The irony of this statement is that someone could easily say that the quanity of votes needed to get EvE ranked #3 does not equal it being a quality game.
I'm not knocking EvE but I think its pretty clear by looking at this list that there are issues with the list... Just looking at how certain games jump around from where they were rannked last year is a pretty good indicator of flaws in this poll. This is kinda like the issues regarding the MMORPG.com top rated lists on the front page.
There is no issue of any kind. PC Gamer conducted a poll and EVE came in 3rd in that poll. The only one here with issues is you TBH.
This guy reminds me of Zorndorf. Remember that thread in the News forum here when EVE won "game of the year 2009" and he went mental and accused the staff of being corrupt?
I've put my fair share of time into World of Warcraft. (just over 600 days played since it's 11/2004 launch) In that time the most profound fact I have learned about the WoW community is that you simply cannot post on the official forums without being "flamed," or insulted, for your opinion. As with all facts of life, there are exceptions to this; although, this is without question the WoW forum standard.
Perhaps you were referring to unofficial forums, but then the same method of logic could be applied to any game.
I was refering mostly to these forums...
I was refering to posts about wow and not about classes, etc.
Why? Because how wow is built? It is built on "addiction" that is fueled "earning an upgrade" for your characters, most of the players defend their status and proposed nerfs, buffs, free bonuses are instant flamewar. Just as "gearscore".
But when you tell them that massive focus on 25 man raids (3/25 tanks) and Arena (0 tanks, low amount of healers) can lead to lack of tanks (and healers) problems for 10 and 5 man runs, and increased competition for exisiting DPS spots, and if the amount of feasible tanking classes doesn't increase but decrease (see DK) and also amount OK healing specs decrease the problems get deeper and the plans for Cataclysm doesn't have a fix for it...
You will get very different response. Even if people realize that increased competition for spots in raids (and with more and more DPS alts it will be worse and worse) is the core of the problem they have with "gearscore".
in case people are still wondering how EVE could have possibly come out ahead of WoW despite the population gap, keep in mind that this poll was conducted by a magazine, which requires people to 1. know how read and 2. know what a "magazine" is.
That being said, I find it hard to agree with any article that lists Deux Ex and FO3 while ignoring Fallout, BG2, Diablo, Starcraft, C&C, Civilization, Myst, SimCity and a multitude of other landmark titles.
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in case people are still wondering how EVE could have possibly come out ahead of WoW despite the population gap, keep in mind that this poll was conducted by a magazine, which requires people to 1. know how read and 2. know what a "magazine" is.
That being said, I find it hard to agree with any article that lists Deux Ex and FO3 while ignoring Fallout, BG2, Diablo, Starcraft, C&C, Civilization, Myst, SimCity and a multitude of other landmark titles.
This guy reminds me of Zorndorf. Remember that thread in the News forum here when EVE won "game of the year 2009" and he went mental and accused the staff of being corrupt?
LOL!!!!
I await his return when Eve wins Goty in 2010.
Zorn got banned or something, came back as CAMP1111, got banned again, and is now going by another handle (can't recall right now). But don't worry, you'll recognize the posting style, just watch any thread that criticizes WOW.
In the meantime, guess EVE players can bask in the glory yet again.
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This guy reminds me of Zorndorf. Remember that thread in the News forum here when EVE won "game of the year 2009" and he went mental and accused the staff of being corrupt?
LOL!!!!
I await his return when Eve wins Goty in 2010.
Zorn got banned or something, came back as CAMP1111, got banned again, and is now going by another handle (can't recall right now). But don't worry, you'll recognize the posting style, just watch any thread that criticizes WOW.
In the meantime, guess EVE players can bask in the glory yet again.
It was Memoir44. But have no fear camp11111 is officially back. He can explain why WoW is so popular to you over here if you'd like
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Congrats to CCP for this award. I'd definitely have to agree for the most part with that PC Gamer list, a couple tweaks like Starcraft should be much higher up, but EVE is definitely up there. I've not found an MMO to match it yet. So player driven, so many different ways to play, I do something different and fun just about every day I've played. Sure you can get into a grinding rut if you let yourself, just as with any MMO, but you most definitely don't have to in EVE. PvE, Solo PvP, small fleet PvP, big fleet PvP (large alliance warfare), Mining, Exploration/WHs, Market warfare, Manufacturing... it's pretty amazing.
That said, there's a lot of little things that could definitely improve the day-to-day gameplay of EVE. It needs a lot of honing, polishing, and finishing of previously introduced feature-sets.
I'm running for CSM this term to hopefully champion the improvement of those little things, and make EVE an even more fun experience for years to come.
This guy reminds me of Zorndorf. Remember that thread in the News forum here when EVE won "game of the year 2009" and he went mental and accused the staff of being corrupt?
LOL!!!!
I await his return when Eve wins Goty in 2010.
Nah, i want Darkfall to get it this time. Then he will go beserk.
Interesting. Yet only about 300k gamers actually play Eve where as 11 million people play WoW.
Seems like alot of people like Eve on paper but not actually playing it. I for one love Eve on paper, sandbox, FFA PvP, real economy, but actually playing it is just boring...
Don't get me wrong, I hate WoW, yet it strikes me odd that Eve is voted so high yet so few actually plays it.
Say it really slow with me.
Quantity does not equal quality.
Why is this concept so difficult ?
Oh so quantity of people voting with their wallets doesn't mean quality, but quantity of people voting in a website poll means quality?
Interesting.
Voting with your wallet for which game you choose to play is not voting in a poll on which game you think is best.
Fact of the matter is this. These types polls while interesting to read and talk about at the end of the day they really mean nothing because of the simple fact that no one that voted or any of us has played every single one of the games on the list, combine that with the fact that you are comparing completely different games accross completely different genres.
To make something like this be actually somewhat close to relevant they need to compile a giant list of games, collect a panel of well respected game experts and rate these games on a matrix style system judging each game based on elements such as fun factor, how revolutionary it was for its time, how accessible the gameplay is and it's lifespan as a relevant game. Even if this were done you would still have varying opinions and debates over the final results because of personal bias and tastes in game genres.
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As a side note I am actually quite shocked Eve is in the top 10 let alone the top 3. Personally I don't think I would even consider Eve to be in the top 20 simpley because of how difficult and unaccessible it is to most people.
This guy reminds me of Zorndorf. Remember that thread in the News forum here when EVE won "game of the year 2009" and he went mental and accused the staff of being corrupt?
LOL!!!!
I await his return when Eve wins Goty in 2010.
Zorn got banned or something, came back as CAMP1111, got banned again, and is now going by another handle (can't recall right now). But don't worry, you'll recognize the posting style, just watch any thread that criticizes WOW.
In the meantime, guess EVE players can bask in the glory yet again.
Did Eve players make Eve? No, you financed it.
So you don't get to bask in any glory, CCP gets to. They made it and they are reeling in the dough.
Eve players pays to play the game for it being fun for them, I assume, and shouldn't care less what some magazine says is a good game or not.
So you don't get to bask in any glory, CCP gets to. They made it and they are reeling in the dough.
Eve players pays to play the game for it being fun for them, I assume, and shouldn't care less what some magazine says is a good game or not.
A lot of us are just happy to see the game getting the kind of recognition that it deserves. So one could argue that we are basking in that happiness.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
This guy reminds me of Zorndorf. Remember that thread in the News forum here when EVE won "game of the year 2009" and he went mental and accused the staff of being corrupt?
LOL!!!!
I await his return when Eve wins Goty in 2010.
Zorn got banned or something, came back as CAMP1111, got banned again, and is now going by another handle (can't recall right now). But don't worry, you'll recognize the posting style, just watch any thread that criticizes WOW.
In the meantime, guess EVE players can bask in the glory yet again.
Did Eve players make Eve? No, you financed it.
So you don't get to bask in any glory, CCP gets to. They made it and they are reeling in the dough.
Eve players pays to play the game for it being fun for them, I assume, and shouldn't care less what some magazine says is a good game or not.
You are correct that CCP deserves the glory and they deserve it. Even if it wasn't top spot, number 3 beating out a lot of great games over the years is a great accomplishment for a bunch of drunken Icelandic nerds who mortgaged their grandparents homes to make a board game to raise money to start work on Eve.
But just to be clear this wasn't what the magazine thinks is the best, this is a poll of the readers and the list of choices was quite extensive.
It is fun to have something like this to shove in the faces of the trolls that regularly visit us here though
PC gamer yeh right lol well dont have much weight for me then, not very good mag in my book.
But Eve should be high as a game in any list.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Interesting. Yet only about 300k gamers actually play Eve where as 11 million people play WoW.
Seems like alot of people like Eve on paper but not actually playing it. I for one love Eve on paper, sandbox, FFA PvP, real economy, but actually playing it is just boring...
Don't get me wrong, I hate WoW, yet it strikes me odd that Eve is voted so high yet so few actually plays it.
But of those 11million 10.5million are kids or fathers, mothers and grandparents who play and dont even know outsite WoW that there is also some other games hehe.
Majority even dont ever come to forums or buy pc magazine eather.
Or most play on consoles and discover WoW in 2005 and next years for pc but never played a game on pc before.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
This guy reminds me of Zorndorf. Remember that thread in the News forum here when EVE won "game of the year 2009" and he went mental and accused the staff of being corrupt?
LOL!!!!
I await his return when Eve wins Goty in 2010.
Zorn got banned or something, came back as CAMP1111, got banned again, and is now going by another handle (can't recall right now). But don't worry, you'll recognize the posting style, just watch any thread that criticizes WOW.
In the meantime, guess EVE players can bask in the glory yet again.
Did Eve players make Eve? No, you financed it.
So you don't get to bask in any glory, CCP gets to. They made it and they are reeling in the dough.
Eve players pays to play the game for it being fun for them, I assume, and shouldn't care less what some magazine says is a good game or not.
You are correct that CCP deserves the glory and they deserve it. Even if it wasn't top spot, number 3 beating out a lot of great games over the years is a great accomplishment for a bunch of drunken Icelandic nerds who mortgaged their grandparents homes to make a board game to raise money to start work on Eve.
But just to be clear this wasn't what the magazine thinks is the best, this is a poll of the readers and the list of choices was quite extensive.
It is fun to have something like this to shove in the faces of the trolls that regularly visit us here though
Yeah, my comment was more along this line. Of course the players can't take any credit, other than having the good taste to play it I suppose.
(hey, have to keep up the image of EVE players bein insufferably smug you know)
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It being number 3 of all time is a joke. If you want to make an MMO 3 it should be UO, WOW, or Everquest, the big three which essentially defined three ages of MMO history. Not a boring as hell spreadsheet game which only gets news when one of its alliance leaders forgets to pay the sov bills or hits the disband button on accident. Hell, FFXI has been more influential than it among more games, for that.
It being number 3 of all time is a joke. If you want to make an MMO 3 it should be UO, WOW, or Everquest, the big three which essentially defined three ages of MMO history. Not a boring as hell spreadsheet game which only gets news when one of its alliance leaders forgets to pay the sov bills or hits the disband button on accident. Hell, FFXI has been more influential than it among more games, for that.
And what you call things like RAWR and Simcraft for WoW if they are not spreadsheets ? Last year when I made a short return to WoW I quickly learned that the game had made some additions in stats and that very many people were using programs like these. I would go over to sites like elitest jerks to read up on the changes and how to make my character better and everyone was talking about plugging their gear into spreadsheets to mazimize their dps. Those programs mentioned are just spreadsheets with a fancy gui over top.
I am waiting for the day someone who calls Eve a spreadsheet to actually show me one spreadsheet in the game. You sound more like a butthurt fanboy of another game and since you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Eve all you have is an anti Eve meme you heard from some other equally clueless Eve hater.
Actually, if Eve is just a spreadsheet that means that all those voters think a sreadsheet is better than the games you mentioned. What does that say about those games then ?
It being number 3 of all time is a joke. If you want to make an MMO 3 it should be UO, WOW, or Everquest, the big three which essentially defined three ages of MMO history. Not a boring as hell spreadsheet game which only gets news when one of its alliance leaders forgets to pay the sov bills or hits the disband button on accident. Hell, FFXI has been more influential than it among more games, for that.
And what you call things like RAWR and Simcraft for WoW if they are not spreadsheets ? Last year when I made a short return to WoW I quickly learned that the game had made some additions in stats and that very many people were using programs like these. I would go over to sites like elitest jerks to read up on the changes and how to make my character better and everyone was talking about plugging their gear into spreadsheets to mazimize their dps. Those programs mentioned are just spreadsheets with a fancy gui over top.
I am waiting for the day someone who calls Eve a spreadsheet to actually show me one spreadsheet in the game. You sound more like a butthurt fanboy of another game and since you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Eve all you have is an anti Eve meme you heard from some other equally clueless Eve hater.
Actually, if Eve is just a spreadsheet that means that all those voters think a sreadsheet is better than the games you mentioned. What does that say about those games then ?
most of these Eve hate posts are recycled from other forum posts etc, im not sure they've even played Eve - which is why they misunderstand the 'spreadsheet' thing and quote it out of context, i've no doubt that players who have a bunch of pos' to manage, fuel, ammo & resources etc, do use a 3rd party program to help them keep track of which pos' need what and when, but thats usually so they can spend more time actually doing something in game, which normally involves PVP, if their going to complain about Eve, they could at least get it right what their complaining about... its not that Eve is anti carebear.. its just that its a game thats also populated by Wolves.... and they hunt in packs
Ahahaha, EvE in the top 3 of top 100 of PC games? This smells, like a big pile of poo. I could understand it if would be in the top MMO's but top 100 PC games? Seriously?
Ahahaha, EvE in the top 3 of top 100 of PC games? This smells, like a big pile of poo. I could understand it if would be in the top MMO's but top 100 PC games? Seriously?
Originally posted by Lovesurgeon Originally posted by -aLpHa- Ahahaha, EvE in the top 3 of top 100 of PC games? This smells, like a big pile of poo. I could understand it if would be in the top MMO's but top 100 PC games? Seriously? Portal > EvE big time.
Ahahaha, EvE in the top 3 of top 100 of PC games? This smells, like a big pile of poo. I could understand it if would be in the top MMO's but top 100 PC games? Seriously?
Portal > EvE big time.
The scariest part of that top 100 thing though.. is just how many times various incarnations of the Simms appeared in it.. it makes it look like a significant percentage of pc users (games players anyway) like playing dolls houses.. you can't tell me those votes were all from the female contingent!
Ahahaha, EvE in the top 3 of top 100 of PC games? This smells, like a big pile of poo. I could understand it if would be in the top MMO's but top 100 PC games? Seriously?
Portal > EvE big time.
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LOL!!!!
I await his return when Eve wins Goty in 2010.
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I was refering mostly to these forums...
I was refering to posts about wow and not about classes, etc.
Why? Because how wow is built? It is built on "addiction" that is fueled "earning an upgrade" for your characters, most of the players defend their status and proposed nerfs, buffs, free bonuses are instant flamewar. Just as "gearscore".
But when you tell them that massive focus on 25 man raids (3/25 tanks) and Arena (0 tanks, low amount of healers) can lead to lack of tanks (and healers) problems for 10 and 5 man runs, and increased competition for exisiting DPS spots, and if the amount of feasible tanking classes doesn't increase but decrease (see DK) and also amount OK healing specs decrease the problems get deeper and the plans for Cataclysm doesn't have a fix for it...
You will get very different response. Even if people realize that increased competition for spots in raids (and with more and more DPS alts it will be worse and worse) is the core of the problem they have with "gearscore".
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in case people are still wondering how EVE could have possibly come out ahead of WoW despite the population gap, keep in mind that this poll was conducted by a magazine, which requires people to 1. know how read and 2. know what a "magazine" is.
That being said, I find it hard to agree with any article that lists Deux Ex and FO3 while ignoring Fallout, BG2, Diablo, Starcraft, C&C, Civilization, Myst, SimCity and a multitude of other landmark titles.
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Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
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Agree with this 100%
Zorn got banned or something, came back as CAMP1111, got banned again, and is now going by another handle (can't recall right now). But don't worry, you'll recognize the posting style, just watch any thread that criticizes WOW.
In the meantime, guess EVE players can bask in the glory yet again.
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It was Memoir44. But have no fear camp11111 is officially back. He can explain why WoW is so popular to you over here if you'd like
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Congrats to CCP for this award. I'd definitely have to agree for the most part with that PC Gamer list, a couple tweaks like Starcraft should be much higher up, but EVE is definitely up there. I've not found an MMO to match it yet. So player driven, so many different ways to play, I do something different and fun just about every day I've played. Sure you can get into a grinding rut if you let yourself, just as with any MMO, but you most definitely don't have to in EVE. PvE, Solo PvP, small fleet PvP, big fleet PvP (large alliance warfare), Mining, Exploration/WHs, Market warfare, Manufacturing... it's pretty amazing.
That said, there's a lot of little things that could definitely improve the day-to-day gameplay of EVE. It needs a lot of honing, polishing, and finishing of previously introduced feature-sets.
I'm running for CSM this term to hopefully champion the improvement of those little things, and make EVE an even more fun experience for years to come.
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Nah, i want Darkfall to get it this time. Then he will go beserk.
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Voting with your wallet for which game you choose to play is not voting in a poll on which game you think is best.
Fact of the matter is this. These types polls while interesting to read and talk about at the end of the day they really mean nothing because of the simple fact that no one that voted or any of us has played every single one of the games on the list, combine that with the fact that you are comparing completely different games accross completely different genres.
To make something like this be actually somewhat close to relevant they need to compile a giant list of games, collect a panel of well respected game experts and rate these games on a matrix style system judging each game based on elements such as fun factor, how revolutionary it was for its time, how accessible the gameplay is and it's lifespan as a relevant game. Even if this were done you would still have varying opinions and debates over the final results because of personal bias and tastes in game genres.
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As a side note I am actually quite shocked Eve is in the top 10 let alone the top 3. Personally I don't think I would even consider Eve to be in the top 20 simpley because of how difficult and unaccessible it is to most people.
Did Eve players make Eve? No, you financed it.
So you don't get to bask in any glory, CCP gets to. They made it and they are reeling in the dough.
Eve players pays to play the game for it being fun for them, I assume, and shouldn't care less what some magazine says is a good game or not.
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A lot of us are just happy to see the game getting the kind of recognition that it deserves. So one could argue that we are basking in that happiness.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
You are correct that CCP deserves the glory and they deserve it. Even if it wasn't top spot, number 3 beating out a lot of great games over the years is a great accomplishment for a bunch of drunken Icelandic nerds who mortgaged their grandparents homes to make a board game to raise money to start work on Eve.
But just to be clear this wasn't what the magazine thinks is the best, this is a poll of the readers and the list of choices was quite extensive.
It is fun to have something like this to shove in the faces of the trolls that regularly visit us here though
PC gamer yeh right lol well dont have much weight for me then, not very good mag in my book.
But Eve should be high as a game in any list.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
But of those 11million 10.5million are kids or fathers, mothers and grandparents who play and dont even know outsite WoW that there is also some other games hehe.
Majority even dont ever come to forums or buy pc magazine eather.
Or most play on consoles and discover WoW in 2005 and next years for pc but never played a game on pc before.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Yeah, my comment was more along this line. Of course the players can't take any credit, other than having the good taste to play it I suppose.
(hey, have to keep up the image of EVE players bein insufferably smug you know)
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It being number 3 of all time is a joke. If you want to make an MMO 3 it should be UO, WOW, or Everquest, the big three which essentially defined three ages of MMO history. Not a boring as hell spreadsheet game which only gets news when one of its alliance leaders forgets to pay the sov bills or hits the disband button on accident. Hell, FFXI has been more influential than it among more games, for that.
Apparently the voters in that poll disagree with you.
PS I'm sure UO was a fine game in it's day, but it's day was a long time ago now. Get over it.
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And what you call things like RAWR and Simcraft for WoW if they are not spreadsheets ? Last year when I made a short return to WoW I quickly learned that the game had made some additions in stats and that very many people were using programs like these. I would go over to sites like elitest jerks to read up on the changes and how to make my character better and everyone was talking about plugging their gear into spreadsheets to mazimize their dps. Those programs mentioned are just spreadsheets with a fancy gui over top.
I am waiting for the day someone who calls Eve a spreadsheet to actually show me one spreadsheet in the game. You sound more like a butthurt fanboy of another game and since you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Eve all you have is an anti Eve meme you heard from some other equally clueless Eve hater.
Actually, if Eve is just a spreadsheet that means that all those voters think a sreadsheet is better than the games you mentioned. What does that say about those games then ?
most of these Eve hate posts are recycled from other forum posts etc, im not sure they've even played Eve - which is why they misunderstand the 'spreadsheet' thing and quote it out of context, i've no doubt that players who have a bunch of pos' to manage, fuel, ammo & resources etc, do use a 3rd party program to help them keep track of which pos' need what and when, but thats usually so they can spend more time actually doing something in game, which normally involves PVP, if their going to complain about Eve, they could at least get it right what their complaining about... its not that Eve is anti carebear.. its just that its a game thats also populated by Wolves.... and they hunt in packs
Ahahaha, EvE in the top 3 of top 100 of PC games? This smells, like a big pile of poo. I could understand it if would be in the top MMO's but top 100 PC games? Seriously?
Portal > EvE big time.
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The scariest part of that top 100 thing though.. is just how many times various incarnations of the Simms appeared in it.. it makes it look like a significant percentage of pc users (games players anyway) like playing dolls houses.. you can't tell me those votes were all from the female contingent!
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