This site can put their two cents into anything they want ..... I really don't care that SC2 isn't an MMO. I think some just think it's cool to be a drama queen.
P.S. Since it's cool to say anything we want as long as we don't say someone is actually something I'd like to add the one editor is acting like a real douche. The guy is acting like a complete tool. Also, he's acting like someone with no accountability, which is what people who aren't even slightly journalists in any way, shape or form act like. We may have the nerd version of O'Reilly on our hands. Acting like.
I love this site, I get ALL my gaming information from here, and in general, I always liked what the staff at mmorpg had to say and with the reviews., I have been happy with this site till now,..You guys make up rules for us to follow, fairly simple ones at that, easy to follow, sure but are they always followed? To answer your question No, but for the staff themselves to break those rules is completely wrong, for example,
" Anything short of this and you are just a pathetic excuse for a human being - and you display no integrity for yourself at all. "
Honestly, you could have worded that better and have put it in a less intrusive,insulting manner, because stuff like that apparently is'nt tolerated from your site? is it?
I admit, even myself I get frustrated as well with some people on this site, but then I look at it this way, just breath relax, step away from the computer go outside and take a walk, whatever cools you down. Having worked for Microsoft myself, and being a Moderator for the Xbox live site and zune site I can tell you that not one of us ( From Microsoft ) have ever used that approach with customers, clients ect....
Maybe you should go back to the drawing board with those rules and regulations you have inplace for trolling and intrusive behavior, because what you just showed us right in the paragraph,.. was everything you were trying to prevent.
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No, I don't believe I broke our own rules at all. I simply stated that anyone who blindly accuses anyone of something without having any facts whatsoever is a pathetic excuse for a human being (breaking our rules would be directly insulting someone - if the poster has evidence that we did such a terrible thing then he does not fit my profile and it was not directed at him). This is not a direct insult to the person I was replying to. I think anyone who acts this way is a sad case.
I have put my all into this website for nearly a decade and we have taken massive efforts with both myself in the ad sales area and our editorial team to make sure this site will never stoop to levels of "advertorial" content or selling the rights to coverage in any way shape or form. When someone comes along and accuses us of something that is is frankly disgusting to this team it is the act of a pathetic person indeed. This applies to anyone, anywhere who accuses another person or entity of something that attacks their character without having any proof of it. This of course is a rampant problem on the Internet due to its anonimity which gives people courage of great levels.
Imagine if someone just started shouting out that you cheated on your husband/wife/girlfriend/etc at a social gathering without any proof - just because they figured they know it all - you are attractive and ALL attractive people cheat, right? This is a uncalled for attack on your character and if you did not beat the crap out of them I assume you would feel they were a pathetic excuse for a human being, no? ;-)
I think anyone who would claim to be a journalist of any caliber wouldn't get into pissing matches with readers because they felt slighted. They would be a real pathetic, douche of a human if they did that then hid behind their title of Admin. I mean, seriously, acting like. No one likes a bully. You're in the business of reporting on things related to MMOs, not defending yourself from the interwebs. Act like it or lose even more credibility.
This review is awful. From the perspective of a Starcraft player it simply appears ignorant. I found it simplistic, uninformative, and badly researched. The reviewer attempts to compare the game to Starcraft 1 but fails due to his lack of knowledge about the game.
This game deserves some attention but read a review from someone who knows what they're talking about: www.teamliquid.net
Exactly.
That was a nice rephrasing of what I observed on the first page on this thread (playing for 15 minutes, have absolutely NOTHING to say and still want to "cover" something).
In rereading the last pages I certainly think the mods have lost all control of their own forums. Breaking the rules and calling out names which would bring any other member to the brink of being banned for very long period of times.
But ... the post above is not the only thing to considor. Apart from the fact it was non informative, it was proof mmorgp.com GOT a first view from Blizzard and so ... apparently the site "fulfilled" its role of "reporting" about the game.
So perhaps the site owner has indeed very beautiful eyes and was that the reason why they got a sneak peek from Blizzard and talked about a non mmorpg game ... or some other convincing arguments were used.
So mmorpg.com fulfilled its role ... reluctantly.
So they published a full page on SC2 (with the obvious result of saying nothing), got the thing out and that's it.
The post I upped above, shows what it was all about... A non info but "job done".
Everybody can make up his/her own conclusions.
For me it's obvious and in accordance of what I have been stating in the past: who exactly owns mmorpg.com and its money stream and which companies are behind it?
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
For me it's obvious and in accordance of what I have been stating in the past: who exactly owns mmorpg.com and its money stream and which companies are behind it?
We don't hide this at all camp11111 - the site is owned entirely by Cyber Creations Inc. - this is a company I founded myself in 1997 and is now shared ownership with my business partner Ben Krueger - whom has been my friend since we were in high school.
This company/website has zero affiliation with any game developers or publishers. Well, I guess that is not entirely true - we did venture into that browser game "Clan Wars" (formely Disciple) - but that never really panned out.
I hope this answers your big question. The ownership records are not hidden - you can look them up for yourself ;-)
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
Cyber Creations Inc is a private company categorized under Computer Programming Services and located in Kailua Kona, HI. Our records show it was established in 2005* and incorporated in Hawaii*. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $500,000 to $1 million...
Estimates of 1 million dollars, since it is a private company, nobody knows it exactly really.
Must be pretty beautiful eyes for the chief editor.
Now I only can say this: with a title of mmorpg.com it is NOT what the name implies it to be . Far from objective.
It is big business.
Guys like Scott Jennings (ex Mythic and until now free lancer for NCsoft (!) - of course ! ) are not cheap either I think.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
Well I think the Company of the wolf blog pretty much sums up how most folks feel give it a read at http://companyofthewolf.org/?p=114 gamers today aren't ignorant to the shady dealings that go on in the media, and honestly if these sites didn't act like they were hiding somthing no one would accuse them of it.
Starcraft was one of the first games I ever played as a gamer and I'm pretty glad they did a piece of Starcraft 2. I hope they do more on the game since the game is one of the best rts games ever made. I have no issus whatsoever with mmorpg.com doing pieces on non mmos because mmo gamers play non mmos too!
Starcraft was one of the first games I ever played as a gamer and I'm pretty glad they did a piece of Starcraft 2. I hope they do more on the game since the game is one of the best rts games ever made. I have no issus whatsoever with mmorpg.com doing pieces on non mmos because mmo gamers play non mmos too!
Besides, considering its made by a company that is also a mmorpg developer, I think its totally relevant to this site as well.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
I love this site, I get ALL my gaming information from here, and in general, I always liked what the staff at mmorpg had to say and with the reviews., I have been happy with this site till now,..You guys make up rules for us to follow, fairly simple ones at that, easy to follow, sure but are they always followed? To answer your question No, but for the staff themselves to break those rules is completely wrong, for example,
" Anything short of this and you are just a pathetic excuse for a human being - and you display no integrity for yourself at all. "
Honestly, you could have worded that better and have put it in a less intrusive,insulting manner, because stuff like that apparently is'nt tolerated from your site? is it?
I admit, even myself I get frustrated as well with some people on this site, but then I look at it this way, just breath relax, step away from the computer go outside and take a walk, whatever cools you down. Having worked for Microsoft myself, and being a Moderator for the Xbox live site and zune site I can tell you that not one of us ( From Microsoft ) have ever used that approach with customers, clients ect....
Maybe you should go back to the drawing board with those rules and regulations you have inplace for trolling and intrusive behavior, because what you just showed us right in the paragraph,.. was everything you were trying to prevent.
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No, I don't believe I broke our own rules at all. I simply stated that anyone who blindly accuses anyone of something without having any facts whatsoever is a pathetic excuse for a human being (breaking our rules would be directly insulting someone - if the poster has evidence that we did such a terrible thing then he does not fit my profile and it was not directed at him). This is not a direct insult to the person I was replying to. I think anyone who acts this way is a sad case.
I have put my all into this website for nearly a decade and we have taken massive efforts with both myself in the ad sales area and our editorial team to make sure this site will never stoop to levels of "advertorial" content or selling the rights to coverage in any way shape or form. When someone comes along and accuses us of something that is is frankly disgusting to this team it is the act of a pathetic person indeed. This applies to anyone, anywhere who accuses another person or entity of something that attacks their character without having any proof of it. This of course is a rampant problem on the Internet due to its anonimity which gives people courage of great levels.
Imagine if someone just started shouting out that you cheated on your husband/wife/girlfriend/etc at a social gathering without any proof - just because they figured they know it all - you are attractive and ALL attractive people cheat, right? This is a uncalled for attack on your character and if you did not beat the crap out of them I assume you would feel they were a pathetic excuse for a human being, no? ;-)
I think anyone who would claim to be a journalist of any caliber wouldn't get into pissing matches with readers because they felt slighted. They would be a real pathetic, douche of a human if they did that then hid behind their title of Admin. I mean, seriously, acting like. No one likes a bully. You're in the business of reporting on things related to MMOs, not defending yourself from the interwebs. Act like it or lose even more credibility.
Edit: Typing is hard.
Admin: this site is not your girlfriend. It's a website. Think your analogies through before making them. I mean, it's cool that you've poured a ton of work and love upon it but if you bring a few hundred thousand people on it, expect criticism of all types all the time. Do you think newspapers everywhere and journalists don't receive hatemail ALL THE BLOODY TIME? And do they publish childish rants in defense? Do they say "anyone who attacks my journalistic work is a pathetic excuse of a human being because they don't know me"? Indeed we don't know you, and that's why suspicions will arise. We are not a community of 'your pals' and shit. We're people who have opinions, and since you've given us a forum to express them, we will exercise the right to do so. Otherwise just close up shop and be like those online magazines with no comments section.
It's also cool you've been really great with this site and whatever, and haven't turned it into an advert machine... but then act professionally. Like some others have already called upon your 'yeah well there's many people interested in this game' argument, have a bit of a professional overview, because, after all, this is your work, and this is intended to be a "serious" site, not a blog. You don't see PC Gamer covering Xbox titles because 'a majority of their readers are interested in xbox titles too'. They're professionals and therefore have a clear theme to their magazine; they chose to specialize and stick with it. That's why all the suspicions have risen, because you stopped acting professionally for a while and chose to act like a blog while people expect a professional site. You don't see people accusing an xbox blogger of selling out when he/she covers a pc game and says beforehand "well I like this shit too" because it's a personal venture, not a corporate one.
So stop being an asshole with people and going into gung-ho defensive mode because they're making accusations. They're making accusations for a reason. What are you going to DO about it? What you SAY is not enough, and now that you've gone to the edge of insulting posters, your words are almost meaningless. And when I refer to doing, it's not power-centered moderation shit. It's about your website as a whole. Ask yourself (yourselves) why it's happening, instead of whining back like the men-children you're acting out to be right now.
Reiterating what someone already said, take your stand, either you're a general gaming website or you're not. It's simple, and that's how professionals work and think.
I fail to see where Admin was unprofessional by calling a spade a spade. This is what boggles me about this community. We all watch day in and day out, as posters constantly belittle others, flame each other and behave (to put it plainly) like douches. We tear into this site, MMO devs and each other without prejudice. Yet we wonder why at times they bite back.
There is also a huge difference between calling someone a douche and pointing out when they are acting like one. That's what admin did, he pointed out a user was behaving in a manner only a douche would. That's not saying hey you're a douche, that's saying "dude, please stop acting like one".
We created the environment that is MMORPG.com, the site directors didn't. It's our responsiblity as a community to respect those who have given us a place to chat, and post our grievances as well as each other. I'm not seeing that, I'm seeing consumers who think they can say and do what ever they want without inccident. I'm also seeing users who think they run MMORPG.com, rather than MMORPG.com running itself.
This thread just goes to show why these forums are filled with nothing but hate and bile. It shows there's a total lack of respect for fellow users as well as those who have given us this place we so love to visit. I'm glad they've finally had enough of it, as hopefully things are going to be changing around here.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I fail to see where Admin was unprofessional by calling a spade a spade. This is what boggles me about this community. We all watch day in and day out, as posters constantly belittle others, flame each other and behave (to put it plainly) like douches. We tear into this site, MMO devs and each other without prejudice. Yet we wonder why at times they bite back.
There is also a huge difference between calling someone a douche and pointing out when they are acting like one. That's what admin did, he pointed out a user was behaving in a manner only a douche would. That's not saying hey you're a douche, that's saying "dude, please stop acting like one".
We created the environment that is MMORPG.com, the site directors didn't. It's our responsiblity as a community to respect those who have given us a place to chat, and post our grievances as well as each other. I'm not seeing that, I'm seeing consumers who think they can say and do what ever they want without inccident. I'm also seeing users who think they run MMORPG.com, rather than MMORPG.com running itself.
This thread just goes to show why these forums are filled with nothing but hate and bile. It shows there's a total lack of respect for fellow users as well as those who have given us this place we so love to visit. I'm glad they've finally had enough of it, as hopefully things are going to be changing around here.
Did you read all the "pathetic human being" part of the thread? The initial 'you're being a douche' was OK, but at the middle of the thread the admin did direct an insult, and a grave one, to a poster. If that's not unprofessional then I don't know what kind of work environment you're into and I envy it, because there's plenty of idiots I'd like to insult at work without being fired. The admin even has the gall to say that the insult was kinda thrown in the poster's general direction and not to him and end up the post with a smiley. For god's sake.
And come on, if they want our respect, they shouldn't get all emotional over some stupid guy's "this site suxxx" response. They could've left it at "you're acting like a douche". They could've, pretty damn easily by the way, left it at "we haven't sold out, this is not us trying to get some random google search people into our website" instead of going "you're a pathetic human being because you're trying to call us out without proof".
All the bile in these forums is by now legendary. Literally legendary. I still see a flame here and there but the community in general is OK, and like any other, with its highs and lows all the time. And now it's pretty funny that the site's managers themselves fell prey to it and even exercised it.
"I'm also seeing users who think they run MMORPG.com, rather than MMORPG.com running itself." - websites are composed of content creators and a public that receives that content. The website also has these forums so that said public expresses its opinion about that content. If you want to leave the public out of running the website, then make a blog, disable commentaries. That way the content is completely controlled by the creators, who on intuition and whim go ahead and write up stuff. Websites like this one works the other way around, so the idea of "MMORPG.com running itself" is partially a fallacy. It is also run by the interests of its public, which are, you guessed it, MMOs. Otherwise why did you think the editor in chief said that 'many visitors of this site are interested in this game and so we ran this piece on it'?
So for the sake of balance, are we going to see reviews of other RTS games from other companies, or are you doing this because Starcraft II is a Blizzard game?
After this... how the f*ck are we going to expect "fair and balanced" reviews of mmorpgs in this site when you are doing such exception for Blizzard?
So for the sake of balance, are we going to see reviews of other RTS games from other companies, or are you doing this because Starcraft II is a Blizzard game?
After this... how the f*ck are we going to expect "fair and balanced" reviews of mmorpgs in this site when you are doing such exception for Blizzard?
There were articles about dragon age too. Its not about starcraft or the RTS genre. I think that every game released by a company that has stakes in the mmorpg world will have articles here. I think they are relevant, and if you dont like them you dont have to read them. And who cares about reviews anyway. They are just another person's opinion.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Guys, we're not listing the game, we're just doing an article on it. If you think a ton of MMO gamers aren't also looking toward Blizzard's RTS, you're wrong. We do our best to bring stories that are going to be of interest to our readers and we think that this is. We did the same thing with Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age.
If you're not interested in reading about non-MMOs, then don't click on it.
I come here for MMO information. I goto other gaming sites which specialized in other games (or are general gaming information) for non MMO games.
So add me to the WTF crowd. If you aren't going to specialize anymore then what does MMORPG.com offer?
Did you read all the "pathetic human being" part of the thread? The initial 'you're being a douche' was OK, but at the middle of the thread the admin did direct an insult, and a grave one, to a poster. If that's not unprofessional then I don't know what kind of work environment you're into and I envy it, because there's plenty of idiots I'd like to insult at work without being fired. The admin even has the gall to say that the insult was kinda thrown in the poster's general direction and not to him and end up the post with a smiley. For god's sake.
And come on, if they want our respect, they shouldn't get all emotional over some stupid guy's "this site suxxx" response. They could've left it at "you're acting like a douche". They could've, pretty damn easily by the way, left it at "we haven't sold out, this is not us trying to get some random google search people into our website" instead of going "you're a pathetic human being because you're trying to call us out without proof".
All the bile in these forums is by now legendary. Literally legendary. I still see a flame here and there but the community in general is OK, and like any other, with its highs and lows all the time. And now it's pretty funny that the site's managers themselves fell prey to it and even exercised it.
"I'm also seeing users who think they run MMORPG.com, rather than MMORPG.com running itself." - websites are composed of content creators and a public that receives that content. The website also has these forums so that said public expresses its opinion about that content. If you want to leave the public out of running the website, then make a blog, disable commentaries. That way the content is completely controlled by the creators, who on intuition and whim go ahead and write up stuff. Websites like this one works the other way around, so the idea of "MMORPG.com running itself" is partially a fallacy. It is also run by the interests of its public, which are, you guessed it, MMOs. Otherwise why did you think the editor in chief said that 'many visitors of this site are interested in this game and so we ran this piece on it'?
Honestly if you feel that way i don't know what to say, aside from why visit? MMORPG.com runs their site how they see fit, this isn't the first time that Admin has been vocal toward criticism and I doubt it will be the last. In his own words he finds such accusations to be offensive which says he will react to them in this manner any time they are made.
You're acting as though he wasn't provoked in the first place. Ever heard the saying, "don't start nothin' won't be nothin"? I think it very much applies to this situation. Lets remember how this started, and not forget it.
All I can say is I wasn't offended as it wasn't me who was criticized by Admin.
As for your last paragraph, there is no fallacy, as it is very much Admin and the employees of this site who dictate what content will be posted to this site. We can choose to read it or not, that's the point that has been laid out for us by those who run this site. They'd rather lose you than have you dictate anything that goes on here, deal with it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
ive played the demo was one of the few lucky beta testers and i can say that all in all a 9.5 out of 10. personally a little worried about the system specs. game turned full up looks amazing, turned down past med settings tho and starts to look like craphola!!, the races seem balanced well still some tits and tats they need to work out , unit skills are inventive and add a new demension to the game the 3d terrian also adds this effect. playing a old shcool comp stomp map with friends on sc2 will be one of the best experiances you could have in a RTS in 2010, also cant wait for them to start making matrix d , rpgs and other UMS maps will be Epic
Total Annihilation was 10x better than Starcraft. I'll stick to RTS games by Gas Powered Games and Chris Taylor over a follow up to a piece of crap like StarCraft.
Total Annihilation was 10x better than Starcraft. I'll stick to RTS games by Gas Powered Games and Chris Taylor over a follow up to a piece of crap like StarCraft.
Well that is your opinion, but I think you are far in the minority with that statement. Most of us would probably tell you the original Starcraft was better...
In before "this is not an MMO! why is this here? what is this site coming to!"
Oh crap. Nevermind.
It's here because it's Blizzard. And Blizzard is our Brangelina.
If Blizzard flashed a nipple, adopted a foreign baby or expressed an opinion on the best way to fertilize gourds, it would be news.
But seriously...
I consider this newsworthy. Blizzard were huge in the gaming industry before WoW and they've obviously done well with their single MMO. And after WoW launched and started making them stupidly wealthy... they stopped making other games.
So the fact that they're now working on sequels to the non-MMOs that they were earlier famous for is interesting. This is especially true since what we normally hear as news is offline game developers trying to crack into the (lucrative) MMO industry.
Why now?
Do projections show WoW's profits slowing? The last statistics I saw showed WoW still growing, but that growth was slowing and the rest of the MMO market had overtaken WoW on growth.
Is there a consumer perception that they're outdated and possibly out of touch, not having released a new game for such a long time?
Are their figures showing renewed in offline games?
They marketed WoW extremely well and essentially created 12 million new mmo players. Do they have some kind of cunning marketing plan to sell these new offline games to a similarly expanded audience?
Or are they just so stupidly wealthy that they can afford to create these sequels on a whim, with no thought for profitability? Are they now the gaming industry's equivalent of an independently wealthy artist capable and content to create new works as and how they please?
Playing for ... 15 minutes and then concluding "...is that if you enjoyed the first one, you're going to love this one...".
And fill a complete page on mmorpg.com
... and getting paid...
Who else wants to have soma cake please ?
That's fifteen minutes more play time than most people have had. He also states in the article that he witnessed a good deal of play time as well.
This was the play time we were granted by Blizzard, so that's what was reported on. You don't have to be a douche about it.
You really don't understand the average reader you've attracted to your website do you? The community you have is the community you allowed to grow and flourish.
They hate your articles, they hate your opinions, they think you are a shill and a sell out. But you provide these morons something they have on very few other forums: the ability to spout their disenfranchised, unfounded, judgemental, immature opinions freely without getting banned for being a such a douche.
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Lack of good MMOs?
In some cases, but then in others it seems to be a lack of sun light.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This site can put their two cents into anything they want ..... I really don't care that SC2 isn't an MMO. I think some just think it's cool to be a drama queen.
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*I should have read more! Someone beat me to it.
P.S. Since it's cool to say anything we want as long as we don't say someone is actually something I'd like to add the one editor is acting like a real douche. The guy is acting like a complete tool. Also, he's acting like someone with no accountability, which is what people who aren't even slightly journalists in any way, shape or form act like. We may have the nerd version of O'Reilly on our hands. Acting like.
I think anyone who would claim to be a journalist of any caliber wouldn't get into pissing matches with readers because they felt slighted. They would be a real pathetic, douche of a human if they did that then hid behind their title of Admin. I mean, seriously, acting like. No one likes a bully. You're in the business of reporting on things related to MMOs, not defending yourself from the interwebs. Act like it or lose even more credibility.
Edit: Typing is hard.
Exactly.
That was a nice rephrasing of what I observed on the first page on this thread (playing for 15 minutes, have absolutely NOTHING to say and still want to "cover" something).
In rereading the last pages I certainly think the mods have lost all control of their own forums. Breaking the rules and calling out names which would bring any other member to the brink of being banned for very long period of times.
But ... the post above is not the only thing to considor. Apart from the fact it was non informative, it was proof mmorgp.com GOT a first view from Blizzard and so ... apparently the site "fulfilled" its role of "reporting" about the game.
So perhaps the site owner has indeed very beautiful eyes and was that the reason why they got a sneak peek from Blizzard and talked about a non mmorpg game ... or some other convincing arguments were used.
So mmorpg.com fulfilled its role ... reluctantly.
So they published a full page on SC2 (with the obvious result of saying nothing), got the thing out and that's it.
The post I upped above, shows what it was all about... A non info but "job done".
Everybody can make up his/her own conclusions.
For me it's obvious and in accordance of what I have been stating in the past: who exactly owns mmorpg.com and its money stream and which companies are behind it?
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
This post editor software is now total clownshoes.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
We don't hide this at all camp11111 - the site is owned entirely by Cyber Creations Inc. - this is a company I founded myself in 1997 and is now shared ownership with my business partner Ben Krueger - whom has been my friend since we were in high school.
This company/website has zero affiliation with any game developers or publishers. Well, I guess that is not entirely true - we did venture into that browser game "Clan Wars" (formely Disciple) - but that never really panned out.
I hope this answers your big question. The ownership records are not hidden - you can look them up for yourself ;-)
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
Writing an 'article' about a game after recieving ANY benefit for doing so (even just playing a demo) will cause suspicions of bias.
"The Emperor's wife must be above suspicion."
"Justice must not only be DONE, it must be SEEN to be done."
The recent behaviour by the staff of this site has been unprofessional.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Cyber Creations Inc Business Information
Cyber Creations Inc is a private company categorized under Computer Programming Services and located in Kailua Kona, HI. Our records show it was established in 2005* and incorporated in Hawaii*. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of $500,000 to $1 million...
Estimates of 1 million dollars, since it is a private company, nobody knows it exactly really.
Must be pretty beautiful eyes for the chief editor.
Now I only can say this: with a title of mmorpg.com it is NOT what the name implies it to be . Far from objective.
It is big business.
Guys like Scott Jennings (ex Mythic and until now free lancer for NCsoft (!) - of course ! ) are not cheap either I think.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
Well I think the Company of the wolf blog pretty much sums up how most folks feel give it a read at http://companyofthewolf.org/?p=114 gamers today aren't ignorant to the shady dealings that go on in the media, and honestly if these sites didn't act like they were hiding somthing no one would accuse them of it.
Starcraft was one of the first games I ever played as a gamer and I'm pretty glad they did a piece of Starcraft 2. I hope they do more on the game since the game is one of the best rts games ever made. I have no issus whatsoever with mmorpg.com doing pieces on non mmos because mmo gamers play non mmos too!
Besides, considering its made by a company that is also a mmorpg developer, I think its totally relevant to this site as well.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Admin: this site is not your girlfriend. It's a website. Think your analogies through before making them. I mean, it's cool that you've poured a ton of work and love upon it but if you bring a few hundred thousand people on it, expect criticism of all types all the time. Do you think newspapers everywhere and journalists don't receive hatemail ALL THE BLOODY TIME? And do they publish childish rants in defense? Do they say "anyone who attacks my journalistic work is a pathetic excuse of a human being because they don't know me"? Indeed we don't know you, and that's why suspicions will arise. We are not a community of 'your pals' and shit. We're people who have opinions, and since you've given us a forum to express them, we will exercise the right to do so. Otherwise just close up shop and be like those online magazines with no comments section.
It's also cool you've been really great with this site and whatever, and haven't turned it into an advert machine... but then act professionally. Like some others have already called upon your 'yeah well there's many people interested in this game' argument, have a bit of a professional overview, because, after all, this is your work, and this is intended to be a "serious" site, not a blog. You don't see PC Gamer covering Xbox titles because 'a majority of their readers are interested in xbox titles too'. They're professionals and therefore have a clear theme to their magazine; they chose to specialize and stick with it. That's why all the suspicions have risen, because you stopped acting professionally for a while and chose to act like a blog while people expect a professional site. You don't see people accusing an xbox blogger of selling out when he/she covers a pc game and says beforehand "well I like this shit too" because it's a personal venture, not a corporate one.
So stop being an asshole with people and going into gung-ho defensive mode because they're making accusations. They're making accusations for a reason. What are you going to DO about it? What you SAY is not enough, and now that you've gone to the edge of insulting posters, your words are almost meaningless. And when I refer to doing, it's not power-centered moderation shit. It's about your website as a whole. Ask yourself (yourselves) why it's happening, instead of whining back like the men-children you're acting out to be right now.
Reiterating what someone already said, take your stand, either you're a general gaming website or you're not. It's simple, and that's how professionals work and think.
I fail to see where Admin was unprofessional by calling a spade a spade. This is what boggles me about this community. We all watch day in and day out, as posters constantly belittle others, flame each other and behave (to put it plainly) like douches. We tear into this site, MMO devs and each other without prejudice. Yet we wonder why at times they bite back.
There is also a huge difference between calling someone a douche and pointing out when they are acting like one. That's what admin did, he pointed out a user was behaving in a manner only a douche would. That's not saying hey you're a douche, that's saying "dude, please stop acting like one".
We created the environment that is MMORPG.com, the site directors didn't. It's our responsiblity as a community to respect those who have given us a place to chat, and post our grievances as well as each other. I'm not seeing that, I'm seeing consumers who think they can say and do what ever they want without inccident. I'm also seeing users who think they run MMORPG.com, rather than MMORPG.com running itself.
This thread just goes to show why these forums are filled with nothing but hate and bile. It shows there's a total lack of respect for fellow users as well as those who have given us this place we so love to visit. I'm glad they've finally had enough of it, as hopefully things are going to be changing around here.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Did you read all the "pathetic human being" part of the thread? The initial 'you're being a douche' was OK, but at the middle of the thread the admin did direct an insult, and a grave one, to a poster. If that's not unprofessional then I don't know what kind of work environment you're into and I envy it, because there's plenty of idiots I'd like to insult at work without being fired. The admin even has the gall to say that the insult was kinda thrown in the poster's general direction and not to him and end up the post with a smiley. For god's sake.
And come on, if they want our respect, they shouldn't get all emotional over some stupid guy's "this site suxxx" response. They could've left it at "you're acting like a douche". They could've, pretty damn easily by the way, left it at "we haven't sold out, this is not us trying to get some random google search people into our website" instead of going "you're a pathetic human being because you're trying to call us out without proof".
All the bile in these forums is by now legendary. Literally legendary. I still see a flame here and there but the community in general is OK, and like any other, with its highs and lows all the time. And now it's pretty funny that the site's managers themselves fell prey to it and even exercised it.
"I'm also seeing users who think they run MMORPG.com, rather than MMORPG.com running itself." - websites are composed of content creators and a public that receives that content. The website also has these forums so that said public expresses its opinion about that content. If you want to leave the public out of running the website, then make a blog, disable commentaries. That way the content is completely controlled by the creators, who on intuition and whim go ahead and write up stuff. Websites like this one works the other way around, so the idea of "MMORPG.com running itself" is partially a fallacy. It is also run by the interests of its public, which are, you guessed it, MMOs. Otherwise why did you think the editor in chief said that 'many visitors of this site are interested in this game and so we ran this piece on it'?
WHAT THE...?
So for the sake of balance, are we going to see reviews of other RTS games from other companies, or are you doing this because Starcraft II is a Blizzard game?
After this... how the f*ck are we going to expect "fair and balanced" reviews of mmorpgs in this site when you are doing such exception for Blizzard?
There were articles about dragon age too. Its not about starcraft or the RTS genre. I think that every game released by a company that has stakes in the mmorpg world will have articles here. I think they are relevant, and if you dont like them you dont have to read them. And who cares about reviews anyway. They are just another person's opinion.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
I come here for MMO information. I goto other gaming sites which specialized in other games (or are general gaming information) for non MMO games.
So add me to the WTF crowd. If you aren't going to specialize anymore then what does MMORPG.com offer?
Honestly if you feel that way i don't know what to say, aside from why visit? MMORPG.com runs their site how they see fit, this isn't the first time that Admin has been vocal toward criticism and I doubt it will be the last. In his own words he finds such accusations to be offensive which says he will react to them in this manner any time they are made.
You're acting as though he wasn't provoked in the first place. Ever heard the saying, "don't start nothin' won't be nothin"? I think it very much applies to this situation. Lets remember how this started, and not forget it.
All I can say is I wasn't offended as it wasn't me who was criticized by Admin.
As for your last paragraph, there is no fallacy, as it is very much Admin and the employees of this site who dictate what content will be posted to this site. We can choose to read it or not, that's the point that has been laid out for us by those who run this site. They'd rather lose you than have you dictate anything that goes on here, deal with it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
ive played the demo was one of the few lucky beta testers and i can say that all in all a 9.5 out of 10. personally a little worried about the system specs. game turned full up looks amazing, turned down past med settings tho and starts to look like craphola!!, the races seem balanced well still some tits and tats they need to work out , unit skills are inventive and add a new demension to the game the 3d terrian also adds this effect. playing a old shcool comp stomp map with friends on sc2 will be one of the best experiances you could have in a RTS in 2010, also cant wait for them to start making matrix d , rpgs and other UMS maps will be Epic
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Total Annihilation was 10x better than Starcraft. I'll stick to RTS games by Gas Powered Games and Chris Taylor over a follow up to a piece of crap like StarCraft.
Well that is your opinion, but I think you are far in the minority with that statement. Most of us would probably tell you the original Starcraft was better...
It's here because it's Blizzard. And Blizzard is our Brangelina.
If Blizzard flashed a nipple, adopted a foreign baby or expressed an opinion on the best way to fertilize gourds, it would be news.
But seriously...
I consider this newsworthy. Blizzard were huge in the gaming industry before WoW and they've obviously done well with their single MMO. And after WoW launched and started making them stupidly wealthy... they stopped making other games.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/
So the fact that they're now working on sequels to the non-MMOs that they were earlier famous for is interesting. This is especially true since what we normally hear as news is offline game developers trying to crack into the (lucrative) MMO industry.
Why now?
Do projections show WoW's profits slowing? The last statistics I saw showed WoW still growing, but that growth was slowing and the rest of the MMO market had overtaken WoW on growth.
Is there a consumer perception that they're outdated and possibly out of touch, not having released a new game for such a long time?
Are their figures showing renewed in offline games?
They marketed WoW extremely well and essentially created 12 million new mmo players. Do they have some kind of cunning marketing plan to sell these new offline games to a similarly expanded audience?
Or are they just so stupidly wealthy that they can afford to create these sequels on a whim, with no thought for profitability? Are they now the gaming industry's equivalent of an independently wealthy artist capable and content to create new works as and how they please?
You really don't understand the average reader you've attracted to your website do you? The community you have is the community you allowed to grow and flourish.
They hate your articles, they hate your opinions, they think you are a shill and a sell out. But you provide these morons something they have on very few other forums: the ability to spout their disenfranchised, unfounded, judgemental, immature opinions freely without getting banned for being a such a douche.