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that's made my day. Thanks
those who bemoan this are really out of touch with reality. Things can't be equal in games like this in which time = progress, unless you limit everyone to so many hours play time per day/week whatever.
Caval, you need to learn how business works dude. You are being a communist about this whole issue.
- blizzard IS a business, WoW is their business. I do not understand how you can say it is NOT like any other business. It is not a charity, it is not a non-profit organisation, it is not a government agency. It IS business, just like any other business.
- they are adding value and charging for it. Have they ever promised you FREE content from the moment they created WoW? Why should they make it free? If I am a business and I sold you a car, does that mean you have the right to come back year after year to get free coffee and donuts at the dealership?
The subscription fee you are paying means you get access to the content in the BOX YOU BUY! Nowhere does it say you get access for any future content. If that were the case, then no1 would ever create expansions or even supported games. Because people like you demand that any future development comes free of charge.
Edit: IF Bliz would take away something from the original game and started charging for it, then yeah, you would have the right to scream and shout. But they haven't. They are adding something new that they were not obliged to add and decided to charge for it. They have all the rights to do that.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
The only difference is, bots are used to replace humans - they play the game 24/7, not a human being. You cannot level up without actually sitting by your computer and playing it. Therefore, bots are doing something that humans can't - play the game without human interaction.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Yea it's really not an advantage in anyway but if while your out and about experiencing actual life and all you can think about is how much that cotten is selling for.. jesus people is this really a neccessary application. Now we'll definately be able to tell who the WoW nerds are, "hold on I have to check whether jacksmehoff undercut my adamantite ore price on the auction house real quick". /facepalm
My wife and I bought a tiny little pocket PC today. 2Gb and WiFi of course. 200£. I am going to try it and install WOW , just for the AH of course. I guess I'll have an advantage over all of you. And saving 3 dollars each month too.
Cheaper as the latest I-pods too.
Its embarrassing when an NPC compliments you in an MMo, the only relevant, cool and epic things come from players whispering you Grtz, mate, we did it. copyright Pilnkplonk
You're exactly right, Blizzard is just like any other business. Other businesses get criticized all of the time for nickel and diming for every little feature, charging far more than they're worth even. So why should Blizzard be exempt from criticism for the same behavior?
Throughout the MMO industry it's been a bit of an unspoken understanding that paying for a subscription MMO, though not entitled to free content, that some was given to players as a gesture of good faith in the hopes of keeping them interested in continuing to play. By adding additional charges for minor 'content' that would have otherwise been provided free in the past, they are diminishing good faith, which customers have every right to be unhappy about if it so bothers them.
Confusing? Oh wait- reading comprehension FOR. THE. LOSS.
Your point falls right back apart. Just like your reading comprehension. Hint: hone in on 'in the eyes of the beholder'.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
Oh, that explains it, Jimmy here never played a MMO other than WOW <.<
I apologize for assuming (yes, I know what assuming does) that he had prior experience with the industry, and hope to refrain from making the same mistake in the future.
Thanks for explaining it in terms that the general populance of the warcraft community can understand
Buy in to the greed and you create more, if you want to keep increasing the cost of gaming keep supporting moves like this and you will have your way. Have fun being exploited!
Completely true. I feel that this is a greedy move. And sure it's true that this is simply a business trying to make profit but when a multi billion dollar corporation like blizzard tries to rake in more money via ANOTHER monthly subscription from it's already subscribed customers, it's nothing more than greed. If anything this application should be entirely free. When I fork out my 15 dollars for that month of WoW I want to feel that my 15 dollars provided me equal service to every other subscribed customer. This is a minor thing and there really is no "advantage" given to a player by purchasing this service but it's the principal alone. Every customer should pay ONE flat fee and in return receive equal service. It used to be this way but now Blizzards devs need more lambo's in their garage.
Throughout the MMO industry it's been a bit of an unspoken understanding that paying for a subscription MMO, though not entitled to free content, that some was given to players as a gesture of good faith in the hopes of keeping them interested in continuing to play. By adding additional charges for minor 'content' that would have otherwise been provided free in the past, they are diminishing good faith, which customers have every right to be unhappy about if it so bothers them.
That is poor argument. No one says this AH has to be inclulded in the "some was given to players as a gesture of good faith".
TOC is free.
ICC is free.
Ruby Sanctum is going to be free.
Sounds like there are plenty of "free content, that some was given to players as a gesture of good faith".
I think you need reading comprehension. I said from a 'general game advancement' standpoint. What is the goal of WoW from a general game advancement standpoint? What is the point of any MMO? You think people subscribe to WoW (or any MMO) so they can see how many vanity pets they can get?
You're character is not determined by how far he/she has advanced in the game by how many pets they have.
Where is the need for the remote AH that you didn't have before?
This would make sense, but only if phone services and apps have been historically free of charge.
It's hardly 'minor content' that should become gratis.
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You sort of missed the difference between an app made by a third party and then put on the app store and content developed by the same company as a game. If you haven't noticed, there's many free apps that are made by apple for the iphone, or for similar things. I don't see people being charged to use ITunes from their mobile device (other than buying a song, but thats copyright related) rather than their mac or PC. They pay a monthly fee, they bought an Iphone, they expect to get ITunes and various other apple apps without paying a monthly fee higher than their mobile device bill.
Also, we have the right to be unhappy with being exploited as a customer base if we want. This isn't China, its not north Korea, and it sure as heck isn't Nazi Germany.
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I think at this point a mod should be called in to close the thread. This is about the opportunity to play the AH on a "new portable platform" free or paid. You choose.
The discussion as of now is devoid of any further decent arguments.
Its embarrassing when an NPC compliments you in an MMo, the only relevant, cool and epic things come from players whispering you Grtz, mate, we did it. copyright Pilnkplonk
?? i am sure you have the "right' to be unhappy too in Nazi Germany. In fact, most of the PoWs were pretty unhappy, were they?
This topic is going nowhere fast. Locked due to personal attacks and political debate.
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