Originally posted by Wickedjelly But thanks for stating the obvious anyways.
Ok then, pot meet kettle.
Why does everything on a forum have to be so confrontational.... lighten up people.
You're going to regret this when you get like really older and stuff.
Because it is a forum. Happens...all the time....that's part of the fun.
Not like I take it personally.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Hah this forum is getting hilarious, the GW2 hype even beats previous SWTOR hype.
still don't see how it's hype when many of people have put 80+ hours into this game already... In SWTOR most the talk was from dev videos and very limited play time.... Huge difference
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Dynamic Events were first introduced as a concept for Guild Wars: Utopia back in 2006, long before the release of Rift
Exactly, besides how can anyone even compare rifts to DE's?
They are not even anything close to PQ's.
Rifts are static never changing spawn points who all follow more or less the same path.
Wave 1, Wave 2 etc etc etc.
Dynamic events are also scripted but they are not static , far more diverse usually actively tell and carry a story and they can make real persistent changes to the world. I have never seen any of those traits in either the Rifts or the PQ's.
Lol, looks like you didnt played GW2 BW. All the DE in the game are statics with stages, Collect, Kill and then Kill the Big boss or protect that guy from A to B, same with the invasions, once you learn where it will happen, all you need to do is wait. And i do remember how rift and invasions changed the world around. I will play the game, mostly because is a e-sport and casual MMO, so i dont even need to level up all the way to 80 and at the end of the honey moon stage, most of the people will be there for the same reason, like it was in GW1, ¨the competitive PvP¨ or ¨sPvP¨, The PvE after a month will be bored, even more when you dont even need to do it, i mean i can get my ¨cosmetic gear¨ doing PvP, and still i dont really need it. The PvE is GW2 after 80 is just useless if u are there for the PvP, and most of the people who will play GW2 is there for, guess what, ¨the PvP¨.
I don't know about you, but in the 3 BWE My focus for GW2 is PVP like you said, but damn those PVE DE really takes up my time, every time I said I will go into the Mist, something happens, I see an event nearby and another couple hours goes bye bye.
Then I saw an waypoint, go there and another event nearby happens, another couple hours and I am too tired to go into the mist. Thats how I spent my time in GW2, I didn't even get to experience my personal Stories that much, nor touch the PVP.
Sure everyone will experience it differently because I didn't expect the PVE to suck me in like it did in the BWE. But just from that experience, I know that this game will entertain me for a long time.
( When SWTOR first came out, when there was no PVP gear, and the only differences in power was level, and the game balances your health, those was the best PVP ever. Every single player from level 10 ~ 49, was commenting on how fun those PVP sessions were and that the only thing missing was the skills that was still locked for the lower levels) For many , hours and hours of PVP was fun, exciting, and tactical, compare that to the level 50 pvp , you hear alot more complaints and QQing than praises.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
Originally posted by Thillian Hah this forum is getting hilarious, the GW2 hype even beats previous SWTOR hype.
Yeah...these folks are the worst I have seen in years. Really looking forward to the game but this community is going to be a headache to deal with.
It will be the butt of all mmo jokes if it doesn't succeed, however I am hoping for the best for GW2 as my kids and coworkers, but as you stated, how will the community be in a B2P game? From The BWE I had, everyone was helpful, but how will the community be after a month or 2 after release?
I recently just heard and chuckled, Dad can we buy Guild Wars 2, I think you will like this game and their is no monthly fee like World of Warcraft. I know this because my kids already said this. Like I said, I am a victim of peer pressure from hyped coworkers that were once WoW players and now my kids.
Its not the GW2 community that you have to worry about, its the people who have never read a single sticky thread about GW2 and those that just keep creating the same thread over and over that you need to worry about.
How many Cash Shop thread are created everyday, how many trinity thread do you see, and how many DE thread are out there? all these questions are answered by many, but it just gets tideous trying to explain the same exact thing over and over.
Many that defends GW2 defend it because like myself, have clocked over 48 hours in the game. And I applaud ANET for allowing BWE to exist, because having the players whom have played defend the game is better than what a Developer can say or do.
They felt the confidence to allow people to play their games and understand that they will be surprised with the game experience, and the truth is, they were right. Those that did play the game enjoy their game.
I would be very cautious like yourself if you haven't been in any of the BWE, because it took me 2 BWE to get used to the game, its different, they do slowly teach you the differences, but its still difficult to change when you have played other games for so long.
Taugrim is a great Blogger that you should do a Youtube search on, Totalbiscuit is also a great person to watch playing GW2, they give very good reviews. But in the end its up to you to experience it yourself to know if you will like it.
I stopped watching reviews because my own experience told me its the game for me, but now I am just watching how to improve my skills. And that is different than other MMO where gear is all that matters.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
Anyone with a functioning brain, when the word "potential" is the most common used to describe a game then its just a train wreck waiting to happen. It doesn't matter anyway, I didn't come here to argue about dolls houses and miniature farmville
Its not the GW2 community that you have to worry about, its the people who have never read a single sticky thread about GW2 and those that just keep creating the same thread over and over that you need to worry about.
How many Cash Shop thread are created everyday, how many trinity thread do you see, and how many DE thread are out there? all these questions are answered by many, but it just gets tideous trying to explain the same exact thing over and over.
Many that defends GW2 defend it because like myself, have clocked over 48 hours in the game. And I applaud ANET for allowing BWE to exist, because having the players whom have played defend the game is better than what a Developer can say or do.
They felt the confidence to allow people to play their games and understand that they will be surprised with the game experience, and the truth is, they were right. Those that did play the game enjoy their game.
I would be very cautious like yourself if you haven't been in any of the BWE, because it took me 2 BWE to get used to the game, its different, they do slowly teach you the differences, but its still difficult to change when you have played other games for so long.
Taugrim is a great Blogger that you should do a Youtube search on, Totalbiscuit is also a great person to watch playing GW2, they give very good reviews. But in the end its up to you to experience it yourself to know if you will like it.
I stopped watching reviews because my own experience told me its the game for me, but now I am just watching how to improve my skills. And that is different than other MMO where gear is all that matters.
Why would anyone need to worry about them? If they're wrong other posters simply inform them as to why. I don't see how they're any more of a problem than those on the other side glamorizing everything. Not like many take them seriously anyways besides those that get overly defensive about the whole matter. It isn't like they're going to affect anything.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Its not the GW2 community that you have to worry about, its the people who have never read a single sticky thread about GW2 and those that just keep creating the same thread over and over that you need to worry about.
How many Cash Shop thread are created everyday, how many trinity thread do you see, and how many DE thread are out there? all these questions are answered by many, but it just gets tideous trying to explain the same exact thing over and over.
Many that defends GW2 defend it because like myself, have clocked over 48 hours in the game. And I applaud ANET for allowing BWE to exist, because having the players whom have played defend the game is better than what a Developer can say or do.
They felt the confidence to allow people to play their games and understand that they will be surprised with the game experience, and the truth is, they were right. Those that did play the game enjoy their game.
I would be very cautious like yourself if you haven't been in any of the BWE, because it took me 2 BWE to get used to the game, its different, they do slowly teach you the differences, but its still difficult to change when you have played other games for so long.
Taugrim is a great Blogger that you should do a Youtube search on, Totalbiscuit is also a great person to watch playing GW2, they give very good reviews. But in the end its up to you to experience it yourself to know if you will like it.
I stopped watching reviews because my own experience told me its the game for me, but now I am just watching how to improve my skills. And that is different than other MMO where gear is all that matters.
Why would anyone need to worry about them? If they're wrong other posters simply inform them as to why. I don't see how they're any more of a problem than those on the other side glamorizing everything. Not like many take them seriously anyways besides those that get overly defensive about the whole matter. It isn't like they're going to affect anything.
thats fine, I won't even defend my own post, I will just say that I know I will play, I already paid for it, I know I will enjoy it. IF you can't make up your own mind, Its up to you, and the information for everything about GW2 is available in the front of the Guild Wars 2 forum page. Good luck hope to see you in game.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
Anyone with a functioning brain, when the word "potential" is the most common used to describe a game then its just a train wreck waiting to happen. It doesn't matter anyway, I didn't come here to argue about dolls houses and miniature farmville
What did this have to do with anything? Are you refering to AA? lol.
Talk about someone hateing a game.
Edit: Look at some of the tage words used to describe GW2. WOW killer, Innovative and so on. Do i need to tell you what happens to most games that have those words as there definers?
Strange, but I didn't really see GW2 actually making such an impact. I mean I knew it would probably end the use of subscriptions for most MMO's, but actually gameplay changes such as this are a suprise. Maybe we will actually see some changes in the industry post WoW-mechanics.
Only time wll tell if GW2 mechanics are on the right track or not. Either way, it'll be interesting for all who enjoy mmo's
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Originally posted by aionix Strange, but I didn't really see GW2 actually making such an impact. I mean I knew it would probably end the use of subscriptions for most MMO's, but actually gameplay changes such as this are a suprise. Maybe we will actually see some changes in the industry post WoW-mechanics. Only time wll tell if GW2 mechanics are on the right track or not. Either way, it'll be interesting for all who enjoy mmo's
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Mount combat has been planned for eons in LotR. Had nothing to do with GW2.
The Rift change is a nice welcomed change but frankly I doubt it also had anything to do with GW2. People have been bitching about their PvP system since the game launched and they have been making changes all along to the system. SWTOR going f2p has to do with the subs and overall the game itself. As you well know from your time over on those forums so not sure why you're even going there. As for WoW, they revamp their game to try and improve on things when they see things work in other games since they've launched. Part of the reason they have such a huge userbase. Nothing new there. So while I do think GW2 is going to have an effect overall can't say I get your reasoning for any of the games you mentioned. If anything it will effect games that have not launched yet more than anything.
...and wtf is up with this forum. Jesus...posting right now is rather interesting to say the least.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Anyone with a functioning brain, when the word "potential" is the most common used to describe a game then its just a train wreck waiting to happen. It doesn't matter anyway, I didn't come here to argue about dolls houses and miniature farmville
What did this have to do with anything? Are you refering to AA? lol.
Talk about someone hateing a game.
Wow, you have so little to actually say you have to pretend you don't know I'm talking about AA and then attempt to call me racist. I mean I have low expectations when it comes to fanboys of games but you've managed to go even lower.
Originally posted by aionix Strange, but I didn't really see GW2 actually making such an impact. I mean I knew it would probably end the use of subscriptions for most MMO's, but actually gameplay changes such as this are a suprise. Maybe we will actually see some changes in the industry post WoW-mechanics. Only time wll tell if GW2 mechanics are on the right track or not. Either way, it'll be interesting for all who enjoy mmo's
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Mount combat has been planned for eons in LotR. Had nothing to do with GW2.
The Rift change is a nice welcomed change but frankly I doubt it also had anything to do with GW2. People have been bitching about their PvP system since the game launched and they have been making changes all along to the system. SWTOR going f2p has to do with the subs and overall the game itself. As you well know from your time over on those forums so not sure why you're even going there. As for WoW, they revamp their game to try and improve on things when they see things work in other games since they've launched. Part of the reason they have such a huge userbase. Nothing new there. So while I do think GW2 is going to have an effect overall can't say I get your reasoning for any of the games you mentioned. If anything it will effect games that have not launched yet more than anything.
...and wtf is up with this forum. Jesus...posting right now is rather interesting to say the least.
actually no, it was well requested but they kept saying no they had no plans to put it into LOTR. I'm not going to go down each one again mainly because this Editor issue is driving me nuts suffice it to say get off the boat that's floating down the river called Denial GW2 had much more to do with these changes then you and yours would have everyone believe, and it's not going to stop there. It's changing the market, but change is slow when it comes to stubborn devs
This often happens when a major MMO release is nearing. The competition always rushes to implement what they consider to be the best features of that game into their own product. WoW does this all the time...
As for the 'impact' GW2 will have, I think people are jumping to conclusions a bit prematurely. We have no idea how the game will be doing a few months after release.
Hah this forum is getting hilarious, the GW2 hype even beats previous SWTOR hype.
hmm let's see, devs claiming their game will kill wow, nope. devs claiming that their game will have features never before seen and found nowhere else, nope. devs claiming that their combat system is the best the market has to offer, nope. So how exactly does expressing excitement about features and a brilliant game design surpass SWTOR's hype again?
Originally posted by aionix Strange, but I didn't really see GW2 actually making such an impact. I mean I knew it would probably end the use of subscriptions for most MMO's, but actually gameplay changes such as this are a suprise. Maybe we will actually see some changes in the industry post WoW-mechanics. Only time wll tell if GW2 mechanics are on the right track or not. Either way, it'll be interesting for all who enjoy mmo's
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Mount combat has been planned for eons in LotR. Had nothing to do with GW2.
The Rift change is a nice welcomed change but frankly I doubt it also had anything to do with GW2. People have been bitching about their PvP system since the game launched and they have been making changes all along to the system. SWTOR going f2p has to do with the subs and overall the game itself. As you well know from your time over on those forums so not sure why you're even going there. As for WoW, they revamp their game to try and improve on things when they see things work in other games since they've launched. Part of the reason they have such a huge userbase. Nothing new there. So while I do think GW2 is going to have an effect overall can't say I get your reasoning for any of the games you mentioned. If anything it will effect games that have not launched yet more than anything.
...and wtf is up with this forum. Jesus...posting right now is rather interesting to say the least.
actually no, it was well requested but they kept saying no they had no plans to put it into LOTR. I'm not going to go down each one again mainly because this Editor issue is driving me nuts suffice it to say get off the boat that's floating down the river called Denial GW2 had much more to do with these changes then you and yours would have everyone believe, and it's not going to stop there. It's changing the market, but change is slow when it comes to stubborn devs
Bullshit
They have been planning on mounted combat for quite some time dude. Sorry to burst your bubble but it had nothing to do with GW2. The only thing was they teetered a bit on when it would be put in place probably because they were having some issues on getting it to work properly. The concept has been discussed ad nauseam for literally years at this point. Lol...I'm not in denial of anything. Gonna enjoy this game and I think it is rather well done. Unlike some around here though I don't see it as the second coming or associate every decision made by game companies as a reaction to GW2. Lol...can't believe you even think mounted combat is because of GW2. Can tell you don't really follow that game.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Originally posted by aionix Strange, but I didn't really see GW2 actually making such an impact. I mean I knew it would probably end the use of subscriptions for most MMO's, but actually gameplay changes such as this are a suprise. Maybe we will actually see some changes in the industry post WoW-mechanics. Only time wll tell if GW2 mechanics are on the right track or not. Either way, it'll be interesting for all who enjoy mmo's
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Mount combat has been planned for eons in LotR. Had nothing to do with GW2.
The Rift change is a nice welcomed change but frankly I doubt it also had anything to do with GW2. People have been bitching about their PvP system since the game launched and they have been making changes all along to the system. SWTOR going f2p has to do with the subs and overall the game itself. As you well know from your time over on those forums so not sure why you're even going there. As for WoW, they revamp their game to try and improve on things when they see things work in other games since they've launched. Part of the reason they have such a huge userbase. Nothing new there. So while I do think GW2 is going to have an effect overall can't say I get your reasoning for any of the games you mentioned. If anything it will effect games that have not launched yet more than anything.
...and wtf is up with this forum. Jesus...posting right now is rather interesting to say the least.
actually no, it was well requested but they kept saying no they had no plans to put it into LOTR. I'm not going to go down each one again mainly because this Editor issue is driving me nuts suffice it to say get off the boat that's floating down the river called Denial GW2 had much more to do with these changes then you and yours would have everyone believe, and it's not going to stop there. It's changing the market, but change is slow when it comes to stubborn devs
Bullshit
They have been planning on mounted combat for quite some time dude. Sorry to burst your bubble but it had nothing to do with GW2. The only thing was they teetered a bit on when it would be put in place probably because they were having some issues on getting it to work properly. The concept has been discussed ad nauseam for literally years at this point Lol...I'm not in denial of anything. Gonna enjoy this game and I think it is rather well done. Unlike some around here though I don;t see it as the second cmoing or associate every decision made by game companies as a reaction to GW2. Lol...can't believe you even think mounted combat is because of GW2. Can tell you don't really follow that game.
I've played LOTRO since it was just after being released as a sub only game, I know what I'm talking about but that's okay keep floating down the river. the rest of us will be watching the entire show and commenting on it from the stadium. You see, like WoW's sudden input of transmog after losing 2 mil subs all at once, LOTRO decided to finally put this much requested design into their expansion because they knew they had to compete to keep their fans, simple business model logic really, just because they talked about it alot, one cannot deny the timing, well, one can, but one wouldn't be correct.
Originally posted by aionix Strange, but I didn't really see GW2 actually making such an impact. I mean I knew it would probably end the use of subscriptions for most MMO's, but actually gameplay changes such as this are a suprise. Maybe we will actually see some changes in the industry post WoW-mechanics. Only time wll tell if GW2 mechanics are on the right track or not. Either way, it'll be interesting for all who enjoy mmo's
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Mount combat has been planned for eons in LotR. Had nothing to do with GW2.
The Rift change is a nice welcomed change but frankly I doubt it also had anything to do with GW2. People have been bitching about their PvP system since the game launched and they have been making changes all along to the system. SWTOR going f2p has to do with the subs and overall the game itself. As you well know from your time over on those forums so not sure why you're even going there. As for WoW, they revamp their game to try and improve on things when they see things work in other games since they've launched. Part of the reason they have such a huge userbase. Nothing new there. So while I do think GW2 is going to have an effect overall can't say I get your reasoning for any of the games you mentioned. If anything it will effect games that have not launched yet more than anything.
...and wtf is up with this forum. Jesus...posting right now is rather interesting to say the least.
actually no, it was well requested but they kept saying no they had no plans to put it into LOTR. I'm not going to go down each one again mainly because this Editor issue is driving me nuts suffice it to say get off the boat that's floating down the river called Denial GW2 had much more to do with these changes then you and yours would have everyone believe, and it's not going to stop there. It's changing the market, but change is slow when it comes to stubborn devs
Bullshit
They have been planning on mounted combat for quite some time dude. Sorry to burst your bubble but it had nothing to do with GW2. The only thing was they teetered a bit on when it would be put in place probably because they were having some issues on getting it to work properly. The concept has been discussed ad nauseam for literally years at this point Lol...I'm not in denial of anything. Gonna enjoy this game and I think it is rather well done. Unlike some around here though I don;t see it as the second cmoing or associate every decision made by game companies as a reaction to GW2. Lol...can't believe you even think mounted combat is because of GW2. Can tell you don't really follow that game.
I've played LOTRO since it was just after being released as a sub only game, I know what I'm talking about but that's okay keep floating down the river. the rest of us will be watching the entire show and commenting on it from the stadium.
I have no idea how you could have been playing it since launch then and missed the whole mounted topic that has been going on forever. This has been planned for a long time. I'm also not sure what you think I'm in denial of. I already said I have the game and plan on playing it. Really sounds like the only person in denial frankly is you. It has been a planned part of the Rohan expansion for god knows how long now.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
It has been a planned part of the Rohan expansion for god knows how long now.
Would you entertain the notion that perhaps the competition has at least some concerns over the GW2 release? Perhaps the GW2 release has made adding the feature a bit more urgent? As demonstrated by a couple of other mmo's and their newly planned features for expansions and such?
A good portion of their subscriber base might start wondering what the hell they have been paying for all these years.
It has been a planned part of the Rohan expansion for god knows how long now.
Would you entertain the notion that perhaps the competition has at least some concerns over the GW2 release? Perhaps the GW2 release has made adding the feature a bit more urgent? As demonstrated by a couple of other mmo's and their newly planned features for expansions and such?
A good portion of their subscriber base might start wondering what the hell they have been paying for all these years.
Of course they do. I'm not saying that. My point is that it is silly to determine every decision a company has made is because of GW2. Especially the examples he gave. That was the reason I said the biggest and most drastic effect GW2 will probably have is on future games more than anything.
Outside of that what GW2 may due is force some payment model changes to Rift and TSW. Hard to say but I can see it playing a role in that decision. May or may not press WoW to accelerate their free trail offering too. Really hard to tell until the game goes live and we all see the entire scope of the game and how focused players will stay with it after the first three months.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
New meme "This game is just a GW2 clone" coming to a forum near you.
:P
Doesn't roll off the tongue the same though.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Beyond the obvious timing of some MMO release dates to coincide with GW2, Trion announced today that they are implementing what they call "PvP Normalization" in their next patch. Apparently, PvP Normalization is taking away the PvP specific stat benefits from gear to make it more about player skill.
I applaud ANet for forcing other developers to re-evaluate these aging MMO concepts, but you really gotta feel sorry for all the people who spent weeks / months grinding PvP just to have their stats go *poof*.
RPG has never been about PvP, but a lot more about cooperative gameplay.
I'm not saying that there can't be PvP, but it has to be well thought out and never against what makes an RPG, aka progression.
I get it, many of you love PvP... Rejoice then, there's a lot of game coming up that cater to your preferences. Just don't be confused about what type of game you like. They aren't real MMORPG imho.
RPG does not stand for progression. Yes your character does progress as you play them out. You must be talking about Dungeons and Dragons that started the basic concept of gear grind. I was busy playing Call of Cthulhu and the more you "progressed" the sooner your character ended up dead, insane, or worse.
The point of RPG gaming is not to Progress it is to live vicariously through your character.
"I am not in a server with Gankers...THEY ARE IN A SERVER WITH ME!!!"
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Because it is a forum. Happens...all the time....that's part of the fun.
Not like I take it personally.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
still don't see how it's hype when many of people have put 80+ hours into this game already... In SWTOR most the talk was from dev videos and very limited play time.... Huge differenceI angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
I don't know about you, but in the 3 BWE My focus for GW2 is PVP like you said, but damn those PVE DE really takes up my time, every time I said I will go into the Mist, something happens, I see an event nearby and another couple hours goes bye bye.
Then I saw an waypoint, go there and another event nearby happens, another couple hours and I am too tired to go into the mist. Thats how I spent my time in GW2, I didn't even get to experience my personal Stories that much, nor touch the PVP.
Sure everyone will experience it differently because I didn't expect the PVE to suck me in like it did in the BWE. But just from that experience, I know that this game will entertain me for a long time.
( When SWTOR first came out, when there was no PVP gear, and the only differences in power was level, and the game balances your health, those was the best PVP ever. Every single player from level 10 ~ 49, was commenting on how fun those PVP sessions were and that the only thing missing was the skills that was still locked for the lower levels) For many , hours and hours of PVP was fun, exciting, and tactical, compare that to the level 50 pvp , you hear alot more complaints and QQing than praises.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
Its not the GW2 community that you have to worry about, its the people who have never read a single sticky thread about GW2 and those that just keep creating the same thread over and over that you need to worry about.
How many Cash Shop thread are created everyday, how many trinity thread do you see, and how many DE thread are out there? all these questions are answered by many, but it just gets tideous trying to explain the same exact thing over and over.
Many that defends GW2 defend it because like myself, have clocked over 48 hours in the game. And I applaud ANET for allowing BWE to exist, because having the players whom have played defend the game is better than what a Developer can say or do.
They felt the confidence to allow people to play their games and understand that they will be surprised with the game experience, and the truth is, they were right. Those that did play the game enjoy their game.
I would be very cautious like yourself if you haven't been in any of the BWE, because it took me 2 BWE to get used to the game, its different, they do slowly teach you the differences, but its still difficult to change when you have played other games for so long.
Taugrim is a great Blogger that you should do a Youtube search on, Totalbiscuit is also a great person to watch playing GW2, they give very good reviews. But in the end its up to you to experience it yourself to know if you will like it.
I stopped watching reviews because my own experience told me its the game for me, but now I am just watching how to improve my skills. And that is different than other MMO where gear is all that matters.
Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
Anyone with a functioning brain, when the word "potential" is the most common used to describe a game then its just a train wreck waiting to happen. It doesn't matter anyway, I didn't come here to argue about dolls houses and miniature farmville
Why would anyone need to worry about them? If they're wrong other posters simply inform them as to why. I don't see how they're any more of a problem than those on the other side glamorizing everything. Not like many take them seriously anyways besides those that get overly defensive about the whole matter. It isn't like they're going to affect anything.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Why would anyone need to worry about them? If they're wrong other posters simply inform them as to why. I don't see how they're any more of a problem than those on the other side glamorizing everything. Not like many take them seriously anyways besides those that get overly defensive about the whole matter. It isn't like they're going to affect anything.
thats fine, I won't even defend my own post, I will just say that I know I will play, I already paid for it, I know I will enjoy it. IF you can't make up your own mind, Its up to you, and the information for everything about GW2 is available in the front of the Guild Wars 2 forum page. Good luck hope to see you in game.Life is a Maze, so make sure you bring your GPS incase you get lost in it.
Anyone with a functioning brain, when the word "potential" is the most common used to describe a game then its just a train wreck waiting to happen. It doesn't matter anyway, I didn't come here to argue about dolls houses and miniature farmville
What did this have to do with anything? Are you refering to AA? lol.Talk about someone hateing a game.
Edit: Look at some of the tage words used to describe GW2. WOW killer, Innovative and so on. Do i need to tell you what happens to most games that have those words as there definers?
Glass house meet stone.
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Mount combat has been planned for eons in LotR. Had nothing to do with GW2.The Rift change is a nice welcomed change but frankly I doubt it also had anything to do with GW2. People have been bitching about their PvP system since the game launched and they have been making changes all along to the system. SWTOR going f2p has to do with the subs and overall the game itself. As you well know from your time over on those forums so not sure why you're even going there. As for WoW, they revamp their game to try and improve on things when they see things work in other games since they've launched. Part of the reason they have such a huge userbase. Nothing new there. So while I do think GW2 is going to have an effect overall can't say I get your reasoning for any of the games you mentioned. If anything it will effect games that have not launched yet more than anything.
...and wtf is up with this forum. Jesus...posting right now is rather interesting to say the least.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Anyone with a functioning brain, when the word "potential" is the most common used to describe a game then its just a train wreck waiting to happen. It doesn't matter anyway, I didn't come here to argue about dolls houses and miniature farmville
What did this have to do with anything? Are you refering to AA? lol.Talk about someone hateing a game.
Wow, you have so little to actually say you have to pretend you don't know I'm talking about AA and then attempt to call me racist. I mean I have low expectations when it comes to fanboys of games but you've managed to go even lower.It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Mount combat has been planned for eons in LotR. Had nothing to do with GW2.The Rift change is a nice welcomed change but frankly I doubt it also had anything to do with GW2. People have been bitching about their PvP system since the game launched and they have been making changes all along to the system. SWTOR going f2p has to do with the subs and overall the game itself. As you well know from your time over on those forums so not sure why you're even going there. As for WoW, they revamp their game to try and improve on things when they see things work in other games since they've launched. Part of the reason they have such a huge userbase. Nothing new there. So while I do think GW2 is going to have an effect overall can't say I get your reasoning for any of the games you mentioned. If anything it will effect games that have not launched yet more than anything.
...and wtf is up with this forum. Jesus...posting right now is rather interesting to say the least.
actually no, it was well requested but they kept saying no they had no plans to put it into LOTR. I'm not going to go down each one again mainly because this Editor issue is driving me nuts suffice it to say get off the boat that's floating down the river called Denial GW2 had much more to do with these changes then you and yours would have everyone believe, and it's not going to stop there. It's changing the market, but change is slow when it comes to stubborn devs
As for the 'impact' GW2 will have, I think people are jumping to conclusions a bit prematurely. We have no idea how the game will be doing a few months after release.
hmm let's see, devs claiming their game will kill wow, nope. devs claiming that their game will have features never before seen and found nowhere else, nope. devs claiming that their combat system is the best the market has to offer, nope. So how exactly does expressing excitement about features and a brilliant game design surpass SWTOR's hype again?
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Mount combat has been planned for eons in LotR. Had nothing to do with GW2.The Rift change is a nice welcomed change but frankly I doubt it also had anything to do with GW2. People have been bitching about their PvP system since the game launched and they have been making changes all along to the system. SWTOR going f2p has to do with the subs and overall the game itself. As you well know from your time over on those forums so not sure why you're even going there. As for WoW, they revamp their game to try and improve on things when they see things work in other games since they've launched. Part of the reason they have such a huge userbase. Nothing new there. So while I do think GW2 is going to have an effect overall can't say I get your reasoning for any of the games you mentioned. If anything it will effect games that have not launched yet more than anything.
...and wtf is up with this forum. Jesus...posting right now is rather interesting to say the least.
actually no, it was well requested but they kept saying no they had no plans to put it into LOTR. I'm not going to go down each one again mainly because this Editor issue is driving me nuts suffice it to say get off the boat that's floating down the river called Denial GW2 had much more to do with these changes then you and yours would have everyone believe, and it's not going to stop there. It's changing the market, but change is slow when it comes to stubborn devs
BullshitThey have been planning on mounted combat for quite some time dude. Sorry to burst your bubble but it had nothing to do with GW2. The only thing was they teetered a bit on when it would be put in place probably because they were having some issues on getting it to work properly. The concept has been discussed ad nauseam for literally years at this point. Lol...I'm not in denial of anything. Gonna enjoy this game and I think it is rather well done. Unlike some around here though I don't see it as the second coming or associate every decision made by game companies as a reaction to GW2. Lol...can't believe you even think mounted combat is because of GW2. Can tell you don't really follow that game.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Mount combat has been planned for eons in LotR. Had nothing to do with GW2.The Rift change is a nice welcomed change but frankly I doubt it also had anything to do with GW2. People have been bitching about their PvP system since the game launched and they have been making changes all along to the system. SWTOR going f2p has to do with the subs and overall the game itself. As you well know from your time over on those forums so not sure why you're even going there. As for WoW, they revamp their game to try and improve on things when they see things work in other games since they've launched. Part of the reason they have such a huge userbase. Nothing new there. So while I do think GW2 is going to have an effect overall can't say I get your reasoning for any of the games you mentioned. If anything it will effect games that have not launched yet more than anything.
...and wtf is up with this forum. Jesus...posting right now is rather interesting to say the least.
actually no, it was well requested but they kept saying no they had no plans to put it into LOTR. I'm not going to go down each one again mainly because this Editor issue is driving me nuts suffice it to say get off the boat that's floating down the river called Denial GW2 had much more to do with these changes then you and yours would have everyone believe, and it's not going to stop there. It's changing the market, but change is slow when it comes to stubborn devs
BullshitThey have been planning on mounted combat for quite some time dude. Sorry to burst your bubble but it had nothing to do with GW2. The only thing was they teetered a bit on when it would be put in place probably because they were having some issues on getting it to work properly. The concept has been discussed ad nauseam for literally years at this point Lol...I'm not in denial of anything. Gonna enjoy this game and I think it is rather well done. Unlike some around here though I don;t see it as the second cmoing or associate every decision made by game companies as a reaction to GW2. Lol...can't believe you even think mounted combat is because of GW2. Can tell you don't really follow that game.
I've played LOTRO since it was just after being released as a sub only game, I know what I'm talking about but that's okay keep floating down the river. the rest of us will be watching the entire show and commenting on it from the stadium. You see, like WoW's sudden input of transmog after losing 2 mil subs all at once, LOTRO decided to finally put this much requested design into their expansion because they knew they had to compete to keep their fans, simple business model logic really, just because they talked about it alot, one cannot deny the timing, well, one can, but one wouldn't be correct.
It's having a much bigger impact then you claim. When the BW1 happened people started to post on their game forums both complaints about the games they paid a sub to and demands for better gaming experience. Just think what might happen after launch day since most people tend to want to keep a sub and play GW2 at the same time.
Let's see. Rift is trying to completely redesign their experience, not just pvp. LOTRO is trying to improve combat by finally adding mounted combat, WoW is trying to revamp their quest queing system to include group quests, SWTOR is going F2P but you don't think that the release of GW2 has anything to do with that hmmm? Yeah the Betas of a game that was designed to solve every players issue with any themepark mmo in the past didn't do anything to the market huh?
That's their secret, change the industry through the demands of the players particularly at a time in our history where money is not very easy to come by.
Mount combat has been planned for eons in LotR. Had nothing to do with GW2.The Rift change is a nice welcomed change but frankly I doubt it also had anything to do with GW2. People have been bitching about their PvP system since the game launched and they have been making changes all along to the system. SWTOR going f2p has to do with the subs and overall the game itself. As you well know from your time over on those forums so not sure why you're even going there. As for WoW, they revamp their game to try and improve on things when they see things work in other games since they've launched. Part of the reason they have such a huge userbase. Nothing new there. So while I do think GW2 is going to have an effect overall can't say I get your reasoning for any of the games you mentioned. If anything it will effect games that have not launched yet more than anything.
...and wtf is up with this forum. Jesus...posting right now is rather interesting to say the least.
actually no, it was well requested but they kept saying no they had no plans to put it into LOTR. I'm not going to go down each one again mainly because this Editor issue is driving me nuts suffice it to say get off the boat that's floating down the river called Denial GW2 had much more to do with these changes then you and yours would have everyone believe, and it's not going to stop there. It's changing the market, but change is slow when it comes to stubborn devs
BullshitThey have been planning on mounted combat for quite some time dude. Sorry to burst your bubble but it had nothing to do with GW2. The only thing was they teetered a bit on when it would be put in place probably because they were having some issues on getting it to work properly. The concept has been discussed ad nauseam for literally years at this point Lol...I'm not in denial of anything. Gonna enjoy this game and I think it is rather well done. Unlike some around here though I don;t see it as the second cmoing or associate every decision made by game companies as a reaction to GW2. Lol...can't believe you even think mounted combat is because of GW2. Can tell you don't really follow that game.
I've played LOTRO since it was just after being released as a sub only game, I know what I'm talking about but that's okay keep floating down the river. the rest of us will be watching the entire show and commenting on it from the stadium.
I have no idea how you could have been playing it since launch then and missed the whole mounted topic that has been going on forever. This has been planned for a long time. I'm also not sure what you think I'm in denial of. I already said I have the game and plan on playing it. Really sounds like the only person in denial frankly is you. It has been a planned part of the Rohan expansion for god knows how long now.1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Would you entertain the notion that perhaps the competition has at least some concerns over the GW2 release? Perhaps the GW2 release has made adding the feature a bit more urgent? As demonstrated by a couple of other mmo's and their newly planned features for expansions and such?A good portion of their subscriber base might start wondering what the hell they have been paying for all these years.
Would you entertain the notion that perhaps the competition has at least some concerns over the GW2 release? Perhaps the GW2 release has made adding the feature a bit more urgent? As demonstrated by a couple of other mmo's and their newly planned features for expansions and such?A good portion of their subscriber base might start wondering what the hell they have been paying for all these years.
Of course they do. I'm not saying that. My point is that it is silly to determine every decision a company has made is because of GW2. Especially the examples he gave. That was the reason I said the biggest and most drastic effect GW2 will probably have is on future games more than anything.Outside of that what GW2 may due is force some payment model changes to Rift and TSW. Hard to say but I can see it playing a role in that decision. May or may not press WoW to accelerate their free trail offering too. Really hard to tell until the game goes live and we all see the entire scope of the game and how focused players will stay with it after the first three months.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Please...no..
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
New meme "This game is just a GW2 clone" coming to a forum near you.
:P
Doesn't roll off the tongue the same though.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Yeah. No.
I mean, at least GW2 has a few nice features to clone.
WoW had none.
But still, clones are bad.
RPG does not stand for progression. Yes your character does progress as you play them out. You must be talking about Dungeons and Dragons that started the basic concept of gear grind. I was busy playing Call of Cthulhu and the more you "progressed" the sooner your character ended up dead, insane, or worse.
The point of RPG gaming is not to Progress it is to live vicariously through your character.
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