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Completely agree.
I played WoW from release until just a bit after TBC's expansion. I quit because it got too easy AND mainly, because the community (What their was of one anyway) was a cesspool of ignorance and immaturity....for the most part.
I liked it back when I understood nothing about it. I was just exploring the world and crafting items and doing what ever feels good.. but after (maybe) 500-1000hours I just started leveling. And it's hella boring. I leveled, leveled, leveled, did instances for gear, leveled, leveled.. did nothing but instance/level because thats the best way to be good at the game. The leveling was boring from 20< and I just did it. I hated it!! But I had to do it.. It was always auto attack - alt tab - autorun - alt tab - auto attack - alt tab etc. Too many MMOs are nowadays like this but wow is the worst. I did over 5hour instances and it was hell boring and annyoing after 10minutes. JUST TO GET GOD DAMN WEAPON!? No... just no..
I agree with you somewhat. First of all, "grind is subjective." Farming the same raids, factions, heroics, BG's, Arenas, dailies, are grinds by any other name. It's a testament to Blizzard to add variety to the grind, but even that is short lived. Once people realized that Blizzard had created a whole new lvl of "carrot on a stick" approach, a lot of WoW players became more and more resentful.
I happen to be one of the players who loved Vanilla WoW but can't stand the WoW after WRATH. Even Cataclysm seems to be reinforcing the belief that Blizzard is only doing enough to maintain the status quo. In Cataclysm, you will see the same welfare epic approach. You will see the same grind. You will get a new raid every three months so that you can grind the same bosses for the 45th time hoping for the last piece of your 10th Tier Set. TENTH!!
Before WoW, games that were diamonds in the rough had a chance only because the community was willing to stick around for the game to show its promise. After WoW, that's an impossibility because the players no longer have the same patience or the perspective. And it's not because WoW was perfect when it released, far from it.
To a lot of people, WoW may have been a great game out the outset, but during these last 5 years, it's created a huge block of mmo players that are immature. Because WoW has been so successful, the WoW players that move from game to game became the vocal majority. Due to WoW success, game companies cave into their demands because they want their own mmo to have the same success as wow. We all know that's not possible, because immatation will never surpass the original, good or bad.
The only hope for players that have a bad taste in their mouth from WoW's influence is to see a game developer with a backbone that doesn't cave into the WoW transplants. Or worse yet, decides to follow WoW on its own.
I have mint chocolate chip :P
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=282 apply that to WoW, and thats part of it.
WoW has seemingly turned Classic MMORPG gaming (Emphasis on Community Interaction and long term goals) into "Niche" gaming with a heavily negative Connotation, in that no company should ever try to make a niche game because it won't have millions of suscribers. Which I heavily disagree with. WoW owns the mainstream market. To try and emulate WoW is dooming your game to failure, imo.
LOL, that is classic!
And I agree with the latter as well.
As most other people have said in this thread I don't hate WoW. I just did not find it fun any more.
I quit back in Feb of this year after hitting 80 and raiding for a while the game just lost something and wasn't much fun for me any more. I know alot of people still have fun so more power to em. I'm glad they can still enjoy the game. For me however the fun is gone and so am I.
If its fun I'll play. If not then why stay?
That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away and barefoot.
Hate? The negatives rule out the game for me or I won't play other games like it. Trusting such a company is unlikely too.
This whole topic really extends beyond WoW.
Too materialistic.
Have fun with that +1 damage obtained for 1200+ gold in repairs or inflated in game economics.
Re-deployed the grind.
Instead of being honest with an upfront grind past games which was commonly called the level grind.
Examples of the grind re-deployed are faction grind, grinding items to trade in at vendors for gear, pvp grind, et cetera and obnoxiously so forth. I honestly can't believe players fall for this or that I once did.
Killed exploration.
If you have to create achievements for encouraging exploration then what you have is the final achievement group remaining and the extinct group explorers still finished. Players are also expected to know dungeons before stepping in them even though is lies with the playerbase.
Peer to peer downloading.
Please allow me to directly download from servers without slower connections siphoning mine please.
End game raid system that encourages/encouraged players to increase(sing) rules on one another aka DKPs.
This falls back on materialism.
Just off the top those are some of my problems.
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My problem with WoW is the community, everyone is out for themselves and dont believe in helping anyone but themselves or a few close friends or whatever. I though MMOs were about overcoming challenges and helping out others, unforunately that does not apply to the players in WoW. If you are a new player or freshly mint 80, or took time off the game for whatever, you can forget about running any raids or instances. Basically the overgeared players are not going to want you in their groups because they dont what to (as they call it) carry any players. They want to steamroll the instance get their badges and be done with it, forgetting that the gear in those instances or raids would benefit their undergeared counterparts.
When i left WoW a few months ago i left in full T7, and at that point i was fed up with the stupid dps/achievement requirements that players were throwing out, and now i come back it has gotten even worst with the gearscore requirement, wth is a gearscore anyway. Players in WoW dont care about how well you can play your class or how skilled you are, they are more concerned about what gear you have. WoW is basically a gear over skill game now, no matter how easy blizzard make the game or how many improvements they make to it. The players in the game are going to always come up with ways to make it more of a hassle than what it really is, and that goes for dps meters, wow heroes, and even blizzards own addons ie armory, and the achievement system
I don't hate wow, but i am tired of the die-hard fanbase acting as if WoW started it all and everything after it is a clone. Right...
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
Seriously I am all for open discussion but when are these threads going to stop. Its very simple to answer the question..some people like some things and some people don't. there all taken care of.
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Dont confuse WoW fanboys for WoW Haters. This WoW clone thing started from the haters.
What? This site is made up of mostly WoW haters. If you dare say something good about WoW, prepare to get a big time Flame.
Iam not a WoW fanboy, but Iam not a WoW hater ether.
Fans are always blinded from the Problems.
and Haters are always blinded from the good things.
I may come along and suggest things/ ideas from WoW, or compare a game to WoW, thats because I want to see may other games improve to the polishness and options that WoW has gotten to. And hater never will admit something good that WoW has.
Iav seen post that flamed ideas such as:
Mounts--- AH---Paladin Class---Shoulder armor slots---- Fantasy Gear---Better Pet Control Bar---World PvP zones--- Sieges in PvP zones-- ext
And the responce towards ideas like this, have always been, "THIS IS NOT WOW!!! GO BACK TO WOW"
as if WoW invented any of these. This is why IMO MMORPGs fail now days, because the fanbase for these games are the only people developers listen to, yet these fanboys seem blinded by the idea, that any idea that isnt New/or was in the game already, must have been invited by WoW. So they go on an extreme hate craze.
exactly, my wife plays WoW and it looks decent especially the raiding part. but i just don't want to be associated with that crowd. they are the most obnoxious self righteous fans i have ever seen. if a new game isn't done exactly like WoW they will post about how WoW is much better, throw out sub numbers and all that jazz, to "warn" others from buying the game they are rallying against.
it is the only community that actually hopes other MMORPGs die. look at anytime there is a positive post about sub numbers or something from WAR, AOC or AION. you bet your sweet ass there will be SOMEONE digging through website after website or combing the words for any error to disprove the report.
ask them what MMO they are playing and i bet 90% of them will say WoW.
thats why I hate WoW it has nothing to do with the game, the Majority of its fans are assclowns that should have thier opinions VOIDED on any other MMORPG that is in developement. then maybe every MMO out there wont have to be exactly like WoW.
thats always amazes me you usually get posts "im so bored of WoW after 4 years im done with it" ... then a few sentences later "WoW does X, Y and Z like this, thus this game should do it like that too!"
if your so FN bored of WoW why are you trying to turn this game INTO WOW.
exactly, my wife plays WoW and it looks decent especially the raiding part. but i just don't want to be associated with that crowd. they are the most obnoxious self righteous fans i have ever seen. if a new game isn't done exactly like WoW they will post about how WoW is much better, throw out sub numbers and all that jazz, to "warn" others from buying the game they are rallying against.
it is the only community that actually hopes other MMORPGs die. look at anytime there is a positive post about sub numbers or something from WAR, AOC or AION. you bet your sweet ass there will be SOMEONE digging through website after website or combing the words for any error to disprove the report.
ask them what MMO they are playing and i bet 90% of them will say WoW.
thats why I hate WoW it has nothing to do with the game, the Majority of its fans are assclowns that should have thier opinions VOIDED on any other MMORPG that is in developement. then maybe every MMO out there wont have to be exactly like WoW.
thats always amazes me you usually get posts "im so bored of WoW after 4 years im done with it" ... then a few sentences later "WoW does X, Y and Z like this, thus this game should do it like that too!"
if your so FN bored of WoW why are you trying to turn this game INTO WOW.
Maybe thats because WoW is better then most of the crappy new games that have come out.
Warhammer for example. So If I said WoW is better then this, would that be a lie? maybe in some departments, but it has truth.
same applies for
AoC, Vanguard, ext
I can not say that I honestly hate WoW, since I played it for almost 4 years. But at the end of those 4 years I did get rid of the game which I have never done before! To me at least the problem with WoW is what the community has become since launch and what the developers have released that fed that mentality. In my time playing, across a bunch of servers and both factions, I saw numerous guilds fall apart over fighting for loot. I had friends that I meet and leveled with turn on each other over a sword that had a really low drop rate. After seeing all of this I realized that there really was no point in playing a MMO with this mentality! If I want to get cool loot I can play a single player game and not have to deal with all the back stabbing and fighting. After all a MMO is suppose to be about people too, that is the whole point of it being a massive multi-player game. It should not be about a endless cycle of gear and that gear being everything to the game.
So do I hate WoW? No!
Do I dislike what I saw the player base become and what the MMO industry for the most part has turned into? Yes! Which to me is kind of sad, since I use to be a big fan of blizzard (I loved playing Warcraft 1 and 2 when I was a teen), and now I will never buy another game from them that has a multi-player option.
No reason to dislike Blizzard. I am slightly upset they ruined the Warcraft lore from WC2 + 3, but I would say Diablo and StarCraft are still in good shape. Matter-of-fact, they aren't (at least yet) taking either of these games to the MMO scene, so I see no reason for the IP's to go down the drain like Warcraft did.
SC2 and D3 are going to be really great. SC2 might finally bring the staying power the RTS competitive scene really needs and Diablo 3 hopefully will bring a new experience to the multiplayer hack-n-slash the D2 still offers.
I don't hate Wow, but there are certainly things about the game that really annoy me. They annoy me to the point that I just log out and go play another game for a while.
1) FotM OP classes that have been OP since the release of the expansion. The class + gear creates such a margin vs other classes, that player skill is almost taken out of the equation altogether. They know that nearly every other player they face (that isn't their class) is gonna die, easily.
2) Spec's of classes that are seemingly underpowered in PvP, Arena, etc.,... There are a few class spec's that are just so 'underwhelming' that only a very small % of the players using those spec's are able to succeed. If these players want to see any serious degree of success in PvP-Arena's, then they are forced to play a spec that they simply dislike.
3)
I love how people hate on WoW for copying ideas from other games...
You do realize where 'Furor' and 'Tigole' come from, right? Right.
I dont hate wow and i never will. It has been a great experience for me and i cant thank blizzard enough for giving me that opportunity to have so much fun and meet so many great people.
We had a get-together not many days ago with all of our friends and old gamers whom which we've played with since release.
We listened to old ventrilo-recordings and watched old "boss kill" movies from Molten Core and Blackwing Lair. Just sitting there, hearing you and so many people you know like they we're your best friends, like 3-4 years ago having so much fun you cant even sit straight in the chair. Thats just something i believe im very fortunate to have, and no matter how good or bad the game might be im still happy for its existance.
Sadly, i have played it for so long that im abit tired of it right now. I have always appreciated the release's of the expansions, the very first weeks are to me always so much fun. Everyone getting together again, playing new classes or whatever, leveling together in new amazingly beautiful areas and just simply having a great time together.
So i will activate my subscription for Cataclysm, thats something im looking forward to alot. Though im not your regular wow-fanboy, i can agree on alot of things regarding wow. But thats just secondary, to me the socializing is far more important. As long as your not bored to death by what you are doing, having your friends there, sitting in vent chatting out talking about all kinds of nonsense makes it all so much easier.
Oh noes, i've done it again. My endless rambling.
Note that im writing this while listening to Youtube's WowMusicGuru' channel so i get abit over-sentimental
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exactly, my wife plays WoW and it looks decent especially the raiding part. but i just don't want to be associated with that crowd. they are the most obnoxious self righteous fans i have ever seen. if a new game isn't done exactly like WoW they will post about how WoW is much better, throw out sub numbers and all that jazz, to "warn" others from buying the game they are rallying against.
it is the only community that actually hopes other MMORPGs die. look at anytime there is a positive post about sub numbers or something from WAR, AOC or AION. you bet your sweet ass there will be SOMEONE digging through website after website or combing the words for any error to disprove the report.
ask them what MMO they are playing and i bet 90% of them will say WoW.
thats why I hate WoW it has nothing to do with the game, the Majority of its fans are assclowns that should have thier opinions VOIDED on any other MMORPG that is in developement. then maybe every MMO out there wont have to be exactly like WoW.
thats always amazes me you usually get posts "im so bored of WoW after 4 years im done with it" ... then a few sentences later "WoW does X, Y and Z like this, thus this game should do it like that too!"
if your so FN bored of WoW why are you trying to turn this game INTO WOW.
Have you ever listened to how you talk? You act in the same exact manner as the people you complain about. Is it any wonder why you have so many problems with "those" people? You are so busy casting stones at other people you have no idea of the glass house you live in.
I will go one step further to disagree with what you say. When someone purchases warhammer (for example) they become part of the warhammer community. People do not buy games so they can hope they fail. Furthermore the reason so many people (not just wow players) think games will fail, is because they have been. This is a natural reaction to developers releasing buggy thrashed unfinished games and swindling money from players with lies and hype.
You don't seem to understand that if a new game comes out and has massive performance issues, balance issues, serious lack of content, etc then yes, people are going to return to what offers a better experience. Yes they will make comparisons and the truth of those comparisons may upset you, but it is the truth. I'm fairly certain most people trying new games do NOT want another wow. If they did, they wouldn't not leave wow in the first place. Just to completely disagree with you, I think more people complain about how similar to wow most new games are and NOT that they want them to be more like wow. I don't think you could be further from the truth if you tried to be.
When companies start getting their act together and releasing quality games, players will stop complaining. Keep in mind it isn't just wow players complaining about the condition and future of games, it is universal. Despite how hard you try to pin all the flaws on the genre on one group of people, we all have very diverse backgrounds here.
because there was more grinding then fun for me...
and i believe that in a game i should have fun first of all.
The players themselves do that. The game doesn't force you to only accept 30Khp players that have all the achievements, the assbag players do that.
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The United States
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