Damn the doors..they are stuck, it is surely a deal breaker!
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I do not care about the system, I am just tired of a cartoony game with little kids. This game will at least in my opinion bring in a more mature crowd.
The game is super casual and very easy to play, combined with very low tech graphics that any notebook can play...... and you think this will attract a "more mature crowd".....mmmmmmmkay.
You got this one wrong buddy. Rift is solid, polished and looks great on my rig in ultra mode! It will bring in a lot of bored as hell WoW players!
1. Questing will always remain that way because it's a staple of MMO's...how else would you expect us to go about questing?
2. I'll admit the crafting isn't that great, EQ2 still had the best crafting system.
3. WoW didn't invent achievements
4. Single targeting works, what the hell do you even mean by single targeting?
5. grasping at straws
6. Rift isn't even all that PvP oriented
7. Quest, Level, Raid...do you mean we should raid, level then quest? or Level, raid then quest? I mean I don't know what other way you'd want it to be done, you're complaining about things but offering no real solutions to anything.
8. shut up
9. did you want Panda's and Fairies?
10. it works with the story line
11. Oh I know I wish the devs would just give us everything for free with no effort put in at all
Staple-MMO's like WoW, EQ2 and Rift (to name a few) will exist for many years to come. Why? Because plenty of people like them. As long as they can keep cashing in on subs, it won't change (not yet, atleast).
Thankfully, I've grown out of the so-called "rollercoaster-MMO's". EvE has drawn me in and it is holding me tightly.
Don't get me wrong, though. I enjoyed Rift for the few hours I tested it. But after that, I remembered why I quit WoW and similar games and fired up EvE to remedy that bad taste in my mouth.
On a sidenote: I was impressed by Rift's level of polish, considering the stage it was in and previous experiences I had with other games.
4. Combat - Very boring combat with again no innovation, global cooldown, single targeting system, dated by 7-8 years.
From what beta testers said so far combat system in Rift is better than wow,and sadly or not wow so far has most well working combat system so far.From what they said its more tactical ,during combat u have many meaningfull options ,requires thinking etc etc
I agree though to many others of your signs,crafting quests etc etc
All i can say is that i am one of the alpha testers and you guys are in for a big surprise. That is why i chuckle everytime i read topics like these.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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All i can say is that i am one of the alpha testers and you guys are in for a big surprise. That is why i chuckle everytime i read topics like these.
Actually, a lack of surprises is what this threads all about and no, I doubt there's much that's going to astonish and amaze us.
Well, I hear the game might launch in a very polished state, if so, that would be almost a first in recent years.
Let's wait and watch shall we
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I am pleasantly surprised about the 'overall' playability. I have a good rig and play everything on max. I know that isn't possible for everyone but I am happy with this aspect. As far as the rest of the 'laundry list' is concerned, yes to me Rift is individual concepts long sense pioneered by other MMOs. They never said it wasn't. They said it works, and it does.
My primary concern are the rift (PQs by another name) battles after the first crush on opening day through day 30 or 60. The mobs even in the smaller ones seem quite tough, particularly given the 6-8 packs that rush you. Once the 'core' group of players have leveled up to max (or are approaching it) I think new players, late comers or re-rolls are going to have issues with the rift event playability.
I am pleasantly surprised about the 'overall' playability. I have a good rig and play everything on max. I know that isn't possible for everyone but I am happy with this aspect. As far as the rest of the 'laundry list' is concerned, yes to me Rift is individual concepts long sense pioneered by other MMOs. They never said it wasn't. They said it works, and it does.
My primary concern are the rift (PQs by another name) battles after the first crush on opening day through day 30 or 60. The mobs even in the smaller ones seem quite tough, particularly given the 6-8 packs that rush you. Once the 'core' group of players have leveled up to max (or are approaching it) I think new players, late comers or re-rolls are going to have issues with the rift event playability.
Still on the fence about Rift.
Rift scales according to your level and number of players in vicinity. So if you are all alone, it will scale down in difficulty. Yesterday i spent a lot of time doing rifts all alone in far out corners of map.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I prefer to deal in facts and the fact is anyones experiance of the game through the beta is very limited isn't it . All you can do really is compare it to the very early levels in other games like WoW . Lets face it any mmos early leveling experiance isn't exaclty enthralling . so for this reason alone I think the OPs comments are null and void because they dont apply to a game in its entirity . Not exactly trolling but pretty close to it .
I don't know if I'm going to like Rift or not but I've seen enough to at least buy it and give it a chance . Thats really very rare for me with MMOs these days as I hardly ever pre order a game and play from day one .
I prefer to deal in facts and the fact is anyones experiance of the game through the beta is very limited isn't it . All you can do really is compare it to the very early levels in other games like WoW . Lets face it any mmos early leveling experiance isn't exaclty enthralling . so for this reason alone I think the OPs comments are null and void because they dont apply to a game in its entirity . Not exactly trolling but pretty close to it .
I don't know if I'm going to like Rift or not but I've seen enough to at least buy it and give it a chance . Thats really very rare for me with MMOs these days as I hardly ever pre order a game and play from day one .
Yeah me too and honestly after i got burned by FFXIV CE i decided never ever to pre order again and than Trion released details for the CE edition. Damn, this got to be the best CE hands down. All i got with FFXIV CE was a tumbler and a map. lol
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no? Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I prefer to deal in facts and the fact is anyones experiance of the game through the beta is very limited isn't it . All you can do really is compare it to the very early levels in other games like WoW . Lets face it any mmos early leveling experiance isn't exaclty enthralling . so for this reason alone I think the OPs comments are null and void because they dont apply to a game in its entirity . Not exactly trolling but pretty close to it .
I don't know if I'm going to like Rift or not but I've seen enough to at least buy it and give it a chance . Thats really very rare for me with MMOs these days as I hardly ever pre order a game and play from day one .
You're right, it's only the first 20 levels, PLUS it's only beta, so all my points are definitely null and void. All of them. Especially the ones that are going to be totally different when beta is over and we have access to the other levels like:
Donkeys is trying to bash this game's forums hard. He even posted screenshots in very low quality of the game in another thread then moved the sliders up to make it look like he had the game in max graphics (Before taking the screen shots.), whoever fell for that is an idiot btw. Are you a Blizzard employee Donkeys?
What i really enjoyed in beta, were the possibilites offered to make a truely unique character class template of your own.
But what i miss and am looking for since playing Daoc, is the way a group has to play together and make all the right moves, to kill a group of monsters comming for you. Where healers had to mezz adds, where tanks had to keep agro, and where gameplay wasn't so fast that a fight seemed like just spamming as much buttons as you could press before the mob got killed.
Currently playing browser games. Waiting for Albion Online, Citadel of Sorcery and Camelot Unchained. Played: almost all MMO pre 2007
What you are describing is daoc exactly maybe that is your perfect game.
I tried daoc again but did not enjoy having to sit around waiting for a group to get anything done I am hoping rift will provide content for all and not penalise people for being online on their own on a day off or early morning etc.
From first impressions of all three closed beta i was in i can say - Rift isn't some GotY, but not that bad too. It is just thing to play in meantime before some Greater and Better come out (be it TSW or WoD). To say it's WoW copy-paste would be wrong cuz wow itself was EQ copy-paste. I never played wow cuz there were EQ1 and EQ2 and later LOTRO and then FE, so no time for much easied game. But now i can see what that wow is playing some months of Rift.
Graphic side isn[object Window]t something tremendously new and good, but not bad too. A bit cartoony but less than wow.
What was not da best is some kind of narrow and linear world. Ya open map and see wide area but when ya start moving ya are in narrow valley and sometimes even road-wide area to move on. Nothing similar to FE or LOTRO where ya have big freedom where ya move on and do quests or just exploring around and hunt mobs or gather mats for crafting. Maybe it[object Window]s only starting areas and ya get more freedom when game expands. Maybe they see in future possibility to move thru rifts into other planes and have there epic battles...
Questing is still very basic and very-very handholding themepark. Same old KTR and FedEx types and very linear. Also maybe it tho beta phase but lvling was very fast and easy. But even few months fun isn[object Window]t bad if ya think that those modern single-player games are maybe only few days til week gaming and over.
Explain to me how making a MMORPG game harder with huge wide open areas, and quests with little to no information for you, to wander around for long periods of time is a good thing?, only to end up asking someone where it is, or looking it up on google. This doesn't make an enjoyable experience, and most people will turn away from this sort of model. It's hardcore, yes, I agree it is more rewarding, but in the end it is boring style to choose from. MMORPG's or games in general, don't need to be set to Hard or Expert by default.
A MMO with a more open world encourages (or at least supports) exploration, to look around, find new areas, hidden spots and possibly new quest content that you wouldn't ordinarily know about. A game that leads you around by the nose or, as it's been described, "on rails" by funneling you through very deliberate paths does not allow that. Larger, open environments offer much more variety in scenery, and the possibility of traveling, exploring and discovering new things and places than narrow, directed ones do.
Your retort about quests with little to no information to you, etc... That's a false dichotomy and a strawman wrapped up in one, plain and simple. It's not as though the only alternative to more guided and less open environments where you're funneled from one quest hub to the next are aimless, unguided and frustrating ones where you'r wandering around clueless.
There are myriad ways developers can use - and have used in other MMOs - to provide an open world without leaving players feeling completely lost.
Just one example... You can provide quest dialog with solid clues or a sense of direction, landmarks, region names, and so forth, for players to latch on to which will give them direction and an idea of where to go. You can create environments with recognizable landmarks or land features that players can use as a reference of where they are or which way they need to go.
Something as simple as a general direction arrow on your mini-map is a useful and unobtrusive way to help players along without trapping them in a series of pathways with no way out but through.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
As long as this game continues to be decent and presents a challenge it will be worth it. Anything is more interesting than going back to World of Warcraft.
Currently playing - FF14ARR Previous games - SWG, World of Warcraft, ShadowBane, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Planetside Asheron's Call, Everquest, Everquest 2, Too many.
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Damn the doors..they are stuck, it is surely a deal breaker!
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
You got this one wrong buddy. Rift is solid, polished and looks great on my rig in ultra mode! It will bring in a lot of bored as hell WoW players!
No doors? I'm so not subbing anymore.
1. Questing will always remain that way because it's a staple of MMO's...how else would you expect us to go about questing?
2. I'll admit the crafting isn't that great, EQ2 still had the best crafting system.
3. WoW didn't invent achievements
4. Single targeting works, what the hell do you even mean by single targeting?
5. grasping at straws
6. Rift isn't even all that PvP oriented
7. Quest, Level, Raid...do you mean we should raid, level then quest? or Level, raid then quest? I mean I don't know what other way you'd want it to be done, you're complaining about things but offering no real solutions to anything.
8. shut up
9. did you want Panda's and Fairies?
10. it works with the story line
11. Oh I know I wish the devs would just give us everything for free with no effort put in at all
12. Now you're just getting silly
Staple-MMO's like WoW, EQ2 and Rift (to name a few) will exist for many years to come. Why? Because plenty of people like them. As long as they can keep cashing in on subs, it won't change (not yet, atleast).
Thankfully, I've grown out of the so-called "rollercoaster-MMO's". EvE has drawn me in and it is holding me tightly.
Don't get me wrong, though. I enjoyed Rift for the few hours I tested it. But after that, I remembered why I quit WoW and similar games and fired up EvE to remedy that bad taste in my mouth.
On a sidenote: I was impressed by Rift's level of polish, considering the stage it was in and previous experiences I had with other games.
All i can say is that i am one of the alpha testers and you guys are in for a big surprise. That is why i chuckle everytime i read topics like these.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Actually, a lack of surprises is what this threads all about and no, I doubt there's much that's going to astonish and amaze us.
Well, I hear the game might launch in a very polished state, if so, that would be almost a first in recent years.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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Let's wait and watch shall we
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I am pleasantly surprised about the 'overall' playability. I have a good rig and play everything on max. I know that isn't possible for everyone but I am happy with this aspect. As far as the rest of the 'laundry list' is concerned, yes to me Rift is individual concepts long sense pioneered by other MMOs. They never said it wasn't. They said it works, and it does.
My primary concern are the rift (PQs by another name) battles after the first crush on opening day through day 30 or 60. The mobs even in the smaller ones seem quite tough, particularly given the 6-8 packs that rush you. Once the 'core' group of players have leveled up to max (or are approaching it) I think new players, late comers or re-rolls are going to have issues with the rift event playability.
Still on the fence about Rift.
Rift scales according to your level and number of players in vicinity. So if you are all alone, it will scale down in difficulty. Yesterday i spent a lot of time doing rifts all alone in far out corners of map.
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
I prefer to deal in facts and the fact is anyones experiance of the game through the beta is very limited isn't it . All you can do really is compare it to the very early levels in other games like WoW . Lets face it any mmos early leveling experiance isn't exaclty enthralling . so for this reason alone I think the OPs comments are null and void because they dont apply to a game in its entirity . Not exactly trolling but pretty close to it .
I don't know if I'm going to like Rift or not but I've seen enough to at least buy it and give it a chance . Thats really very rare for me with MMOs these days as I hardly ever pre order a game and play from day one .
Yeah me too and honestly after i got burned by FFXIV CE i decided never ever to pre order again and than Trion released details for the CE edition. Damn, this got to be the best CE hands down. All i got with FFXIV CE was a tumbler and a map. lol
Who could have thought that WOW could bring super power like USA to its knees?
Originally posted by Arcken
To put it in a nutshell, our society is about to hit the fan, grades are dropping, obesity is going up,childhood the USA is going to lose its super power status before too long, but hey, as long as we have a cheap method to babysit our kids, all will be well no?
Im picking on WoW btw because its the beast that made all of this possible
Naw, its much more fun to piss and moan right?
Till it releases, the world may never know
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Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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You're right, it's only the first 20 levels, PLUS it's only beta, so all my points are definitely null and void. All of them. Especially the ones that are going to be totally different when beta is over and we have access to the other levels like:
- 1 starter area for each race
- All races are humanoid and rather bland
- Crafting system
- Generic questing system, etc.
So basicly Rift will be the new FF14? New gen MMO that makes us regret Wow?
same feeling it after playing the beta it doesnt offer anything new.
No is better then FF14 as follows the standards of found in most mmos. However it offers nothing new just the tried and tested formulae
Right nothing can be as bad as FF14
Donkeys is trying to bash this game's forums hard. He even posted screenshots in very low quality of the game in another thread then moved the sliders up to make it look like he had the game in max graphics (Before taking the screen shots.), whoever fell for that is an idiot btw. Are you a Blizzard employee Donkeys?
What i really enjoyed in beta, were the possibilites offered to make a truely unique character class template of your own.
But what i miss and am looking for since playing Daoc, is the way a group has to play together and make all the right moves, to kill a group of monsters comming for you. Where healers had to mezz adds, where tanks had to keep agro, and where gameplay wasn't so fast that a fight seemed like just spamming as much buttons as you could press before the mob got killed.
Currently playing browser games. Waiting for Albion Online, Citadel of Sorcery and Camelot Unchained.
Played: almost all MMO pre 2007
What you are describing is daoc exactly maybe that is your perfect game.
I tried daoc again but did not enjoy having to sit around waiting for a group to get anything done I am hoping rift will provide content for all and not penalise people for being online on their own on a day off or early morning etc.
From first impressions of all three closed beta i was in i can say - Rift isn't some GotY, but not that bad too. It is just thing to play in meantime before some Greater and Better come out (be it TSW or WoD). To say it's WoW copy-paste would be wrong cuz wow itself was EQ copy-paste. I never played wow cuz there were EQ1 and EQ2 and later LOTRO and then FE, so no time for much easied game. But now i can see what that wow is playing some months of Rift.
Graphic side isn[object Window]t something tremendously new and good, but not bad too. A bit cartoony but less than wow.
What was not da best is some kind of narrow and linear world. Ya open map and see wide area but when ya start moving ya are in narrow valley and sometimes even road-wide area to move on. Nothing similar to FE or LOTRO where ya have big freedom where ya move on and do quests or just exploring around and hunt mobs or gather mats for crafting. Maybe it[object Window]s only starting areas and ya get more freedom when game expands. Maybe they see in future possibility to move thru rifts into other planes and have there epic battles...
Questing is still very basic and very-very handholding themepark. Same old KTR and FedEx types and very linear. Also maybe it tho beta phase but lvling was very fast and easy. But even few months fun isn[object Window]t bad if ya think that those modern single-player games are maybe only few days til week gaming and over.
A MMO with a more open world encourages (or at least supports) exploration, to look around, find new areas, hidden spots and possibly new quest content that you wouldn't ordinarily know about. A game that leads you around by the nose or, as it's been described, "on rails" by funneling you through very deliberate paths does not allow that. Larger, open environments offer much more variety in scenery, and the possibility of traveling, exploring and discovering new things and places than narrow, directed ones do.
Your retort about quests with little to no information to you, etc... That's a false dichotomy and a strawman wrapped up in one, plain and simple. It's not as though the only alternative to more guided and less open environments where you're funneled from one quest hub to the next are aimless, unguided and frustrating ones where you'r wandering around clueless.
There are myriad ways developers can use - and have used in other MMOs - to provide an open world without leaving players feeling completely lost.
Just one example... You can provide quest dialog with solid clues or a sense of direction, landmarks, region names, and so forth, for players to latch on to which will give them direction and an idea of where to go. You can create environments with recognizable landmarks or land features that players can use as a reference of where they are or which way they need to go.
Something as simple as a general direction arrow on your mini-map is a useful and unobtrusive way to help players along without trapping them in a series of pathways with no way out but through.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
As long as this game continues to be decent and presents a challenge it will be worth it. Anything is more interesting than going back to World of Warcraft.
Currently playing - FF14ARR
Previous games - SWG, World of Warcraft, ShadowBane, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Planetside Asheron's Call, Everquest, Everquest 2, Too many.