Originally posted by lugal People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.
And people like you need to learn they ARE managing it. These decisions are their own. People begged for them to stall the Auroria release because hacks had not been put under control. They did not create the game and have some limitations to what they can change, the rest is ALL them.
Stop apologizing for them, seriously.
Please explain how a company that has no control of the game dev has control on what is being released and how to stop hacking?
You have zero clue what you are talking about. XL Games did not force Trion to release Auroria this soon. Halsa weapons were not even supposed to be in the game this soon, they were designed by XL to be released after about a year. The Asian/Russian releases are not near as cash shop oriented either, thank you TRION.
You don't know what you are talking about so just stop.
You still did not explain how a company(Trion) that does not have dev control of a game, that belongs to XL games, are able to do any of what you are blaming them for? Xl games created the game, the code and interfaces. I'm sure Trion wanted certain features implemented, but it is not them making the code.
I think it is you who who does not know what they talking about. You just have blind hate.
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Originally posted by Atadis Is anyone else just watching this blow up with a bowl of popcorn? The AA forums are too funny right now I can't describe the level of entertainment.
i lost my sleep last night from the massive entertainment AA forums provided
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Originally posted by Atadis Is anyone else just watching this blow up with a bowl of popcorn? The AA forums are too funny right now I can't describe the level of entertainment.
/popcorn
/munch
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Originally posted by lugal People really need to learn that Trion is not the dev for this game.
And people like you need to learn they ARE managing it. These decisions are their own. People begged for them to stall the Auroria release because hacks had not been put under control. They did not create the game and have some limitations to what they can change, the rest is ALL them.
Stop apologizing for them, seriously.
Please explain how a company that has no control of the game dev has control on what is being released and how to stop hacking?
You have zero clue what you are talking about. XL Games did not force Trion to release Auroria this soon. Halsa weapons were not even supposed to be in the game this soon, they were designed by XL to be released after about a year. The Asian/Russian releases are not near as cash shop oriented either, thank you TRION.
You don't know what you are talking about so just stop.
That's not even the answer to the question lol
I feel kinda bad for Trion too. They took over a big cluster****. Then again: should've double checked first. It's not like they just started business...
Winning a discussion is not what it's about. If you could pass insight to someone or learn something from it in return - noone can really loose, can they?
Well I just got my account banned for saying I didn't like the new GU and was thinking on taking a break for awhile. I went and ate dinner and watched some shows. I tried to log into my account after my baby momma went to bed and it said I was banned. Checked my email and I was banned for posting a goodbye message on the forums.
WHAT THE FUCK?! I had stuck up for Trion throughout this whole mess saying it was XL making shit so bad and Trion is just the messenger. But now, Trion can go fuck themselves and I'll never EVER play another one of their games again.
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I haven't played ArcheAge, but I too am popping some popcorn right about now. This is entertaining, in a sadistic way. I have been involved in games where this has happened, and I really feel for those people who wanted to enjoy AA. It's about how I felt when FFXIV came out the first time, and it was utterly horrible.
Sorry guys and gals who are trying to enjoy the game. More power to you to those of you who happen to still have your happy faces on about it.
Originally posted by bingbongbros WHAT THE FUCK?! I had stuck up for Trion throughout this whole mess saying it was XL making shit so bad and Trion is just the messenger. But now, Trion can go fuck themselves and I'll never EVER play another one of their games again.
Assuming this is true (and I have no reason to doubt bingbongbros, other than I've seem some unscrupulous people just like to throw random slander out there just to be able to twist the knife), the fact that there is enough Customer Service presence to ban people for goodbye posts, but not enough to deal with bots and the multitude of other various complaints.... speaks fairly loudly to me.
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I haven't played ArcheAge, but I too am popping some popcorn right about now. This is entertaining, in a sadistic way. I have been involved in games where this has happened, and I really feel for those people who wanted to enjoy AA. It's about how I felt when FFXIV came out the first time, and it was utterly horrible.
Sorry guys and gals who are trying to enjoy the game. More power to you to those of you who happen to still have your happy faces on about it.
Originally posted by preachmore meanwhile in the AA forums all hell broke loose.... a lot of rage, namecaling and furstration with totall luck of response from Trion
Oh there is some response from TRION, you can get banned if you rage/emotional too much on the official forums.
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I haven't played ArcheAge, but I too am popping some popcorn right about now. This is entertaining, in a sadistic way. I have been involved in games where this has happened, and I really feel for those people who wanted to enjoy AA. It's about how I felt when FFXIV came out the first time, and it was utterly horrible.
Sorry guys and gals who are trying to enjoy the game. More power to you to those of you who happen to still have your happy faces on about it.
FFXIV was at least a New game at launch and they only needed two years to completely rebuild to game into something amazing.
ArcheAge launched in other territories more than 2 years ago and is still a complete trainwreck today!
I take Square Enix any day. At least they still have ethics and a morale code. We can say a lot about the Japanese, but they at least still have that.
Originally posted by JeroKane FFXIV was at least a New game at launch and they only needed two years to completely rebuild to game into something amazing.ArcheAge launched in other territories more than 2 years ago and is still a complete trainwreck today! I take Square Enix any day. At least they still have ethics and a morale code. We can say a lot about the Japanese, but they at least still have that.
I'm playing ARR now and having a total blast - I couldn't agree more.
Coming from a 1.0 Collector's Edition Preorder, who really believed that the game was exactly what he was looking for, only to slowly come to the realization that it was utter trash about 2 weeks in.... I can really sympathize with what the AA folks are going through now.
Yeah - ARR may not be everything I had hoped 1.0 would be when I preordered back in 2010, but it's a damn fun game. So there was a silver lining to my cloud.
Sorry, I don't mean to be evangilizing for ARR - people who play AA aren't exactly the same audience. But just trying to relate a similar story that actually had a semi-happy ending. All is not lost. There is life after NGE. I'm not going to say hang in there though, because I don't believe it's worth wasting your time hanging in there for what is supposed to be entertainment. Just go find something fun, and if that still happens to be AA for you - great, and if not, live and learn.
I definitely learned not to pre-order from FFXIV. Even if it comes from a big company, even if it's a AAA release, even if it "looks" like everything you think you've always wanted. Just wait until release. And I certainly treat open betas and promotional beta keys as test drives (they really shouldn't be called betas - they really are being used by companies as promotional stunts now, and only beta in the sense that they get some stress test on their server/network architecture) - and am no longer suckered in by the "It's just Beta" excuse from what i see in those events - stuff very rarely changes from open beta to release (ok, Firefall changed, but that's an exception, it also happened to have an extremely long beta).
Originally posted by mcrippins To be honest.. I liked Trion before playing Archeage. Even though I didn't really like their games, they seemed like a decent company. I 100% hate them now, and will avoid them at all costs, and it's simply due to how they act when issues arise. It's depressing. They're like a scared kid who got caught up in the middle, and instead of doing the right thing, they just hide and hope the problems go away.
But what could TRION have possibly done besides doing a rollback with the whole debacle of yesterday's release. Server stability among other things are definitely (mostly) their fault. But honestly I think the #1 issue has been and is always going to be XL Games client and how easily it is to hack/modify it. I played during the Korean and Russian open beta events and already knew that some of these issues would be present with ours. But I honestly have never seen a so called AAA MMO have this much hackers/cheaters/botters/spammers nor the sheer variety. TRION's banning are more reactive than proactive. They will always be several steps behind these people until something is seriously done to the client.
The three or so remaining white knights will say (and have said in the past) that every game has their fair share of problems. They are 100% disingenuous with the amount and variety of hackers/cheaters/botters/spammers that is heavily affecting ArcheAge. They only respond with the following:
1. I am currently having fun right now (present tense) and it isn't affecting me (present tense).
2. My guild is currently having fun right now (present tense) and it isn't affecting them (present tense).
So I guess the day it does affect them they will just simply leave and stop white knighting the game? How fabulous. This is in part why the game failed in the other 3 regions. South Korea had a huge server merge and went F2P. Japan had a huge server merge and went F2P. Even the Japanese have documented that the RMT activities has heavily impacted the game. Russian servers are mostly ghost towns (from the last time I logged in over a month ago). Should this really come to a surprise to anyone anymore? Oh of course the rebuttal white knight canned answer is “well they released the game in 3 other regions so it must be doing well.” Of course it is.
Originally posted by BailoPan15 ah someone's bitter over virtual pixels i see.
What I see are people disappointed that yet another game is being ruined by today's gaming community. As that's what this really boils down to. Why work for anything when you can just cheat your way there...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Ideally Trion should have stayed well away from AA. Much like Codemasters in years past they jumped into bed head first with a company they should have steered well clear of.
Trion had a good reputation before this and now it's practically down the pan. I'd put money on people have been/will be fired over the partnership with XL.
honestly I am ok with most of the crap that is going on with this patch, with the exception of keeping the server up and no roll back. Land is such an important aspect of this game, and releasing major content when only a small portion has access to it like this is bad business. Yes I realize this is a double standard with all the early access people, but at least at that point you had an option, here there is nothing you can do to change it.
the missing link in a chain of destruction.
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As an early access player I agree with you - if everyone was not given a chance to get land at launch... they need to roll it back and redo everything again... it sucks for corporation outlook but in the future will be a godsend for users that will actually start to pay money for patron status... honestly its lately been less minded about patron and more about the company... maybe in Korea that business model worked based on cultural mannerisms... but in america... well that kind of mistreatment to customers just doesn't cut it. Those that paid money to play the game should have at least somewhat of a headstart... and if not SOMETHING to continue the loyalty of the game... those that are patrons even based on membership role should have had a bonus on grabbing land and worked its way down by patron level at best.... followed by a program that recognized players that flipped housing as a norm to weed out potential bots vs actual players via actual conversations with such people stating company policy ie. actual devs in the servers... its a hard job... but so is life and is really the only way mmorpg's will in the future work as we peeps treat games like this like our true second like and so should the companies backing them
I am just waiting for some one to change the XL logo, or Trion with a catchy saying like Failcom. Internet make it so!
the missing link in a chain of destruction.
All spelling and typographical errors are based soely on the fact that i just dont care. If you must point out my lack of atention to detail, please do it with a smile.
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You still did not explain how a company(Trion) that does not have dev control of a game, that belongs to XL games, are able to do any of what you are blaming them for? Xl games created the game, the code and interfaces. I'm sure Trion wanted certain features implemented, but it is not them making the code.
I think it is you who who does not know what they talking about. You just have blind hate.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
The reviewer has a mishapen head
Which means his opinion is skewed
...Aldous.MF'n.Huxley
i lost my sleep last night from the massive entertainment AA forums provided
All-time fave : City of Heroes/Villains
Played and returning from time to time : GW2, Tera, CO
Played: Aion, Archeage, DCUO, FXIV:ARR, Rift, SWTOR, TSW, Vindictus, Wildstar
Playing atm : WoW, Hearthstone, Tera, GW2
/popcorn
/munch
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Live footage of Trion fixing the servers!
That's not even the answer to the question lol
I feel kinda bad for Trion too. They took over a big cluster****. Then again: should've double checked first. It's not like they just started business...
Winning a discussion is not what it's about. If you could pass insight to someone or learn something from it in return - noone can really loose, can they?
Well I just got my account banned for saying I didn't like the new GU and was thinking on taking a break for awhile. I went and ate dinner and watched some shows. I tried to log into my account after my baby momma went to bed and it said I was banned. Checked my email and I was banned for posting a goodbye message on the forums.
WHAT THE FUCK?! I had stuck up for Trion throughout this whole mess saying it was XL making shit so bad and Trion is just the messenger. But now, Trion can go fuck themselves and I'll never EVER play another one of their games again.
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Waiting On: Nothing. Mmorpg's are dead.
My favorite thread was #12 from the top:
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I haven't played ArcheAge, but I too am popping some popcorn right about now. This is entertaining, in a sadistic way. I have been involved in games where this has happened, and I really feel for those people who wanted to enjoy AA. It's about how I felt when FFXIV came out the first time, and it was utterly horrible.
Sorry guys and gals who are trying to enjoy the game. More power to you to those of you who happen to still have your happy faces on about it.
Assuming this is true (and I have no reason to doubt bingbongbros, other than I've seem some unscrupulous people just like to throw random slander out there just to be able to twist the knife), the fact that there is enough Customer Service presence to ban people for goodbye posts, but not enough to deal with bots and the multitude of other various complaints.... speaks fairly loudly to me.
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Pardon, how does that effect them when it comes to downtime and being fair with who can access the server when?
Oh, it doesn't?
I see... so your point is irrelevant, gotcha.
Oh there is some response from TRION, you can get banned if you rage/emotional too much on the official forums.
http://www.reddit.com/r/archeage/comments/2lbtgn/be_careful_on_official_forums_trion_forum_banning/
FFXIV was at least a New game at launch and they only needed two years to completely rebuild to game into something amazing.
ArcheAge launched in other territories more than 2 years ago and is still a complete trainwreck today!
I take Square Enix any day. At least they still have ethics and a morale code. We can say a lot about the Japanese, but they at least still have that.
I'm playing ARR now and having a total blast - I couldn't agree more.
Coming from a 1.0 Collector's Edition Preorder, who really believed that the game was exactly what he was looking for, only to slowly come to the realization that it was utter trash about 2 weeks in.... I can really sympathize with what the AA folks are going through now.
Yeah - ARR may not be everything I had hoped 1.0 would be when I preordered back in 2010, but it's a damn fun game. So there was a silver lining to my cloud.
Sorry, I don't mean to be evangilizing for ARR - people who play AA aren't exactly the same audience. But just trying to relate a similar story that actually had a semi-happy ending. All is not lost. There is life after NGE. I'm not going to say hang in there though, because I don't believe it's worth wasting your time hanging in there for what is supposed to be entertainment. Just go find something fun, and if that still happens to be AA for you - great, and if not, live and learn.
I definitely learned not to pre-order from FFXIV. Even if it comes from a big company, even if it's a AAA release, even if it "looks" like everything you think you've always wanted. Just wait until release. And I certainly treat open betas and promotional beta keys as test drives (they really shouldn't be called betas - they really are being used by companies as promotional stunts now, and only beta in the sense that they get some stress test on their server/network architecture) - and am no longer suckered in by the "It's just Beta" excuse from what i see in those events - stuff very rarely changes from open beta to release (ok, Firefall changed, but that's an exception, it also happened to have an extremely long beta).
But what could TRION have possibly done besides doing a rollback with the whole debacle of yesterday's release. Server stability among other things are definitely (mostly) their fault. But honestly I think the #1 issue has been and is always going to be XL Games client and how easily it is to hack/modify it. I played during the Korean and Russian open beta events and already knew that some of these issues would be present with ours. But I honestly have never seen a so called AAA MMO have this much hackers/cheaters/botters/spammers nor the sheer variety. TRION's banning are more reactive than proactive. They will always be several steps behind these people until something is seriously done to the client.
The three or so remaining white knights will say (and have said in the past) that every game has their fair share of problems. They are 100% disingenuous with the amount and variety of hackers/cheaters/botters/spammers that is heavily affecting ArcheAge. They only respond with the following:
1. I am currently having fun right now (present tense) and it isn't affecting me (present tense).
2. My guild is currently having fun right now (present tense) and it isn't affecting them (present tense).
So I guess the day it does affect them they will just simply leave and stop white knighting the game? How fabulous. This is in part why the game failed in the other 3 regions. South Korea had a huge server merge and went F2P. Japan had a huge server merge and went F2P. Even the Japanese have documented that the RMT activities has heavily impacted the game. Russian servers are mostly ghost towns (from the last time I logged in over a month ago). Should this really come to a surprise to anyone anymore? Oh of course the rebuttal white knight canned answer is “well they released the game in 3 other regions so it must be doing well.” Of course it is.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Because it's how they choose to spend their entertainment time.
I'd be upset if I ... I don't know ... tried to plant a garden for fun and recreation, and the dog came and pissed all over it and it died.
Or If i went out to go fishing, and the guy next to me kept throwing rocks in the water.
Or any number of other bullcrap analogies.
They are trying to have fun. Their fun has been ruined. It sux.
What I see are people disappointed that yet another game is being ruined by today's gaming community. As that's what this really boils down to. Why work for anything when you can just cheat your way there...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Ideally Trion should have stayed well away from AA. Much like Codemasters in years past they jumped into bed head first with a company they should have steered well clear of.
Trion had a good reputation before this and now it's practically down the pan. I'd put money on people have been/will be fired over the partnership with XL.
the missing link in a chain of destruction.
All spelling and typographical errors are based soely on the fact that i just dont care. If you must point out my lack of atention to detail, please do it with a smile.
I am just waiting for some one to change the XL logo, or Trion with a catchy saying like Failcom. Internet make it so!
the missing link in a chain of destruction.
All spelling and typographical errors are based soely on the fact that i just dont care. If you must point out my lack of atention to detail, please do it with a smile.
There was "TROLL world" image in one of the posts in official forums.... a bit hard to find it now , if it is not deleted from their admins
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Played and returning from time to time : GW2, Tera, CO
Played: Aion, Archeage, DCUO, FXIV:ARR, Rift, SWTOR, TSW, Vindictus, Wildstar
Playing atm : WoW, Hearthstone, Tera, GW2