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Give us a subscription no cash shop server, specifically 3 of them for rvr purposes
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I'd say it's not a bad idea. Just to make the whining stop.
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Anet wouldn't do it because they seem to be fundamentally opposed to the idea of a sub-based game. Probably because most of their fan base (including myself) are also opposed to it.
Also, for the last time, the items they have shown so far ARE NOT PAY2WIN!!!! Show me anywhere a single player has an actual advantage (not just some made up - oh, he's leveling faster than me and I don't like that - "advantage") over another player. It's just not there.
If you really want a sub-based game with no cash shop, go somewhere else.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
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You don't know that there's going to be ANY type ad in game for the cash shop. FFS in GW1 you couldn't even readily FIND the cash shop without hunting it down. It didn't even open in the game, it went to an official web site, for crying out loud. There was nothing obtrusive in the GAME at ALL.
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Its fully possible and if they truly could fill 3 servers with subs they might do it.
But i dont think Anet will do this unless you can realy convince em that you are enough to fill 3 seperate servers. And keep em active.
If sub servers see little activity most will just migrate over to b2p servers and Anet would have wasted alot of time and money on nothing.
I have no clue how activity works compared to subs for each server, but they would need more subs then what the server activity showes as people take break some only play 1h etc.
Eve has what? 300k subs but only 40k is logd in at any given time. Those numbers aint correct but is a good example non the less
Why would they do that only to remove them in 3months? Seems not every productive to me.
Aight i can see where your commin from. You see a Pandora's Box (CS) with the lid slightly cracked open and your afraid of how far down the Rabbit Hole they are gonna go with the items in there. Valid Concern, but not a certainty. Death and Taxes blah blah lol.
So yea. I hope you dont write the game off yet. Im very anti Pay to Win. But nothing i saw in the leak felt like it would impact or hurt my gameplay.
Just no. The Cash Shop is perfectly fine where it stands and ArenaNet has help true to their design philosophy so far, I see no reason they would slip up on something so controversial.
The Cash Shop item leak, I don't even take it seriously. It has been stated countless times that what is currently being tested in the beta events may or may not make it into release. ArenaNet is testing which items the community likes the most and which items the community hates. Heck... go into beta and give them constructive feedback on what items you like in the shop and which you would never want to see.
I'd very much like to see them keep their current model. $60 to buy the game box, play free forever after. Cash shop is supplemental income for ArenaNet and will be exactly what they said: cosmetic items, account services, and time saving convenience items (exactly like Guild Wars 1... for those that either have a short attention span, never played it, or never payed attention... GW1 had skill unlock packs, XP bonus weekends, mini-pets, costumes, name change...). All of the things from the GW1 cash shop have been brought to the GW2 cash shop.
So no... I do not want a server with a subscripton fee on it. ArenaNet did perfectly fine without charging a subscription fee the first time around and I'm quite sure they can pull that off once again with Guild Wars 2.
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Control for one. Anet has the means to control our pocketbooks. The items you see in the cash shop now will change and eventually (imho) become p2w. This is just one reason. A monthly sub is pretty much set in stone and they know they will lose money going this route. The OP just would like to see a couple Sub servers thats all. This debate about cash shops is everywhere. Go read one of them.
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Lol... Right... P2W cash shop... How did you come up with this conclusion? The leaked photos of cash shop is only beta one, not everything will stay there. They were trying out what will people spend 2000 gems they get in beta so they can see what people actually want in there.
Stop with this P2W nonsence... it's retarded.
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wish this would happen but it wont. those with expendable money are going to be spamming xp potions and leaving us who prefer a sub in the dust.
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Anet doesnt controll your money, you do. And i dont see how its different between b2p and p2p in this senario because if anet does go down the slope to p2w there gonna lose alot of sales on expansions and people buying things in the cs.
As i stated in another thread they can have 10,000 people that like p2w spending 50 dollars a month in a cs or 1,000,000 people that dont like p2w spending 5 dollars a month, which one do you think they would prefer?
Can someone please explain to me how any of the items in the leaked screen shot are P2W?
Yeah... that's actually all the more reason to get upset about things in the beta cash shop you don't like. ANet won't remove P2W-esque items from the cash shop UNLESS enough people openly voice their issue with such things. The cash shop will be shaped by feedback. Keeping your mouth shut over concerns of potential P2W in the cash shop is probably the dumbest thing to do right now.
so cash shops are cool and peeps who dont like cash shops are doomed and lost.
so if i ask nicely
Anet is there any chance that you could give us 3 free trial servers without cash shops ,it is a cool feature and i will miss it,i know people will laugh to us like "haha theres peeps playing without cash shops and trying to play crippled GW2.
like ripped game without wonderful cash shops,i can live with that,its hard but i can do it.
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There will never be a subscription, there will never be pay to win. The sooner you accept these simple facts the happier you'll be.
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I can't wait till the day comes when you people realize that if ANet promises something, they actually keep the promise. They said there won't be anything in the shop people wouldn't want there. What makes this cash shop even better is, if you want something in the cash shop, but you don't want to buy gems with real money, you just open up a window, type in the amount of gold you want to trade for gems, and you press trade. You get the gems instantly and you can buy something off the cash shop... In beta you could get around 2-3 gems for 2-5 silvers.... (100 copper is 1 silver, 100 silver is 1 gold... and silver is fairly easy to get)...
If GW1 had nothing in the shop which would make it P2W, then GW2 won't have it either.
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If you knew how much the stupid "P2W" term infuriets me in the meantime, I think you would be packing your bags by now and travel to the space so I can't find you and bong you with my necromancers staff silly! -.-
WHAT in the world is P2W in GW2?
Are people THAT jealous of each other that one might level faster with a xp boost from the item shop than they will do?
Well I have new for you: IT DOESN'T MATTER how fast someone is leveling cause:
- you can create a pvp character and jump immediately in the structured pvp OR WvsWvsW with all the types of weapons your profession can carry so you can choose what you want to play immediately additionaly with a maxed armor
- if you rush in pve through the game to level fast, you will most likely miss tons of events you might not ever experience or after a very long time when you cared enough to go back and get reduced on your level so you can be up to pair with the content of the previous levels
- no matter how much xp or gold you gain, rare items (like the green items in GW1 as example) will drop to you if you finish special quests, made the appropriate exploration, took part in a special world event or finished a particular dungeon
- NONE of all these things will make you stronger than a other player.
The only difference players WILL have on content will be that some might find some runes or weapons stat boosters you can build in your weapons or armor pieces faster than others and through this will have a larger pool of different stats they can add in their equipment.
Still everyone will get the chance to gain these overtime.
You won't need to rush and repeat a raid 700 hours long till the dice rolled ONE PIECE of overpowered equip for you instead for the others like in WoW (true story of a colleguae of mine that quit the game a while after).
Your suggestion would split a community that in the current state will be able to play TOGETHER and would add extra costs due to the additional servers which will be definately barely populated.
I assure you that most people are rather happy for the B2P option they had in GW1 and even happier that GW2 goes the same way aswell.
That type of argument is very weak. The beta leak tells you exactly what their frame of mind is on the cash shop. It's like if they decided to torture puppies in the beta. Yeah, the outcry would ensure no puppies will be tortured at launch, but the fact they even thought it a possibility repulses you.
And it's easy for outcry to make them behave at launch, as initial box sales are paramount then. But as time goes on, and box sales inevitably drop, the corrupting lure of the cash shop will become stronger and stronger. The beta shows exactly the direction it will go...
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1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
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The OP has the idea of haveing a few servers Subscription is all. Go debate your ideas on a cash shop thread. Why do you guys that hate subscriptions always jump in and start up these debates? It's constant. If you don't agree with others thats your opinion but the OP started this as an exclusive idea.
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No it would be good to debate about it IF we would actually see something in the cash shop that is P2W... This way it makes no sence..
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Why on earth do you need to segregate the servers for WvWvW? The cash shop has nothing to do with the PvP aspects so why seperate the server rankings ladder. Also it would get pointless having to face the same 2 servers if there were only 3 servers with this model every 2 weeks.
On another side note, you would need to restrict PvE server jumping because no matter what server you choose, you can go to any server and PvE there as it stands right now in-game. A subscription server should then never be allowed to the other servers as we are segregating both players.
Furthermore you need to balance out what the player gets in the monthly subscription to price ratio for cash shop members. Everything cannot be unlocked immediatly otherwise players would go to the subscription server then switch to the free server after getting everything. You would need to make a veteran type system where after the first $15, allow 2 character slots and a bag slot and a bank slot (example)
Honestly why not just pay $10-$15 a month in gems - you probably won't even spend them, there isn't much in the shop except for fluff and the occasional bonuses. There is no pay to win game here, its simply free or a make it your own monthly subscription for gems to use at your pleasure.
you are absolutely ridiculous... OMG cash shop has items that drop in game and are available to everyone /cry /b!tch /moan. Did you even see that most of the items people had issue with were REMOVED during the weekend already. My god ppl just like to b!tch without knowing anything.
Wait....are you bitching?
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>.< there is not one p2w item in that shop >.< you all are insane. Do you not understand the basics of this game? And it is obvious you haven't even looked into the leaked information that you are going off of.