I will not be playing it because there is no jump, because there is no swimming, because you can change classes on a dime, because despite the fact that you cannot jump or swim you'll need an uber-rig to play it, because I heard they were sticking with that old shitty keyboard control scheme, because they added no new races, that's why I will not be playing it. Not just because I cannot jump or swim.
I will not be playing it because there is no jump, because there is no swimming, because you can change classes on a dime, because despite the fact that you cannot jump or swim you'll need an uber-rig to play it, because I heard they were sticking with that old shitty keyboard control scheme, because they added no new races, that's why I will not be playing it. Not just because I cannot jump or swim.
I respect the totality of your reasons for not playing. Though, the game may still offer a lot more that might change your mind. If you have a friend who is going to play... ask him if you can try the game on a class he doesn't plan on leveling. That way, you can see if you like it and he can get some skills out of a class he never intended to level.
I will not be playing it because there is no jump, because there is no swimming, because you can change classes on a dime, because despite the fact that you cannot jump or swim you'll need an uber-rig to play it, because I heard they were sticking with that old shitty keyboard control scheme, because they added no new races, that's why I will not be playing it. Not just because I cannot jump or swim.
There is lil thing in the orignal post that ask not the vote if you have that many reasons lol. It literally does say jump swim
Did it ever cross your minds that designers of the game had a vision for how they wanted their game to be played and how the world they designed is supposed to look and interact? The choice of not having jumping and swimming in a game could be an artistic one, and a such motive should be easy to respect.
It is hard though for me to imagine that any significant percentage of potential costumers would be so vain and nitpicky about their personal method of immersion that they would say no to a game simply because it does not include jumping and swimming. There are so many other factors that more sane players also take into consideration, such as the combat system, the class system, the leveling system, the lore, the grouping content, the solable content, etc.
Combat system, class system, leveling system, lore, grouping, solo...yeah, I totally agree with you, those are all awesome if not essential features. But there isnt any game that doesnt offer those. I would certainly NOT play a game that was ONLY swimming and jumping...that would be a bad MMO. But there are so many games that offer ALL those things...why play one that leaves some out?
I meant that a more sane player would investigate multiple aspects of the game before drawing a conclusion regarding a purchase of the game. I didn't mean that the mere existence is enough to justify a purchase. In other words: sure a game could lack jumping and swimming, but make sure to investigate if the rest of the game sounds like something you could enjoy. If the rest of the game is superb, and jumping and swimming is left out due to artistic reasons, then perhaps that is good enough to justify a purchase.
I voted no. Now, some back story. I didn't play the previous FF MMO, I was engrossed in SoE and CoH at the time. I was quite interested in FFXIV becuase the original has gotten fairly high praise, and the hype for this one was off the charts. Then I heard there wouldn't be jumping, and I was instantly wary. Then I heard no swimming, and the game flew off my buy list forever. As I said in another post, it ruins the immersion factor. When im in a game, and I come across a fence, I want climb or jump over. When I see a river, I want to swim in and through. That is part of the immersion, the exploration, the feeling that you are in a living breathing world.
I also understand that not everyone thinks this way. That is fine, there are plenty of MMOs for me, and plenty for the decent number of folks that feel the way I do.
That being said, I want to make clear that any game dev that leaves these features out is making a bad decision. Ive heard many times on forums about this people saying "Oh, this game isnt for you, move along." And I agree. But realize this: I and others won't play this game because it lacks these features. You and others would STILL play this game if they HAD those features. Im not hearing anyone say they wouldnt play if they added swimming and jumping. So the Devs are only limiting their community by their actions, not expanding them. Bad decision.
As i said so often already that all sounds good and stuff but fact is u wouldn't be able to climb over the fence or swim across the river with all your stuff anyway u also sure as hell wouldn't leave half of your inventory behind only to do so.
So why is it that important for u folks?? And even if we leave the weight of your stuff out who would swim fully clothed through a river and than continue to travel in wet clothes??
As for your point that no one would not play if they add the features well u r prolly right with that BUT i did quit my very first WOW trial after entering the first big city and seeing all the kids jumping around it was such a turn off that i immediately logged off and uninstalled the game.
So maybe ppls would still play if swimming and jumping would be added but maybe they wouldn't stay because of the gamer community.
I would LOVE if a game made me remove my heavy equipment before going swimming! That would be so awesome. Unfortunately, thats a feature I havent seen implemented yet, it seems to be beyond the capabilities of current systems. But thats no excuse to leave out swimming altogether. That is where a little imagination comes in. I imagine that my character has made the appropriate preparations for an underwater swim. But it's alot easier to pretend im swimming naked while my toon is fully armored, than to pretend im swimming while my toon sits on the bank of the water.
Yes its sad that this kind of system isn't in games but that's how it is. I do understand your points tho about the i imagine i left my heavy stuff behind but come on lets be serious most of u dont want to swim because of the swimming part u want to swim so u dont have to walk 1 min more and cross a bridge. So all the i imagine i left my heavy armor on the other side and than magically teleported it over to me is just dumb.
FF11 allowed u to walk through shallow water which is pretty much all u would do in RL
I really do understand why ppls think swimming and jumping is important but like i said u all wouldn't want for it be real (so leave your heavy stuff) so why even bother telling us that leaving it out is not real??
Honestly playing in a world where heavy armored ppls cross bridges and use gates instead of swimming through the river or jumping over the fence does seem a lot realer to me.
I will not be playing it because there is no jump, because there is no swimming, because you can change classes on a dime, because despite the fact that you cannot jump or swim you'll need an uber-rig to play it, because I heard they were sticking with that old shitty keyboard control scheme, because they added no new races, that's why I will not be playing it. Not just because I cannot jump or swim.
I respect the totality of your reasons for not playing. Though, the game may still offer a lot more that might change your mind. If you have a friend who is going to play... ask him if you can try the game on a class he doesn't plan on leveling. That way, you can see if you like it and he can get some skills out of a class he never intended to level.
I'm afraid the majority of my friends only play WoW and anything WoWish.
But I will try FFXIV when a trial or sneak peek is released, I simply will not preorder it or purchase it until then.
I will not be playing it because there is no jump, because there is no swimming, because you can change classes on a dime, because despite the fact that you cannot jump or swim you'll need an uber-rig to play it, because I heard they were sticking with that old shitty keyboard control scheme, because they added no new races, that's why I will not be playing it. Not just because I cannot jump or swim.
There is lil thing in the orignal post that ask not the vote if you have that many reasons lol. It literally does say jump swim
Did it ever cross your minds that designers of the game had a vision for how they wanted their game to be played and how the world they designed is supposed to look and interact? The choice of not having jumping and swimming in a game could be an artistic one, and a such motive should be easy to respect.
It is hard though for me to imagine that any significant percentage of potential costumers would be so vain and nitpicky about their personal method of immersion that they would say no to a game simply because it does not include jumping and swimming. There are so many other factors that more sane players also take into consideration, such as the combat system, the class system, the leveling system, the lore, the grouping content, the solable content, etc.
DId it ever cross your mind that I could give a squat what the developers "vision" is? Seriously dude, f--- the developers. Im going to play a game I want to play how I want to play it. If the developers cant make a game that I will enjoy I will not give them my money.
End of story.
lol. The developers create the game... you don't care what they think, but they should care on what you think THEIR game should have?
I'm sorry, but your comment is pretty silly.
Is it? Their product is a solicitation attempt for MY money. I dont know what communist country you come from, but out in the real world we get to choose what we spend our money on. This means that we, as consumers, get to decide what we will accept and what we will not. The developers vision means precisely nothing.
Regardless, I will not be playing this game. If the community on this thread is indicative of the people I will meet ingame, then Ive made the right decision. You all can enjoy your Justin Bieber records, your Ke$sha posters, and whatever you happen to think is 'popular.' I'll stick with whats fun.
1) Jumping / Swimming really doesn't mean that much to me.
2) The emo losers who this does mean alot to, aren't the people that I want to play games with, and if they won't be playing FFXIV, well then that's all the more reason for me to play it.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
1) Jumping / Swimming really doesn't mean that much to me.
2) The emo losers who this does mean alot to, aren't the people that I want to play games with, and if they won't be playing FFXIV, well then that's all the more reason for me to play it.
So people who like to jump and swim, which are staples of almost every MMO, are emo losers? Yes, I have yet another reason for why I will likely not be playing this, him.
Did it ever cross your minds that designers of the game had a vision for how they wanted their game to be played and how the world they designed is supposed to look and interact? The choice of not having jumping and swimming in a game could be an artistic one, and a such motive should be easy to respect.
It is hard though for me to imagine that any significant percentage of potential costumers would be so vain and nitpicky about their personal method of immersion that they would say no to a game simply because it does not include jumping and swimming. There are so many other factors that more sane players also take into consideration, such as the combat system, the class system, the leveling system, the lore, the grouping content, the solable content, etc.
DId it ever cross your mind that I could give a squat what the developers "vision" is? Seriously dude, f--- the developers. Im going to play a game I want to play how I want to play it. If the developers cant make a game that I will enjoy I will not give them my money.
End of story.
lol. The developers create the game... you don't care what they think, but they should care on what you think THEIR game should have?
I'm sorry, but your comment is pretty silly.
Is it? Their product is a solicitation attempt for MY money. I dont know what communist country you come from, but out in the real world we get to choose what we spend our money on. This means that we, as consumers, get to decide what we will accept and what we will not. The developers vision means precisely nothing.
Here's a brain teaser for you. What if you really want jump/swim in the game, and someone like me, really doesn't? Who should they listen to? They listen to themselves because they know that people want different things. If they try to cater to the majority, the game will lose its identity and become a watered down version of their vision.
This idea is further compounded by the fact that FFXI did not have jumping or swiming and the 500k people that played it for 7-8 years didn't care. So why would they alienate their loyal player base by catering to people that didn't even support FFXI through the years.
As a game company, would you listen to your devoted/loyal player base, or the casual gamer who's likely not going to devote years to your game?
Edit: Sure, SE would like mainstream appeal, but unlike Blizzard, they are not willing to give up on what they feel FFXIV should be. They also saw that games that came out trying to be like WoW failed miserably. The best competition against WoW is to offer something that is not WoW. Why would people leave WoW for a "better" version of WoW? That's not going to happen. Give SE some credit... I think they're taking the most logical, sensible, and realistic approach to FFXIV, while also not compromising their vision of the game.
^_^ I am actually really happy that there will be no Jumping or Swimming in FFXIV. Who would have thought that such a simple non-feature would work so much wonders in keeping the WoW mindset out of the game. The I want it NOW generation of gamers that WoW has catered to can stay in those games where they get their cheap thrills from easy kills and dumbed down encounters. Leave us with this "hell-hole" of a game that SE is developing for us. We actually like it this way :-D
Thanks for looking, don't let the proverbial door hit you on the way out. :-P
If I get the chance I will play. Jumping or Swimming or Sitting do not add or remove any replayability or fun factor to MMOs. The only way Jumping would affect a MMO would be IF and only IF the game was action combat oriented like Mortal Online and Darkfall Online or just a shooter mmo.
Swimming doesn't add anything since it would be too much unrealistic(even for a fantasy game) to have players in full plate armor float and/or fight in the water and not be slowed by the water.
Sitting - the only thing this ever did in any of the mmos I have played is accelerate the natural healing process of characters.
Regardless, I will not be playing this game. If the community on this thread is indicative of the people I will meet ingame, then Ive made the right decision. You all can enjoy your Justin Bieber records, your Ke$sha posters, and whatever you happen to think is 'popular.' I'll stick with whats fun.
What makes you think we want to play something what's popular? "No jumping and swimming" is the opposite of mainstream.
You are entitled to your opinion, but looking down on those who disagree is childish.
"But they do it too mommy!"
Doesn't mean you have to do it too. You are no better than they are right now.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
^_^ I am actually really happy that there will be no Jumping or Swimming in FFXIV. Who would have thought that such a simple non-feature would work so much wonders in keeping the WoW mindset out of the game. The I want it NOW generation of gamers that WoW has catered to can stay in those games where they get their cheap thrills from easy kills and dumbed down encounters. Leave us with this "hell-hole" of a game that SE is developing for us. We actually like it this way :-D
Thanks for looking, don't let the proverbial door hit you on the way out. :-P
And what, EXACTLY, do jumping and swimming have to do with "Cheap thrills from easy kills and dumbed down encounters"? What does the WoW mindset have to do with jumping and swimming? I fail to see your logic, if there even is any. As a RPer since the early 90's, I have never even touched WoW, even though im so "gung-ho" about jumping and swimming. Basically, you're transposing the general hatred of WoW and its community onto people who want something thats offered by most games available?
Swimming doesn't add anything since it would be too much unrealistic(even for a fantasy game) to have players in full plate armor float and/or fight in the water and not be slowed by the water.
It's not unrealistic for people in gear to swim. There's a lot of proof out there that armor clad individuals are able to move through water. Even modern militaries have their soldiers swimming with 40+ pounds of equipment on them and that's a lot more weight than plate armor.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
1) Jumping / Swimming really doesn't mean that much to me.
2) The emo losers who this does mean alot to, aren't the people that I want to play games with, and if they won't be playing FFXIV, well then that's all the more reason for me to play it.
So people who like to jump and swim, which are staples of almost every MMO, are emo losers? Yes, I have yet another reason for why I will likely not be playing this, him.
No, but the ones who base their decision on whether or not to play a game based on the presence or absence of jumping and/or swimming are.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
Regardless, I will not be playing this game. If the community on this thread is indicative of the people I will meet ingame, then Ive made the right decision. You all can enjoy your Justin Bieber records, your Ke$sha posters, and whatever you happen to think is 'popular.' I'll stick with whats fun.
What makes you think we want to play something what's popular? "No jumping and swimming" is the opposite of mainstream.
You are entitled to your opinion, but looking down on those who disagree is childish.
"But they do it too mommy!"
Doesn't mean you have to do it too. You are no better than they are right now.
Originally posted by NyQuil81 people who want something thats offered by most games available?
Hmm people are crying that all games have the same features and nobody does something different and this company changes the mold a little and state swimming and jumping isnt needed for the content we create. Don't worry there are enough games where you can bunny hop and swim your heart out, FF XIV simple isnt for you 8)
^_^ I am actually really happy that there will be no Jumping or Swimming in FFXIV. Who would have thought that such a simple non-feature would work so much wonders in keeping the WoW mindset out of the game. The I want it NOW generation of gamers that WoW has catered to can stay in those games where they get their cheap thrills from easy kills and dumbed down encounters. Leave us with this "hell-hole" of a game that SE is developing for us. We actually like it this way :-D
Thanks for looking, don't let the proverbial door hit you on the way out. :-P
And what, EXACTLY, do jumping and swimming have to do with "Cheap thrills from easy kills and dumbed down encounters"? What does the WoW mindset have to do with jumping and swimming? I fail to see your logic, if there even is any. As a RPer since the early 90's, I have never even touched WoW, even though im so "gung-ho" about jumping and swimming. Basically, you're transposing the general hatred of WoW and its community onto people who want something thats offered by most games available?
Wow examples, though unfair sometimes, are the best way of driving the point home since everyone has pretty much played WoW.
From my personal experience, I have had group members jump from beginning to the end of the instance. I've seen people jumping up and down in Ironforge and Stormwind. I see them jumping as they duel. I seem them jumping when they're bored during a raid, because the encounter is on farm status.
As for swimming, I dont' care one way or another. But the fact that you can swing a heavy 2h axe at the same speed when not in water, is not realistic. The fact that you don't drown or sink while in the water wearing full plate, is not realistic.
I really feel people are overstating the importance of swiming and jumping. Because all the recent mmos (last 5 years) had the feature, people all of sudden think that MMO should have those features.
Well... i'm tired of clones. I like a game that is different. They didn't exclude jumping/swimming just to be different. SE's reason is solid. They don't hve jumping/swiming because neither the combat, game mechanics, or encounters requiring jumping or swimming. If this "Breaks" immersion for you, I'd recommend playing the game before deciding if its immersive or not.
I've played over a dozen MMO's and FFXI was the most immersive. It didn't have jumping or swimming. Go Figure.
1) Jumping / Swimming really doesn't mean that much to me.
2) The emo losers who this does mean alot to, aren't the people that I want to play games with, and if they won't be playing FFXIV, well then that's all the more reason for me to play it.
So people who like to jump and swim, which are staples of almost every MMO, are emo losers? Yes, I have yet another reason for why I will likely not be playing this, him.
No, but the ones who base their decision on whether or not to play a game based on the presence or absence of jumping and/or swimming are.
Oh? Well people who would play an RPG without the ablility to RP basic human movements like swimming and jumping are simpletons. (That's what we're doing, now, right? Insulting people based on gameplay preferences?)
Did it ever cross your minds that designers of the game had a vision for how they wanted their game to be played and how the world they designed is supposed to look and interact? The choice of not having jumping and swimming in a game could be an artistic one, and a such motive should be easy to respect.
It is hard though for me to imagine that any significant percentage of potential costumers would be so vain and nitpicky about their personal method of immersion that they would say no to a game simply because it does not include jumping and swimming. There are so many other factors that more sane players also take into consideration, such as the combat system, the class system, the leveling system, the lore, the grouping content, the solable content, etc.
DId it ever cross your mind that I could give a squat what the developers "vision" is? Seriously dude, f--- the developers. Im going to play a game I want to play how I want to play it. If the developers cant make a game that I will enjoy I will not give them my money.
End of story.
lol. The developers create the game... you don't care what they think, but they should care on what you think THEIR game should have?
I'm sorry, but your comment is pretty silly.
Is it? Their product is a solicitation attempt for MY money. I dont know what communist country you come from, but out in the real world we get to choose what we spend our money on. This means that we, as consumers, get to decide what we will accept and what we will not. The developers vision means precisely nothing.
Regardless, I will not be playing this game. If the community on this thread is indicative of the people I will meet ingame, then Ive made the right decision. You all can enjoy your Justin Bieber records, your Ke$sha posters, and whatever you happen to think is 'popular.' I'll stick with whats fun.
Yes it is u make it sound like they make a game for u and u alone in mind and they dont care for all the other millions of ppls who still choose there product even tho u would not.
And i am sure that this is as far from the truth as it could possible get lol they give a damn about u or me for that matter they will sell enough and they will have a big enough community they managed it in 11 and i am sure they can do it again.
As for u sticking with whats fun i guess that's a smart choice we all should and if u r indicative for the people who will not play ff because of the missing jump feature we all will have more fun in FF14 and a way less drama since that seems to be something u consider fun (judging by your posts)
So all clear u go play w/e u want and have fun and we play 14 and have fun and all r happy XD
Swimming doesn't add anything since it would be too much unrealistic(even for a fantasy game) to have players in full plate armor float and/or fight in the water and not be slowed by the water.
It's not unrealistic for people in gear to swim. There's a lot of proof out there that armor clad individuals are able to move through water. Even modern militaries have their soldiers swimming with 40+ pounds of equipment on them and that's a lot more weight than plate armor.
Yeah that's true but my equipment for once way better in floating than a steel harness lol also did we never swim in our uniforms we always had a full suite so that in fact our uniform and armor was not wet.....
BTW a full plate armor could be if really light crafted about 45 pounds and that is still without all your inventory and weapons and stuff
those things don't bother me too much. I won't be playing because I don't have the time required to wait for combat. I watch the videos of the combat and i'm sorry, that is way to slow and choppy. I honestly can see myself getting angry if i aggro something i didn't mean to... "crap, i just aggroed that angry deer, here's 5 minutes of my life i won't be getting back."
How about this for all the folks claiming that SE has no reason to have things like water content in FFXIV...this is the description given for the Roegadyn, one of the races of the game:
"
Known for their brawny builds and piercing eyes, the Roegadyn are the largest and most rugged of Eorzea's races.
The majority of the realm's Roegadyn belong to the Sea Wolf clan, a maritime people who earn their keep on or by the sea, be it as sailors, Fisherman, or pirates. Comparatively fewer in number are the Hellsguard who are known for their more earnest demeanors and can often be found working as bodyguards and smithies."
So there you have a race that is essentially a sea-faring race. Sailors, pirates...surely these things SCREAM for the ability to sail to the islands that the Roegadyn and Lalafell come from? You know, the islands stated in the racial descriptions? So now we have a sea-faring race that can't even go into the water...how realistic is that? Sounds to me like this game calls for water-activities far MORE than most that actually have them.
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I will not be playing it because there is no jump, because there is no swimming, because you can change classes on a dime, because despite the fact that you cannot jump or swim you'll need an uber-rig to play it, because I heard they were sticking with that old shitty keyboard control scheme, because they added no new races, that's why I will not be playing it. Not just because I cannot jump or swim.
I'm free on Friday.
I respect the totality of your reasons for not playing. Though, the game may still offer a lot more that might change your mind. If you have a friend who is going to play... ask him if you can try the game on a class he doesn't plan on leveling. That way, you can see if you like it and he can get some skills out of a class he never intended to level.
There is lil thing in the orignal post that ask not the vote if you have that many reasons lol. It literally does say jump swim
I meant that a more sane player would investigate multiple aspects of the game before drawing a conclusion regarding a purchase of the game. I didn't mean that the mere existence is enough to justify a purchase. In other words: sure a game could lack jumping and swimming, but make sure to investigate if the rest of the game sounds like something you could enjoy. If the rest of the game is superb, and jumping and swimming is left out due to artistic reasons, then perhaps that is good enough to justify a purchase.
Yes its sad that this kind of system isn't in games but that's how it is. I do understand your points tho about the i imagine i left my heavy stuff behind but come on lets be serious most of u dont want to swim because of the swimming part u want to swim so u dont have to walk 1 min more and cross a bridge. So all the i imagine i left my heavy armor on the other side and than magically teleported it over to me is just dumb.
FF11 allowed u to walk through shallow water which is pretty much all u would do in RL
I really do understand why ppls think swimming and jumping is important but like i said u all wouldn't want for it be real (so leave your heavy stuff) so why even bother telling us that leaving it out is not real??
Honestly playing in a world where heavy armored ppls cross bridges and use gates instead of swimming through the river or jumping over the fence does seem a lot realer to me.
I'm afraid the majority of my friends only play WoW and anything WoWish.
But I will try FFXIV when a trial or sneak peek is released, I simply will not preorder it or purchase it until then.
I'm free on Friday.
I just woke up... :'|
I'm free on Friday.
Is it? Their product is a solicitation attempt for MY money. I dont know what communist country you come from, but out in the real world we get to choose what we spend our money on. This means that we, as consumers, get to decide what we will accept and what we will not. The developers vision means precisely nothing.
Regardless, I will not be playing this game. If the community on this thread is indicative of the people I will meet ingame, then Ive made the right decision. You all can enjoy your Justin Bieber records, your Ke$sha posters, and whatever you happen to think is 'popular.' I'll stick with whats fun.
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I voted that I will still be playing..
2 reasons..
1) Jumping / Swimming really doesn't mean that much to me.
2) The emo losers who this does mean alot to, aren't the people that I want to play games with, and if they won't be playing FFXIV, well then that's all the more reason for me to play it.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
So people who like to jump and swim, which are staples of almost every MMO, are emo losers? Yes, I have yet another reason for why I will likely not be playing this, him.
I'm free on Friday.
Here's a brain teaser for you. What if you really want jump/swim in the game, and someone like me, really doesn't? Who should they listen to? They listen to themselves because they know that people want different things. If they try to cater to the majority, the game will lose its identity and become a watered down version of their vision.
This idea is further compounded by the fact that FFXI did not have jumping or swiming and the 500k people that played it for 7-8 years didn't care. So why would they alienate their loyal player base by catering to people that didn't even support FFXI through the years.
As a game company, would you listen to your devoted/loyal player base, or the casual gamer who's likely not going to devote years to your game?
Edit: Sure, SE would like mainstream appeal, but unlike Blizzard, they are not willing to give up on what they feel FFXIV should be. They also saw that games that came out trying to be like WoW failed miserably. The best competition against WoW is to offer something that is not WoW. Why would people leave WoW for a "better" version of WoW? That's not going to happen. Give SE some credit... I think they're taking the most logical, sensible, and realistic approach to FFXIV, while also not compromising their vision of the game.
^_^ I am actually really happy that there will be no Jumping or Swimming in FFXIV. Who would have thought that such a simple non-feature would work so much wonders in keeping the WoW mindset out of the game. The I want it NOW generation of gamers that WoW has catered to can stay in those games where they get their cheap thrills from easy kills and dumbed down encounters. Leave us with this "hell-hole" of a game that SE is developing for us. We actually like it this way :-D
Thanks for looking, don't let the proverbial door hit you on the way out. :-P
Yes.
If I get the chance I will play. Jumping or Swimming or Sitting do not add or remove any replayability or fun factor to MMOs. The only way Jumping would affect a MMO would be IF and only IF the game was action combat oriented like Mortal Online and Darkfall Online or just a shooter mmo.
Swimming doesn't add anything since it would be too much unrealistic(even for a fantasy game) to have players in full plate armor float and/or fight in the water and not be slowed by the water.
Sitting - the only thing this ever did in any of the mmos I have played is accelerate the natural healing process of characters.
What makes you think we want to play something what's popular? "No jumping and swimming" is the opposite of mainstream.
You are entitled to your opinion, but looking down on those who disagree is childish.
"But they do it too mommy!"
Doesn't mean you have to do it too. You are no better than they are right now.
And what, EXACTLY, do jumping and swimming have to do with "Cheap thrills from easy kills and dumbed down encounters"? What does the WoW mindset have to do with jumping and swimming? I fail to see your logic, if there even is any. As a RPer since the early 90's, I have never even touched WoW, even though im so "gung-ho" about jumping and swimming. Basically, you're transposing the general hatred of WoW and its community onto people who want something thats offered by most games available?
It's not unrealistic for people in gear to swim. There's a lot of proof out there that armor clad individuals are able to move through water. Even modern militaries have their soldiers swimming with 40+ pounds of equipment on them and that's a lot more weight than plate armor.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
No, but the ones who base their decision on whether or not to play a game based on the presence or absence of jumping and/or swimming are.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
Haha wow well http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/gateway_demographics.html most mmo players work full time average age 26. 25% teenagers. I mean come on Hyanmen is right.
Hmm people are crying that all games have the same features and nobody does something different and this company changes the mold a little and state swimming and jumping isnt needed for the content we create. Don't worry there are enough games where you can bunny hop and swim your heart out, FF XIV simple isnt for you 8)
Wow examples, though unfair sometimes, are the best way of driving the point home since everyone has pretty much played WoW.
From my personal experience, I have had group members jump from beginning to the end of the instance. I've seen people jumping up and down in Ironforge and Stormwind. I see them jumping as they duel. I seem them jumping when they're bored during a raid, because the encounter is on farm status.
As for swimming, I dont' care one way or another. But the fact that you can swing a heavy 2h axe at the same speed when not in water, is not realistic. The fact that you don't drown or sink while in the water wearing full plate, is not realistic.
I really feel people are overstating the importance of swiming and jumping. Because all the recent mmos (last 5 years) had the feature, people all of sudden think that MMO should have those features.
Well... i'm tired of clones. I like a game that is different. They didn't exclude jumping/swimming just to be different. SE's reason is solid. They don't hve jumping/swiming because neither the combat, game mechanics, or encounters requiring jumping or swimming. If this "Breaks" immersion for you, I'd recommend playing the game before deciding if its immersive or not.
I've played over a dozen MMO's and FFXI was the most immersive. It didn't have jumping or swimming. Go Figure.
Oh? Well people who would play an RPG without the ablility to RP basic human movements like swimming and jumping are simpletons. (That's what we're doing, now, right? Insulting people based on gameplay preferences?)
Yes it is u make it sound like they make a game for u and u alone in mind and they dont care for all the other millions of ppls who still choose there product even tho u would not.
And i am sure that this is as far from the truth as it could possible get lol they give a damn about u or me for that matter they will sell enough and they will have a big enough community they managed it in 11 and i am sure they can do it again.
As for u sticking with whats fun i guess that's a smart choice we all should and if u r indicative for the people who will not play ff because of the missing jump feature we all will have more fun in FF14 and a way less drama since that seems to be something u consider fun (judging by your posts)
So all clear u go play w/e u want and have fun and we play 14 and have fun and all r happy XD
Yeah that's true but my equipment for once way better in floating than a steel harness lol also did we never swim in our uniforms we always had a full suite so that in fact our uniform and armor was not wet.....
BTW a full plate armor could be if really light crafted about 45 pounds and that is still without all your inventory and weapons and stuff
those things don't bother me too much. I won't be playing because I don't have the time required to wait for combat. I watch the videos of the combat and i'm sorry, that is way to slow and choppy. I honestly can see myself getting angry if i aggro something i didn't mean to... "crap, i just aggroed that angry deer, here's 5 minutes of my life i won't be getting back."
How about this for all the folks claiming that SE has no reason to have things like water content in FFXIV...this is the description given for the Roegadyn, one of the races of the game:
"
Known for their brawny builds and piercing eyes, the Roegadyn are the largest and most rugged of Eorzea's races.
The majority of the realm's Roegadyn belong to the Sea Wolf clan, a maritime people who earn their keep on or by the sea, be it as sailors, Fisherman, or pirates. Comparatively fewer in number are the Hellsguard who are known for their more earnest demeanors and can often be found working as bodyguards and smithies."
So there you have a race that is essentially a sea-faring race. Sailors, pirates...surely these things SCREAM for the ability to sail to the islands that the Roegadyn and Lalafell come from? You know, the islands stated in the racial descriptions? So now we have a sea-faring race that can't even go into the water...how realistic is that? Sounds to me like this game calls for water-activities far MORE than most that actually have them.