Simpy because its Final Fanaty. Anyone would be a fool to predict poor box sales. From what's been demonstrated and the vast majroty of negative responces as a result, it won't be retaining subscriptions. Well at least new ones above XI fanbois.
It will be interesting to see if they lift the NDA before launch, or have an open beta.
Mainstream is also what SE are claiming they are aiming for, so claiming FF XI players want it to remain niche is pretty moot. The question though, is will they actually achieve it? Highly unlikely!
to be honest it sonly vocal on here go to gamefaqs boards hardly any negativity also the beta forums dont have alot of negativity onit most people actully like it so far besides controls
Beta boards don't allow all out rants, as they just get deleted like any other company does. The boards are for feedback. Mostly about what is wrong with the game, and suggestions for improvement. Not untypical.
Negative responces to FF XIV are not exclusive to the site.
Yeah all the other people that complain about the other games are not exclusive to this site either....
It's ok not everyone can be pleased, I am sure I got gripes about all sorts of things I just don't assume that everyone is thinking the same thing or that they should all think as I think.
As a brd, you can't even spare 1 sec from the screen. Seriously, ask around.
As a cor, no you can't
As a blm, remove your hand from the keyboard for 2 sec and you are DEAD. (beside the sleep rest trick)
As a DRK, yes you can just leave your drk slash all he want, but what about STUN!!! what about absorb and die when you gullotine the thing. (nyzul 20 here....)
as a dnc, nin, keep your shadow up every 3 sec.or stay alive...
As a pld, you are pretty free. I can go have a drink and come back and still tanking the monster....
As a healer, if you want your tank to die sure. RDM are super busy.
So very true,, apart from the pld side. I leveled all jobs and to be good at it you had to be doing stuf no stop ( had to do it to get maats cap, apart from mnk,could leave it hiting and still be usefull >.>)so the " slow battle " was kinda necessary in order for it to give you enough time to do all you had to do. In 14 is gonna be even worse becouse no Auto atack.So much for the slow combat.
Atm it is slow tought couse the early levels without abilities are slow, altought i got to lv 12 on glad with few abilities from pug and cojurer and im definetly starting to feel the rush =D.LOVE to mix the classes out .
Simpy because its Final Fanaty. Anyone would be a fool to predict poor box sales. From what's been demonstrated and the vast majroty of negative responces as a result, it won't be retaining subscriptions. Well at least new ones above XI fanbois.
It will be interesting to see if they lift the NDA before launch, or have an open beta.
Mainstream is also what SE are claiming they are aiming for, so claiming FF XI players want it to remain niche is pretty moot. The question though, is will they actually achieve it? Highly unlikely!
to be honest it sonly vocal on here go to gamefaqs boards hardly any negativity also the beta forums dont have alot of negativity onit most people actully like it so far besides controls
Beta boards don't allow all out rants, as they just get deleted like any other company does. The boards are for feedback. Mostly about what is wrong with the game, and suggestions for improvement. Not untypical.
Negative responces to FF XIV are not exclusive to the site.
*shrugs im not in beta so i wouldnt know. all i know is this site is horrible for the trolling
Beta boards don't allow all out rants, as they just get deleted like any other company does. The boards are for feedback. Mostly about what is wrong with the game, and suggestions for improvement. Not untypical.
Negative responces to FF XIV are not exclusive to the site.
*shrugs im not in beta so i wouldnt know. all i know is this site is horrible for the trolling
This is kinda like saying, All i know is that these boards allow criticism, curse them. Honestly i see less trolling than i do basisly, mater-o-fact statments that are totaly innaccurate or irrelevant to the topic or discusion at hand.
And if you been part of betas you know as well as i do any actual flat out critisism on the game/devs are not allowed on them. WEll they are but your post will disapear anyway.
Becuase believe it or not hiding the rough aspects of a game is vital to marketing. When what devs should be doign is admitting the issue or at least allowing open discussion about it.
So yeah compaired to beta forums you'll see more pasionet discussion here and thank god for that.
At least this is what i have seen in over 8 years of beta'ing mmos.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Beta boards don't allow all out rants, as they just get deleted like any other company does. The boards are for feedback. Mostly about what is wrong with the game, and suggestions for improvement. Not untypical.
Negative responces to FF XIV are not exclusive to the site.
*shrugs im not in beta so i wouldnt know. all i know is this site is horrible for the trolling
This is kinda like saying, All i know is that these boards allow criticism, curse them. Honestly i see less trolling than i do basisly, mater-o-fact statments that are totaly innaccurate or irrelevant to the topic or discusion at hand.
And if you been part of betas you know as well as i do any actual flat out critisism on the game/devs are not allowed on them. WEll they are but your post will disapear anyway.
Becuase believe it or not hiding the rough aspects of a game is vital to marketing. When what devs should be doign is admitting the issue or at least allowing open discussion about it.
So yeah compaired to beta forums you'll see more pasionet discussion here and thank god for that.
At least this is what i have seen in over 8 years of beta'ing mmos.
Maybe when people learn how to post constructive critisism then we will see less of them just deleting the post, the "flat out critisism" serves no purpose except to start a dung flinging contest, thats why they get deleted.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore) Now Playing: N/A Worst MMO: FFXIV Favorite MMO: FFXI
Beta boards don't allow all out rants, as they just get deleted like any other company does. The boards are for feedback. Mostly about what is wrong with the game, and suggestions for improvement. Not untypical.
Negative responces to FF XIV are not exclusive to the site.
*shrugs im not in beta so i wouldnt know. all i know is this site is horrible for the trolling
This is kinda like saying, All i know is that these boards allow criticism, curse them. Honestly i see less trolling than i do basisly, mater-o-fact statments that are totaly innaccurate or irrelevant to the topic or discusion at hand.
And if you been part of betas you know as well as i do any actual flat out critisism on the game/devs are not allowed on them. WEll they are but your post will disapear anyway.
Becuase believe it or not hiding the rough aspects of a game is vital to marketing. When what devs should be doign is admitting the issue or at least allowing open discussion about it.
So yeah compaired to beta forums you'll see more pasionet discussion here and thank god for that.
At least this is what i have seen in over 8 years of beta'ing mmos.
Maybe when people learn how to post constructive critisism then we will see less of them just deleting the post, the "flat out critisism" serves no purpose except to start a dung flinging contest, thats why they get deleted.
Or maybe not. Maybe they want their game looking good. Believe me on beta forums i don't vent, i deal with bugs and suggest improvements to quests most of the time. But that doesn't mean i have not see this happen a lot.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Yeah combat will be slow even on launch for awhile but what people fail to forget is the fact there will be spells to boost your combat speed and skills I'm sure also. You people are judging the speed of the combat on characters who are low level and who are trying to figure out what exactly they are suppose to do and get a feel for it. I see every MMO that is going to release be judged and criticized by people who have no idea what the game is really about or how it will actually be you just judge by what you see and not by what you have done.
I'm pretty sure SE considers their games art and not just another game and with art you paint the picture the way you see it not the way someone else wants it to be.
As someone else pointed out SE is making this game in mind of the people who will stick through the game and not just till the free month runs out. Based on so far everything I know about the game they have drawn a line and they want the subs they know will stay for years and not the person who is a MMO hopper who just wants to play the next MMO that is out.
A few weeks ago I had no interest in FFXIV but the past couple of weeks has changed my mind. Why because I don't want fast paced served atop of boring. I also had no interest in the game hearing the word casual because well yeah we know what that means.
Beta boards don't allow all out rants, as they just get deleted like any other company does. The boards are for feedback. Mostly about what is wrong with the game, and suggestions for improvement. Not untypical.
Negative responces to FF XIV are not exclusive to the site.
*shrugs im not in beta so i wouldnt know. all i know is this site is horrible for the trolling
This is kinda like saying, All i know is that these boards allow criticism, curse them. Honestly i see less trolling than i do basisly, mater-o-fact statments that are totaly innaccurate or irrelevant to the topic or discusion at hand.
And if you been part of betas you know as well as i do any actual flat out critisism on the game/devs are not allowed on them. WEll they are but your post will disapear anyway.
Becuase believe it or not hiding the rough aspects of a game is vital to marketing. When what devs should be doign is admitting the issue or at least allowing open discussion about it.
So yeah compaired to beta forums you'll see more pasionet discussion here and thank god for that.
At least this is what i have seen in over 8 years of beta'ing mmos.
Maybe when people learn how to post constructive critisism then we will see less of them just deleting the post, the "flat out critisism" serves no purpose except to start a dung flinging contest, thats why they get deleted.
Or maybe not. Maybe they want their game looking good. Believe me on beta forums i don't vent, i deal with bugs and suggest improvements to quests most of the time. But that doesn't mean i have not see this happen a lot.
i think hes talking about these boards. People like grape need to learn constructive crit. not bitch and moan then say the game is shit right off the bat.
Much faster, thank you for the video. One thing that I noticed is how the player had to stop, draw his weapon and then attack. You should be able to draw your weapon as you're running.
eh the combat dosnt look that slow, besides it's still in beta and if enough people complain they should change it..
...And they did!
They changed the slow recharging 'action gauge' from the Alpha version to the faster 'stamina gauge' system in Beta, but for some people the battle system will never be fast enough.
More than two hits needed to defeat a standard critter? Normal battles that last longer than 30 seconds? How dare you, how very dare you!
I feel pretty good about the videos I have seen on combat. I think it's just low level and folks are projecting it incorrectly. With ATB inspired combat, battles will become faster and more complex as you acquire abilities and increase your ATB bar. Though, I am just assuming it increases based on FF13. The low level Pugilist videos seem pretty good in pace.
One grumble I have is the annoying sounds for skill initiation/ready. Beern.. beern.. beern.. beern... ugh
Noises occuring that often should be soothing or subtle with more visual representation, less audio.
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Beta boards don't allow all out rants, as they just get deleted like any other company does. The boards are for feedback. Mostly about what is wrong with the game, and suggestions for improvement. Not untypical.
Negative responces to FF XIV are not exclusive to the site.
Yeah all the other people that complain about the other games are not exclusive to this site either....
It's ok not everyone can be pleased, I am sure I got gripes about all sorts of things I just don't assume that everyone is thinking the same thing or that they should all think as I think.
So very true,, apart from the pld side. I leveled all jobs and to be good at it you had to be doing stuf no stop ( had to do it to get maats cap, apart from mnk,could leave it hiting and still be usefull >.>)so the " slow battle " was kinda necessary in order for it to give you enough time to do all you had to do. In 14 is gonna be even worse becouse no Auto atack.So much for the slow combat.
Atm it is slow tought couse the early levels without abilities are slow, altought i got to lv 12 on glad with few abilities from pug and cojurer and im definetly starting to feel the rush =D.LOVE to mix the classes out .
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now back to playing SC2 =D.
*shrugs im not in beta so i wouldnt know. all i know is this site is horrible for the trolling
This is kinda like saying, All i know is that these boards allow criticism, curse them. Honestly i see less trolling than i do basisly, mater-o-fact statments that are totaly innaccurate or irrelevant to the topic or discusion at hand.
And if you been part of betas you know as well as i do any actual flat out critisism on the game/devs are not allowed on them. WEll they are but your post will disapear anyway.
Becuase believe it or not hiding the rough aspects of a game is vital to marketing. When what devs should be doign is admitting the issue or at least allowing open discussion about it.
So yeah compaired to beta forums you'll see more pasionet discussion here and thank god for that.
At least this is what i have seen in over 8 years of beta'ing mmos.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Maybe when people learn how to post constructive critisism then we will see less of them just deleting the post, the "flat out critisism" serves no purpose except to start a dung flinging contest, thats why they get deleted.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Or maybe not. Maybe they want their game looking good. Believe me on beta forums i don't vent, i deal with bugs and suggest improvements to quests most of the time. But that doesn't mean i have not see this happen a lot.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Yeah combat will be slow even on launch for awhile but what people fail to forget is the fact there will be spells to boost your combat speed and skills I'm sure also. You people are judging the speed of the combat on characters who are low level and who are trying to figure out what exactly they are suppose to do and get a feel for it. I see every MMO that is going to release be judged and criticized by people who have no idea what the game is really about or how it will actually be you just judge by what you see and not by what you have done.
I'm pretty sure SE considers their games art and not just another game and with art you paint the picture the way you see it not the way someone else wants it to be.
As someone else pointed out SE is making this game in mind of the people who will stick through the game and not just till the free month runs out. Based on so far everything I know about the game they have drawn a line and they want the subs they know will stay for years and not the person who is a MMO hopper who just wants to play the next MMO that is out.
A few weeks ago I had no interest in FFXIV but the past couple of weeks has changed my mind. Why because I don't want fast paced served atop of boring. I also had no interest in the game hearing the word casual because well yeah we know what that means.
i think hes talking about these boards. People like grape need to learn constructive crit. not bitch and moan then say the game is shit right off the bat.
New combat video of ~20-23 physical levels.
Looks pretty "fast" to me... or at least, faster than FFXI. I dont' know but I can't wait for this game.
Much faster, thank you for the video. One thing that I noticed is how the player had to stop, draw his weapon and then attack. You should be able to draw your weapon as you're running.
...And they did!
They changed the slow recharging 'action gauge' from the Alpha version to the faster 'stamina gauge' system in Beta, but for some people the battle system will never be fast enough.
More than two hits needed to defeat a standard critter? Normal battles that last longer than 30 seconds? How dare you, how very dare you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZFWPOYztB8
How can this be slow?
I feel pretty good about the videos I have seen on combat. I think it's just low level and folks are projecting it incorrectly. With ATB inspired combat, battles will become faster and more complex as you acquire abilities and increase your ATB bar. Though, I am just assuming it increases based on FF13. The low level Pugilist videos seem pretty good in pace.
One grumble I have is the annoying sounds for skill initiation/ready. Beern.. beern.. beern.. beern... ugh
Noises occuring that often should be soothing or subtle with more visual representation, less audio.