MONEY wise) is even an argument?

     

    :)))

    Just think what you just wrote above.

    Imagine YOU sollicitating for a job in this industry....

    Would I hire you? Of course not, because you are publishing nonsense on the most succesful game out there.

    A subscription based game even (so with far more success than initial shipments).

    I think you would have left the audition interview in 2 minutes...

     

     

    Because everyone who doesn't fellate Blizzard and their MMO in any video game related job interview is laughed out the door.  You're an idiot and beyond full of yourself.  But again, you're providing absolutely zero argument or basis other than saying "WoW is popular."  Hi, welcome to 5 years ago.  Everyone has their own opinion, and you seem fixated on hate which I corrected with your symantic argument ages ago.  Then again, that probably went in one ear and out the other since all you care about is forcing your opinion on everyone else.

     

    Again, this thread is for people who dislike WoW; the door is that way.

  • AngorimAngorim Member Posts: 466
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    Originally posted by Angorim

    Originally posted by Zorndorf


    So you think that "hating" the most succesful game in video game history (as in MONEY wise) is even an argument?

     
    :)))
    Just think what you just wrote above.
    Imagine YOU sollicitating for a job in this industry....
    Would I hire you? Of course not, because you are publishing nonsense on the most succesful game out there.
    A subscription based game even (so with far more success than initial shipments).
    I think you would have left the audition interview in 2 minutes...
     
     

    Because everyone who doesn't fellate Blizzard and their MMO in any video game related job interview is laughed out the door.  You're an idiot and beyond full of yourself.  But again, you're providing absolutely zero argument or basis other than saying "WoW is popular."  Hi, welcome to 5 years ago.  Everyone has their own opinion, and you seem fixated on hate which I corrected with your symantic argument ages ago.  Then again, that probably went in one ear and out the other since all you care about is forcing your opinion on everyone else.

     

    Again, this thread is for people who dislike WoW; the door is that way.



     

    HAHAHA

    "This thread is for people who dislike (read "hate") WOW".

    Sorry to piss on your silly private party...



     

    You know the old dog, no new tricks saying.  I can't say I didn't enjoy my time picking you and your lies apart, but I'll let you "win" with your last word mentality.  Have fun being so closed-minded living in your hypocrisy.

  • MinzarraMinzarra Member UncommonPosts: 11

     

    10 foot-wide shoulder pads.

  • ValkaernValkaern Member UncommonPosts: 497
    Originally posted by tro44_1

    Originally posted by Valkaern


    - Expansions that don't 'expand' the game as much as lengthen the linear train tracks players are directed down.
    What? Blizzard added Tons of new stuff per X-pac. Is the current WoW anything like the original Vanilla WoW? Could we Fly on mounts? Could we have dual Spec that could also switch our gear for us? Did we have Guild Banks? Did we have PvP Zones? Did we have Sieges? Did we have Death Knights? Did we have Phased quest? Did we have more then one End Game Tanking class? So how the crap can you say the X-pacs didnt expand the game? 
    - I don't personally feel they expanded the game world drastically over the past 5 years, despite the expansions.   If you feel that doing the same quests in a phased setting, or guild banks drastically expand the game world, then more power to you.   And to answer your question, aside from a dip in challenge rating, I find it to be very similar to vanilla wow today, but ofcourse with some minor new systems tacked on.
    - Despite talent trees, the game still offers very shallow character development.
    Which many games also lack in. So this goes both ways.
    - So your logic is 'There are some other games out there that also have shallow character developmet'. That doesn't make it ok in my opinion. This is a thread about WoW, not the shortcomings it shares with other games. If you have anything to add that would actually dissuade me from this belief then I'd be glad to listen, but in my experience, it's incredibly shallow.
    - WoW borrowed questing from other games, but instead of innovating they dumbed it down and made trivial fed-ex & click 10 baskets the standard for mmo 'content'.
    What? Now I know you are just "hating just to hate". WoTLK added a great questing system to the game. Way more fun then Vanilla WoW. How can you say, WoW is not innovating, when it has its Phased Quest system, and quest were you can control giant monsters and fight other giants with a whole zone to lay to waist?
    - I have a feeling the vast majority of 'quests' (read - mindless click 10 barrel intelligence insulting mundane tasks) in WoW do not utilize people riding around on giant monsters laying waste to zones. In fact I'm fairly certain there's only a few in the latest expansion. But, I think numbers would prove that the vast majority still involve fed-ex style/click 10 objects. You disagree?
    - The community
    This can be bad in any game. Have you ever played a MMO, let alone, been on the internet?
    - It can be bad in any game. But, I think anyone that has ever had anything to do with MMOs knows that WoW is notorious for its community, and I'm sure many that have logged in can testify to why it's earned the reputation. The fact is, there are other games that have great communities.
    So again, 'There are other games with bad communities, too' doesn't really cut it when we're discussing WoW specifically, and not short comings it has in common with other games.
    - The fact that their success led to tenacity and a reluctance to dare try anything new or innovative. Instead years later we see the same content just re-decorated and recolored.
    What? Many games build off of WoW, but they all try something new and different. Maybe thats the reason most of them fail, who knows. Look at AoC, VG, Aion, War, most of them are very different from WoW. They may share common mechanics and element that WoW also have, but those same elements can be tracked down to games way older then WoW. So your logic is Bull Shit.
    - And your reading comprehension is attrocious. Once again, I'm discussing WoW here. Not AoC, VG, Aion or anyother game. In fact I'm specifically referring to Blizzards reluctance to introduce anything that varies drastically from what they've already fed the players for years.
    - Disposable community. No need to answer for being an ass, rename your character or transfer servers, not that you really need to make a good impression or earn the respect of others in a game where there's no dependence on that anyway. Piss off your raiding guild? Ninja loot one too many times? Guild hop, the 'content' is so accessible now any collective group of mutants with some finger nubs left can have the best of the best. No consequences for behaving in a less than socially acceptable way when it's so easy to disappear leads to less than pleasant communities.
    And I hear you Sandbox fan boys cry for freedom like this all the time, yet want to rant on WoW for having it. Its called Back stabing. Sounds Sandboxy to me. the freedom to turn on Ally and Ninja people. Couldnt you do this in a Sandbox mmo? Yes or no?
    - Yes, many past PvP games and some PvE games had offered the ability to backstab and act like an ass in various ways, the difference being that previously it was never so easy to vanish after doing so, people often had to live with their rep for years to come. Blizzard knows their player base and had to make name changes/server changes readily available.


    - The community.
    This can be bad in any game. Have you ever played a MMO, let alone, been on the internet?
    - Once again, it can be bad in any game. I fully agree. But the point here in this thread about WoW is that it's bad in WoW. Really, this whole line of logic that 'it can be bad in other games' or 'other games have shortcomings too' doesn't really hold up and doesn't do anything to offer an alternative view. I can only assume you must agree on all these previous points as you've had nothing contradictory to say.
    - The shallowness of gameplay and narrowness of scope.
    What? There are tons of things to do in WoW. Really,,, have you ever played WoW, other then reading about it from "Hate-Site" like this, that are full of false hatefilled reviews from anti-WoW-Fanboys like yourself?
    - To clarify, I find the game to be very limiting and shallow compared to many other MMOs. I'm not sure which games you've played that lead you to believe that WoW is deep, and honestly I'd rather not know. I've personally found WoW to be shallow and limiting in comparison. I'm not sure how else to clear up your obvious confusion on the matter.
    - What the game did to the landscape of MMOs. The genre was expanding, it was an exciting time, the possibilities were near endless. These things could go just about anywhere. Then WoW came along, re-did everything already done, dumbed it down and made sure it was palatable to as many people as possible. And here is where we've stalled out for the most part over the past 5 years. McDonalds on every corner.  On one hand you can say we can't blame the game developers for capitalizing the publics desire for fast food trash, but we can blame them for choosing safe profit over creativity in a creative field. Now everyother business on the planet that creates games is tripping over themselves trying to grab as much money as they can by churning out clones of this hag-scab game.
    OK so WTF does McDonalds have to do with WoW? McDonalds, Burgerking, KFC, I-tunes, ext,,,,,, unlike these other business formats, WoW and other MMO's have to be Constantly Payed For In Order To Be Used. If I buy the Blackstreet CD, I wont need to pay 15$ a month to listen to it. If that was the case, then Iam sure Music Artist, wouldnt release a single damn CD unless it had 100% perfect hits. Same goes for McDonalds. I dont need to pay 15$ a month after I payed for a BigMac. So comparing a MMORPG like WoW, to something like McDonalds is stupid.
    - In my opinion it's a fairly apt analogy. They're both designed to pander to the lowest common denominator in an effort to achieve the greatest number of sales. McDonalds is massively succesful worldwide, but I don't think they're in any danger of winning any awards for their food. WoW is a massively successful game, but I don't feel it's top notch in terms of creativity or other areas.
     Hopefully we'll see some passionate and creative people create a gameworld soon because of a strong belief in what they're creating  and  in their new ideas, despite the fact that the numbers indicate an aspect of the public wants more watered down imposters.
    - And finally, the community.
    If you look at the current games out there, you can see that the player base dont want more games like WoW. Most of the top games out there second to WoW, are nothing like it. Problem comes, when Developers try something new but flops in their face. The first people the haters want to blame is Blizzard. Did WoW have any effect on Vanguard? Did WoW have any effect on AoC? So What happen? oh let me guess,,, WoW employes must have stormed those games' development offices, with Starcraft 2 lazers, and threating them to make more bad MMO games.
     
    - Do you honestly believe that WoW had no effect on these games? Directly or indirectly? Vanguard was changed mid-beta to be more similar to WoW, the Vanguard of 2005 was drastically different from what the final result was. When the people financing these games see that WoW has a successful formula, do you really believe there's no pressure to immitate that? I think the slew of WoW clones over the past years prove that. You're either desperate to make a point or blindly naive.
     
    Thanks



     

    My reply in red

     

  • KalvasflammKalvasflamm Member Posts: 48

    I am replying to the post above (too long to full quote). Honestly, m8, you CAN NOT compare WoW to a sandbox game. It's ridiculous, really.

    Is World of Warcraft a good GAME? Yes, it certainly is! It kept my attention for quite a few months, and even today I like to PvP from time to time. But I never ever compare WoW to games like Ultima Online. I simply take WoW for what it is (in regards to PvP): kind of Battlefield or Counterstrike with fantasy gear. I do not expect anything more from the game.

    Is World of Warcraft as good as a sandbox MMO? "Roflcopter", to quote they typical WoW-Community-Member. WoW is limited in every aspect of the game. Everything I experience in WoW is kind of premade from the Devs. There is nothing unpredictable, it is always the same. Always! And that does not change because of some addons enhacing the level cap, enlargen the world etc.

    In a sandbox MMO is so much more to do, to experience... It's hopeless trying to convince a WoW fan boy that there are other, far better MMOs out there. He won't understand unless he try's for himself. But if WoW is everything you have ever dreamt of, you should certainly stick to WoW. Nothing bad about it. As I said, it's quite a good game.

  • willvaswillvas Member Posts: 137
    Originally posted by Zorndorf

    To the guy above in terrible yellow.    yeah and i will continue using "terrible yellow" because I know you like it.

    Sorry If you can not count. I dont count, since when were you or me allowed to count for Blizzard?  LOL you actually believe the stuff that you type?  you are too funny!!!!!!!!  It is in plenty of news articles when this past year... CHINA HAD 6 million subscribers.. 3 million in Europe and  2-2.5 something in the US.  GOOGLE it if you dont believe me. Secondly... you SHOW ME where you get your stats from.  Then maybe ill spend time looking for the stats i found on a Business site.   First the turnover for WOW is far over the 1 BILLION dollars of yearly income. See the financial AUDITED reports.is that what they call it now?  turnover?  LOL ok.  I will let you call it turnover.  You are definitely looking at Blizzards total revenue for last year right?  Blizzard has more then WOW going for them just to let you know.  They have other games.  Link please... show me the stats.

    Blizzard sells the equivalent of around 36 million "copies" in western subscriptions alone on ... a yearly base.  not sure where you are going with this when you say equivalent.  Why even use the word equivalent when all you need to do is say subscriptions.  Buying the game you only need to do once.  Rest is just subscription.  SO just name off the subs big guy.

    Just do the simple calculations: 6 million subs times 6 bi monthly time cards (at 30 dollars each ..), thats the equivalent of 36 million copies sold on a yearly basis.  yeah lets do the math.  YOU are saying there is 6 million US subscriptions.  LOL you are so far off its funny.  LIINK PLEASE.  SHOW ME THE LINK!!!!!!!!  again whats the point of doing the equivalent of copies when the game is only sold once.  and your numbers are wrong anyway.  You are overshooting by a LOT.  again want a link.  Madden 2010 alone did 6.2 million box sales and thats lower then their previous years.  at 60 bucks a pop.  372 million just for ONE GAME that EA does.  But hey in your eyes thats not successful.  LOL you are just too hilarious. oh and ill show my link to so you can see how many sales they got.  so you dont say I am lying.         

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/04/AR2006120401436.html

    Not even counting the Chinese (which only is around 9% of the turnover - as they pay almost nothing to play). LOL if you say so<shakes head>  they count subs man... not money.  When you give a number you give it in SUBSCRIPTIONS.  Blizzard will never tell you how much other countries are paying for their subs. 

    Not even counting the normal shipped boxes. Learn to read what "equivalent" even means. learn to just talk subs because that is the number Blizzard gives.. THATS it.  again LINK please.

    Not one single video game can come up with these YEARLY figures. Not even cross platform. Not even full franchises.  LOL read above.  Madden Football. 

    That's simple: success.  If you say so.  Look up the word success.  in your eyes success is only if you are #1 right?  LOL<shakes head>

    And you hate that succes. LOL now you are assuming.. tell me where i said i hate success? please give me quotes!!!  I find you funny man seroiusly.  You give me a good laugh.  again, your definition of success is skewered or thwarped.

    Get over it.  get over what?  now you are being delusional

     Edit: Ever since Wow was created, every idiot wants to publish a ... money maker instead of a game. But you can't blame Blizzard for making a succesful game based on hard subscription money.  LOL Edit huh?  i guess companies like turbine that have been around a long time in the MMO gaming industry are idiots huh?  how about SOE?  oh wait so is mythic huh?  LOL yeah they havent been around for years and still running well because WOW is the only company that makes money "successfully"  LOL you are too funny man.  i have to say man thanks for all the laughs seriously.  I cant stop really. 

     you got a lot to learn young one.  take a deep breath.  relax.  Go back to playing WOW and enjoy yourself.  Not everybody has to like WOW like you.  Lots dont like WOW for many reasons.  You dont have to like those reasons.  Nobody said you do.  But everybody is entitled to their opinion.  but you throwing out bogus numbers, I want links.  Show me.  you obviously have not done any research on it.  You saw Blizzards yearly figures and thought it all comes from WOW.  Blizzard pumps out many games big guy. Not just WOW.  if you can show me the link where it says there is 6 million US subscriptions I will stand corrected as an adult should.  But i already know that is false as I have already done my search.  Now do yours. 

     

    P.S. oh and those figures are from last year i said.  Let me help you a bit... here is a link how CHINA has an effect on WOWs sub numbers.. it was down to 5 million because China closed down their servers over some dispute with the government.

    http://www.possibilityspace.com/forums/p/591/2233.aspx

    http://gamerblips.dailyradar.com/story/wow_subscriptions_down_to_5_million/

    http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26951449 

    they wont list new numbers now since 2008 because China wont let them now.

    as for box sales figured i would help you with what was sold in the US TOTAL.. .now I AM SAYING TOTAL since launch.. that includes EXPANSIONS....  here you go.... 8.6 million total since 2004 since its release.  that is TOTAL again.  because its not just for this year.  so it really makes me wonder where you get your numbers.

    http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=24518

     

    i think i said enough.  Now you all can go about your hate and your love for WOW.

     

     

  • libranimlibranim Member Posts: 139

     I've loved the game for the first 4-5 years, I've loved the whole freaking azeroth to the core.

    Now it's just tiring and boring,  a repetitious game that has died down somewhat.

    But there is no reason to hate it... It was a good game and it provided fun for quite awhile, the only reason I'd hate it is for the time I dedicated into it.

  • TclonesTclones Member Posts: 4

    I do not really hate wow I just hate the fact that every company is using it as the ideal model and trying to copy it in every MMO that they make hoping that by doing so they will enjoy the same sucess that Wow did which is simply not going to happen.

    Wow was to me a very simple MMO and really did not do anything to move the genre forward or  innovate it . Which is what should have happened  they made it so a five year old could play" I know my Nephew used to play with me and my friends and he was six" and marketed to the mainstream media and as a result the MMO market came to a stand still and became very  stagnant and repetitive with everyone trying to copy what WOW did  which was impossible.

     

    Wow sucess  was great for blizzard but bad for MMO's IMHO because it keep the genre from growing and changing like it should have instead of new ideas coming out everyone was following the Wow model and trying to copy it.

  • KatillaKatilla Member UncommonPosts: 829

    I hate WoW because the graphics are outdated, and the company spoon feeds the community and dumbed the game down.

    oh, that and every fanboi who comes on these forums from that game thinks that blizz invented the genre and did everytihng FIRST with this game, so they feel the need to call every other mmo a "wow clone" and say everyone is copying from it, when it was WoW that took from other mmos in the first place.

     

    graphics suck

    community makes me hate it even more.

  • EbenEben Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 522
    Originally posted by Katilla


    I hate WoW because the graphics are outdated, and the company spoon feeds the community and dumbed the game down.
    oh, that and every fanboi who comes on these forums from that game thinks that blizz invented the genre and did everytihng FIRST with this game, so they feel the need to call every other mmo a "wow clone" and say everyone is copying from it, when it was WoW that took from other mmos in the first place.
     
    graphics suck
    community makes me hate it even more.

     

    Graphics are fine, fits right in with the RTS games, and every MMO prior and post WoW has been garbage.  Except for EVE.  Yes, that's right, that big, long list you have put down in your profile page?  All those games, other than WoW and EVE, were garbage.  Complete and utter shit, and only a complete fool would have wasted their time playing them. 

    Opinions are fun!

    =)

    Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.

  • grandpagamergrandpagamer Member Posts: 2,221

    Its not a hatred for WOW as much as it is for the defenders of the game.  No matter what the criticism  there are a few (everyone knows them well) that explain how the nay sayer is wrong and how everyone should be great full to be allowed to pay a monthly fee for such a marvelous game.  There are players that enjoy the game and its good they have a game they like, then there are worshipers who feel the need to defend and explain and beat down any derogatory statement made about the holy grail of games. This is what makes WOW suck so hard.

  • tro44_1tro44_1 Member Posts: 1,819
    Originally posted by Katilla


    I hate WoW because the graphics are outdated, and the company spoon feeds the community and dumbed the game down.
    So Are many other MMORPG. Which is why WoW runs to smoothest of most top MMOs. Also it allows more people to play. More People= More Epic Large Scale Gameplay (PvP PvE)
    oh, that and every fanboi who comes on these forums from that game thinks that blizz invented the genre and did everytihng FIRST with this game, so they feel the need to call every other mmo a "wow clone" and say everyone is copying from it, when it was WoW that took from other mmos in the first place.

     What? The? Fu%$? Are you confusing the WoW fans with the WoW haters? Because I hear this mostly from WoW haters. things like this,,,,,,
    Dont Add Paladins in (insert Game) cause WoW has them
    Dont add Mounts in (Insert game) cause WoW has them
    Dont add fantasy gear to (insert  game) cause WoW has them
    Dont add Large scale PvE to (insert game) because WoW has that.
    and the list goes on. This are things I hear from Haters, not fanboys. as you can see from the list, Games before WoW had this. So why hate something cause WoW has it. And your WoW clone comment, makes me LOL IRL. Look at this site alone, and you will see that most people that scream out WoW clone, hate WoW and dont even play it.
    graphics suck
    But it allows for a larger player base. More Player = more Massive gameplay= More Epic Gameplay
    community makes me hate it even more.
    Welcome to the internet buddy. WoW isnt the only game with bad innorant people. Just So You Know. and from the look of your post, you seem to have a problem telling the difference from Fanboy and Hater. So I damn well dont trust your judgment of a MMORPG's community



     

    My comments in Red, Blue and Green,buddy

  • tro44_1tro44_1 Member Posts: 1,819
    Originally posted by grandpagamer


    Its not a hatred for WOW as much as it is for the defenders of the game.  No matter what the criticism  there are a few (everyone knows them well) that explain how the nay sayer is wrong and how everyone should be great full to be allowed to pay a monthly fee for such a marvelous game.  There are players that enjoy the game and its good they have a game they like, then there are worshipers who feel the need to defend and explain and beat down any derogatory statement made about the holy grail of games. This is what makes WOW suck so hard.



     

    What Teh Fulc?

    Have you been living under a Rock? Every MMORPG fanbase on this site have diahard fanboys.

    You should have been on WarhammerAliiance.com back during beta. If you had a opinion that something was bad about the game, you could get banned and flamed hard core. So this is a crappy excuse

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