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I didn't like RIFT, here's why. [Mod Edit]
Really. Just stay away from it. I was dumb enough to let some friends talk me into coming back. You know "oh look so much changed" trash.
You know, Rift is in a way the end and the lowest common nominator of MMOs. Look at UO, EQ and SWG to see how it began. As a vast, complex idea with many many subsystems. Especially these days as SWG closes, you see what a vast collection of systems a MMO once was. And it seems as if with each new MMO, what was a MMo was less and less. Until Rift is the most minimal definition. Kill stuff. That's it. Yes it has crafting. But I'll be damned it THAT is crafting at all! It's just some figleaf replacement for crafting! There is really NOTHING but kill X of Y. It is the finality and ending of the downward spiral. A spiral greatly accelerated by WOW.
You see, all Trion adds now is a copy of the same event. Find 7 of X in Sanctum as daily and exchange it for shells, coins whatevers. Every invasion is exactly the same. And no matter how they rename the "events" it is always the one same mechanic of kill/gather X of Y. Nothing else. The vastness of game possiblities of SWG or UO is a forgotten shadow now. And while games like LOTRO at least had SOME other stuff to do than kill kill kill.., this has nothing else. No peaceful planting of crops, no housing, no music system, nothing. People only run run run and kill kill kill. I really LOATHE this development. And you see, whereas LOTRO and WOW added these "token collection" way to waste the time of players with minimal effort after they had CONSIDERABLE other content, Rift starts it already, when it is new and while Rift is VERY small and limited content wise. And what do they add? A raid many won't ever see and another token collection quest. Copy paste copy paste.
And the rest? Nothing to write home about. And handful of dungeon you grind OVER and OVER and OVER called "endgame" and one of the damn WORST PVP I have seen in some time. FOUR arenas with all the letdowns arena PVP always has. (Meaning, it sucks. Only OPEN world pvp is real. Why it has none like castle sieges or what is beyond me.) THIS cheap PVP could be stitched together with an editor by a few programmers in a long weekend!
I am so disappointed by this game. It is SO dull with it's endless hectic, like in Tabula Rasa, there is no rest, no calm story moments, no civilization you FEEL you want to fight for, nothing. Just endless spawns of Rifts tossed at you. Always the same drill. I am so done with these kill focussed MMOs, where essentially killing things ALL THE DAMN TIME is the ONLY thing there! I don't WANT that! I want MMOs like SWG! Like UO! WORLDS, not some frigging kill park!
Sigh. Maybe Arch Age can bring that back, since I kinda doubt SWTOR or GW2 will be anything but kill kill kill with a nice wrap around.
Sorry if that offends you, but I just realized Rift is just a very simplistic and mediocre game. I am just tired wasting my time on trash. Shiny wears off fast. And there is just no fundament to remedy it. Not at all.
/rant over
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Well...yeah.
Pretty much...You just got the memo? XD
Still if people are playing and enjoying, good on them - wish I could join them.
Eh? Whats keeping you? Play it while it sill exists, I say. If you must. I mean, I would find drilling holes in my kneecap and fluting God Save the Queen more entertaining... but each to his.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
You forgot "Collect X number of Sparklies" that an infant could find.
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A quality rant Elikal I bet you feel all peaceful and joyus now you've got that off your chest. Trion built a game by copying the bits from other games that they thought people would enjoy but forgot to add a heart and soul, big mistake.
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gear grinding as only means of character progression, I hope are nearing the end. How do games like AC and EQ have post cap character customization in 1999, while games of today, only focus on gear, gear, gear
whether its raiding, dungeons, pvp, or faction grinding its all the same result, more gear, give me a game where I can improve my character in multiple ways.
Rift is great, if it's your kind of game.
It does the things I like in gaming:
Great Graphics - YES
Smooth Performance - YES
Fun Combat - YES
Solid, Interactive Storytelling - YES
Chat Rooms and Social Media - YES
It doesn't do the things I don't fully care about:
Crafting - NO
Exploration - Somewhat
Do-it-Yourself Story - NO
As for the OP -
Did you read the quests when you played Rift?
I am guessing you just ran out and checked off the requirements.
That's your bad, not Rifts.
Rift does a great job of making my favorite part of gaming graphically impressive and story driven. You just have to read the quests/the dialogue during the quests to get anything out of it. Context matters in Rift, and in that it succeeds.
Not geared toward "sandbox" by any means:
Rift definitely is neither focused upon how awesomely varied and involved an experience the game can be outside of combat nor how much a RL loser can forget his life and have some compelling persona on a video game. This is no place to "live" for years. It's more about reading and interacting with a world that has it's own colorful history and future and playing a part in the story through your combat.
If you were expecting some "sandbox" experience and like to stand at an anvil and hammer out virtual armor, weapons and assorted items, then you want to wait on Rift until they implement it (if they do).
As for Combat - I like combat. You give me the choice between sitting at a sewing loom and bullrushing into an enemy, bashing it to interupt its casting and otherwise trying to kill/submit it, that tunic will remain unsewn.
It is completely legal and ethically permissable to sew, blacksmith, cook, etc IRL, but vigilantism is illegal. Since I am not in the military, these games are the only place I can/would hurt someone bodily on a daily basis. Though I am a BJJ/Boxing/MMA fighter, I am not a sadist or a vigilante, so I don't hurt people IRL.
Why people are so weird and like to hover around these little worlds and let like pass them by to make trinkets fro one another in the games has always made me laugh. But it it's your thing, go for it. I am a big enough dork to like playing Magic and video games, so who am I to judge.
Someone please make a good MMO.
Sounds like a bumper sticker.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I feel like this threads been done before.
Most people go through life pretending to be a boss. I go through life pretending I'm not.
I found the lore to be uninspiring. I didn't feel as though I was actuall fighting for the Defiants by killing Farmer John's mutant pigs or skinning buffalo out in the next zone. Or catching radioactive squirrels with a net. That was all pretty boring stuff.
The voice acting was poor I thought, over the top. Like in IT where the beginning the guy says "NEVER!" Just seemed like watching a movie on SyFy channel.. bad actors with a bad script.
The problem was they tried to make it like a novel, very serious and you could see that with the torture elements in the quests and when you had to kill people. But it lacked that good storytelling and only came off as just another quest to do, not really a moral dilemmna because you HAVE to torture the guy to get info.. you don't get any choice.
If there were going to take themselves that seriously with lore, they should have had a much better story.
"TO MICHAEL!"
okay so if i replace RIFT with WoW it's the same rant.
already knew this after playing the first 20 minutes of beta. people kept insisting it was good... those were the ones that got burned from WoW or Aion and PRAYED for a better MMO. they wanted something to replace it so much. wishful thinking. welcome back to WoW / Aion.
Or any themepark MMORPG released over the last seven years...
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Sounds like you know everything, when in fact other peoples opinions are as valid as yours
Bottom line is:
Rift is a gear grinder.
Do stuff to get currencies used to buy gear for various purposes. The End.
You pvp, to obtain gear meant to enhance pvp preformance. You get favor (i think) currency, used to buy pvp specific gear.
You PVE, in order to obtain better gear. At least in pvp gear is actually dropped, however you still accumulate PVE gear currency to fill out the rest.
There is little character customization, the soul system offers little variety, as only a few "builds" are accepted by others and really viable. Most of these builds come complete with 2 button macros that are premade
The rift events, while cool as hell your first few times through them, quickly decline into nothing more than a kill quest that looks kind of cool, oh and the objective of the invasions and rift events are to obtain gear, well to get those essences at least, and only raid rifts drop really anything of value. Here you will get rift currency used to buy better enhancements for gear, and possibly an average endgame drop.
But yeah, crafting is painfully boring and easy, theres no seiges, no guild vs guild competition, no character customization past endgame (and little before aside from experementing with souls untill you decide to use a premade build)
When the game was new, at least the endgame expert dungeons and raids were incredibly complicated and difficult, however i heard they made them easy as to allow all people to obtain the gear quicker.
So baiscally its like wow at heart, mabey a little more difficult in obtaining gear (however i dont know how much easier they made it since i left)
If your new to the mmorpg scene, this game will do, if your tired of the same old, and thirst for complex gameplay, complex character customization, and thirst to think while playing...rift will dissapoint in ways that cannot be described.
However, we all knew all of this a month before launch, this is really old news. This is a game where a 14 year old with downs can play better than you, if equipped with better gear and a forum soul build+macro setup, granted your doing it all the old fashioned way with lesser gear and trying to experement with some build that isnt forum approved.
The problem is, in regards to games like this vs games of the past, is that the herd of players who hate thought and complexity vastly outnumber you, and they have money. This is why most games that require thought are made by tiny indy teams with big ideas but no budget to get the basics right. The big money is in appeasing the herd for a few months, then making the next same old game in some endless cycle of keeping their attention for 15min (or long enough to extract $100 or so from them)
so stranger basicly it is a copy and paste system of wow only the currency name change.you get various currency in wow pvp ,various currency in wow pve.so basicly rift is the same difference
I understanbd people get dramatic over this stuff, ya know internet and so on. But really rift is a quality game, it might not last forever, and it has its basic issues at a game level, but its a lot of fun just to kill stuff in Rift aswell. I think the Pvp is a blast, the raids are a lot of fun, and the soul system is really cool, even if in PVE you can't exploit it totally its awesome in pvp, since pvp is more of a burst than sust dps, you can vary builds a lot more. Leveling up aswell you can experiment a lot more.
Anyways, 100% play this game if you haven't. I'm one of those that plays most games, if I'm not on break status, I am a hardcore gamer who is usually gets bored of the game after half a year, like I did this, but it had me hooked and it was a fun run. The developers are pretty awesome aswell, I'm excited for what they do next. It needs alot more pvp, and it has basic game issues that will unfortunately have you standing around once you hit a certain gear level, waiting for raids, and not wanting to the do same warfronts again. But its a blast getting there imo.
Few months ago you repeatedly posted rants against Rift... So my question is, did you really attempt to give this game a chance, or did you force yourself into it stating that you hate the game before even the end of the installation process?
I've got nothing against you or what not, I just wonder why some like to harvest negativity in public forums when they dislike a game.
Well first I'd like to apologise in advance as this post will seem harsh, but I feel I need to tell you this, without sugar coating it, for your own good.
How many times do you need to stick your hand in a fire before you learn not to get burned, Elikal?
First you decide the game sucks in beta and won't play. Fine that is your choice more power to you.
Then for some reason you dicide to play any way. Unsuprisingly you decide again the game sucks and feel the need to come here and complain your head off why the game sucks and why you are quitting.
Now against all logic here you are again, first blaming others for your own impulse control issues, and lack of good judgement when it comes to MMOs, and second, filling the forum with more pointless "this game sux" posts that we've heard from you time and time again.
Enough is freaking enough. What you like or dislike, and what you decide to play or not play is completely your business. However if you can't find the self discpline to avoid games you don't like when you should already know better, please stop coming here and bending our ear about it. You have flip flopped on this game so many times your opinion of it is completely inconsequential. Anything else you have to say is just self serving drama, which has no place on these game discussion forums. If you want to share your every thought with the world, I'd advise you start your own blog page, and leave the game forums to those of us who want to discuss the game itself and not just to publicly air our newest meltdown.
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What was wrong with the original thread title?
He mispelled "sucks".
I played the beta and knew the game would be yet another "been there done that" game experience, it wasnt my cup of tea but it is still one of the best mmo launches in years and is a game that many still seem to enjoy...
So great for them if they are having fun!
Playing GW2..
You know you posted all that and the first thing that comes to my mind is, did this guy play anything other than wow/eq/rift?
Did you ever experience a real rpg sandbox game? Not eve.. eve doesn't count as its all space sim crap.. and the combat is horrible.
The op went on the perfect rant, a rant I've been on many times in many pre launch game forums about how awesome SWG was in its inception. There was no other crafting system like it to date. The resource system was amazing how you mined varying quality minerals which when crafted produced either awesome results or pure crap. No 2 crafters ever produced the same items when stats were involved. It truly was an amazing system. It was a game all on its own.
By the sounds of it you never experienced anything like swg or a real sandbox game so all you know is what blizzard showed you.. which is what rift copied into a new game engine with different story and rifts.. it is damn near a carbon copy of wow.
SwTOR will fail miserably because it copied wow too. The only thing it has going for it is a huge fan base of star wars nerds.. But they copied wow too and the whole themepark-hold my hand through the game with my single player elements/companions lol.. Its unfortunate that in 2011 we are seeing nothing but recycled garbage of game ideologies that were never that great to begin with.
I say anyone who liked wow more than the original swg is a simpleton, and now we all live in virtual worlds that derived everything from blizzard so we all have to suffer because no mmo company has the balls to re make a game like swg and toss in some thempark quests/raids... you want a wow killer people? Thats what will kill wow..
True that when compared next to wow it is a spectacular game. In fact, had it come out before wow.. it would have 10 million subs... It is a good game but there are better models for mmo's. Everyone chases the wow model though expecting 10 million subs.. its fkn hilarious to watch this unfold too..
Rift is easy to pick up - you already pretty much know the mechanics and how to move through the game if you've played any mmo in recent history. You may find it a perfect combination from past games you've played.
Rift is casual friendly with the option of playing it hardcore.
Rift is a good alternative if your major gripe with WoW were the graphics - Rift has a more traditional fantasy art direction.
Rift is stable and polished with frequent updates.
Rift has a twist to its class system.
Rift has a twist with its rift element.
Rift good populations on most servers.
However......
Pick you server carefully - some are worse than others, but server transfers are incoming.
The rifts function almost exactly like WAR's pq's - if you didn't like them, you probably won't like these.
The class system still boils down to the holy trinity with the sporadic support class needed.
Rift is new and has the content to show it- give it some time if you want to play it hardcore with endless content and/or know if you play it hardcore you will be taking a break after a couple of months because you're done....
If you hate WoW for its quest system, its end game and its gear grind.....you probably won't like this.
Rift can be played hardcore, but as stated above, youll run out of stuff to do relatively quickly.
Rift may feel so much like those other games you've played you may walk away with 'been there done that'. You may find it the world's most insipid clone.
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I posted this in another thread but I think it is apt for this thread too. There are hundreds of thousands that have positive impressions of this game. There are probably twice or more than that who have a polar opposite opinion. I believe this is true for all games, even WoW- for the 10 mil + that love it, I bet 20 mil + hate or have grown to hate it.
I really truly believe the only way to know is to try for yourself.
And, as I've said before, I think we should all commend Trion for proving it is possible to release a game with polish and stabilty. The bar is now raised - - -
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And to comment specifically to the OP; I would argue that Rift has vastly more 'systems' then EQ had at release. I would also remind the OP that people maxed their toons and gear in EQ within the first 6 months also. And lastly, for one to assume that an mmo can release with more content and more 'systems' then games which have been live for 5+ years is unreasonable at best and ludicrous at worst.
By now we should all understand that games should focus on quality at release and not quantity. In the last generation we complained about the crappy performance at launch, as I alluded to earlier, the fact that argument isn't being heard for this game shows industry improvement imho.
Interesting the OP mentioned Tabula Rasa. Just finished trying Rift what I got from is was:
WoW+Tabula Rasa= Rift
Decent game but nothing really new