Meh, it is all about knowledge of the game and New Eden.
Every 'problem' you listed or perceived is solvable and life in low sec can be quite easily adjusted to your needs.
Low sec is an excellent place for new players to start if they have capable guidance or they are simply capable themselves.
You say it is solvable, but you don't post a solution to most of them.
Open a trial for yourself, forget your old connectionss, try to base your decisions on the knowlegde accumulated on the trial and you will see the problem.
The problem is: great majority of people leave since they don't and won't see a solution to their problems.
Do they leave? Yes they do.
Please, Gdemami: Show me how to manufacture useful modules to newbies who cannot fit T2?
Please, Gdemami: Show me how to make new players happy with a "first BS for you" manufactured for them, when rewards from pew pew increased so dramatically that they already bought a faction BS?
You said these problems are solvable, and I am waiting for your solution.
Well PC gamer readers clearly represents all of the pc gaming community... Or just the ones who actually still buy magazines when you can find everything for free online.
I didnt even know this poll was taking place, as such the results are meaningless.
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Originally posted by Enerla You say it is solvable, but you don't post a solution to most of them. Open a trial for yourself, forget your old connectionss, try to base your decisions on the knowlegde accumulated on the trial and you will see the problem. The problem is: great majority of people leave since they don't and won't see a solution to their problems. Do they leave? Yes they do. Please, Gdemami: Show me how to manufacture useful modules to newbies who cannot fit T2? Please, Gdemami: Show me how to make new players happy with a "first BS for you" manufactured for them, when rewards from pew pew increased so dramatically that they already bought a faction BS? You said these problems are solvable, and I am waiting for your solution.
People not being able to solve problems is not a game issue. It is a personal issue and as such you can't do much about it. All you can do is to offer them a play style better fitting their nature.
If someone wants to live in low sec, they will find their way.
Q1 Show me how to manufacture useful modules to newbies who cannot fit T2?
Why do you 'need' to manufacture modules for newbies?
Q2 Show me how to make new players happy with a "first BS for you" manufactured for them, when rewards from pew pew increased so dramatically that they already bought a faction BS?
Same as above, it does not make much sense to me...
As far as I can read what you say, you seem to be doing something that is simply not working. Solution? Stop doing it...
Heh I took down a dude in a megathron with my ishkur last week. "you are much more powerful than you think"
lol!
A assualt ship takes about 30 days to train into. So many people dont realize the capabilities of their own ships.
You see small ships kicking larger ships asses all the time. As a small ship expert one of the first things you learn is how to lock and kick the shit out of drones asap.
But how do you make money to finance running frigates in t1 or even t2 in PvP?
Running missions on a bcrusier / bship or mining?
I just hate that part lol.
But i guess you have to make money right and fleet actions / pvp / piracy alone aren't enough to finance one's self?
And I'm very intimidated by joining a corp being such a rookie...
I was mostly flying solo trying to have some fun and occasionaly would join up with some fellow rookies to find some decent piracy pvp...
I'm sorry, but that makes me wonder how many people voted on the poll in total; there are so many epic classics on the PC that EvE really doesn't deserve to be #3, nor does Half-Life 2 (although an epic game as well) deserve to be #1, same with FO3 (why FO3 over FO1&2 in the first place?)...
I disagree HL2 is probably the best Fps game ever released on the platform.
You don't understand why FO3 was voted over FO1/2? well those original games are old. I would bet my life that if you toss a thousand people in a room with all three games for a a few hours and have them vote FO3 would win easily.
Looking at the poll I dont think people are thinking about time periods when they voted. They are comparing games now.
Mass effect destroys all PC rpgs before if u put them side by side right now. most of you guys are trying to think back and vote on how you felt about the game then.
Stack a game from the 90s against one from 2000s and the newer games will win everytime when the voting isnt being done by us old players with nostalgia glasses on.
I played FO3, then the original games, AFTER beating FO3.
I felt the originals only lacked visually, but that was acceptable as they were old games.
Otherwise they immersed me, made me think and still maintained a rather open environment for me to travel about.
Graphics mean so much to today average gamer. I personally enjoyed all the FO games but we are a very small meaningless minority.
You often here QQ over games graphics being dated and not immersing the gamer, the average gamer has always been this way.
Graphics > combat> and somewhere way down the line is depth and options. current gamers just dont care.
Originally posted by heerobya But how do you make money to finance running frigates in t1 or even t2 in PvP? Running missions on a bcrusier / bship or mining? I just hate that part lol. But i guess you have to make money right and fleet actions / pvp / piracy alone aren't enough to finance one's self? And I'm very intimidated by joining a corp being such a rookie... I was mostly flying solo trying to have some fun and occasionaly would join up with some fellow rookies to find some decent piracy pvp...
PVP is not really profitable unless you do it for profit - shooting haulers and faction fitted mission runners.
2 weeks old newbie pilot should be able to make +3M per hour with low sec ratting.
That is the most accessible and simplest way to make ISK for new pilots and should be more than sufficient income.
As far as I can read what you say, you seem to be doing something that is simply not working. Solution? Stop doing it...
As far as I can read: Eve was meant to be a sandbox game, where what we create does matter, and it is important, and this attracted lots of industralists too the game, who came for this.
You say most of these stuff doesn't work anymore.
3 years ago people were happy with some of the ships I gave them, and the rewards from the missions weren't enough to get best stuff, so help from an indiustralist was valuable.
Now it isn't.
Something that was made eve a great game isn't working anymore. Something that led people playing eve doesn't work now. Something that kept people who will fuel your PoS happy isn't working anymore, and many warrior types have to fuel the pos even if they don't like it as result.
Isn't that a problem?
You said it can be solved easily.
People came to eve to do these things, not doing these things doesn't solve the problem for them.
Solution isn't accepted, problem stays. Anyother solution?
In last 7 years, rewards for pew pew increased dramatically, but what you can do industry wise weren't changed as much, and if we want to keep industrialists (and woman) to eve we should make sure industry is equal again and build even more to the sandbox nature of eve.
PVP is not really profitable unless you do it for profit - shooting haulers and faction fitted mission runners.2 weeks old newbie pilot should be able to make +3M per hour with low sec ratting.That is the most accessible and simplest way to make ISK for new pilots and should be more than sufficient income.
Can you be a little more specific?
Like going into 0.0 sec and killing PvE pirate NPC's in Asteroid fields or going after haulers and other frig's and such in low sec?
Originally posted by Enerla As far as I can read: Eve was meant to be a sandbox game, where what we create does matter, and it is important, and this attracted lots of industralists too the game, who came for this. You say most of these stuff doesn't work anymore. 3 years ago people were happy with some of the ships I gave them, and the rewards from the missions weren't enough to get best stuff, so help from an indiustralist was valuable. Now it isn't. Something that was made eve a great game isn't working anymore. Something that led people playing eve doesn't work now. Something that kept people who will fuel your PoS happy isn't working anymore, and many warrior types have to fuel the pos even if they don't like it as result. Isn't that a problem? You said it can be solved easily. People came to eve to do these things, not doing these things doesn't solve the problem for them. Solution isn't accepted, problem stays. Anyother solution? In last 7 years, rewards for pew pew increased dramatically, but what you can do industry wise weren't changed as much, and if we want to keep industrialists (and woman) to eve we should make sure industry is equal again and build even more to the sandbox nature of eve.
I do not say it doesn't work.
All I say it(probably) works not the way you would like.
Mission rewards 3 years ago were practically the same as they are now. The 'best' stuff is still T2. Industrialist are still important to the game as they were ever. People are still happy with ships given out in insurance programs. People were bitching about POS fueling even 3 years ago.
When I said it can be solved easily, it was in context of living in low sec and I still stand my claim.
In last 7 years, pew pew rewards increased as much as increased the resource and industrial needs for new ships.
EVE is a sandbox more than ever because it gains complexity and options with(almost every expansion.
Lordmonkus: Should I quote your first post where you said I should leave eve?
Because it isn't for me...
And sadly you fail to grasp: financing things, industry is part of PVP in Eve.
This is why it is sandboxed.
When you would have to support population in your outpost, etc. to keep your system developed further and creating things en masse would required in nullsec that would mean industrialists are more welcome in nullsec and the economical warfare (part of PVP) in eve would be stronger.
It doesn't move away from PVP.
But YOU claim that by saying bringing back ECONOMICAL WARFARE and Competitive (PVP) elements of industry to the level it originaly was in Eve and promote more of the economical / industral wars between alliances as more pvp option is making the game PVE. You make up stuff, and lie about your first responses. Again, the pot calls the kettle black problem...
I would say EvE is by far best MMO atm ( yes i did play wow for 3 years and now i play eve for 1.5 years and i am really sad i played wow after vanila ) ... i would not compare it to the classic games however.
Think FO3 shit and other new all hyped up stuff so high on list is a bit stupid.
And WOW is really really bad atm ... i think allods free game is fucking better then WoW atm. So EvE > WOW and a lot of other MMOs > WOW it is not even achivement how blizzard fucked it up. But EVE would be top 30 games of all time wow would not be even in top 100 if you ask me ... last good thing wow got was arenas and that was like 3 years ago or so ? LOL throw spam more instances and loots gear reset nothing new just grind grind grind idiotic. WOW is koreant grind game and of story.
EvE on the other had was empty game at the start much like wow but blizzard stoped adding good stuff after TBC lunch... and CCP constantly was adding a lot of new stuff so EvE and is still adding ( PI etc ) atm has much more rich enviroment then wow that stopped with arenas and emerald dragons or what not.
Originally posted by heerobya Can you be a little more specific? Like going into 0.0 sec and killing PvE pirate NPC's in Asteroid fields or going after haulers and other frig's and such in low sec?
Low sec is security are rated from 0.1 to 0.4. Those areas are protected by sentry guns at gates and stations only and does not provide Concord support.
Ratting is a term used to describe the killing NPCs at asteroid belts.
For catching juicy targets in low sec, you would then need a ship that can tank sentry fire - T2 cruiser and larger or a ship that can compete with faction fitted mission runner.
The other method would be suicide battleship squads in high sec.
I'm sorry, but that makes me wonder how many people voted on the poll in total; there are so many epic classics on the PC that EvE really doesn't deserve to be #3, nor does Half-Life 2 (although an epic game as well) deserve to be #1, same with FO3 (why FO3 over FO1&2 in the first place?)...
I disagree HL2 is probably the best Fps game ever released on the platform.
You don't understand why FO3 was voted over FO1/2? well those original games are old. I would bet my life that if you toss a thousand people in a room with all three games for a a few hours and have them vote FO3 would win easily.
Looking at the poll I dont think people are thinking about time periods when they voted. They are comparing games now.
Mass effect destroys all PC rpgs before if u put them side by side right now. most of you guys are trying to think back and vote on how you felt about the game then.
Stack a game from the 90s against one from 2000s and the newer games will win everytime when the voting isnt being done by us old players with nostalgia glasses on.
I played FO3, then the original games, AFTER beating FO3.
I felt the originals only lacked visually, but that was acceptable as they were old games.
Otherwise they immersed me, made me think and still maintained a rather open environment for me to travel about.
I played Mass Effect and FO3 and i felt that they are dumped down RPGs ... people think that if you have OMFG TWO OPTIONS good and evil its something special... in Baldurs Gate you had like 7 or 8 options in every dialog LOL... and much much better story lines... graphic and gameplay in those game is better but they are more action games then true RPGs ... they have some RPG elements but again more action and gameplay focus on them. They seam so good for people who did not play good RPG because they are just average and market is over saturated with retarded games. So in mass of bad shit average games seam good. FO3 for me was actually really boring i felt i played oblivion ( another over hyped epic fail ). Mass Effect one was better but i felt like i am playing console game with no really big depth.
I played Mass Effect and FO3 and i felt that they are dumped down RPGs ... people think that if you have OMFG TWO OPTIONS good and evil its something special... in Baldurs Gate you had like 7 or 8 options in every dialog LOL... and much much better story lines... graphic and gameplay in those game is better but they are more action games then true RPGs ... they have some RPG elements but again more action and gameplay focus on them. They seam so good for people who did not play good RPG because they are just average and market is over saturated with retarded games. So in mass of bad shit average games seam good. FO3 for me was actually really boring i felt i played oblivion ( another over hyped epic fail ). Mass Effect one was better but i felt like i am playing console game with no really big depth.
Like going into 0.0 sec and killing PvE pirate NPC's in Asteroid fields or going after haulers and other frig's and such in low sec?
Low sec is security are rated from 0.1 to 0.4.
Those areas are protected by sentry guns at gates and stations only and does not provide Concord support.
Ratting is a term used to describe the killing NPCs at asteroid belts.
For catching juicy targets in low sec, you would then need a ship that can tank sentry fire - T2 cruiser and larger or a ship that can compete with faction fitted mission runner.
The other method would be suicide battleship squads in high sec.
PvP is profitable if you know how to do it. My corp has made like several bilion isk camping tribute atm Northern coalition are falling into web traps on gates http://wepra.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=4451 52 milion damage i think over 15bil isk in loot in just 2 weeks for like 20 of us or so we can sustain our losses and even have a lot to make corp stronger but stuff etc.
A lot of people are not understanding what EvE really is ... EvE is political and economic strategy focused MMO simulator. And in it there are infinite ways to make money and money is power. On top of that playing even without strong human relationship is not worth it... it is actually required for good fun ... something totally deferent then other MMOs where you can get group of people to into instance and only thing you will say is you tank that and i dps that etc finish instance and never see them again. In EvE you have to make bond with other people and to trust them because you are putting a lot on the line no matter are you doing PvP or PVE or roleplaying etc.
I played Mass Effect and FO3 and i felt that they are dumped down RPGs ... people think that if you have OMFG TWO OPTIONS good and evil its something special... in Baldurs Gate you had like 7 or 8 options in every dialog LOL... and much much better story lines... graphic and gameplay in those game is better but they are more action games then true RPGs ... they have some RPG elements but again more action and gameplay focus on them. They seam so good for people who did not play good RPG because they are just average and market is over saturated with retarded games. So in mass of bad shit average games seam good. FO3 for me was actually really boring i felt i played oblivion ( another over hyped epic fail ). Mass Effect one was better but i felt like i am playing console game with no really big depth.
You know Bioware did Baldur's Gate right?
Like that matters i know blizard made wow vanila and now it made wotlk epic fail , and they made starcraft best rts for me of all time so what ...blizard is now huge company grinding money ... starcraft 2 feels good however
bioware does make best stories ATM on the market but that does not mean they are good for me just average RPG stuff , not retarded like other stuff but that does not mean you can compare it to the classics... i felt they are bit shallow. KOTOR for instance is far superior game i did not mention.
99% of the games that come out this days call rpg for cool factor where they dont have even slightest clue what rpg really is it is not caracter progresion etc ...
Interesting. Yet only about 300k gamers actually play Eve where as 11 million people play WoW.
Seems like alot of people like Eve on paper but not actually playing it. I for one love Eve on paper, sandbox, FFA PvP, real economy, but actually playing it is just boring...
Don't get me wrong, I hate WoW, yet it strikes me odd that Eve is voted so high yet so few actually plays it.
I would say I'm one of those people who like EVE on paper but have no interest in playing it.
I've tried it several times but in the end thought that it wasn't for me. In any case, gratz to EVE, it deserves it for many reasons.
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Eve is a game that started with great potential and has great potential if CCP would build on it, otherwise it is a "missed opportunity".
A lots of people try Eve, perhaps it is on scale of wow players, because its amazing potential, but it sadly fails to deliver some ofthe unique values it promises to these players and ends up as a huge disappointment.
And nothing is worse than disappointed players leaving the game we all love.
While you might wanted to aim a mentality to go away, you directed that comment towards me, perhaps that is how you created the impression.
Maybe you seen too many wow fans who want changes and "jumped the gun" when seen someone who wants changes to eve and didn't understand why I want the changes. And your prejudice and your bad first reaction led to an impression. Want to give this dicussion a fresh start?
I would say I'm one of those people who like EVE on paper but have no interest in playing it.
I've tried it several times but in the end thought that it wasn't for me. In any case, gratz to EVE, it deserves it for many reasons.
I would say, Eve looks like the single most promising game with excellent ideas and goals (and plans) in MMO industry, and this is why we love it. But it isn't executed well, this is why a lot of people try it several times but leave it behind without finding much fun in it. This is why it needs far more polish, and we need to fix some issues.
This list was definitely player polled (and it looks like the average PC Gamer read is only around 16 years old). All of the top games in the list are fairly recent. Genre-changing games like Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment, the original Fallout, Tomb Raider, King's Quest, Ultima Underwold, Thief, and System Shock are either low on the list or missing completely. Meanwhile, the top ten is dominated by FPS games. Not to mention MMOs and their expansions have separate entries, which is just silly in my opinion.
The PC Gamer Editorial Top 100 is a FAR better list.
Eve is a game that started with great potential and has great potential if CCP would build on it, otherwise it is a "missed opportunity".
This is where out opinions are differing. Eve is still a game with amazing potential and we are only now starting to see what the potential truly is. There is no missed opportunity here at all, CCP is growing as a company and is the biggest independant game devolper in the world today. I see this as capatlizing on an under serviced segment of the gaming market.
A lots of people try Eve, perhaps it is on scale of wow players, because its amazing potential, but it sadly fails to deliver some ofthe unique values it promises to these players and ends up as a huge disappointment.
Again I do not belive this is CCPs or the games fault. This is more to do with the fact people bring their previous MMO experience into Eve and try and super impose it on top and therefor treat Eve like these other games, this does not work and they leave feeling lost and frustrated, not the games fault though.
And nothing is worse than disappointed players leaving the game we all love.
I agree, it does sadden me when I posts like some people post about how they want to like Eve but they just can't get into it for whatever reason. It's those people that do understand why Eve is so good and respect the game I feel sad for. But absolutely have no time for the WoW people that want the game changed to be more like WoW. (I am not directing this statement at you, but the obvious trolls that litter these forums)
While you might wanted to aim a mentality to go away, you directed that comment towards me, perhaps that is how you created the impression.
I have to admit that it came off directed towards you but in reality it was directed at the WoW zombies and more specifically those people who write articles and shit about attracting more females to Eve. Let me quote from my orignal post.
"They shouldn't be entitled "how to attract more females" they should be "how to attract the superficial instant gratification trendoids". Sure there aren't many females playing Eve just like there arent that many people in general compared to other games. Eve is a niche market game for a reason and has nothing to do with gender but a mindset."
Maybe you seen too many wow fans who want changes and "jumped the gun" when seen someone who wants changes to eve and didn't understand why I want the changes. And your prejudice and your bad first reaction led to an impression. Want to give this dicussion a fresh start?
You are partially correct here, I have seen far too many WoW fans wanting to change this game to be something it's meant to be. Far too many people with their personal selfish agenda to care about the game as a whole.
Did I jump the gun so to speak ? That is very possible, I am can be a very strong willed thick headed opinionated "prick" for the lack of a better word, just ask some one my WoW guildies LOL. But those same people will generally tell you while I may word things wrong and come off too strong my core intentions and beliefs are very often correct.
I think our discussion is actually getting somewhere.
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You say it is solvable, but you don't post a solution to most of them.
Open a trial for yourself, forget your old connectionss, try to base your decisions on the knowlegde accumulated on the trial and you will see the problem.
The problem is: great majority of people leave since they don't and won't see a solution to their problems.
Do they leave? Yes they do.
Please, Gdemami: Show me how to manufacture useful modules to newbies who cannot fit T2?
Please, Gdemami: Show me how to make new players happy with a "first BS for you" manufactured for them, when rewards from pew pew increased so dramatically that they already bought a faction BS?
You said these problems are solvable, and I am waiting for your solution.
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Who cares for Eve anyways? Wurm made it to 20. I'm much more happy for Wurm than I am for Eve tbh.
as much as I like fo3 and hl2
they don't belong on all time pc favorite.
they just don't
Well PC gamer readers clearly represents all of the pc gaming community... Or just the ones who actually still buy magazines when you can find everything for free online.
I didnt even know this poll was taking place, as such the results are meaningless.
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People not being able to solve problems is not a game issue. It is a personal issue and as such you can't do much about it. All you can do is to offer them a play style better fitting their nature.
If someone wants to live in low sec, they will find their way.
Q1
Show me how to manufacture useful modules to newbies who cannot fit T2?
Why do you 'need' to manufacture modules for newbies?
Q2
Show me how to make new players happy with a "first BS for you" manufactured for them, when rewards from pew pew increased so dramatically that they already bought a faction BS?
Same as above, it does not make much sense to me...
As far as I can read what you say, you seem to be doing something that is simply not working. Solution? Stop doing it...
But how do you make money to finance running frigates in t1 or even t2 in PvP?
Running missions on a bcrusier / bship or mining?
I just hate that part lol.
But i guess you have to make money right and fleet actions / pvp / piracy alone aren't enough to finance one's self?
And I'm very intimidated by joining a corp being such a rookie...
I was mostly flying solo trying to have some fun and occasionaly would join up with some fellow rookies to find some decent piracy pvp...
Graphics mean so much to today average gamer. I personally enjoyed all the FO games but we are a very small meaningless minority.
You often here QQ over games graphics being dated and not immersing the gamer, the average gamer has always been this way.
Graphics > combat> and somewhere way down the line is depth and options. current gamers just dont care.
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PVP is not really profitable unless you do it for profit - shooting haulers and faction fitted mission runners.
2 weeks old newbie pilot should be able to make +3M per hour with low sec ratting.
That is the most accessible and simplest way to make ISK for new pilots and should be more than sufficient income.
As far as I can read: Eve was meant to be a sandbox game, where what we create does matter, and it is important, and this attracted lots of industralists too the game, who came for this.
You say most of these stuff doesn't work anymore.
3 years ago people were happy with some of the ships I gave them, and the rewards from the missions weren't enough to get best stuff, so help from an indiustralist was valuable.
Now it isn't.
Something that was made eve a great game isn't working anymore. Something that led people playing eve doesn't work now. Something that kept people who will fuel your PoS happy isn't working anymore, and many warrior types have to fuel the pos even if they don't like it as result.
Isn't that a problem?
You said it can be solved easily.
People came to eve to do these things, not doing these things doesn't solve the problem for them.
Solution isn't accepted, problem stays. Anyother solution?
In last 7 years, rewards for pew pew increased dramatically, but what you can do industry wise weren't changed as much, and if we want to keep industrialists (and woman) to eve we should make sure industry is equal again and build even more to the sandbox nature of eve.
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Can you be a little more specific?
Like going into 0.0 sec and killing PvE pirate NPC's in Asteroid fields or going after haulers and other frig's and such in low sec?
I do not say it doesn't work.
All I say it(probably) works not the way you would like.
Mission rewards 3 years ago were practically the same as they are now.
The 'best' stuff is still T2.
Industrialist are still important to the game as they were ever.
People are still happy with ships given out in insurance programs.
People were bitching about POS fueling even 3 years ago.
When I said it can be solved easily, it was in context of living in low sec and I still stand my claim.
In last 7 years, pew pew rewards increased as much as increased the resource and industrial needs for new ships.
EVE is a sandbox more than ever because it gains complexity and options with(almost
Lordmonkus: Should I quote your first post where you said I should leave eve?
Because it isn't for me...
And sadly you fail to grasp: financing things, industry is part of PVP in Eve.
This is why it is sandboxed.
When you would have to support population in your outpost, etc. to keep your system developed further and creating things en masse would required in nullsec that would mean industrialists are more welcome in nullsec and the economical warfare (part of PVP) in eve would be stronger.
It doesn't move away from PVP.
But YOU claim that by saying bringing back ECONOMICAL WARFARE and Competitive (PVP) elements of industry to the level it originaly was in Eve and promote more of the economical / industral wars between alliances as more pvp option is making the game PVE. You make up stuff, and lie about your first responses. Again, the pot calls the kettle black problem...
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I would say EvE is by far best MMO atm ( yes i did play wow for 3 years and now i play eve for 1.5 years and i am really sad i played wow after vanila ) ... i would not compare it to the classic games however.
Think FO3 shit and other new all hyped up stuff so high on list is a bit stupid.
And WOW is really really bad atm ... i think allods free game is fucking better then WoW atm. So EvE > WOW and a lot of other MMOs > WOW it is not even achivement how blizzard fucked it up. But EVE would be top 30 games of all time
wow would not be even in top 100 if you ask me ... last good thing wow got was arenas and that was like 3 years ago or so ? LOL throw spam more instances and loots gear reset nothing new just grind grind grind idiotic. WOW is koreant grind game and of story.
EvE on the other had was empty game at the start much like wow but blizzard stoped adding good stuff after TBC lunch... and CCP constantly was adding a lot of new stuff so EvE and is still adding ( PI etc ) atm has much more rich enviroment then wow that stopped with arenas and emerald dragons or what not.
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Low sec is security are rated from 0.1 to 0.4.
Those areas are protected by sentry guns at gates and stations only and does not provide Concord support.
Ratting is a term used to describe the killing NPCs at asteroid belts.
For catching juicy targets in low sec, you would then need a ship that can tank sentry fire - T2 cruiser and larger or a ship that can compete with faction fitted mission runner.
The other method would be suicide battleship squads in high sec.
I played Mass Effect and FO3 and i felt that they are dumped down RPGs ... people think that if you have OMFG TWO OPTIONS good and evil its something special... in Baldurs Gate you had like 7 or 8 options in every dialog LOL... and much much better story lines... graphic and gameplay in those game is better but they are more action games then true RPGs ... they have some RPG elements but again more action and gameplay focus on them. They seam so good for people who did not play good RPG because they are just average and market is over saturated with retarded games. So in mass of bad shit average games seam good. FO3 for me was actually really boring i felt i played oblivion ( another over hyped epic fail ). Mass Effect one was better but i felt like i am playing console game with no really big depth.
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You know Bioware did Baldur's Gate right?
PvP is profitable if you know how to do it. My corp has made like several bilion isk camping tribute atm
Northern coalition are falling into web traps on gates http://wepra.eve-kill.net/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=4451 52 milion damage i think over 15bil isk in loot in just 2 weeks for like 20 of us or so we can sustain our losses and even have a lot to make corp stronger but stuff etc.
A lot of people are not understanding what EvE really is ... EvE is political and economic strategy focused MMO simulator. And in it there are infinite ways to make money
and money is power. On top of that playing even without strong human relationship is not worth it... it is actually required for good fun ... something totally deferent then other MMOs where you can get group of people to into instance and only thing you will say is you tank that and i dps that etc finish instance and never see them again. In EvE you have to make bond with other people and to trust them because you are putting a lot on the line no matter are you doing PvP or PVE or roleplaying etc.
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Like that matters i know blizard made wow vanila and now it made wotlk epic fail , and they made starcraft best rts for me of all time so what ...blizard is now huge company grinding money ... starcraft 2 feels good however
bioware does make best stories ATM on the market but that does not mean they are good for me just average RPG stuff , not retarded like other stuff but that does not mean you can compare it to the classics... i felt they are bit shallow. KOTOR for instance is far superior game i did not mention.
99% of the games that come out this days call rpg for cool factor where they dont have even slightest clue what rpg really is it is not caracter progresion etc
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I would say I'm one of those people who like EVE on paper but have no interest in playing it.
I've tried it several times but in the end thought that it wasn't for me. In any case, gratz to EVE, it deserves it for many reasons.
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Eve is a game that started with great potential and has great potential if CCP would build on it, otherwise it is a "missed opportunity".
A lots of people try Eve, perhaps it is on scale of wow players, because its amazing potential, but it sadly fails to deliver some ofthe unique values it promises to these players and ends up as a huge disappointment.
And nothing is worse than disappointed players leaving the game we all love.
While you might wanted to aim a mentality to go away, you directed that comment towards me, perhaps that is how you created the impression.
Maybe you seen too many wow fans who want changes and "jumped the gun" when seen someone who wants changes to eve and didn't understand why I want the changes. And your prejudice and your bad first reaction led to an impression. Want to give this dicussion a fresh start?
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I would say, Eve looks like the single most promising game with excellent ideas and goals (and plans) in MMO industry, and this is why we love it. But it isn't executed well, this is why a lot of people try it several times but leave it behind without finding much fun in it.
This is why it needs far more polish, and we need to fix some issues.
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This list was definitely player polled (and it looks like the average PC Gamer read is only around 16 years old). All of the top games in the list are fairly recent. Genre-changing games like Baldur's Gate, Planescape Torment, the original Fallout, Tomb Raider, King's Quest, Ultima Underwold, Thief, and System Shock are either low on the list or missing completely. Meanwhile, the top ten is dominated by FPS games. Not to mention MMOs and their expansions have separate entries, which is just silly in my opinion.
The PC Gamer Editorial Top 100 is a FAR better list.
Genre-changing ones should come after genre defining ones.
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