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[Column] Elder Scrolls Online: Settling into Month Three

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  • OlgarkOlgark Member UncommonPosts: 342

    In a trading guild with 500 members and all active and a trading guild of 250 members. Also our small group of RP'ers are active still.

     

    I am having a blast in playing the game and have lost all interest in Wildstar and its release. Elder Scrolls Online is a mmo I can sit down and enjoy and with the RP the guild I am in does it never feels like a grind.

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  • lunatiquezlunatiquez Member UncommonPosts: 381
    People won't accept 'Asian grinder' games, but they happily grind on 'Western non grinder game' :p
  • daltaniousdaltanious Member UncommonPosts: 2,381

    I never wish doom to any game, there are always players that enjoy. And wanted to try TESO but when have discovered wasd is enforced, did not even bother to try, that is for me top condition to play any game. I love games where i can move avatar with mouse and using left hand on top numbers for spells. Period.

    About TESO so I can not speak from 1st hand .. but ... son of a friend have group of 10 friends that purchased TESO. Even before free time expired, 8 of them resold their copy, 1 was happy and still playing as I know (info is few weeks old), last one sold it to his brother.

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by daltanious

    I never wish doom to any game, there are always players that enjoy. And wanted to try TESO but when have discovered wasd is enforced, did not even bother to try, that is for me top condition to play any game. I love games where i can move avatar with mouse and using left hand on top numbers for spells. Period.

    About TESO so I can not speak from 1st hand .. but ... son of a friend have group of 10 friends that purchased TESO. Even before free time expired, 8 of them resold their copy, 1 was happy and still playing as I know (info is few weeks old), last one sold it to his brother.

    Originally posted by daltanious

    Like would be a bad thing. When I read "accusation" some game is Wow clone I'm already interested in, it must be good if it is Wow clone or have something from Wow.

    Btw, for decades, all my cars have been "clones" of previous cars. :-)

     

    You are a WoW fan. ESO certainly would not be for you. It's different from the art style, to the skill system, right down to the controls.

  • ojustabooojustaboo Member UncommonPosts: 65
    My guild, same as a friends guild, who are established guilds having played a few other mmos over the years are all loving ESO. Only last week we convinced two guild mates who havent tried it yet to buy it.

    We range from slow levelers to vet 12 players and we are all having the best fun we've had in years.

    The bugs compared to release are not (usually) gamebreaking, often we find them amusing.

    Many of the things some people have rage quit are things that we think have made the game much better, such as the vamp nerf. PvP became unfun for a very short period when people abused the vamp, as soon as it was nerfed it became fun again for the majority.

    I PvE about 4 nights and PvP the other 3.

    PvP I'm on Bloodthorn in EU, I was never a fan ov PvP in most other games, I love it in ESO.

    I see a good amount of people wherever I go, whether low level alts or my main which I've judg got to vet 1 with.

    On launch just like any other mmo, all players were under each others feet. Now in public dungeons I am never alone, at the same time there arent 100s of others making it zero challenge.

    Sure things need working on, sure tberes a bot problem, but things are getting better every day,

    My main, the first 3 islands, bugs galore, public dungeons so many bots on bosses you were lucky to get a hit.

    One of my alts, same 3 islands, not one serious bug, not one bot on dungeon bosses, like playing a completely different game.

    My main has just reached v1. After the first 3 islands, there so far hasnt bedn any further bot problems (on bosses) and I have completed all quests (have a few left in cold harbour) and one serious bug which I saw in the recent patch notes has besn fixed.

    As of last Friday my /played averaged me playing for 4 hrs 45 mins every day for the 62 days since release.

    No one in my guild is constantly moaning about the game, no one ever talks about quitting. It's not a huge guild, around 55 members, few of them read the official forums, I think I'm the only one that posts in the official forum, everyone else are too busy having fun.

    Quite simply many people had preconceptions of what the game was going to be like and for many, it simply isn't for them.

    I've played various mmos over the years, playing both EQ2 and Lotro for many years each. I can easily see ESO being the next long term game.

    I get a lot of people didn't enjoy the game for whatever reason, I just hope those people soon move onto something they enjoy rather than constantly run down what I think is the best mmo for years, especially when most posters doing this aren't even playing anymore.

    I could understand if you have invested a year or more of your time (and money depending on mmo) ina game you have fallen in love with, and the devs change the direction of the game meaning it's no longer fun for you, then I think it's perfectly valid for you to stick around on the gaming forum if you stop playing.

    What I don't get are the players sticking around the official forum (or posting in ESO parts of other forums) that have unsubbed, constantly slagging the game off, constantly saying it should close now etc etc, hijacking every other thread on the official forums etc, when the game has only been out for 2 months. Sure it's your choice, but for me, when I've played an mmo and didnt like it after my first month, I simply moved on (or back) to one I did like.

    Still, each to their own.
  • ScotScot Member LegendaryPosts: 24,439

    "I'm still enjoying the game though I've had less time to play recently due to a few outside matters."

    When you turn MMOs into games for casual content locusts, it is hard not to become one yourself.

  • KabonKabon Member UncommonPosts: 78

    Modern Mmorpg are all designed for a tiny bit of grouping and a big arse load of solo content its all casual crap these days all the damn quests are just like playing on rails.

    There is no individualism anymore everyone grinds the quest hubs gets the same rewards and solos to lvl up the gear drops like candy and doesnt mean shit anymore you lvl to max in 2 days gold spammers and botters make theyre cash.

    Grouping means nothing its a hindrance in all modern mmops ppls hate to group cause its never worth it .

    Im kinda done with mmoprgs they make such crap with 200 or 300 millions just to rake in some cash a motivated designer team that likes to make a good coop game could create a 10000000x better game with that much Money.

    GIVE ME A COOP GROUP no fucking solo quest grind MMO copy ddo copy EQ copy UO and mix them togheter but dont copy any other Mmos out there it just would make the game worse

    Todays Mmos are nothing more then Solo Games and i hate Solo Games.

    For Gods sake please make a Mmo where u have to Rely on other ppls more.

    Payday 2 is the best MMo atm just that it isnt one.

  • CalvenCalven Member Posts: 151
    Funny how this site praised this game as the second coming of gaming jesus just three months ago..
  • cefirocefiro Member UncommonPosts: 18

     ^^^^

    What she said. The Lead Devs have made some terrible decisions..

    I think the game would do well with a re-launch or  a big rework.

    The engine makes combat feel solid and visceral - its feels fun, the idea of GCD hidden behind animations is a great idea.

    Add in the crafting/inventory systems from GW2. The inventory is such a poor design given the amounts of fodder you get

    Global AH - you gain so much inventory fodder you need a quick n ezy avenue to move it

    The gw2 style option to respec on the fly - its ridiculous to try out different specs, pvp specs, levelling specs and dungeons specs atm. 

    Add in more dynamic events to break the monotonous leveling grind, the rifts need a rework

    Class spec templates would be a help ala Rift - as its too easy to mess your character up when you start

     

  • xpiherxpiher Member UncommonPosts: 3,310
    Originally posted by raapnaap

    This game needs a wipe + relaunch alongside serious content additions and changes, and the removal of VR as a mandatory "bonus leveling grind" which in reality acts as a level 62 cap rather than stopping at 50.

    Forcing players to run every single enemy faction zone to effectively reach end-game/PvP viable status was a deal breaker for my entire clan. A large factor in this was the extreme boredom in this game's PvE zones, it's nothing but kill 10 rats and talk to bob quests, 16 zones full of it.

    This. And the stories weren't varried enough either. After saving a ghost, or not, for the 100th time I got completely bored of the quest dialouge and then the grind really sank in. 

    Wasted my money on buying it as I thought I would at least get through the fire 50 levels before quitting. Oh well, the physical CE is a nice mantel piece.

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  • ChannceChannce Member CommonPosts: 570

    I have noticed that the game is getting even better now that the haters are not paying to complain and doing it here.

    When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.

  • muthaxmuthax Member UncommonPosts: 703
    Originally posted by Channce

    I have noticed that the game is getting even better now that the haters are not paying to complain and doing it here.

    Yeah I laugh when I see all these nerds foaming at the mouth and claiming the game is dying

    Kids, it's ok. The game isn't for you and I am glad of it, you wanna look pathetic with obsessive rage posts? Post away

    I seen the same crap for FFXIV and guess what? eh eh. By the way, my guilds are growing (capped one couple of days ago, Dominion Traders  on NA), I see new people asking questions, I see people everywhere (probably enough to keep the game running) and yesterday even Cyrodiil's campaigns were full

    yep, dying rofl

  • HaldursonHaldurson Member UncommonPosts: 31
    Originally posted by raapnaap

    This game needs a wipe + relaunch alongside serious content additions and changes, and the removal of VR as a mandatory "bonus leveling grind" which in reality acts as a level 62 cap rather than stopping at 50.

    Forcing players to run every single enemy faction zone to effectively reach end-game/PvP viable status was a deal breaker for my entire clan. A large factor in this was the extreme boredom in this game's PvE zones, it's nothing but kill 10 rats and talk to bob quests, 16 zones full of it.

    First of all, your idea for a wipe + relaunch is just crazy (unless you are being sarcastic).  They've managed to become a topic of derision for those who don't play the game, and what you are suggesting would only serve to anger everyone else.

    As far as the PVE zones, what the hell are you even talking about?  This is one of the few games where the quests are varied and don't generally involve killing X rats.  One quest, I'm sneaking around following some guy trying not to be spotted, another I'm tracking a rare tiger, and so on.  There certainly could be more variety.  Plus whenever a quest actually does require you to  kill something, there's usually a good reason, and it's not because there's a kill quota (which is the really silly thing that almost  EVERY OTHER MMO does (but ESO does not do).  Most of the time if I'm killing something, it's because that something is in my way of my true goal.

    Granted, I have not on any of my characters reached a VR level -- most people who are playing now have not, in fact done so.  Content has ALWAYS been an issue in new MMOs shortly after launched for those who rush to the end-game.   If you are running out of things to do after just over a month or two, then you probably want to take a break, do something else, and come back in six months or so.

  • muthaxmuthax Member UncommonPosts: 703
    Originally posted by Haldurson
    Originally posted by raapnaap

    This game needs a wipe + relaunch alongside serious content additions and changes, and the removal of VR as a mandatory "bonus leveling grind" which in reality acts as a level 62 cap rather than stopping at 50.

    Forcing players to run every single enemy faction zone to effectively reach end-game/PvP viable status was a deal breaker for my entire clan. A large factor in this was the extreme boredom in this game's PvE zones, it's nothing but kill 10 rats and talk to bob quests, 16 zones full of it.

    First of all, your idea for a wipe + relaunch is just crazy (unless you are being sarcastic).  They've managed to become a topic of derision for those who don't play the game, and what you are suggesting would only serve to anger everyone else.

    As far as the PVE zones, what the hell are you even talking about?  This is one of the few games where the quests are varied and don't generally involve killing X rats.  One quest, I'm sneaking around following some guy trying not to be spotted, another I'm tracking a rare tiger, and so on.  There certainly could be more variety.  Plus whenever a quest actually does require you to  kill something, there's usually a good reason, and it's not because there's a kill quota (which is the really silly thing that almost  EVERY OTHER MMO does (but ESO does not do).  Most of the time if I'm killing something, it's because that something is in my way of my true goal.

    Granted, I have not on any of my characters reached a VR level -- most people who are playing now have not, in fact done so.  Content has ALWAYS been an issue in new MMOs shortly after launched for those who rush to the end-game.   If you are running out of things to do after just over a month or two, then you probably want to take a break, do something else, and come back in six months or so.

    Most TESO haters never played the game, you can tell by the amount of made up bull they write

  • k61977k61977 Member EpicPosts: 1,526

    My biggest problem with the game is the lack of people in the PVP zone.  They launched with way to many campaigns.  I have completed all the content up to the new group content.  And I mean ever quest in the game up to the newer zone.  I am VR 11.  The other day I went into the pvp zone for a couple of hours during peak time and didn't run across a single person.  I have been in a few keep sieges here and there but nothing really epic.  Maybe if they scaled back to 2 or 3 campaigns this would help.  I mean to have a zone that big and not run across another player for 4+ hours is boring.  I have stopped playing for a little while to wait and see if it picks up later.  If it does I will go back.

    Overall I like the game and hope it does well, but bored now that the only thing left to do is try and find groups to do quest in new zone.

  • ArakaziArakazi Member UncommonPosts: 911
    Originally posted by Channce

    I have noticed that the game is getting even better now that the haters are not paying to complain and doing it here.

    North Korea is a better country now that dissenters have been executed.

  • AbardomasAbardomas Member Posts: 159
    The game's long-term player base will be on the consoles

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  • azzamasinazzamasin Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by Tyggs

    This is what happens when everyone goes in expecting Skyrim Online, and gets a decent (but bland and uninspired) MMO with an ES skin. The fault lies with both the gamers who wanted a Mulitplayer Elder Scroll game (which would be difficult to keep the level of interaction with the world), and with the Developers who didn't deliver that.

    Yea but the issue is that for 2 years now we've been demanding they make a Skyrim Online.  If only they'd listen they wouldn't be in the precarious situation where the only outcome is F2P transition.  Looks like if this article is any indication that will happen sooner rather then later.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • AdrianorAdrianor Member UncommonPosts: 1

    It was great from 1-49 levels. Quests, enviroment, music, atmoshphere - made you not think about certain bugs etc

    But reaching lvl 50 with my templar made me understand, that ESO right now is in closed beta state at best. Play as you want, like in other Elder Scrolls games? Sure, as long as you are using staff and light armor and actually your class is sorcerer or dragonknight.

    The class and build issues are not bugs - all those problems are by design - or to be more precise - by total lack of it. Im wondering, if class and skill designers have ever played any of Elder Scrolls games before.

    So... it ended in cancelled subscription. I have never cancelled mmo so fast, i endured Age of Conan 4 months, but i could not imagine, that i will quit Elder Scrolls game after just 2 months.

    This is really sad. I hope, that they will review all those issues and redesing and fix all those things, or this game is going to Nine Hells really quick.

  • azzamasinazzamasin Member UncommonPosts: 3,105
    Originally posted by muthax
    Originally posted by Haldurson
    Originally posted by raapnaap

    This game needs a wipe + relaunch alongside serious content additions and changes, and the removal of VR as a mandatory "bonus leveling grind" which in reality acts as a level 62 cap rather than stopping at 50.

    Forcing players to run every single enemy faction zone to effectively reach end-game/PvP viable status was a deal breaker for my entire clan. A large factor in this was the extreme boredom in this game's PvE zones, it's nothing but kill 10 rats and talk to bob quests, 16 zones full of it.

    First of all, your idea for a wipe + relaunch is just crazy (unless you are being sarcastic).  They've managed to become a topic of derision for those who don't play the game, and what you are suggesting would only serve to anger everyone else.

    As far as the PVE zones, what the hell are you even talking about?  This is one of the few games where the quests are varied and don't generally involve killing X rats.  One quest, I'm sneaking around following some guy trying not to be spotted, another I'm tracking a rare tiger, and so on.  There certainly could be more variety.  Plus whenever a quest actually does require you to  kill something, there's usually a good reason, and it's not because there's a kill quota (which is the really silly thing that almost  EVERY OTHER MMO does (but ESO does not do).  Most of the time if I'm killing something, it's because that something is in my way of my true goal.

    Granted, I have not on any of my characters reached a VR level -- most people who are playing now have not, in fact done so.  Content has ALWAYS been an issue in new MMOs shortly after launched for those who rush to the end-game.   If you are running out of things to do after just over a month or two, then you probably want to take a break, do something else, and come back in six months or so.

    Most TESO haters never played the game, you can tell by the amount of made up bull they write

     

    Or they played it in Beta and knew not to spend the cash on a mediocre game.

    Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

    Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!

    Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!

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  • SEANMCADSEANMCAD Member EpicPosts: 16,775
    Is it a skill based system yet?

    Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.

    Please do not respond to me

  • OziiusOziius Member UncommonPosts: 1,406
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by Tyggs

    This is what happens when everyone goes in expecting Skyrim Online, and gets a decent (but bland and uninspired) MMO with an ES skin. The fault lies with both the gamers who wanted a Mulitplayer Elder Scroll game (which would be difficult to keep the level of interaction with the world), and with the Developers who didn't deliver that.

    Yea but the issue is that for 2 years now we've been demanding they make a Skyrim Online.  If only they'd listen they wouldn't be in the precarious situation where the only outcome is F2P transition.  Looks like if this article is any indication that will happen sooner rather then later.

    The only outcome is f2p transition? Little dramatic aren't ya? I love this. People start saying that games will go f2p  the same month they release. Then.. IF the game does eventually go f2p, even if it's years later - there they are patting themselves on the back. So, when do you think this f2p transition will take effect? Are you just going with "sooner rather then later"?

  • muthaxmuthax Member UncommonPosts: 703
    Originally posted by Havekk
    Originally posted by azzamasin
    Originally posted by Tyggs

    This is what happens when everyone goes in expecting Skyrim Online, and gets a decent (but bland and uninspired) MMO with an ES skin. The fault lies with both the gamers who wanted a Mulitplayer Elder Scroll game (which would be difficult to keep the level of interaction with the world), and with the Developers who didn't deliver that.

    Yea but the issue is that for 2 years now we've been demanding they make a Skyrim Online.  If only they'd listen they wouldn't be in the precarious situation where the only outcome is F2P transition.  Looks like if this article is any indication that will happen sooner rather then later.

    The only outcome is f2p transition? Little dramatic aren't ya? I love this. People start saying that games will go f2p  the same month they release. Then.. IF the game does eventually go f2p, even if it's years later - there they are patting themselves on the back. So, when do you think this f2p transition will take effect? Are you just going with "sooner rather then later"?

    People started with this nonsense before it even came out.....

    Now they are angry because people aren't quitting (well outside of the wowkiddies)

    I think in 6 months time they'll still here with the same bullcrap that was already false in beta imagine now.....

  • CthulhuPuffsCthulhuPuffs Member UncommonPosts: 368
    Originally posted by Abardomas
    The game's long-term player base will be on the consoles

    Honestly, I dont see the Console release happening. I think it will be cancelled.

    IF they actually do release it will be a freaking nightmare. Think about it. How many issues are they having with just the PC version? Now compound that on not 1, but 2 other platforms. How is Zenimax going to support 3 versions of a game with regular content AND bug fixes? They still cant do it on even 1 version

    Bethesda could barely do it with Skyrim (PS version still has issues and is lacking DLCs)

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  • cronius77cronius77 Member UncommonPosts: 1,652
    While the bugs are annoying and the bots my ultimate reason for wanting to smack my face into the computer is the ignorance of their current dev decisions in regards to class balance and content. The VR levels are not needed at all and the hard handed nerfs are just getting to the point of stupidity. Biting jabs nerf 1 handed bash nerf ultimate crit gain nerf etc etc. Its like they do not even play their own game sometimes.
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