Have they decided to make TOR an MMO yet? Or is it still a do what I say hand holder until you finish doing what they tell you to do at which time you can mill around in a mob with the other glowbats and cry about lack of content?
I am curious as to how much of a part is gear going to play in PvP? Will gear be the determining factor in PvP or will actually being skilled with the keyboard and mouse play the bigger role? For example, I currently play Age of Conan mainly due to the skill requirement to be successful with the melee classes. Early on in AoC, the gear you had equipped accounted for about 25% of your damage output, but due to cries from carebear gamers who wanted the gear to do the work for them, this is not the case anymore unfortunately. Lower level character classes are not affected by this too much being that they don't have access to purple grade drops as do players that have reached the level cap.
I consider myself a casual gamer who finds it silly that players who spend countless hours playing these games are granted an advantage in PvP because the have raid/dungeon gear that does the work for them as far as PvP is concerned. Most MMO's seem to cater to the player who lives on the game the most opposed to the player who knows how to utilize the mouse and keyboard.
I also wanted to know if the plans were to make this game CC heavy? Will successful PvP be determined by the class with the most CC's or who can CC lock a player throughout the entire duration of the fight or will the factor be determined by skill?
I am interested in knowing where Bioware stands on this.
When this game blows donkey balls like all the other flopped MMOs that have come out recently I will laugh at all you fanbois. Look at GAION, Warhammer, AOC, with all their hype and false promises; games that over hype things never deliver. Games like Guild Wars 2 that barely have any hype at all are the games that come out good and they release it with everything that is promised, not games where they mention "Our game/systems/combat/any other random thing about the game, will be the best thing since sliced bread". Guild Wars 2 I shall wait for you, SWTOR I shall laugh at you and the thousands of disappointed fanbois.
And AoC and Aion were both pretty good games. Just because you don't like it does not mean the rest of us wont. Tired of hearing all the cry babies talking about how this is fail and that is fail. Are people gonna play gw2? Yea , I'm gonna play gw2 , why? Because it will be free upon purchase. Also, I like what I have seen, but mark my words. NO NcSoft game is gonna hold the attention of that many people, when you play the game you will find out the hard way. There will be grind, grind, and more grind. There will be high costs that you cannot afford unless you are a credit farmer. You will be considered a scrub by most players because one guild will have control over everthing. Guild Wars 2 is an NcSoft game? Am I not right?
YOu can say what you want, but we really don't care. They said the same thing for wow when first came out too. Who is laughing now?
Oh yea, come on here and tell me about Lineage and all that. Yea it was a good game and had plenty of people. Grind is grind.
Most of NCsoft customers are over seas.
Some of you posting on here are beyond retarded and need to read up on what you're trying to argue about before posting. Guild Wars 2 is made and developed by a company called Arena Net which is made up of developers that made Star Craft/were in WOW's first stages of development when WOW was actually a good/not easy mode game. NCSOFT has no input on GW2's development, they are simply the publishers of the gamel; making a statement that says NCSOFT develops and runs GW2 is beyond retarded, it's like saying EA is developing your precious SWTOR when they are just publishing it.
When this game blows donkey balls like all the other flopped MMOs that have come out recently I will laugh at all you fanbois. Look at GAION, Warhammer, AOC, with all their hype and false promises; games that over hype things never deliver. Games like Guild Wars 2 that barely have any hype at all are the games that come out good and they release it with everything that is promised, not games where they mention "Our game/systems/combat/any other random thing about the game, will be the best thing since sliced bread". Guild Wars 2 I shall wait for you, SWTOR I shall laugh at you and the thousands of disappointed fanbois.
For someone that posts in these forums on this site, you really don't pay much attention or don't look at the homepage much. I think the most hyped game for some time has been GW2, not TOR. As well, this game even though hyped has had many detracters and naysayers since it was announced unlike GW2.
You obviously don't know what hype is, you retard. Hype is developers hyping their game, not people from an MMO website. The hype level games get on this site is from player ratings, it's more like player ratings than anything else, meaning a lot more people on this site are looking forward to GW2 than SWTOR. Arena Net hasn't been hyping GW2 at all, Bioware has been hyping SWTOR.
When this game blows donkey balls like all the other flopped MMOs that have come out recently I will laugh at all you fanbois. Look at GAION, Warhammer, AOC, with all their hype and false promises; games that over hype things never deliver. Games like Guild Wars 2 that barely have any hype at all are the games that come out good and they release it with everything that is promised, not games where they mention "Our game/systems/combat/any other random thing about the game, will be the best thing since sliced bread". Guild Wars 2 I shall wait for you, SWTOR I shall laugh at you and the thousands of disappointed fanbois.
Nerdraging fanbois (GW2 in your case) with magic spheres looking into every MMO's future are always amusing to watch on this forum.
When this game blows donkey balls like all the other flopped MMOs that have come out recently I will laugh at all you fanbois. Look at GAION, Warhammer, AOC, with all their hype and false promises; games that over hype things never deliver. Games like Guild Wars 2 that barely have any hype at all are the games that come out good and they release it with everything that is promised, not games where they mention "Our game/systems/combat/any other random thing about the game, will be the best thing since sliced bread". Guild Wars 2 I shall wait for you, SWTOR I shall laugh at you and the thousands of disappointed fanbois.
Nerdraging fanbois (GW2 in your case) with magic spheres looking into every MMO's future are always amusing to watch on this forum.
Sorry kid, not a GW2 fanboi by any means, I just trust Arena-Net and from what I have seen so far, GW2 looks to be pretty good and staying true to the most important aspects of the Guild Wars franchise. Fanbois are like religious zealots just like yourself and anyone else that defends a dying game or a game that looks to be like a complete failure (As if it was the second coming of Jesus Christ.) until the ends of time. If GW2 fails and I see it failing I will not defend it like a religious zealot, SWTOR fanbois will defend that game until it's on its death bed. In the past 12 years I have been burned by too many MMOs to get hyped about any future MMOs, the hype SWTOR devs/marketing are giving to the game is beyond disgusting, reminds me of AION/Warhammer hype. I got burned by AION horribly and now I have to play it until January 2011 because I payed for a full year's sub. I despise over-hyped games and that is why I hate on SWTOR.
When this game blows donkey balls like all the other flopped MMOs that have come out recently I will laugh at all you fanbois. Look at GAION, Warhammer, AOC, with all their hype and false promises; games that over hype things never deliver. Games like Guild Wars 2 that barely have any hype at all are the games that come out good and they release it with everything that is promised, not games where they mention "Our game/systems/combat/any other random thing about the game, will be the best thing since sliced bread". Guild Wars 2 I shall wait for you, SWTOR I shall laugh at you and the thousands of disappointed fanbois.
Nerdraging fanbois (GW2 in your case) with magic spheres looking into every MMO's future are always amusing to watch on this forum.
Sorry kid, not a GW2 fanboi by any means, I just trust Arena-Net and from what I have seen so far, GW2 looks to be pretty good and staying true to the most important aspects of the Guild Wars franchise. Fanbois are like religious zealots just like yourself and anyone else that defends a dying game or a game that looks to be like a complete failure (As if it was the second coming of Jesus Christ.) until the ends of time. If GW2 fails and I see it failing I will not defend it like a religious zealot, SWTOR fanbois will defend that game until it's on its death bed. In the past 12 years I have been burned by too many MMOs to get hyped about any future MMOs, the hype SWTOR devs/marketing are giving to the game is beyond disgusting, reminds me of AION/Warhammer hype. I got burned by AION horribly and now I have to play it until January 2011 because I payed for a full year's sub. I despise over-hyped games and that is why I hate on SWTOR.
You are as much a fanboi for GW2 as any of the TOR supporters you claimed were TOR fanbois. Arena-Net has no stronger a reputation than Bioware, it is merely your allegiance to them that determines your support. Since both games aren't released, your random support puts you in the same category of those you yourself mocked. Also, you shouldn't project your insecurities onto new games just because you yourself made terrible decisions in the past. You assume SW:TOR fans will defend it if it's failing, why? Because they defend it now? The games not out yet genius, there is no way of knowing what you are saying. Not to mention that considering you claim to hate overhyped games, you are in strong support of GW2 which is just as hyped as TOR. You're posts are riddled with inconsistencies and narrow-mindedness. You should probably try to avoid trolling the future, leave it to the trolls who are intelligent enough to formulate semi-decent aggressions.
Someday we'll all look back on the age of computers - and lol.
Sorry kid, not a GW2 fanboi by any means, I just trust Arena-Net and from what I have seen so far, GW2 looks to be pretty good and staying true to the most important aspects of the Guild Wars franchise. Fanbois are like religious zealots just like yourself and anyone else that defends a dying game or a game that looks to be like a complete failure (As if it was the second coming of Jesus Christ.) until the ends of time. If GW2 fails and I see it failing I will not defend it like a religious zealot, SWTOR fanbois will defend that game until it's on its death bed. In the past 12 years I have been burned by too many MMOs to get hyped about any future MMOs, the hype SWTOR devs/marketing are giving to the game is beyond disgusting, reminds me of AION/Warhammer hype. I got burned by AION horribly and now I have to play it until January 2011 because I payed for a full year's sub. I despise over-hyped games and that is why I hate on SWTOR.
You are as much a fanboi for GW2 as any of the TOR supporters you claimed were TOR fanbois. Arena-Net has no stronger a reputation than Bioware, it is merely your allegiance to them that determines your support. Since both games aren't released, your random support puts you in the same category of those you yourself mocked. Also, you shouldn't project your insecurities onto new games just because you yourself made terrible decisions in the past. You assume SW:TOR fans will defend it if it's failing, why? Because they defend it now? The games not out yet genius, there is no way of knowing what you are saying. Not to mention that considering you claim to hate overhyped games, you are in strong support of GW2 which is just as hyped as TOR. You're posts are riddled with inconsistencies and narrow-mindedness. You should probably try to avoid trolling the future, leave it to the trolls who are intelligent enough to formulate semi-decent aggressions.
Lol. Bravo. It's certainly ironic how those who project themselves as being "enlightened" because they aren't fanbois, have more in common with those fanbois than they realise. Especially when it comes to labelling others as being the extreme opposite of their views.
Another irony point is how people claim that SWTOR is getting hyped far more than other games. And yet, SWTOR is getting about as much hype as GW2 is doing both on this and other sites.
Fine line between hyping and just being dense in the head. Then again all new mmo's these days are getting hyped by people. Why would GW2 or SWTOR be any different?
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
You are as much a fanboi for GW2 as any of the TOR supporters you claimed were TOR fanbois. Arena-Net has no stronger a reputation than Bioware, it is merely your allegiance to them that determines your support. Since both games aren't released, your random support puts you in the same category of those you yourself mocked. Also, you shouldn't project your insecurities onto new games just because you yourself made terrible decisions in the past. You assume SW:TOR fans will defend it if it's failing, why? Because they defend it now? The games not out yet genius, there is no way of knowing what you are saying. Not to mention that considering you claim to hate overhyped games, you are in strong support of GW2 which is just as hyped as TOR. You're posts are riddled with inconsistencies and narrow-mindedness. You should probably try to avoid trolling the future, leave it to the trolls who are intelligent enough to formulate semi-decent aggressions.
This.
Voices of reason like this one should be structurally encouraged.
Let's all be reasonable and take a step back, shall we?
Like KaoRyx says, both GW2 and SW:TOR haven't been released yet, so a bit premature to start foretelling any doom or guaranteed success of either MMO. Or of the other upcoming MMO's btw. Besides, both Bioware and ArenaNet are keeping a healthy lid on any extreme hyping from themselves, they only reveal features that are workable and made it into the game.
As a last note, I'd think that any true fan of MMO games in general would applaud it for many of the upcoming MMO's to be successful and great fun: the more great games to choose from and switch between, the better.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
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Have they decided to make TOR an MMO yet? Or is it still a do what I say hand holder until you finish doing what they tell you to do at which time you can mill around in a mob with the other glowbats and cry about lack of content?
Gear based or Skill based?
I am curious as to how much of a part is gear going to play in PvP? Will gear be the determining factor in PvP or will actually being skilled with the keyboard and mouse play the bigger role? For example, I currently play Age of Conan mainly due to the skill requirement to be successful with the melee classes. Early on in AoC, the gear you had equipped accounted for about 25% of your damage output, but due to cries from carebear gamers who wanted the gear to do the work for them, this is not the case anymore unfortunately. Lower level character classes are not affected by this too much being that they don't have access to purple grade drops as do players that have reached the level cap.
I consider myself a casual gamer who finds it silly that players who spend countless hours playing these games are granted an advantage in PvP because the have raid/dungeon gear that does the work for them as far as PvP is concerned. Most MMO's seem to cater to the player who lives on the game the most opposed to the player who knows how to utilize the mouse and keyboard.
I also wanted to know if the plans were to make this game CC heavy? Will successful PvP be determined by the class with the most CC's or who can CC lock a player throughout the entire duration of the fight or will the factor be determined by skill?
I am interested in knowing where Bioware stands on this.
Some of you posting on here are beyond retarded and need to read up on what you're trying to argue about before posting. Guild Wars 2 is made and developed by a company called Arena Net which is made up of developers that made Star Craft/were in WOW's first stages of development when WOW was actually a good/not easy mode game. NCSOFT has no input on GW2's development, they are simply the publishers of the gamel; making a statement that says NCSOFT develops and runs GW2 is beyond retarded, it's like saying EA is developing your precious SWTOR when they are just publishing it.
You obviously don't know what hype is, you retard. Hype is developers hyping their game, not people from an MMO website. The hype level games get on this site is from player ratings, it's more like player ratings than anything else, meaning a lot more people on this site are looking forward to GW2 than SWTOR. Arena Net hasn't been hyping GW2 at all, Bioware has been hyping SWTOR.
I am gonna frikkin cry!!
this is some awesome news!!!!!!!
Nerdraging fanbois (GW2 in your case) with magic spheres looking into every MMO's future are always amusing to watch on this forum.
Sorry kid, not a GW2 fanboi by any means, I just trust Arena-Net and from what I have seen so far, GW2 looks to be pretty good and staying true to the most important aspects of the Guild Wars franchise. Fanbois are like religious zealots just like yourself and anyone else that defends a dying game or a game that looks to be like a complete failure (As if it was the second coming of Jesus Christ.) until the ends of time. If GW2 fails and I see it failing I will not defend it like a religious zealot, SWTOR fanbois will defend that game until it's on its death bed. In the past 12 years I have been burned by too many MMOs to get hyped about any future MMOs, the hype SWTOR devs/marketing are giving to the game is beyond disgusting, reminds me of AION/Warhammer hype. I got burned by AION horribly and now I have to play it until January 2011 because I payed for a full year's sub. I despise over-hyped games and that is why I hate on SWTOR.
Nerdraging fanbois (GW2 in your case) with magic spheres looking into every MMO's future are always amusing to watch on this forum.
Sorry kid, not a GW2 fanboi by any means, I just trust Arena-Net and from what I have seen so far, GW2 looks to be pretty good and staying true to the most important aspects of the Guild Wars franchise. Fanbois are like religious zealots just like yourself and anyone else that defends a dying game or a game that looks to be like a complete failure (As if it was the second coming of Jesus Christ.) until the ends of time. If GW2 fails and I see it failing I will not defend it like a religious zealot, SWTOR fanbois will defend that game until it's on its death bed. In the past 12 years I have been burned by too many MMOs to get hyped about any future MMOs, the hype SWTOR devs/marketing are giving to the game is beyond disgusting, reminds me of AION/Warhammer hype. I got burned by AION horribly and now I have to play it until January 2011 because I payed for a full year's sub. I despise over-hyped games and that is why I hate on SWTOR.
You are as much a fanboi for GW2 as any of the TOR supporters you claimed were TOR fanbois. Arena-Net has no stronger a reputation than Bioware, it is merely your allegiance to them that determines your support. Since both games aren't released, your random support puts you in the same category of those you yourself mocked. Also, you shouldn't project your insecurities onto new games just because you yourself made terrible decisions in the past. You assume SW:TOR fans will defend it if it's failing, why? Because they defend it now? The games not out yet genius, there is no way of knowing what you are saying. Not to mention that considering you claim to hate overhyped games, you are in strong support of GW2 which is just as hyped as TOR. You're posts are riddled with inconsistencies and narrow-mindedness. You should probably try to avoid trolling the future, leave it to the trolls who are intelligent enough to formulate semi-decent aggressions.
Someday we'll all look back on the age of computers - and lol.
Lol. Bravo. It's certainly ironic how those who project themselves as being "enlightened" because they aren't fanbois, have more in common with those fanbois than they realise. Especially when it comes to labelling others as being the extreme opposite of their views.
Another irony point is how people claim that SWTOR is getting hyped far more than other games. And yet, SWTOR is getting about as much hype as GW2 is doing both on this and other sites.
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Fine line between hyping and just being dense in the head. Then again all new mmo's these days are getting hyped by people. Why would GW2 or SWTOR be any different?
When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?
This.
Voices of reason like this one should be structurally encouraged.
Let's all be reasonable and take a step back, shall we?
Like KaoRyx says, both GW2 and SW:TOR haven't been released yet, so a bit premature to start foretelling any doom or guaranteed success of either MMO. Or of the other upcoming MMO's btw. Besides, both Bioware and ArenaNet are keeping a healthy lid on any extreme hyping from themselves, they only reveal features that are workable and made it into the game.
As a last note, I'd think that any true fan of MMO games in general would applaud it for many of the upcoming MMO's to be successful and great fun: the more great games to choose from and switch between, the better.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."