Well, you might not be a competitive pvp player in the first place then.You dont mind being stuck in the low pvp rating,because u just lost to people with big e-wallets.So why do you keep arguing about it not being paytowin when you dont even care about it?
Edit: You also didnt understand what i was saying.I sayed imagine that we share identical playing skills and strategies and we are all good players.Why should my 300$ make a difference in the outcome of the match?
You scenario seems to be a fair outcome though.The player that had the more practice and played more is better than you.Whats your point here?
Being a competitive player = being on top based on some indexing? Ok I see your definition. You want to win, and you are angry because someone got a higher ranking by some measurement yardstick because of an excuse you find convenient.
Why should $300 make a difference, why should XYXZ make a difference. Excuse excuse excuse.
Being competitive means facing all odds and giving it a shot. Leonidas was defeated and killed by Xerxes' army, that makes him not competitive?
If you need a competitive rating to reinforce your own vision of your "competitiveness", if you need epeen ratings to keep you going, that is you. Not me. I do not mind being not competitive by your definition. I play, I enjoy and move on when I have enough.
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My point is simple. This is a game, and an RPG. I am not myself, I am the role I was playing, a warrior a healer a mage, not me. Whatever statistics the role has, will determine my odds in winning. My own skills, my own education, my degrees, my professional credentials won't enter into the formula. Heck I may be blind and deaf but if I hit the right button by accident, the fireball will still hit my enemy. How my opponent gets his statistics is not even an issue, he may buy the gear, trade for them, get them from his brother, I will never know. If I decided to fight him, I take the odds at that moment, as determined by the rules of the game.
Well, you might not be a competitive pvp player in the first place then.You dont mind being stuck in the low pvp rating,because u just lost to people with big e-wallets.So why do you keep arguing about it not being paytowin when you dont even care about it?
Edit: You also didnt understand what i was saying.I sayed imagine that we share identical playing skills and strategies and we are all good players.Why should my 300$ make a difference in the outcome of the match?
You scenario seems to be a fair outcome though.The player that had the more practice and played more is better than you.Whats your point here?
Being a competitive player = being on top based on some indexing? Ok I see your definition. You want to win, and you are angry because someone got a higher ranking by some measurement yardstick because of an excuse you find convenient.
Why should $300 make a difference, why should XYXZ make a difference. Excuse excuse excuse.
Being competitive means facing all odds and giving it a shot. Leonidas was defeated and killed by Xerxes' army, that makes him not competitive?
If you need a competitive rating to reinforce your own vision of your "competitiveness", if you need epeen ratings to keep you going, that is you. Not me. I do not mind being not competitive by your definition. I play, I enjoy and move on when I have enough.
Then why argue me in the first place?If you are just a casual player,i doesnt even matter.I want to play a fair match when i want to compete with someone?Why should that make me feel bad?I dont get this kind of thinking.
You know there is a huge difference losing by a player because i played worse or he is just a better player in general.This will happen,i know im not the best player in the world.But when i lose to a player thats in the same skill range that i am and i did my best, but lost to an 100hp difference just because he spent 500$ to aquire the best gear u can get, doesnt feel right.
Did you see the recent League of Legends or dota2 turnaments? These players just competed agaisnt each others in a fair game. Some lost cause they played worse.Not because the other teams spent 100$ on an item that helped them win. Thats competitive and fair pvp.
You make no sense.And you dont get the point. And your example here is completely inacurate.This is a game.If i want to compete with other players,i would like it to be in fair ways.Doesnt matter if my enemy is better or worse.
Do athletes that lose a gold medal to a milisec by a drugged player feel happy about it? I dont think so.Its the same here.People should not get stronger in game, by using $$$$.
What is fair? So long as the rules are clearly laid down, and everyone has access to each tool, it is fair.
Do you cry foul if someone richer than you outbids you in an auction?
Everyone has the option to use the same RMAH, or in-game AH. Everyone sees the same AH listing, and enjoys the same rights in bidding, selling. Everyone has access to the same selection of classes. Everything is fair.
That is fairness. That is enough, and that is really not necessary in a game. I do not mind fighting someone who has better chances to beat me in a game, that is another form of challenge, and so long as I do not need to pay a heavy fine for losing, I do not mind if I end up defeated or not.
You should know that there will be a ladder pvp system in D3.Thats how it becomes pay to win.And just imagine playing in hardcore mode and losing your character to a guy that just spent 200$ in the AH.How would that make you feel?
More ignorance, Blizzard confirmed no RMAH for hardcore. Blizzard has also yet to confirm ladder of any kind.
I just found out about hardcore mode not having RMAH. But you should also know that there be a competetive pvp Arena in this game.So you can still pay to win against other players.
Well that isn't a ladder, it is a simple rating system it doesn't earn you ANY advantages in the game. It will just be a place for people to pvp, it'll be vaguely competetive.
I always see D3 as a cooperative dungeon crawler, in which duelling is just a by product. I wonder why a ladder is necessary. I remember competing to be the one that last longest in hardcore mode of D2, not dying. I remember competing to be the first level 99 as HC. I do not remember people caring who kill who in a duel.
You make no sense.And you dont get the point. And your example here is completely inacurate.This is a game.If i want to compete with other players,i would like it to be in fair ways.Doesnt matter if my enemy is better or worse.
Do athletes that lose a gold medal to a milisec by a drugged player feel happy about it? I dont think so.Its the same here.People should not get stronger in game, by using $$$$.
What is fair? So long as the rules are clearly laid down, and everyone has access to each tool, it is fair.
Do you cry foul if someone richer than you outbids you in an auction?
Everyone has the option to use the same RMAH, or in-game AH. Everyone sees the same AH listing, and enjoys the same rights in bidding, selling. Everyone has access to the same selection of classes. Everything is fair.
That is fairness. That is enough, and that is really not necessary in a game. I do not mind fighting someone who has better chances to beat me in a game, that is another form of challenge, and so long as I do not need to pay a heavy fine for losing, I do not mind if I end up defeated or not.
Its a game, voluntary game.
Yea it figures.You sir are a lost cause. You just saying that a richer person is fair to have better gear than you.Because he clicked on the AH and bought the best pieces.Thats fair for you.I guess you are the rich guy.I am goign to stick with my definition of fairness ingame. And wont keep arguing people that dont even care about competing in games.
You should know that there will be a ladder pvp system in D3.Thats how it becomes pay to win.And just imagine playing in hardcore mode and losing your character to a guy that just spent 200$ in the AH.How would that make you feel?
More ignorance, Blizzard confirmed no RMAH for hardcore. Blizzard has also yet to confirm ladder of any kind.
I just found out about hardcore mode not having RMAH. But you should also know that there be a competetive pvp Arena in this game.So you can still pay to win against other players.
Well that isn't a ladder, it is a simple rating system it doesn't earn you ANY advantages in the game. It will just be a place for people to pvp, it'll be vaguely competetive.
I always see D3 as a cooperative dungeon crawler, in which duelling is just a by product. I wonder why a ladder is necessary. I remember competing to be the one that last longest in hardcore mode of D2, not dying. I remember competing to be the first level 99 as HC. I do not remember people caring who kill who in a duel.
I also remember spending 3-6 daily in item vs item trade games and channels. I enjoyed it a lot. But i wont be able to do it in D3 cause of the RMAH.Sure there will be some people trading the old way,but if you manage to find a really rare item i doubt you wont use the RMAH to sell it.I know i would.
I also was playing in hardcore. Had geared up 3 duel barbs.There was a pvp community.Maybe you werent part of it. I surely was, i lost 2 barbs there and their gear.
You make no sense.And you dont get the point. And your example here is completely inacurate.This is a game.If i want to compete with other players,i would like it to be in fair ways.Doesnt matter if my enemy is better or worse.
Do athletes that lose a gold medal to a milisec by a drugged player feel happy about it? I dont think so.Its the same here.People should not get stronger in game, by using $$$$.
What is fair? So long as the rules are clearly laid down, and everyone has access to each tool, it is fair.
Do you cry foul if someone richer than you outbids you in an auction?
Everyone has the option to use the same RMAH, or in-game AH. Everyone sees the same AH listing, and enjoys the same rights in bidding, selling. Everyone has access to the same selection of classes. Everything is fair.
That is fairness. That is enough, and that is really not necessary in a game. I do not mind fighting someone who has better chances to beat me in a game, that is another form of challenge, and so long as I do not need to pay a heavy fine for losing, I do not mind if I end up defeated or not.
Its a game, voluntary game.
Yea it figures.You sir are a lost cause. You just saying that a richer person is fair to have better gear than you.Because he clicked on the AH and bought the best pieces.Thats fair for you.I guess you are the rich guy.I am goign to stick with my definition of fairness ingame. And wont keep arguing people that dont even care about competing in games.
The rich guy will always be on top, you're dillusional if you think otherwise.
How will the rich guy be on top if he cant buy any items?
Yea it figures.You sir are a lost cause. You just saying that a richer person is fair to have better gear than you.Because he clicked on the AH and bought the best pieces.Thats fair for you.I guess you are the rich guy.I am goign to stick with my definition of fairness ingame. And wont keep arguing people that dont even care about competing in games.
Maybe I am rich by some standard, I never need to worry about starvation.
Maybe I am not competitive by your standard in games, which is after work winddown for me.
I do not spend money on gears, nor do I play F2P games.
And I am very disappointed with D3, not because of RMAH, I am still on the fence about this game.
I still believe that fair means open access to all, it does not mean equality in allocation. Fair is not justice and it definitely is not equality. And we are not talking about billion dollar purchases, and so the richest man does not have too much of an advantage. Most of the gamers would be able to afford a sword from the AH, the question is, would you care to pay for it. Does it matter so much?
If you have to moan over a game gear that might just cost you 10 bucks, you will find endless list for moaning. Mercedes cost up to quarter millions each. They are on sale for real money. They are games of another kind. So the car community need to bitch?
What is all this? People will buy ingame money or gear no matter what, this way real life money spenders won't have to go to corrupt websites to do so. And the people that spend all time gaming (Don't make alot of real life money) can sell gear for real cash and don't have to go to those corupt places either. Its a win win for all. And then people say its all about making money for Blizzard, erh yes why would they make a non profit product? LOL
You should know that there will be a ladder pvp system in D3.Thats how it becomes pay to win.And just imagine playing in hardcore mode and losing your character to a guy that just spent 200$ in the AH.How would that make you feel?
More ignorance, Blizzard confirmed no RMAH for hardcore. Blizzard has also yet to confirm ladder of any kind.
I just found out about hardcore mode not having RMAH. But you should also know that there be a competetive pvp Arena in this game.So you can still pay to win against other players.
Well that isn't a ladder, it is a simple rating system it doesn't earn you ANY advantages in the game. It will just be a place for people to pvp, it'll be vaguely competetive.
I always see D3 as a cooperative dungeon crawler, in which duelling is just a by product. I wonder why a ladder is necessary. I remember competing to be the one that last longest in hardcore mode of D2, not dying. I remember competing to be the first level 99 as HC. I do not remember people caring who kill who in a duel.
I also remember spending 3-6 daily in item vs item trade games and channels. I enjoyed it a lot. But i wont be able to do it in D3 cause of the RMAH.Sure there will be some people trading the old way,but if you manage to find a really rare item i doubt you wont use the RMAH to sell it.I know i would.
I also was playing in hardcore. Had geared up 3 duel barbs.There was a pvp community.Maybe you werent part of it. I surely was, i lost 2 barbs there and their gear.
So you enjoy shouting in trade channels for hours, and use up your gaming hours waiting for a trade to happen? Understand. I have enough of that from East Common days in EQ1, since WoW, I swear I will stick to AH.
I would rather throw the item to any AH and let them bid on it, with the gold/real money I can then go buy whatever I want. In the meantime, my gaming hours are spent gaming, or searching the AH casually for things I like to buy.
An auction house is a more efficient and less time costly way to complete a transaction. You do not need to find the buyer who can swap you something. You can leave it to a mechanism. At the end of the day, you get back the same deal, you sell something and you buy something else later, if you so wish.
As for duelling yes I have been there, but not as HC. There is too much cheating in D2 to take duelling serioiusly. We sometimes try fancy dueling, say 2 warrior dueling each other with throws, none of us with any talent in the throw skillset. Or boxing by 2 socerers. That is our takee on D2 duelling, it is not really a serious game for duelling, for us.
What is all this? People will buy ingame money or gear no matter what, this way real life money spenders won't have to go to corrupt websites to do so. And the people that spend all time gaming (Don't make alot of real life money) can sell gear for real cash and don't have to go to those corupt places either. Its a win win for all. And then people say its all about making money for Blizzard, erh yes why would they make a non profit product? LOL
Very true, if anyone is to make money out of Blizzard's games, it should be Blizzard.
I don't mind this as far as Diablo goes, but I'm really worried about what it could mean for WoW or any future Blizzard MMO's. In a single player game it doesn't matter what everybody else does, whether it is farming for items or buying things off the AH for real world money. That doesn't affect my playthrough since those people aren't in my game.
But... if Blizzard decides this is such a great thing that it should be in MMOs too it will turn WoW (or their next game) into a farm fest far worse than even the worst times with gold farmers. Similarly, it will be hard for players to get into raiding and PVP guilds if they don't spend the cash to buy the best BOE items of the cash AH. The thing that will make it worse is that the more money Blizzard makes the more they are likely to increase the number of really good BOEs making it even more imparative that you buy them.
I don't think so, Blizzard and other company's know that not all play hardcore. Im sure they don't wanna loose the casual players. I think this way it will be more balanced because they will control the market and not some farm company with cracy prices.
I don't mind this as far as Diablo goes, but I'm really worried about what it could mean for WoW or any future Blizzard MMO's. In a single player game it doesn't matter what everybody else does, whether it is farming for items or buying things off the AH for real world money. That doesn't affect my playthrough since those people aren't in my game.
But... if Blizzard decides this is such a great thing that it should be in MMOs too it will turn WoW (or their next game) into a farm fest far worse than even the worst times with gold farmers. Similarly, it will be hard for players to get into raiding and PVP guilds if they don't spend the cash to buy the best BOE items of the cash AH. The thing that will make it worse is that the more money Blizzard makes the more they are likely to increase the number of really good BOEs making it even more imparative that you buy them.
I agree with Fessor111
Only a small handful of WoW players make it to the major raid guilds. Less than half of the player base make it to max level.
Specifically for D3, this simply does not matter. There is no persistent world, everyone can open his own session and farm to his heart's delight. Since everyone can farm the same boss over and over, and there is no respawn rate, meaning you can run to the boss kill him and rinse, like we do with Memphisto in D2, we are effectively farmers ourselves. Everyone in D2 is a farmer, we just farm our own favourite boss, over and over.
If you ask me, the only people losing their hobby over RMT, is the people who support it. RMT games are composed of two groups, those who throw money into a virtual pit, and those who take on a job that pays far less than minimum wage. Either way, you lose.
So wait people who RMT will lose their hobby because they RMT with games that support RMT? What is an RMT game for one? I mean every game has RMT illegal or non. As for the groups who are in these games, uh well there is more than 2 so you're wrong. Some people don't view it as throwing it away as it is their enjoyment or entertainment. Others sell Virtual goods to get a few extra bucks, they didn't make it a job. Some people do make it a job but make far far far more than minimum wage. Some spends the bucks to keep up with their friends since they can't play as much. I mean there are a lot of reasons people RMT. I could go on for quite awhile.
All i am telling you is that you're obviously ignorant on the subject.
*facepalm*
The point I was trying to make is that RMT causes games to be less about the game and more about money.
No matter your intent to play the game, all of your activities in an RMT game can be quantified and have a price tag attached to it. Every time you loot an item it's worth something, and you can get so many drops and hour, with a low percentage of being worth a decent bit more than the other. Average out the worth of items per hour and there's your wage for 'playing' the game.
Some people can ignore it, but others like myself see it as an oozing sore on the game. I can't help but see that all my ingame actions equate to a monetary value. Furthermore, that dollar value is very little to what I actually make working, so actually playing the game feels like an absolute waste of time when I'm acquiring loot that's worth a fraction of a fraction of what I make an hour in my career. This is because the alternative to buy such gear exists, and it makes a hell of a lot more sense to just buy gear... but then why am I even in the game if I'm not going to actually play it?
TL;DR for the above paragraph: RMT causes a game to feel like a second job for me... an extremely poorly paying job. All because there are real world values to the game.
My stance on the issue isn't irrational, and I consider your statement that I'm ignorant on the subject as extremely insulting. I've been playing MMOs for well over a decade, and I've even participated in RMT. In fact, that's exactly why I despise RMT as much as I do. The one game I actually got into RMT with, Ultima Online, was the first and last time.
Without getting into too many details, I was lucky enough to get a few extremely rare and difficult to obtain artifact items as loot drops in the game. I couldn't use the particular items I had received since they didn't match my character's build. They were worth 10s of millions of gold in the game (one to two hundred dollars or so real cash each item). Well, I sold them, and made a nice chunk of change.
The next day though when I went back to playing the game, it was different. It wasn't the same game it was before I had sold the items. I found myself wanting to go back to try to farm more rare items to sell for real world cash (the drop rates were so low it took average 20+ hours of dungeon 'raiding' to get even one), but not because it was something I would enjoy, but because I could make money from it.
That's when I came to the realization that the game was no longer a game, but a job. My enjoyment of the game had faded and dissapeared the moment I sold my items for real cash, and I could no longer find enjoyment in actually playing the game, because every moment in the game I spent not in the dungeon trying to get more artifacts to sell felt like a waste of time, and the time I spent in there now felt like a very poorly paying and tedious job. So I pretty much just stopped playing, and sold my account -- which is allowed in UO -- a few weeks later.
So no, I'm really not just exagerating or being irrational. RMT really does kill any sense of enjoyment for a game for me, it's happened to me before which is why I avoided it now and will continue to in the future. It's not a matter of choice for me, it just is what it is, which is that the existence of RMT just kills any sense of enjoyment in a game for me.
You can keep calling me ignorant and act like your opinion is flawless, but that doesn't change that I know you're wrong. That's not to say that you're not allowed to enjoy RMT, but you're dead wrong in your assumption that everyone who dislikes RMT is ignorant or incorrect for feeling that way about RMT.
I can't wait to laugh at the people that waste their life trying to farm diablo III so they don't have to work. I can't wait to laugh while I read about how some sucker had his account hacked and lost thousands in virtual goods. I can't wait to read about how people are complaining because of some foreign sweatshop dragging all the prices down because they can pay someone a dollar a day to do nothing but farm diablo III. I can't wait to watch millions people try and farm goods to sell to the thousands that will actually buy something.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
If people want to minimax, in a game, they will play whatever that rewards, them most. XP, loot. In D2, people farm memphisto 24/7 b/c he is the most cost effective venue for top loots, except a few that he cannot drop. Money or no money people will be going for the most profitable farming location.
i sure hope that with millions of suppliers, price will be driven down to dirt cheap, of course, I am hoping people want to make money out of it, and not spend. I may be dreaming.
It doesn't really matter, the game is still not yet in beta. We will know in due course.
I can't wait to laugh at the people that waste their life trying to farm diablo III so they don't have to work. I can't wait to laugh while I read about how some sucker had his account hacked and lost thousands in virtual goods. I can't wait to read about how people are complaining because of some foreign sweatshop dragging all the prices down because they can pay someone a dollar a day to do nothing but farm diablo III. I can't wait to watch millions people try and farm goods to sell to the thousands that will actually buy something.
Why would you need to call the players suckers? because you know them to be bad somehow in person? Why laugh when someone got his account hacked?
Diablo series is a straight forth dungeon crawler, and after you finish the game by beating the boss, the only purpose left is to grind gear. Why laugh when many people actually enjoy the casino-like thrill of killing the boss and looking at the drop.
I do not want to speculate on how many will buy, though I believe millions will sell. Sweat shops exist in D2 already, there is no reason to believe it will not exist again in D3. This RMAH is a good attempt from Blizzard to cut into the monopoly these sweat shops enjoy in selling items from diablo.
Will only be playing Diablo 3 in closed games, the only thing that really sucks about this is pvp once items start getting around and people are buying them.
I figure that will still be at least some time since items drop so rare in Diablo and to get the best will be hard anyway. I'm sure some slave farming companies will do their best tho.
Well, fair deal by Blizzard. This is a true innovative move supported by market trends and I have no doubt it will be a success for them and users of their products.
It also makes me very happy that the games they produce are not to my liking so I will not be a part of this.
The trade with virtual items for hard cash has been big for years. E-bay is just one big example where you can find hundreds of auctions every day. Why shouldn't Blizzard take the matter into their own hand and profit from the auction fee instead of E-Bay. In my opinion the money is better spent with them than E-Bay. This way they make extra cash they may invest in support services and new games.
How will the rich guy be on top if he cant buy any items?
Unless You're talking about making every nice item bound on acquire/pickup, how will You stop rich people from buying gear from others(E-bay, D2jsp)?
As for loosing a duel to person who bought items on RMAH - how will You know he/she bought them? How this is different from getting those items via trading?
I am very intrigued by the idea of RMT and can't wait to see how it all works out.
I will be getting Diablo 3 because from everything i have seen about it, I believe it will be an awesome game and bring me hours and hours of fun, single player and multiplayer alike.
In respect to PvP, Blizzard said they do not plan to make D3 an e-sport - PvP is just an added extra. There is no ladder or visable rating system, all players have a hidden rating and players are matched against player of similar rating. The chances of someone in basic gear coming up against some in the top end gear be it bought or earned is unlikey.
I don't plan to PvP (maybe with friends) it's the PvE with friends I want D3 for and a RMAH will have zero impact on that.
Any good/rare gear I get will likey be shared with friends, sold for gold or broken down for mats, but TBH I'll always check the going rate of items on RMHA - I'd be a fool not to, but unlikey to post anything on there unless I stand to earn $10 or more, and only after it not needed by me or friends.
I plan to play all four difficulties and beat the game, then wait for the expansion, I don't plan to farm this game for nickles and dimes.
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Being a competitive player = being on top based on some indexing? Ok I see your definition. You want to win, and you are angry because someone got a higher ranking by some measurement yardstick because of an excuse you find convenient.
Why should $300 make a difference, why should XYXZ make a difference. Excuse excuse excuse.
Being competitive means facing all odds and giving it a shot. Leonidas was defeated and killed by Xerxes' army, that makes him not competitive?
If you need a competitive rating to reinforce your own vision of your "competitiveness", if you need epeen ratings to keep you going, that is you. Not me. I do not mind being not competitive by your definition. I play, I enjoy and move on when I have enough.
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My point is simple. This is a game, and an RPG. I am not myself, I am the role I was playing, a warrior a healer a mage, not me. Whatever statistics the role has, will determine my odds in winning. My own skills, my own education, my degrees, my professional credentials won't enter into the formula. Heck I may be blind and deaf but if I hit the right button by accident, the fireball will still hit my enemy. How my opponent gets his statistics is not even an issue, he may buy the gear, trade for them, get them from his brother, I will never know. If I decided to fight him, I take the odds at that moment, as determined by the rules of the game.
Then why argue me in the first place?If you are just a casual player,i doesnt even matter.I want to play a fair match when i want to compete with someone?Why should that make me feel bad?I dont get this kind of thinking.
You know there is a huge difference losing by a player because i played worse or he is just a better player in general.This will happen,i know im not the best player in the world.But when i lose to a player thats in the same skill range that i am and i did my best, but lost to an 100hp difference just because he spent 500$ to aquire the best gear u can get, doesnt feel right.
Did you see the recent League of Legends or dota2 turnaments? These players just competed agaisnt each others in a fair game. Some lost cause they played worse.Not because the other teams spent 100$ on an item that helped them win. Thats competitive and fair pvp.
What is fair? So long as the rules are clearly laid down, and everyone has access to each tool, it is fair.
Do you cry foul if someone richer than you outbids you in an auction?
Everyone has the option to use the same RMAH, or in-game AH. Everyone sees the same AH listing, and enjoys the same rights in bidding, selling. Everyone has access to the same selection of classes. Everything is fair.
That is fairness. That is enough, and that is really not necessary in a game. I do not mind fighting someone who has better chances to beat me in a game, that is another form of challenge, and so long as I do not need to pay a heavy fine for losing, I do not mind if I end up defeated or not.
Its a game, voluntary game.
I always see D3 as a cooperative dungeon crawler, in which duelling is just a by product. I wonder why a ladder is necessary. I remember competing to be the one that last longest in hardcore mode of D2, not dying. I remember competing to be the first level 99 as HC. I do not remember people caring who kill who in a duel.
Yea it figures.You sir are a lost cause. You just saying that a richer person is fair to have better gear than you.Because he clicked on the AH and bought the best pieces.Thats fair for you.I guess you are the rich guy.I am goign to stick with my definition of fairness ingame. And wont keep arguing people that dont even care about competing in games.
I also remember spending 3-6 daily in item vs item trade games and channels. I enjoyed it a lot. But i wont be able to do it in D3 cause of the RMAH.Sure there will be some people trading the old way,but if you manage to find a really rare item i doubt you wont use the RMAH to sell it.I know i would.
I also was playing in hardcore. Had geared up 3 duel barbs.There was a pvp community.Maybe you werent part of it. I surely was, i lost 2 barbs there and their gear.
How will the rich guy be on top if he cant buy any items?
Maybe I am rich by some standard, I never need to worry about starvation.
Maybe I am not competitive by your standard in games, which is after work winddown for me.
I do not spend money on gears, nor do I play F2P games.
And I am very disappointed with D3, not because of RMAH, I am still on the fence about this game.
I still believe that fair means open access to all, it does not mean equality in allocation. Fair is not justice and it definitely is not equality. And we are not talking about billion dollar purchases, and so the richest man does not have too much of an advantage. Most of the gamers would be able to afford a sword from the AH, the question is, would you care to pay for it. Does it matter so much?
If you have to moan over a game gear that might just cost you 10 bucks, you will find endless list for moaning. Mercedes cost up to quarter millions each. They are on sale for real money. They are games of another kind. So the car community need to bitch?
Its a game, relax, play, enjoy and move on.
What is all this? People will buy ingame money or gear no matter what, this way real life money spenders won't have to go to corrupt websites to do so. And the people that spend all time gaming (Don't make alot of real life money) can sell gear for real cash and don't have to go to those corupt places either. Its a win win for all. And then people say its all about making money for Blizzard, erh yes why would they make a non profit product? LOL
Zoos the Slacker
So you enjoy shouting in trade channels for hours, and use up your gaming hours waiting for a trade to happen? Understand. I have enough of that from East Common days in EQ1, since WoW, I swear I will stick to AH.
I would rather throw the item to any AH and let them bid on it, with the gold/real money I can then go buy whatever I want. In the meantime, my gaming hours are spent gaming, or searching the AH casually for things I like to buy.
An auction house is a more efficient and less time costly way to complete a transaction. You do not need to find the buyer who can swap you something. You can leave it to a mechanism. At the end of the day, you get back the same deal, you sell something and you buy something else later, if you so wish.
As for duelling yes I have been there, but not as HC. There is too much cheating in D2 to take duelling serioiusly. We sometimes try fancy dueling, say 2 warrior dueling each other with throws, none of us with any talent in the throw skillset. Or boxing by 2 socerers. That is our takee on D2 duelling, it is not really a serious game for duelling, for us.
Very true, if anyone is to make money out of Blizzard's games, it should be Blizzard.
I don't mind this as far as Diablo goes, but I'm really worried about what it could mean for WoW or any future Blizzard MMO's. In a single player game it doesn't matter what everybody else does, whether it is farming for items or buying things off the AH for real world money. That doesn't affect my playthrough since those people aren't in my game.
But... if Blizzard decides this is such a great thing that it should be in MMOs too it will turn WoW (or their next game) into a farm fest far worse than even the worst times with gold farmers. Similarly, it will be hard for players to get into raiding and PVP guilds if they don't spend the cash to buy the best BOE items of the cash AH. The thing that will make it worse is that the more money Blizzard makes the more they are likely to increase the number of really good BOEs making it even more imparative that you buy them.
I don't think so, Blizzard and other company's know that not all play hardcore. Im sure they don't wanna loose the casual players. I think this way it will be more balanced because they will control the market and not some farm company with cracy prices.
Zoos the Slacker
I agree with Fessor111
Only a small handful of WoW players make it to the major raid guilds. Less than half of the player base make it to max level.
Specifically for D3, this simply does not matter. There is no persistent world, everyone can open his own session and farm to his heart's delight. Since everyone can farm the same boss over and over, and there is no respawn rate, meaning you can run to the boss kill him and rinse, like we do with Memphisto in D2, we are effectively farmers ourselves. Everyone in D2 is a farmer, we just farm our own favourite boss, over and over.
*facepalm*
The point I was trying to make is that RMT causes games to be less about the game and more about money.
No matter your intent to play the game, all of your activities in an RMT game can be quantified and have a price tag attached to it. Every time you loot an item it's worth something, and you can get so many drops and hour, with a low percentage of being worth a decent bit more than the other. Average out the worth of items per hour and there's your wage for 'playing' the game.
Some people can ignore it, but others like myself see it as an oozing sore on the game. I can't help but see that all my ingame actions equate to a monetary value. Furthermore, that dollar value is very little to what I actually make working, so actually playing the game feels like an absolute waste of time when I'm acquiring loot that's worth a fraction of a fraction of what I make an hour in my career. This is because the alternative to buy such gear exists, and it makes a hell of a lot more sense to just buy gear... but then why am I even in the game if I'm not going to actually play it?
TL;DR for the above paragraph: RMT causes a game to feel like a second job for me... an extremely poorly paying job. All because there are real world values to the game.
My stance on the issue isn't irrational, and I consider your statement that I'm ignorant on the subject as extremely insulting. I've been playing MMOs for well over a decade, and I've even participated in RMT. In fact, that's exactly why I despise RMT as much as I do. The one game I actually got into RMT with, Ultima Online, was the first and last time.
Without getting into too many details, I was lucky enough to get a few extremely rare and difficult to obtain artifact items as loot drops in the game. I couldn't use the particular items I had received since they didn't match my character's build. They were worth 10s of millions of gold in the game (one to two hundred dollars or so real cash each item). Well, I sold them, and made a nice chunk of change.
The next day though when I went back to playing the game, it was different. It wasn't the same game it was before I had sold the items. I found myself wanting to go back to try to farm more rare items to sell for real world cash (the drop rates were so low it took average 20+ hours of dungeon 'raiding' to get even one), but not because it was something I would enjoy, but because I could make money from it.
That's when I came to the realization that the game was no longer a game, but a job. My enjoyment of the game had faded and dissapeared the moment I sold my items for real cash, and I could no longer find enjoyment in actually playing the game, because every moment in the game I spent not in the dungeon trying to get more artifacts to sell felt like a waste of time, and the time I spent in there now felt like a very poorly paying and tedious job. So I pretty much just stopped playing, and sold my account -- which is allowed in UO -- a few weeks later.
So no, I'm really not just exagerating or being irrational. RMT really does kill any sense of enjoyment for a game for me, it's happened to me before which is why I avoided it now and will continue to in the future. It's not a matter of choice for me, it just is what it is, which is that the existence of RMT just kills any sense of enjoyment in a game for me.
You can keep calling me ignorant and act like your opinion is flawless, but that doesn't change that I know you're wrong. That's not to say that you're not allowed to enjoy RMT, but you're dead wrong in your assumption that everyone who dislikes RMT is ignorant or incorrect for feeling that way about RMT.
I can't wait to laugh at the people that waste their life trying to farm diablo III so they don't have to work. I can't wait to laugh while I read about how some sucker had his account hacked and lost thousands in virtual goods. I can't wait to read about how people are complaining because of some foreign sweatshop dragging all the prices down because they can pay someone a dollar a day to do nothing but farm diablo III. I can't wait to watch millions people try and farm goods to sell to the thousands that will actually buy something.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.
To Cederith
If people want to minimax, in a game, they will play whatever that rewards, them most. XP, loot. In D2, people farm memphisto 24/7 b/c he is the most cost effective venue for top loots, except a few that he cannot drop. Money or no money people will be going for the most profitable farming location.
i sure hope that with millions of suppliers, price will be driven down to dirt cheap, of course, I am hoping people want to make money out of it, and not spend. I may be dreaming.
It doesn't really matter, the game is still not yet in beta. We will know in due course.
Why would you need to call the players suckers? because you know them to be bad somehow in person? Why laugh when someone got his account hacked?
Diablo series is a straight forth dungeon crawler, and after you finish the game by beating the boss, the only purpose left is to grind gear. Why laugh when many people actually enjoy the casino-like thrill of killing the boss and looking at the drop.
I do not want to speculate on how many will buy, though I believe millions will sell. Sweat shops exist in D2 already, there is no reason to believe it will not exist again in D3. This RMAH is a good attempt from Blizzard to cut into the monopoly these sweat shops enjoy in selling items from diablo.
Will only be playing Diablo 3 in closed games, the only thing that really sucks about this is pvp once items start getting around and people are buying them.
I figure that will still be at least some time since items drop so rare in Diablo and to get the best will be hard anyway. I'm sure some slave farming companies will do their best tho.
Well, fair deal by Blizzard. This is a true innovative move supported by market trends and I have no doubt it will be a success for them and users of their products.
It also makes me very happy that the games they produce are not to my liking so I will not be a part of this.
The trade with virtual items for hard cash has been big for years. E-bay is just one big example where you can find hundreds of auctions every day. Why shouldn't Blizzard take the matter into their own hand and profit from the auction fee instead of E-Bay. In my opinion the money is better spent with them than E-Bay. This way they make extra cash they may invest in support services and new games.
Unless You're talking about making every nice item bound on acquire/pickup, how will You stop rich people from buying gear from others(E-bay, D2jsp)?
As for loosing a duel to person who bought items on RMAH - how will You know he/she bought them? How this is different from getting those items via trading?
I am very intrigued by the idea of RMT and can't wait to see how it all works out.
I will be getting Diablo 3 because from everything i have seen about it, I believe it will be an awesome game and bring me hours and hours of fun, single player and multiplayer alike.
In respect to PvP, Blizzard said they do not plan to make D3 an e-sport - PvP is just an added extra. There is no ladder or visable rating system, all players have a hidden rating and players are matched against player of similar rating. The chances of someone in basic gear coming up against some in the top end gear be it bought or earned is unlikey.
I don't plan to PvP (maybe with friends) it's the PvE with friends I want D3 for and a RMAH will have zero impact on that.
Any good/rare gear I get will likey be shared with friends, sold for gold or broken down for mats, but TBH I'll always check the going rate of items on RMHA - I'd be a fool not to, but unlikey to post anything on there unless I stand to earn $10 or more, and only after it not needed by me or friends.
I plan to play all four difficulties and beat the game, then wait for the expansion, I don't plan to farm this game for nickles and dimes.
Last I remember, most of the best items are not going to be tradable/sellable. (For those talking about pvp balance and being buy 2 win)