What modern PvP Sandbox mmo is better than darkfall i assume is what you were asking, to which im sure EvE would have gotten the unanimous vote.
If you wanted to rephrase the question and ask which pvp sandbox mmo with a fantasy setting has been better than DF in the past 5 years....Everyone will still say MO just to spite you lol, but i highly doubt there playing MO...i hardly doubt anyone is playing MO...same can be said for DF though untill 2.0.
i'm afraid that there is nothing like DF out there too, so once my sub ran out in a few weeks i'll stop playing mmorpgs and have a lot more time.... the game was greate just the company was terrible, the first 2 years were ok, but they finally failed in the third, lack of updates, bad communication so it just dies now...
I wouldnt say that any MMO is better than Darkfall overall but I would say that some are better for certain types of gameplay.
best grindfree PVP battlegrounds is Guildwars
best free PVP MMO is probably LoL
best free-trial is WAR but it gets boring fast
best realistic combat is mount & blade
best single-player sandbox is anything from elderscrolls or fallout
best flashplayer game is transformice
best browser game is die 2 nite imo
best graphics and art I would say is AoC
best themepark PVE is Vanguard
for the best F2P dungeons play DDO
best FPS is currently BF3
Overall I think that the gameplay of Darkfall is better than all other MMOs. Maybe this is because I havent burnt myself out and have a gaming keyboard/mouse which seems to matter a lot. Other games suck in comparison though imo but I still find myself playing others for reasons listed above.
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EVE is the only consistently good MMO out there, but it's way too tedious compared to a functional Darkfall. I suggest you enjoy good multiplayer games (BF3, SC2, LoL, Dota2 etc) until Darkfall 2.0 is out. It's not like we have other sandbox games coming up anytime soon?
Personally I've played vanilla WoW on http://wow-one.com/ for the past 5-6 months after I unsubbed DF.
my choice was between both darkfall and MO. I originally seen the trailer for darkfall and loved the whole concept etc and i seen the trailer for mo and assumed it must of been a good while off release since it looked rather next gen. Upon release of darkfall i tried to sub but was unable to and then recently found out about mo going into beta and joined that.
I think the reason why i stuck with mo was mainly due to the skill cap and more realistic feel along with better graphics. But im still excited for darkfall 2.0 and will certainly use that as a chance to give darkfall a try. its jsut with all the people coming from darkfall to mo most are telling me to not bother with darkfall at least until 2.0.
I'm a huge Darkfall fan, biggest problem here that no other company has is, "Adventurine." They are jerks...communication is terrabad...sad company filled with lies.
The game itself is amazing though...dead population kills it..I just left the game a week or so ago as you fight the same people every day, probably not more than 300 people on the server at once, gets old. If the game had a better population, I'd be back in a second dispite hating adventurine. Playing L2 now that is f2p and it's a blast as well.
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If the game had a better population, I'd be back in a second dispite hating adventurine.
And so would thousands of others . .. just look at the number of hits on their forums and on this site.
Too many people waiting for 2.0 when there is nothing else better to play! It sucks fighting the same people over and over again but moving to a new home helps spice things up a lot. I've been pretty casual with the game during the past year but I love Skyrim and keep trying to play it but that games makes me miss Darkfall so I've been on more lately and have been having as much fun as I did a year ago.
L2? . .. lol
In that case you'll be back before 2.0 is launched I am willing to bet. Auto-run and auto-aim is automatically boring.
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Currently, any MMO is better than DarkFall. Will DarkFall 2.0 save the day? Only time will tell (think I heard about beta in Q2 this year, not sure?) .
Still, DarkFall was awesome at Launch, but died down too quickly because of Aventurine's extremely slow reaction time, and their inability to fix any of the glaring issues that happened back then (which still aren't fixed to this day, they just found a way to encourage a different behavior but that's it). I'm referring to exploiting for example, also AFK skill grinding and Bloodwalls (still possible, but Meditation reduced this relatively well). Because of that alone, any MMO is currently better than DarkFall.
DarkFall would've been a much better game if Aventurine had gone with their initial view rather than going with the cookie-cutter/"we're a small team and programming is hard" way. Alignement System is a complete failure, so is the "conquest" system, the skill system, etc.
I have no clue how the new siege mechanics and armor system will play out. Tasos gave a decent amount of info on it but I don't want jump the gun and say it will be the greatest change ever. One thing Launch taught us is that AV are very bad at predicting player behaviors (and delivering), and because of that are unable to really make a system that will give as much freedom as possible but without letting things get out of hands either. Alignement System is a perfect example, and twice at that. From PKers going -100 to +10 simply by repeatedly killing a red alt char, then you had Blue Blocks tactics, etc. Then they changed the alignement system and introduced Chaos Churches, but completely forgot about players who are red simply for defending themselves or their allies, so they have to wait 50 days without killing a blue player (for self-defense) just to get back to blue. Finally they fixed it with the lawless areas, but we're talking over 2 years later...and that's just for the alignement system.
So I'll say it again, currently any MMO is better than DarkFall. Might as well add some Single-Player games while we're at it, because Skyrim is just so freaking awesome and the engine should be released to the public soon.
P.S and don't give me that "Just name a game" thing, it's irrelevant. Don't try to find closeted WoW players, there's none of that in my house. Debating opinions is just ridiculous.
Was this thread supposed to make DFO look good because it did nothing lol. DFO is failing currently simply because AV fails. A bad dev team = a bad MMO. DFO isn't worth the $15 a month sub so any MMO is better. I/m a huge sandbox MMO fan but I'd rather play WoW then any game ran by AV :-/
My hopes are high for 2.0 but knowing AV and their past it will be an epic flop..lol
Was this thread supposed to make DFO look good because it did nothing lol. DFO is failing currently simply because AV fails. A bad dev team = a bad MMO. DFO isn't worth the $15 a month sub so any MMO is better. I/m a huge sandbox MMO fan but I'd rather play WoW then any game ran by AV :-/
My hopes are high for 2.0 but knowing AV and their past it will be an epic flop..lol
If you rather play wow, you are wrong. Most of us would say: We rather play battlefield 3 instead. cuz there are no other mmo's worth playing, but darkfall.
Darkfall isn't a terrible game it just has too much incentives to, not so much cheat (when I think cheat I think aimbot, wall hacks, duping, etc) but take shortcuts using in-game mechanics. My experience of PvE in DF was as follows:
Group of 6 players, everyone has a shield in their inventory as well as a bow and arrows. 4 players equipped shields and boxed in a mob by putting up their shields (keep in mind there is collision in DF). Other 2 people shot at the mob until someone's stamina ran too low from blocking. At that point one of the arrow shooters equipped shield and took the stamina-less persons place. Eventually the mob dies and we divvyed out the loot. Gold went to guild expenses (city upgrades), and other random loot was on an as-needed basis (like if someone was levelling archery they would need bows because they'd be breaking them so fast on bloodwall). Rinse, Repeat.
Now if that sounds like fun to you then, well I guess DF is the best MMO out right now.
Darkfall isn't a terrible game it just has too much incentives to, not so much cheat (when I think cheat I think aimbot, wall hacks, duping, etc) but take shortcuts using in-game mechanics. My experience of PvE in DF was as follows:
Group of 6 players, everyone has a shield in their inventory as well as a bow and arrows. 4 players equipped shields and boxed in a mob by putting up their shields (keep in mind there is collision in DF). Other 2 people shot at the mob until someone's stamina ran too low from blocking. At that point one of the arrow shooters equipped shield and took the stamina-less persons place. Eventually the mob dies and we divvyed out the loot. Gold went to guild expenses (city upgrades), and other random loot was on an as-needed basis (like if someone was levelling archery they would need bows because they'd be breaking them so fast on bloodwall). Rinse, Repeat.
Now if that sounds like fun to you then, well I guess DF is the best MMO out right now.
Wait, so you think we play darkfall for the pve??? Id play skyrim all day over DF if it was for that. I never farm in a group.
I am not sure I like these answers people are giving...like
'gesh..any of them' (i guess that means hello kitty?)
..I think even...
I would perfer a name of a MMO that is better with no pre-text, aplogy, supposition or ,injector etc...thanks
Wow ,Rift ,Ddo,Aoc list can go on. For my personal taste and being a huge lover of Mount and blade ,Morrorwind oblivion Skyrim combat systems my main problem with DF was that combat was looking and playing like it was Morrorwind pre-Beta in terms of quality animations,smooth movement,weapons and hands animations during hack n slash. If combat in DF was acceptable for my taste i probably would be playing DF from launch till now since i like sandbox style mmorpgs.
That's funny, i'm having a hard time thinking of any modernm MMO that ISNT better than Darkfall... Seriously, this game is weak. A buggy mess.
II'm sure wow, rift, swtor are not better then DF. All you do is standing in one place while typing 1 2 3 4 5, next monster or player, repeat.
I can confirm, based on personal experience, that all three of those are definitely superior to DF. I'm sure Hello Kitty online is as well, but that's only speculation.
That's funny, i'm having a hard time thinking of any modernm MMO that ISNT better than Darkfall... Seriously, this game is weak. A buggy mess.
II'm sure wow, rift, swtor are not better then DF. All you do is standing in one place while typing 1 2 3 4 5, next monster or player, repeat.
I can confirm, based on personal experience, that all three of those are definitely superior to DF. I'm sure Hello Kitty online is as well, but that's only speculation.
Thats you'e opinion, i cant change it. I'm just trying to make you understand why we think DF is the best mmo out there. For us, there's no other mmo in existance. Well, only 2. DF and MO, but MO combat system is horrible.
The feature we seek in a mmo: open world pvp, full loot, conquest and FPS or TPS(third person shooter). All of these must harmonize togheter.
The grind is horrible in DF and you must stay away from it for that reason, but if you can get pass that, you can see how fun the game really is if you can get yourself into our politic. DF 2.0 will fix all these problem.
If you still gonna hate, then i dont know what you seek in here cuz you probably wont even find it in 2.0 anyway. DF will never be a good for the pve and thats far from the reason we are playing it. .
I think the OP is referring to an open world sandbox style game.
Currently there is nothing better, except maybe Eve, but DF is still garbage for many reasons that are stated above.
There are a lot of people on this site waiting for a company to design a working sandbox, unfortunatly we've only had wow clones for the past few years.
The problem with free for all pvp games and servers is that the hardcore players grind up super fast and then gank the noobs and casuals for a while until they get fed up and leave. The game then dies and falls out of favor due to the low population.
In this day and age building a game that kills off the future revenue stream (noobs) is a pretty stupid business plan. Darkfall is the perfect example - fun for like a month, then people realized you needed to grind skills for months the be competitive and the majority simply left. Being farmed by the hardcore no lifers for months is a waste of most people's time.
I am at the point where I believe the only way a open pvp game can have lasting appeal is if there is no grind and everyone has equal power from level 1. This is how Planetside 1 was and it was strong for several years until SOE let it die due to poor design decisions.
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What modern PvP Sandbox mmo is better than darkfall i assume is what you were asking, to which im sure EvE would have gotten the unanimous vote.
If you wanted to rephrase the question and ask which pvp sandbox mmo with a fantasy setting has been better than DF in the past 5 years....Everyone will still say MO just to spite you lol, but i highly doubt there playing MO...i hardly doubt anyone is playing MO...same can be said for DF though untill 2.0.
i'm afraid that there is nothing like DF out there too, so once my sub ran out in a few weeks i'll stop playing mmorpgs and have a lot more time.... the game was greate just the company was terrible, the first 2 years were ok, but they finally failed in the third, lack of updates, bad communication so it just dies now...
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I wouldnt say that any MMO is better than Darkfall overall but I would say that some are better for certain types of gameplay.
best grindfree PVP battlegrounds is Guildwars
best free PVP MMO is probably LoL
best free-trial is WAR but it gets boring fast
best realistic combat is mount & blade
best single-player sandbox is anything from elderscrolls or fallout
best flashplayer game is transformice
best browser game is die 2 nite imo
best graphics and art I would say is AoC
best themepark PVE is Vanguard
for the best F2P dungeons play DDO
best FPS is currently BF3
Overall I think that the gameplay of Darkfall is better than all other MMOs. Maybe this is because I havent burnt myself out and have a gaming keyboard/mouse which seems to matter a lot. Other games suck in comparison though imo but I still find myself playing others for reasons listed above.
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EVE is the only consistently good MMO out there, but it's way too tedious compared to a functional Darkfall. I suggest you enjoy good multiplayer games (BF3, SC2, LoL, Dota2 etc) until Darkfall 2.0 is out. It's not like we have other sandbox games coming up anytime soon?
Personally I've played vanilla WoW on http://wow-one.com/ for the past 5-6 months after I unsubbed DF.
my choice was between both darkfall and MO. I originally seen the trailer for darkfall and loved the whole concept etc and i seen the trailer for mo and assumed it must of been a good while off release since it looked rather next gen. Upon release of darkfall i tried to sub but was unable to and then recently found out about mo going into beta and joined that.
I think the reason why i stuck with mo was mainly due to the skill cap and more realistic feel along with better graphics. But im still excited for darkfall 2.0 and will certainly use that as a chance to give darkfall a try. its jsut with all the people coming from darkfall to mo most are telling me to not bother with darkfall at least until 2.0.
http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/69871-darkfall-2-0-a.html
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
I'd say pretty much all of them.
The best modern pvp based MMO is Mortal Online ofcourse.
I thought league of legends was a lobby game?
Never trust a screenshot or a youtube video without a version stamp!
At the moment, MO is better, but not the best mmorpg while DF is currently the best mmorpg. Contradiction much, i know, but thats how i feel.
DF 2.0 is already the best mmorpg. We dont need to try it to prove it.
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Stronghold Kingdoms.
funny to see posters have opinions about a game which they prolly not played more then 14 days.
@op
I think indeed darkfall is best mmo on market. 100% fact if you are pvp freak
But there people that like to dungeon pve raids for 6/10 hours staight aswell.. so there opinions are also valid.
PVP aka combat wise 400% darkfall.. there is nothing better on the market.
Sad but also a fact: Darkfall is a game run by AV.. which is prolly the most retarded company of all..
And current state of the game made me quit aswell..( on EU) this after 2 years of fun
Game has so much potential.....
P.s. i offer 100 euro to av to take a dump in there main office
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
I'm a huge Darkfall fan, biggest problem here that no other company has is, "Adventurine." They are jerks...communication is terrabad...sad company filled with lies.
The game itself is amazing though...dead population kills it..I just left the game a week or so ago as you fight the same people every day, probably not more than 300 people on the server at once, gets old. If the game had a better population, I'd be back in a second dispite hating adventurine. Playing L2 now that is f2p and it's a blast as well.
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And so would thousands of others . .. just look at the number of hits on their forums and on this site.
Too many people waiting for 2.0 when there is nothing else better to play! It sucks fighting the same people over and over again but moving to a new home helps spice things up a lot. I've been pretty casual with the game during the past year but I love Skyrim and keep trying to play it but that games makes me miss Darkfall so I've been on more lately and have been having as much fun as I did a year ago.
L2? . .. lol
In that case you'll be back before 2.0 is launched I am willing to bet. Auto-run and auto-aim is automatically boring.
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Currently, any MMO is better than DarkFall. Will DarkFall 2.0 save the day? Only time will tell (think I heard about beta in Q2 this year, not sure?) .
Still, DarkFall was awesome at Launch, but died down too quickly because of Aventurine's extremely slow reaction time, and their inability to fix any of the glaring issues that happened back then (which still aren't fixed to this day, they just found a way to encourage a different behavior but that's it). I'm referring to exploiting for example, also AFK skill grinding and Bloodwalls (still possible, but Meditation reduced this relatively well). Because of that alone, any MMO is currently better than DarkFall.
DarkFall would've been a much better game if Aventurine had gone with their initial view rather than going with the cookie-cutter/"we're a small team and programming is hard" way. Alignement System is a complete failure, so is the "conquest" system, the skill system, etc.
I have no clue how the new siege mechanics and armor system will play out. Tasos gave a decent amount of info on it but I don't want jump the gun and say it will be the greatest change ever. One thing Launch taught us is that AV are very bad at predicting player behaviors (and delivering), and because of that are unable to really make a system that will give as much freedom as possible but without letting things get out of hands either. Alignement System is a perfect example, and twice at that. From PKers going -100 to +10 simply by repeatedly killing a red alt char, then you had Blue Blocks tactics, etc. Then they changed the alignement system and introduced Chaos Churches, but completely forgot about players who are red simply for defending themselves or their allies, so they have to wait 50 days without killing a blue player (for self-defense) just to get back to blue. Finally they fixed it with the lawless areas, but we're talking over 2 years later...and that's just for the alignement system.
So I'll say it again, currently any MMO is better than DarkFall. Might as well add some Single-Player games while we're at it, because Skyrim is just so freaking awesome and the engine should be released to the public soon.
P.S and don't give me that "Just name a game" thing, it's irrelevant. Don't try to find closeted WoW players, there's none of that in my house. Debating opinions is just ridiculous.
Was this thread supposed to make DFO look good because it did nothing lol. DFO is failing currently simply because AV fails. A bad dev team = a bad MMO. DFO isn't worth the $15 a month sub so any MMO is better. I/m a huge sandbox MMO fan but I'd rather play WoW then any game ran by AV :-/
My hopes are high for 2.0 but knowing AV and their past it will be an epic flop..lol
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
If you rather play wow, you are wrong. Most of us would say: We rather play battlefield 3 instead. cuz there are no other mmo's worth playing, but darkfall.
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Darkfall isn't a terrible game it just has too much incentives to, not so much cheat (when I think cheat I think aimbot, wall hacks, duping, etc) but take shortcuts using in-game mechanics. My experience of PvE in DF was as follows:
Group of 6 players, everyone has a shield in their inventory as well as a bow and arrows. 4 players equipped shields and boxed in a mob by putting up their shields (keep in mind there is collision in DF). Other 2 people shot at the mob until someone's stamina ran too low from blocking. At that point one of the arrow shooters equipped shield and took the stamina-less persons place. Eventually the mob dies and we divvyed out the loot. Gold went to guild expenses (city upgrades), and other random loot was on an as-needed basis (like if someone was levelling archery they would need bows because they'd be breaking them so fast on bloodwall). Rinse, Repeat.
Now if that sounds like fun to you then, well I guess DF is the best MMO out right now.
Wait, so you think we play darkfall for the pve??? Id play skyrim all day over DF if it was for that. I never farm in a group.
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That's funny, i'm having a hard time thinking of any modernm MMO that ISNT better than Darkfall... Seriously, this game is weak. A buggy mess.
II'm sure wow, rift, swtor are not better then DF. All you do is standing in one place while typing 1 2 3 4 5, next monster or player, repeat.
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Wow ,Rift ,Ddo,Aoc list can go on. For my personal taste and being a huge lover of Mount and blade ,Morrorwind oblivion Skyrim combat systems my main problem with DF was that combat was looking and playing like it was Morrorwind pre-Beta in terms of quality animations,smooth movement,weapons and hands animations during hack n slash. If combat in DF was acceptable for my taste i probably would be playing DF from launch till now since i like sandbox style mmorpgs.
I can confirm, based on personal experience, that all three of those are definitely superior to DF. I'm sure Hello Kitty online is as well, but that's only speculation.
Thats you'e opinion, i cant change it. I'm just trying to make you understand why we think DF is the best mmo out there. For us, there's no other mmo in existance. Well, only 2. DF and MO, but MO combat system is horrible.
The feature we seek in a mmo: open world pvp, full loot, conquest and FPS or TPS(third person shooter). All of these must harmonize togheter.
The grind is horrible in DF and you must stay away from it for that reason, but if you can get pass that, you can see how fun the game really is if you can get yourself into our politic. DF 2.0 will fix all these problem.
If you still gonna hate, then i dont know what you seek in here cuz you probably wont even find it in 2.0 anyway. DF will never be a good for the pve and thats far from the reason we are playing it. .
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Geesh, where do questions like this come from??? Drugs??? I count 97 mmos that have higher ratings than Darkfail. Get off my internet. Please!!!
I think the OP is referring to an open world sandbox style game.
Currently there is nothing better, except maybe Eve, but DF is still garbage for many reasons that are stated above.
There are a lot of people on this site waiting for a company to design a working sandbox, unfortunatly we've only had wow clones for the past few years.
The problem with free for all pvp games and servers is that the hardcore players grind up super fast and then gank the noobs and casuals for a while until they get fed up and leave. The game then dies and falls out of favor due to the low population.
In this day and age building a game that kills off the future revenue stream (noobs) is a pretty stupid business plan. Darkfall is the perfect example - fun for like a month, then people realized you needed to grind skills for months the be competitive and the majority simply left. Being farmed by the hardcore no lifers for months is a waste of most people's time.
I am at the point where I believe the only way a open pvp game can have lasting appeal is if there is no grind and everyone has equal power from level 1. This is how Planetside 1 was and it was strong for several years until SOE let it die due to poor design decisions.