Well, at least the commuted a permaban in a 72 hours ban.
Taking advantage of an exploit is a not fair behavior, i think this is not questionable.
But there is a huge BUT in this matter: i real life, if you buy anything in any kind of shop, the ticket has a legal value, and it is the grant of the transaction which states what you buy for which price. In real life, if anything alike would have happened, there would have been no legal action possibly taken towards people buying something a company is selling for the price the company has stated (it doesn't matter if underpriced or overpriced items).
So, dear Arenanet, less buthurt and more smart devds please, as you can ban whoever you want (even thou it is a bit too much to have discretional bans: that "arenanet reserves to ban" it makes it all way too discrectionary... Just make a nice list of "crime" ON A WORKING OFFICIAL FORUM, thanks) as long as it's about in game items, but what are you gonna do if the mistake is in your online shop? are you gonna ban ppl who buy items underpriced with real life money because of your own mistakes?
It's bad business to throw out permanent bans on first-time offenders, and it's especially bad business to do it right at launch, when word of mouth could discourage some people from buying the game for fear of spending $60 on a drink coaster after getting slapped with a ban by an overreactive customer service department.
The perma-banned players bought 1,000's of these things.. i'd hardly call banning them over-reactive.
As for bad busines, I see a lot of players very happy with this decision. I for one support ANet's stance. Sounds like good business to me... games like Aion lost a lot of people because they didn't deal harshly with botters and gold sellers. You have your priorities mixed up.
Another great decision done to avoid this game, despite the massive hype. What a company does when it has its own problems? Bans its customers, rather than fix its issues. There are ways and means you can properly fix an exploit without anyone being harmed cuz of it, like doing a rollback to those accounts or removing the profits earned.
On top of that permaban without prior violations on your account remainds me of the old SOE days with SWG Pre-CU. But we all know how that ended, and they begged getting as many subs back in the game with the collapse after NGE.
As far as I'm concerned they are cleaning up the community. They'll actually retain players because of this.
All they've done is chosen which group they want to keep.
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I might actually have to pick this up now. I've never understood the point of cheating in a VIDEO GAME seems so shallow... Glad one developer is taking it seriously.
Another great decision done to avoid this game, despite the massive hype. What a company does when it has its own problems? Bans its customers, rather than fix its issues. So you are an exploiter also? defending the cheaters. The ban hammer is waiting for you LOL.There are ways and means you can properly fix an exploit without anyone being harmed cuz of it, like doing a rollback to those accounts or removing the profits earned. There are ways to report bugs, exploits, cheats, and any other problems that players can take advantage of. Dont exploit, report them so they are fixed and nobody will be harmed.
On top of that permaban without prior violations on your account remainds me of the old SOE days with SWG Pre-CU. But we all know how that ended, and they begged getting as many subs back in the game with the collapse after NGE. Permaban without prior violations? what they did is enough to feel the blast of the hammer. "you can't touch that", report it instead. Serious gamers play games from serious companies.
I'm having the time of my life reading their reddit thread about names and chat bans. Absolutely ridiculous how many f.... morons are running around there.
I'm having the time of my life reading their reddit thread about names and chat bans. Absolutely ridiculous how many f.... morons are running around there.
And again i have to say, Arenanet you are absolutely right and deserve my deepest respect for this policy. Keep it up.
They chose Reddit as their main forums for the time being. They knew what kind of person used that forums. So they are more to blame then anyone else for what goes on there.
The real reason why A.Net is so active with the bannings is to avoid any economical exploits that would mess up the gold-gem trade.
This said it's nice to see a developer paying attention.
It shows they didn't have the insight to incorporate effective data collection and roll-back capability. Instead they make sweeping bans. This is a sign of poor design and an effort to cover their own mistakes by denying consumers their $60 product.
If this is the case they should admit it and freely refund said banned consumers' investment.
link or it didnt happen (the lack of data collection and rollback capability). Thats just your false assumption.
This morning there was a widely-publicized, newly-introduced exploit in which specific cultural weapons were selling for one-thousandth of their normal price. We fixed it with an emergency build this morning. We want to thank the vast majority of players who became aware of the issue, responsibly reported it, and did not exploit it. However, a smaller group of players did significantly exploit it, each purchasing hundreds or thousands of these weapons. We permanently banned 3,000 accounts of players who substantially exploited it, and applied 72-hours bans to another 1,000 accounts of players who mildly exploited it.
Well done, hope you will keep up the high standards.
Im really liking ANets hardline stance on things like cheaters/exploiters, offensive names, offensive chat etc. A refreshing change to see a company actually sticking to their TOS and enforcing it.
Its not like the people that got permabanned thought WOW thats cheap and bought one for themselves, then had a bit of a laugh to themselves because they know they got it cheaper than it should be. The people that got permabanned though WOW thats cheap. Im going to go farm loads of karma, use all of it, and exploit the crap outa this by buying thousands of them, then sell them on the trade post and make loads of gold/gems. People lilke that deserve to be banned.
If im honest, if I had seen this I would have got one for myself, then reported it. I mean, you cant pass something like that up. It may have got me a temp ban, I dunno, but I wasnt maliciously exploiting it - the people that got permabanned just saw it as a way to cheat. Cheating gets you banned. Good job ANet.
Also loving ANets response to all the "I didnt do anything and ANet banned me" whiney threads. If you really didnt do anything post your name there and ANet will double check it... and they really do double check them...If you post your name there and did said something offensive then ANet are going to out you in all your racist, bigotted, homophibic ways. Love it. Good job Anet.
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I don't have GW2 yet, but i can bet there's a line in the End-user License Agreement that looks like "You agree to not use any exploit in game that would give you unexpected advantage. If you don't, ArenaNet reserved the right to ban you". Every MMORPG has this kind of stuff.
So to use the "ipod at $1" example, it would be like, each time you enter a supermarket, you sign a paper with "i agree to warn the manager if i suspect a price to be ridiculy wrong".
Less cheater, more honest people. I'm 100% for that !
Originally posted by QSatu I'm starting to get more respect for ANet. Sorry but exploiting deserves a ban. Sorry that there is finally a company which isn't afraid to take action.
Yes, And the game's revenue model actually helps A-Net maintain a strict policy. Since they don't have to worry about losing any monthly fees.
Not a GW2 fan (only reason I'm reading/commenting is because it was in top 5 newest comments section), but well done, ANet. I hope other devs start taking hardline stances against cheaters.
I don't have GW2 yet, but i can bet there's a line in the End-user License Agreement that looks like "You agree to not use any exploit in game that would give you unexpected advantage. If you don't, ArenaNet reserved the right to ban you". Every MMORPG has this kind of stuff.
So to use the "ipod at $1" example, it would be like, each time you enter a supermarket, you sign a paper with "i agree to warn the manager if i suspect a price to be ridiculy wrong".
Less cheater, more honest people. I'm 100% for that !
You missed the other half of the analogy. You sign the paper saying "I agree to warn the manager if I suspect a price to be wrong." you dont warn the manager however, the manager finds out and you are sentenced to death. You never commited any crime before but you got sentenced to death anyway.
I imagine the world would be a much better place if we just sentenced everyone to death if they commited any crime without any consideration on the severity of the punishment but it would also be pretty grim.
There is no question they can terminate your license at any point, hell they can just ban you cause the coffee had 2 sugars instead of 3. No question about that, is it reasonable? I dont know, people are getting 72h bans for using the N word in a racist manner, so I think their priorities are messed up, those are the people that should be permanently banned.
Again , glad to see here and on Reddit/twitter/misc gaming forums , there are FAR more people applauding Arena Net for bannign exploiters just as there were far more supporting them for banning vulgar/racist names and the chat trolls.
The cheating defense force apparently is wrong in their assertion that it is bad bussines for AN to do this.
Shockingly , it seems the majority of players don't want to play with foul mouthed chat trolls who spam 8th grade lockerroom chat constantly nor play with folks who abuse a bug THOUSANDS of times each in some cases in a single night.
Looks like GW2 may actually be known for having a decent community.
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Well, at least the commuted a permaban in a 72 hours ban.
Taking advantage of an exploit is a not fair behavior, i think this is not questionable.
But there is a huge BUT in this matter: i real life, if you buy anything in any kind of shop, the ticket has a legal value, and it is the grant of the transaction which states what you buy for which price. In real life, if anything alike would have happened, there would have been no legal action possibly taken towards people buying something a company is selling for the price the company has stated (it doesn't matter if underpriced or overpriced items).
So, dear Arenanet, less buthurt and more smart devds please, as you can ban whoever you want (even thou it is a bit too much to have discretional bans: that "arenanet reserves to ban" it makes it all way too discrectionary... Just make a nice list of "crime" ON A WORKING OFFICIAL FORUM, thanks) as long as it's about in game items, but what are you gonna do if the mistake is in your online shop? are you gonna ban ppl who buy items underpriced with real life money because of your own mistakes?
Let's get serious please...
The perma-banned players bought 1,000's of these things.. i'd hardly call banning them over-reactive.
As for bad busines, I see a lot of players very happy with this decision. I for one support ANet's stance. Sounds like good business to me... games like Aion lost a lot of people because they didn't deal harshly with botters and gold sellers. You have your priorities mixed up.
As far as I'm concerned they are cleaning up the community. They'll actually retain players because of this.
All they've done is chosen which group they want to keep.
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I'm having the time of my life reading their reddit thread about names and chat bans. Absolutely ridiculous how many f.... morons are running around there.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/yxx3m/suspensions_for_offensive_names_and_inappropriate/?limit=500
And again i have to say, Arenanet you are absolutely right and deserve my deepest respect for this policy. Keep it up.
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They chose Reddit as their main forums for the time being. They knew what kind of person used that forums. So they are more to blame then anyone else for what goes on there.
link or it didnt happen (the lack of data collection and rollback capability). Thats just your false assumption.
Well done, hope you will keep up the high standards.
Good Job ANet *applauds*
Im really liking ANets hardline stance on things like cheaters/exploiters, offensive names, offensive chat etc. A refreshing change to see a company actually sticking to their TOS and enforcing it.
Its not like the people that got permabanned thought WOW thats cheap and bought one for themselves, then had a bit of a laugh to themselves because they know they got it cheaper than it should be. The people that got permabanned though WOW thats cheap. Im going to go farm loads of karma, use all of it, and exploit the crap outa this by buying thousands of them, then sell them on the trade post and make loads of gold/gems. People lilke that deserve to be banned.
If im honest, if I had seen this I would have got one for myself, then reported it. I mean, you cant pass something like that up. It may have got me a temp ban, I dunno, but I wasnt maliciously exploiting it - the people that got permabanned just saw it as a way to cheat. Cheating gets you banned. Good job ANet.
Also loving ANets response to all the "I didnt do anything and ANet banned me" whiney threads. If you really didnt do anything post your name there and ANet will double check it... and they really do double check them...If you post your name there and did said something offensive then ANet are going to out you in all your racist, bigotted, homophibic ways. Love it. Good job Anet.
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Anyone who got a ban deserved it.
Obvious exploits are obvious.
Bravo/golf clap to Anet for really using their teeth on these kinds of things.
Absolutely. Should be a beacon for other developers how to deal with that sort of filth.
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I don't have GW2 yet, but i can bet there's a line in the End-user License Agreement that looks like "You agree to not use any exploit in game that would give you unexpected advantage. If you don't, ArenaNet reserved the right to ban you". Every MMORPG has this kind of stuff.
So to use the "ipod at $1" example, it would be like, each time you enter a supermarket, you sign a paper with "i agree to warn the manager if i suspect a price to be ridiculy wrong".
Less cheater, more honest people. I'm 100% for that !
Yes, And the game's revenue model actually helps A-Net maintain a strict policy. Since they don't have to worry about losing any monthly fees.
You missed the other half of the analogy. You sign the paper saying "I agree to warn the manager if I suspect a price to be wrong." you dont warn the manager however, the manager finds out and you are sentenced to death. You never commited any crime before but you got sentenced to death anyway.
I imagine the world would be a much better place if we just sentenced everyone to death if they commited any crime without any consideration on the severity of the punishment but it would also be pretty grim.
There is no question they can terminate your license at any point, hell they can just ban you cause the coffee had 2 sugars instead of 3. No question about that, is it reasonable? I dont know, people are getting 72h bans for using the N word in a racist manner, so I think their priorities are messed up, those are the people that should be permanently banned.
I had not planned on buying Guild Wars 2. However since Anet has shown that will not tolerate cheaters I think I will buy it now.
Good Job Anet.
Again , glad to see here and on Reddit/twitter/misc gaming forums , there are FAR more people applauding Arena Net for bannign exploiters just as there were far more supporting them for banning vulgar/racist names and the chat trolls.
The cheating defense force apparently is wrong in their assertion that it is bad bussines for AN to do this.
Shockingly , it seems the majority of players don't want to play with foul mouthed chat trolls who spam 8th grade lockerroom chat constantly nor play with folks who abuse a bug THOUSANDS of times each in some cases in a single night.
Looks like GW2 may actually be known for having a decent community.
Props to Arena Net again.
Didn't they suspend sales or somelthing like that wile they work through these initial growing pains?
They suspended sales directly from them. You can still get a copy from other retailers such as Amazon or Best Buy.
Can still get it from resellers , just not directly from AN atm.