Do you believe in a God

Darkknight35 · May 2005

i found some interesting things in The Case for Faith by Lee Strobel, might be worth a look and it may answer some of the questions one may have.

IcoGames · May 2005

Didn't see your edit.
As I said in a previous post, I really don't believe that you can prove the existence of God. It's about having faith that God exists. Just becuase you can't prove that something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't.

firemagic · May 2005

Originally posted by IcoGames
Lol. If I published an article with the statement 'Floridians are repeatedly, consistently kidnapping and murdering children', I'd be in no small amount of trouble . Given recent events, you'd agree that the statement above would be true and see no reason for edit.

No-one would believe you were saying every single person in Florida was murdering children (well... maybe unless they were struggling to defend an indefensible argument).

firemagic · May 2005

Originally posted by IcoGames
Didn't see your edit.
As I said in a previous post, I really don't believe that you can prove the existence of God. It's about having faith that God exists. Just becuase you can't prove that something exists, doesn't mean it doesn't.

I agree.

Just because you can't prove there are green cows on a planet circling Alpha Centauri doesn't mean there aren't any, but there's just as much evidence for that as there is that a "god" exists.

ie: None.

You want to believe in fairytales? Great. Good for you! But that's all they are: Fairytales and delusions.

You get a warm cozy feeling from your delusions, and that really is a wonderful thing. It wouldn't work for me though - I just have this thing about lies. I can't stand em.

Personally I prefer the breathtaking wonder I experience from knowing that I came to exist against truly astronomical odds and the humility of knowing that my life is a tiny speck in the vast sea of time.

Oh, and Eighties movies.

Pimpslayer · May 2005

OMG 21 pages in 2 days, thats messed up

I half believe and half don't. With all of our knowledge of the universe and what it tells makes it hard to believe. The leading theory of how the universe began at least in its current state is The Big Bang Theory. The theory of how this came to happen is branched from M-theory, a more complex version of string theory.

It states that the universe in the beginning the universe was smaller than an atom, or to be more specific Planc Length (the smallest length a point particle can reach). In M-theory, the smallest compound that builds all that is around us are not point particles such as the atom, the quark, or the many other things, they are cosmic strings. The way the string is vibrating determines what it builds.

It is believed that our universe is a bubble in an endless sea of parallel universes. When the universe was at Plank Length it was stable. Held together by these cosmic strings. Think of it as a spring. If you put many rubberbands on the spring until it is compressed as far as possible if 1 band breaks it all breaks. When it does the spring expands at a very fast rate. The strings that held the universe would cancel each other out if they ever touched (like matter and anti-matter) These cosmic strings are so small that the chance of 1 hitting another is astronomically small. But if it does then the universe is the spring and it expands into what we see now.

But where did the all these universes and strings come from? God? But if him, then where did he come from? and where that? Many people believe that God was here for all eternity and always will be. People also thought that the universe was here for all eternity and that the Sun revolved around the Earth. It makes you think.

People believe in religion because they are scared. Scared that after their life it will be the end. They have no answers to the most simplest questions such as how did we come to be. They don't want to believe that it was all random and happened by chance. People made up religion as a desperate attempt to have answers to what is not known. It comforts people to believe that all their hard work and good deeds will be rewarded and that the bad will suffer.

At the current state of things, i don't know what to believe. I am not athiest nor do I completly belive in any religion. I answered yes to the poll, because if there really is a God then he would be mad if I said no, and if there is none then no harm is done.

firemagic · May 2005

Originally posted by Pimpslayer
...if there really is a God then he would be mad if I said no, and if there is none then no harm is done.

You just explained why religion exists.

Fear.

Vercades · May 2005

Originally posted by firemagic

Originally posted by Pimpslayer
...if there really is a God then he would be mad if I said no, and if there is none then no harm is done.

You just explained why religion exists.

Fear.

I believe religion exists because of life.

THEMANMAN · May 2005

Originally posted by +EVA+

NOOOOOOOOO..... THEMANMAN......... There is no god !!!!!!!
ppl created it to earn cash. and there r 10000+ religions made to do it. but u all want to believe YOUR ONE is right, it makes u better that others(that is what u think). u will deny it, i know but in todays human psychology they can even prove it. the need of being better, like the rat race...

Sorry My friend but you miss understood me, I said its what I believe and only me. I never told anybody else to believe what I said. Im not hear to convert people. I started this whole mess because I was only curious of what others thought. I just stated what I believe, and I wanted to hear others say what they believed, and I never thought that this disscousin would become so big. I never said my was the only one and the best one. It just what I believe. You live your life the way you like it and I shall do the same.

Plus Bibles are free

THEMANMAN · May 2005

Originally posted by aeric67

Think about it for a second. Does it really matter if someone declares belief in God or a god? All that entails is that the person submits belief in a higher-power beyond the realm of control for that person. If you think about it, all of us accept such higher-powers, even if we don't claim them as God or a god.
Even the most "devout" atheist will accept things that are more powerful than him/her that affect his or her life (read: controls them). The weather is out of our control, for instance, and can have a very profound effect on our lives. Every reasonable person would posit that. Perhaps a Christian person would say that God controls the weather, but it affects the Christian just as much as the Atheist who believes that chaos theory controls the weather (or whatever). Both of those people have just as much control over it as the other -- none.
So why does it matter? It's not God or a god that affects others, it's religions that affect others. That's what needs to be evaluated--motives and powers of religions... not gods.

Damn what you just said there is really good.

THEMANMAN · May 2005

Originally posted by +EVA+

i agree again firemagic. religion is what kills ppl. noone can possibly use a poison to make any good...

How does religion kill? Its just the people that practice it that kill other people.

IcoGames · May 2005

Lol, you seem awefully bitter Firemagic. Is that why you feel the need to debase our faith?

firemagic · May 2005

Originally posted by IcoGames
Lol, you seem awefully bitter Firemagic. Is that why you feel the need to debase our faith?

As I've already explained, I'm very happy to live in reality and since you're happy to live in a web of fantasy and delusion I see no reason for us to argue further.

When you see god, tell him Firemagic says "hi!" ::::28::

IcoGames · May 2005

::::20:: Sure thing.

Aldaron · May 2005

Originally posted by firemagic

As I've already explained, I'm very happy to live in reality and since you're happy to live in a web of fantasy and delusion I see no reason for us to argue further.

You seem hellbent on trying to make yourself believe that God is just an illusion of the mind...Comforting yourself in the arms of science, that belief which would let man become his inner beast, for he would hold no honor or morality...only animalistic instinct. To follow his urges, his whims, his unbridled foolishness. To rape, murder, and steal. To think if he believes hard enough...There will be nothingness after his flesh has rotted and turned to dust, so that in the great unknown that comes after our short existence, he will not have to answer for his actions in life.

CactusmanX · May 2005

When you see god, tell him Firemagic says "hi!"

Sure thing you got it

Egold · May 2005

Originally posted by firemagic
Originally posted by IcoGames
Lol, you seem awefully bitter Firemagic. Is that why you feel the need to debase our faith?

As I've already explained, I'm very happy to live in reality and since you're happy to live in a web of fantasy and delusion I see no reason for us to argue further.

When you see god, tell him Firemagic says "hi!" ::::28::

lol,
He does seem VERY bitter. Somehow it seems like he isn't happy to live in "reality"
::::35::

firemagic · May 2005

Originally posted by Aldaron
"The wiseman knows he is but a fool, and the fool think's he is a wiseman."
You seem to think you're a very wise man.
You seem hellbent on trying to make yourself believe that God is just an illusion of the mind...Comforting yourself in the arms of science, that belief which would let man become his inner beast, for he would hold no honor or morality...only animalistic instinct. To follow his urges, his whims, his unbridled foolishness. To rape, murder, and steal. To think if he believes hard enough...There will be nothingness after his flesh has rotted and turned to dust, so that in the great unknown that comes after our short existence, he will not have to answer for his actions in life.

Interesting waffle, but meaningless without any proof that god exists.

You could just as well say "You're just trying to convince yourself that the invisible purple dishwasher is an illusion of the mind etc etc etc blah blah blah........"

And your suggestion that people can only act with moral decency if they live in fear of punishment by an invisible man after their death is stunningly smallminded.

I guess some people just like to live their lives as fearful slaves to something that isn't even there. Doesn't sound like much fun to me, but each to their own.

Aldaron · May 2005

Originally posted by firemagic

Interesting waffle, but meaningless without any proof that god exists.

Who said that's what I was trying to prove?

You could just as well say "You're just trying to convince yourself that the invisible purple dishwasher is an illusion of the mind etc etc etc blah blah blah........"

Purple dishwasher...It probably is an illusion unless in Prince's house.

And your suggestion that people can only act with moral decency if they live in fear of punishment by an invisible man after their death is stunningly smallminded.

I never said anything about fear...Although what's the point of disciplining the flesh if there is no God? Instinct says...I don't like someone, I kill them. Instinct says, that woman is sexy, I'll have sex with her no matter what it takes. Instinct says, I need some money, I'm going to go find some, even if it means stealing.

I guess some people just like to live their lives as fearful slaves to something that isn't even there. Doesn't sound like much fun to me, but each to their own.

Fear? Hrmm...I thought the word for it was discipline.

firemagic · May 2005

Originally posted by Aldaron
Instinct says...I don't like someone, I kill them. Instinct says, that woman is sexy, I'll have sex with her no matter what it takes. Instinct says, I need some money, I'm going to go find some, even if it means stealing.

::::04::

Your instincts are obviously different to mine, and frankly I'm glad you have your invisible friend around to stop you acting on them.

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Aldaron · May 2005

Originally posted by firemagic

Your instincts are obviously different to mine, and frankly I'm glad you have your invisible friend around to stop you acting on them.

I see...so now you proclaim to be without lust, greed, and hate?

IcoGames · May 2005

Being faithful doesn't equate to being fearful. I agree, acting out of fear doesn't have much to do with acting morally.

CactusmanX · May 2005

Originally posted by IcoGames

Being faithful doesn't equate to being fearful.

Very true,

Are any of you married?

Would you cheat on your spouse?

of course not (or so I would hope)

and is it because you are afraid of you spouse or is it because you love them?

+EVA+ · May 2005

faith equal fear because both r based on hope. from hope borns fear and on hope faith is based.

hope-=->fear-=->anger-=->pain-=->death and at the beginning we should put faith=hope

IcoGames · May 2005

Originally posted by +EVA+
faith equal fear because both r based on hope. from hope borns fear and on hope faith is based.
hope-=->fear-=->anger-=->pain-=->death and at the beginning we should put faith=hope

Lol, nice quoting Yoda there. ::::35::
Fear and Hope is a matter of confidence, not as a result of one or the other.

Razorback · May 2005

Originally posted by Adreal

Also as a side note i've been reading the 'Da Vinci Code' what an amazing book
(Repost - Site messed up) And do you think it is truth or do you just find it an interesting read? I've heard that there are flaws in the book, and I've read an article or two about these flaws. I haven't read it yet. I am considering reading it. If I do I'll also have to get a book that contradicts it, naturally, to see both sides of the story.

For pities sake no wonder I get frustrated reading some of you peoples stuff

Lets get this straight once and for all

THE DAVINCI CODE IS A NOVEL

THE AUTHOR IS A NOVELIST AND DESCRIBES HIS BOOK AS A NOVEL!!!!

BEFORE YOU HAVE ONE MORE THOUGHT, BEFORE YOU POST ANYTHING, BEFORE YOU BREATH

GO AND LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF A NOVEL !!!!!

Ah I feel better now

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