Originally posted by Evasia Originally posted by daarco Originally posted by Ichmen umm im not sure how it is where your from, but to me a trial is free to download and use for X days. not pay X amount for X days. thats not a trial.. thats buying... doesnt matter if its 1cent or 1000billion. BUT its nice they are finally starting to offer trial bases.. sorta
Some people are never happy! LOL just joking. But you asked for it : )
Well i must say im not realy sure they should ask small payment it can still be a big hurdle for many and with maybe 7k paying customers EU/NA i think you should as developer not put up this kind of silly obstacles for people who just wanne try out the game. Sure 1$ is not much but i realy dont see need for that, specially at this stage we need all the players we can get.
Yeah, especially people like "werwer" and "sdfvxcvew" who want to offer really cheap gold to ppl playing DF. Not to mention that every player out there would make trial account(s) to gather stuff while playing main. They are protecting they current player base. I'm fine with that. And if someone don't want to spend $1 for one week of play then he is not interested in game anyway. That's like $4 for a month of play and people still call it robbery.
I've not read all the posts but this is a dumb idea. It's not the amount, my argument would be the same if it were one penny. It's the fact that it's a trial. Trial meaning try out. It should be free. I am not going to give my credit card info for a trial.
Let me put it this way: if it were free, I might try it. If it costs any amount above free, I will not try it. I'm not going to make up numbers but I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way. Therefore, the devs are shooting themselves in the foot with this. Yes, there are some valid arguments as to why, but they underweigh the counter-argument.
are you serious? charging people to just try out your product? that's highway robbery
i hope darkfall goes in the gutter soon
Sorry to disappoint you, but df is best option on market for many people wanting something different. You don't have to try that game. Besides if you would read at least couple of posts in this thread you would know why they are charging it.
are you serious? charging people to just try out your product? that's highway robbery
i hope darkfall goes in the gutter soon
Sorry to disappoint you, but df is best option on market for many people wanting something different. You don't have to try that game. Besides if you would read at least couple of posts in this thread you would know why they are charging it.
cause the game is failing?
here are a few items for all of you on this.
1. the vast majority of games do not allow you to "try it out" for free in the first place so chill out. I think out of all the games on my shelf only 2 had a stupid trial.
2. I gotta ask because I really want to know, if you are not playing DF what the F are you playing instead?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I've not read all the posts but this is a dumb idea. It's not the amount, my argument would be the same if it were one penny. It's the fact that it's a trial. Trial meaning try out. It should be free. I am not going to give my credit card info for a trial. Let me put it this way: if it were free, I might try it. If it costs any amount above free, I will not try it. I'm not going to make up numbers but I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way. Therefore, the devs are shooting themselves in the foot with this. Yes, there are some valid arguments as to why, but they underweigh the counter-argument.
If you don't want to spend ONE DOLLAR to try out the game, then obviously the game doesn't have any real appeal to you. If it had an ounce of appeal and you were looking for a game to play, you wouldn't bitch about a $1 fee for 7 days of play time.
For someone with nearly 400 posts, you are pretty damn ignorant. How many posts with extremely valid points about how a free trial could harm the integrity of the game do you have to ignore until you finally get it?
If you don't want to pay $1 to try the game out, then we don't want you playing our game. To anyone playing the game it is blindingly obvious why the trial is not free.
Originally posted by daarco C´mon, it is 2010. Soon will people complain you need internet as well : )
It's 2010 and so far more than ten thousand different videogames have managed to offer trials without charging. The fact that you're defending one of the only games in history to charge for the trial really paints you as an extreme DF fanboy. :P
Also, OP's link is pretty blantantly a referral link...would be nice to get that moderated.
it's 1$ for 7 days....are people really so cheap they can't spend 1$ for 7 days? And the price is more for making people put their payment info in there so AV can track down any hackers/gold farmers trying to use it and ban them and their mains.
It's not about being cheap (and besides, I've already tried and given up on DF)
Imagine a chart of "How many people will try a product vs. Cost?" When a product is free, tons of people are willing to try it. As soon as you move to the second value (where the trial costs any amount of money, such as $1) then you lose more than half of the people willing to try a product.
So it's not about being cheap, it's about criticizing bad business decisions (which result from bad game design models.)
And one could argue there's probably a 2nd chart that shows that people who are only willing to give the game a try if its totally free are .0095% likely to sub over the long term and those willing to shell out a buck are more at the 5-15% range.
It might not be about being cheap, but is surely is about standing on some moral principal that inhibits your opportunity to finally give the game a shot for next to nothing. (vs 50 bucks plus)
Or put another way, you are just trying very hard to find yet another way to criticize AV.
I've been accused of being a DFO troll in the past, but you must see how pointless this argument really is.
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$1? For a Trial? At first I thought the OP was kidding,but now I see he is not. I've wanted to try Darkfall for some time, but I think I'd rather wait until they offer a better trial offer. I don't pay for samples at a grocery store and I'm not about to pay for a sample on a MMORPG. And it has nothing to do with "We can't pay for it."
The way I see it, it's very simple. Aventurine did not have in mind a massive free trial. So instead of restricting the gameworld/economy/skills etc they made sure only some of the people interested in the game get to try it out, without the aforementioned impediments.
I think overall they played smart. People flooding such a low populated world would have potentially resulted in making current Darkfall subscribers very unhappy.
I can't seem to find info on their website, but is the $1 trial a subscription commitment if not cancelled before the end of the 7 days?
I.e., if you play for 7 days and do not cancel, you are then billed for the next month at a full commercial price?
If is it, I can see some people's concern.
If it is not, the $1 is a trivial expenditure and not so different from paying $5 to pre-order a game to get in a phase of open beta. I still won't play DF, but this doesn't seem to be a terrible idea to get more people in and make a few $$$s at the same time.
greedy vultures is all ive to say....ripping out a dollar for a trial is just lame and cheesy
No, it's called them wanting to protect their current playerbase, us vets don't want a bunch of gold farmers/hackers on alt accounts.
And for the last time the 1$ is meant just so they can charge the card make sure it's valid and if you hack on it they can black list that card....are people really this stupid/cheap.
Hey everyone, Ok so about 20 minutes ago, the company behind Darkfall is now offering a 7-day trial for new players for only $1. Click Here to go to the Darkfall website. This is your chance to see what the game is all about and it really won't be costing you guys anything. If you are MMO hopping as I was a few weeks ago, I recommend you give Darkfall a try. I am really enjoying it so far because it is much different than anything else out there that I have tried. Some tips I have for new players is to bank your loot often. When starting out, don't hold on to more than 100 gold without banking. And save your Arrows as well, unless you are skilling up your archery in the beginning. And prepare to be addicted Also, I recommend that you play with headphones. Sound is VERY important in this game because you gotta keep your ears open for approaching PKers. If you listen well, you should be able to avoid gankers no problem. The only downside I have to the game so far is that it can take quite awhile to skill up to catch up to people that have been playing for awhile. But this is no different than any other MMO. Hope to see you all in game, I am on my 3rd week and having a blast. Let me know if you have any questions about the game, I haven't been playing that long but I'll do what I can to help new players out
Haha to even charge for a trial? Then its not a trial. And I dont care about the money I can buy 10 copies just for the sake of it.
But now when I see how greedy they are about it I will NEVER .. EVER.. play Darkfall or give them 1 cent.
I can't seem to find info on their website, but is the $1 trial a subscription commitment if not cancelled before the end of the 7 days? I.e., if you play for 7 days and do not cancel, you are then billed for the next month at a full commercial price? If is it, I can see some people's concern. If it is not, the $1 is a trivial expenditure and not so different from paying $5 to pre-order a game to get in a phase of open beta. I still won't play DF, but this doesn't seem to be a terrible idea to get more people in and make a few $$$s at the same time.
At the end of the 7 day trial, you have to buy the $50 software to continue playing. It's not a sub cost.
I can't seem to find info on their website, but is the $1 trial a subscription commitment if not cancelled before the end of the 7 days? I.e., if you play for 7 days and do not cancel, you are then billed for the next month at a full commercial price? If is it, I can see some people's concern. If it is not, the $1 is a trivial expenditure and not so different from paying $5 to pre-order a game to get in a phase of open beta. I still won't play DF, but this doesn't seem to be a terrible idea to get more people in and make a few $$$s at the same time.
You still have to pay for the full client (which includes a unique product key), so you would have no way to access the game after the 7 days. I can't imagine they automatically charge you for the 30 days following the end of the trial if you don't have any way to access the game.
I cannot believe the amount of people here posting that this is a money grab.
You guys cannot be serious. This is to force a valid credit card, not scam people out of a dollar. As someone else mentioned, the credit card processing fees take up almost all of that dollar.
The majority of posts in this thread reek of ignorance.
This thread has shown me just how many gamers don't have jobs. Weird...
Even if that were the case, finding $1 in a couch cushion is easy. Heck, you could probably get $1 out of a soda machine coin slot if you searched hard enough. But that isn't the issue here.
But you're just an ignorant person, so I guess I can't blame you.
And the community here at mmorpg.com will suprise me ALOT if there is no moaning about the 1 €/$ price for this trial. I will go so far to say that I will put a "Im sorry about my smack talk" in my sign if I wont find any complain.
I can't seem to find info on their website, but is the $1 trial a subscription commitment if not cancelled before the end of the 7 days? I.e., if you play for 7 days and do not cancel, you are then billed for the next month at a full commercial price? If is it, I can see some people's concern. If it is not, the $1 is a trivial expenditure and not so different from paying $5 to pre-order a game to get in a phase of open beta. I still won't play DF, but this doesn't seem to be a terrible idea to get more people in and make a few $$$s at the same time.
no, you do not get charged for 1 month sub after the 7 days but if you want to continue playing you have to buy the full version after the 7 days (I'm 90% sure that you can use your trial character on your real account if you choose to upgrade).
Haha to even charge for a trial? Then its not a trial. And I dont care about the money I can buy 10 copies just for the sake of it.
But now when I see how greedy they are about it I will NEVER .. EVER.. play Darkfall or give them 1 cent.
Thanks for the info !
1$ is what about 60pence for me? I just spent that on a newspaper on the way home. If you can't cough up 1$ then you obviously have absolutely zero interest in the game in the first place.
Hey everyone, Ok so about 20 minutes ago, the company behind Darkfall is now offering a 7-day trial for new players for only $1. Click Here to go to the Darkfall website. This is your chance to see what the game is all about and it really won't be costing you guys anything. If you are MMO hopping as I was a few weeks ago, I recommend you give Darkfall a try. I am really enjoying it so far because it is much different than anything else out there that I have tried. Some tips I have for new players is to bank your loot often. When starting out, don't hold on to more than 100 gold without banking. And save your Arrows as well, unless you are skilling up your archery in the beginning. And prepare to be addicted Also, I recommend that you play with headphones. Sound is VERY important in this game because you gotta keep your ears open for approaching PKers. If you listen well, you should be able to avoid gankers no problem. The only downside I have to the game so far is that it can take quite awhile to skill up to catch up to people that have been playing for awhile. But this is no different than any other MMO. Hope to see you all in game, I am on my 3rd week and having a blast. Let me know if you have any questions about the game, I haven't been playing that long but I'll do what I can to help new players out
Haha to even charge for a trial? Then its not a trial. And I dont care about the money I can buy 10 copies just for the sake of it.
But now when I see how greedy they are about it I will NEVER .. EVER.. play Darkfall or give them 1 cent.
Thanks for the info !
I'm sure if you ran a company, you wouldn't care at all about turning a profit.
Why do you people always scream and shout about corporate greed when a company is just doing what it was made to do, make money. It's not greed, is business. You may as well say everywhere you shop is greedy with that kind of a shitty attitude.
aaah... you hateful people. You will never suprise me. If you dont understand why there is a 1 f r e a k i n g €/$ charge for the trial then there is something wrong with you.
This thread has shown me just how many gamers don't have jobs. Weird...
Even if that were the case, finding $1 in a couch cushion is easy. Heck, you could probably get $1 out of a soda machine coin slot if you searched hard enough. But that isn't the issue here.
But you're just an ignorant person, so I guess I can't blame you.
I'd love to have you elaborate on how I'm an ignorant person. I beg of you even.
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LOL just joking. But you asked for it : )
Well i must say im not realy sure they should ask small payment it can still be a big hurdle for many and with maybe 7k paying customers EU/NA i think you should as developer not put up this kind of silly obstacles for people who just wanne try out the game.
Sure 1$ is not much but i realy dont see need for that, specially at this stage we need all the players we can get.
Yeah, especially people like "werwer" and "sdfvxcvew" who want to offer really cheap gold to ppl playing DF. Not to mention that every player out there would make trial account(s) to gather stuff while playing main. They are protecting they current player base. I'm fine with that. And if someone don't want to spend $1 for one week of play then he is not interested in game anyway. That's like $4 for a month of play and people still call it robbery.
I've not read all the posts but this is a dumb idea. It's not the amount, my argument would be the same if it were one penny. It's the fact that it's a trial. Trial meaning try out. It should be free. I am not going to give my credit card info for a trial.
Let me put it this way: if it were free, I might try it. If it costs any amount above free, I will not try it. I'm not going to make up numbers but I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way. Therefore, the devs are shooting themselves in the foot with this. Yes, there are some valid arguments as to why, but they underweigh the counter-argument.
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cause the game is failing?
cause the game is failing?
here are a few items for all of you on this.
1. the vast majority of games do not allow you to "try it out" for free in the first place so chill out. I think out of all the games on my shelf only 2 had a stupid trial.
2. I gotta ask because I really want to know, if you are not playing DF what the F are you playing instead?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
If you don't want to spend ONE DOLLAR to try out the game, then obviously the game doesn't have any real appeal to you. If it had an ounce of appeal and you were looking for a game to play, you wouldn't bitch about a $1 fee for 7 days of play time.
For someone with nearly 400 posts, you are pretty damn ignorant. How many posts with extremely valid points about how a free trial could harm the integrity of the game do you have to ignore until you finally get it?
If you don't want to pay $1 to try the game out, then we don't want you playing our game. To anyone playing the game it is blindingly obvious why the trial is not free.
It's 2010 and so far more than ten thousand different videogames have managed to offer trials without charging. The fact that you're defending one of the only games in history to charge for the trial really paints you as an extreme DF fanboy. :P
Also, OP's link is pretty blantantly a referral link...would be nice to get that moderated.
it's 1$ for 7 days....are people really so cheap they can't spend 1$ for 7 days? And the price is more for making people put their payment info in there so AV can track down any hackers/gold farmers trying to use it and ban them and their mains.
It's not about being cheap (and besides, I've already tried and given up on DF)
Imagine a chart of "How many people will try a product vs. Cost?" When a product is free, tons of people are willing to try it. As soon as you move to the second value (where the trial costs any amount of money, such as $1) then you lose more than half of the people willing to try a product.
So it's not about being cheap, it's about criticizing bad business decisions (which result from bad game design models.)
And one could argue there's probably a 2nd chart that shows that people who are only willing to give the game a try if its totally free are .0095% likely to sub over the long term and those willing to shell out a buck are more at the 5-15% range.
It might not be about being cheap, but is surely is about standing on some moral principal that inhibits your opportunity to finally give the game a shot for next to nothing. (vs 50 bucks plus)
Or put another way, you are just trying very hard to find yet another way to criticize AV.
I've been accused of being a DFO troll in the past, but you must see how pointless this argument really is.
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Hope they add some more goblins for these people...
$1? For a Trial? At first I thought the OP was kidding,but now I see he is not. I've wanted to try Darkfall for some time, but I think I'd rather wait until they offer a better trial offer. I don't pay for samples at a grocery store and I'm not about to pay for a sample on a MMORPG. And it has nothing to do with "We can't pay for it."
greedy vultures is all ive to say....ripping out a dollar for a trial is just lame and cheesy
The way I see it, it's very simple. Aventurine did not have in mind a massive free trial. So instead of restricting the gameworld/economy/skills etc they made sure only some of the people interested in the game get to try it out, without the aforementioned impediments.
I think overall they played smart. People flooding such a low populated world would have potentially resulted in making current Darkfall subscribers very unhappy.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
This thread has shown me just how many gamers don't have jobs. Weird...
I can't seem to find info on their website, but is the $1 trial a subscription commitment if not cancelled before the end of the 7 days?
I.e., if you play for 7 days and do not cancel, you are then billed for the next month at a full commercial price?
If is it, I can see some people's concern.
If it is not, the $1 is a trivial expenditure and not so different from paying $5 to pre-order a game to get in a phase of open beta. I still won't play DF, but this doesn't seem to be a terrible idea to get more people in and make a few $$$s at the same time.
No, it's called them wanting to protect their current playerbase, us vets don't want a bunch of gold farmers/hackers on alt accounts.
And for the last time the 1$ is meant just so they can charge the card make sure it's valid and if you hack on it they can black list that card....are people really this stupid/cheap.
Haha to even charge for a trial? Then its not a trial. And I dont care about the money I can buy 10 copies just for the sake of it.
But now when I see how greedy they are about it I will NEVER .. EVER.. play Darkfall or give them 1 cent.
Thanks for the info !
At the end of the 7 day trial, you have to buy the $50 software to continue playing. It's not a sub cost.
You still have to pay for the full client (which includes a unique product key), so you would have no way to access the game after the 7 days. I can't imagine they automatically charge you for the 30 days following the end of the trial if you don't have any way to access the game.
I cannot believe the amount of people here posting that this is a money grab.
You guys cannot be serious. This is to force a valid credit card, not scam people out of a dollar. As someone else mentioned, the credit card processing fees take up almost all of that dollar.
The majority of posts in this thread reek of ignorance.
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Even if that were the case, finding $1 in a couch cushion is easy. Heck, you could probably get $1 out of a soda machine coin slot if you searched hard enough. But that isn't the issue here.
But you're just an ignorant person, so I guess I can't blame you.
Finally a trial!
And the community here at mmorpg.com will suprise me ALOT if there is no moaning about the 1 €/$ price for this trial. I will go so far to say that I will put a "Im sorry about my smack talk" in my sign if I wont find any complain.
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no, you do not get charged for 1 month sub after the 7 days but if you want to continue playing you have to buy the full version after the 7 days (I'm 90% sure that you can use your trial character on your real account if you choose to upgrade).
Haha to even charge for a trial? Then its not a trial. And I dont care about the money I can buy 10 copies just for the sake of it.
But now when I see how greedy they are about it I will NEVER .. EVER.. play Darkfall or give them 1 cent.
Thanks for the info !
1$ is what about 60pence for me? I just spent that on a newspaper on the way home. If you can't cough up 1$ then you obviously have absolutely zero interest in the game in the first place.
Haha to even charge for a trial? Then its not a trial. And I dont care about the money I can buy 10 copies just for the sake of it.
But now when I see how greedy they are about it I will NEVER .. EVER.. play Darkfall or give them 1 cent.
Thanks for the info !
I'm sure if you ran a company, you wouldn't care at all about turning a profit.
Why do you people always scream and shout about corporate greed when a company is just doing what it was made to do, make money. It's not greed, is business. You may as well say everywhere you shop is greedy with that kind of a shitty attitude.
aaah... you hateful people. You will never suprise me. If you dont understand why there is a 1 f r e a k i n g €/$ charge for the trial then there is something wrong with you.
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Even if that were the case, finding $1 in a couch cushion is easy. Heck, you could probably get $1 out of a soda machine coin slot if you searched hard enough. But that isn't the issue here.
But you're just an ignorant person, so I guess I can't blame you.
I'd love to have you elaborate on how I'm an ignorant person. I beg of you even.