Come on super you really expect any of the die hards to agree with you. These are the same people who declared eso would never go f2p/b2p. You really can't take any of them seriously or expect an open conversation about eso with them.
Originally posted by SavageHorizon Come on super you really expect any of the die hards to agree with you. These are the same people who declared eso would never go f2p/b2p. You really can't take any of them seriously or expect an open conversation about eso with them. .
And for those who haven't and don't play? or is not finding something like this as P2W automatically mean we are a diehard? I don't find it P2W regardless of the game in question.
Almost every ftp game has this. League of Legends and DOTA 2, commonly seen as two of the best examples for a system done right, have experience boosts.
Originally posted by doodphace As long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.
Yes but the guys playing for free are going to be at a disadvantage-- they can't earn champion points or gold as fast.
Yes, because they are freeloading and should not have all the benefits of people who actually pay the subscription.
if you want it all, pay the sub.
Freeloading? Last i checked they went with a BUY TO PLAY game not a Free to play with option to sub if you want extra benefits.
But i guess leave it to arenanet to make their own option of buy to play, but also add in the option to sub if you want extra benefits. So no matter how you look at it, its a big FU to the people who bought the game, yet don't the same perks as everyone else.
It's fine for that to be the case in a free to play game, but its an entirely different situation when it happens in a buy to play game. lol, keep letting companies find new ways to fuck you in the ass and smile as they do it. It's amusing. Shit like this and people excusing it is the very reason we're in the rut we're in right now.
Sorry super, not p2w. Sure it can help someone get to 50 faster but besides that does not give them any advantage. So no p2w.
Where does it say the experience boost is til 50? It says for the duration of membership.
Think about it. After 50, VR XP converts to champion points.
Don't think that's advantage enough?
Game companies are not charities. They need to make money to keep putting out content. If paid players didnt have something to make it worth paying you would not have content. Most B2P and F2P games offer boosts for leveling and gaining gold when you sub. By your standards most B2P and F2P games are pay to win. Most dont agree with you and most will stop telling you so soon enough and only a few will be left yelling how bad this is and at that time you can feel like your right.
Only P2W that matters is where 2 people wearing the same gear that are the same level pair off and the guy that subs has an advantage, only then is there a P2W that break the game. Only when 2 players cant earn the same level of gear because of P2W items in the cash shop are better, does P2W matter. If I get the game for free but it takes me longer to get somewhere, WHO CARES IT WAS FREE!!!!! If its a problem, sub.
I agree, whether it constitutes flat-out P2W is debatable.
But these tactics are sure as heck more concerning to me than an imperial horse or a mara ring that somehow outraged more than a few people at launch.
No it isn't, read the posts here and there is no debate it is pretty clear cut, this simply is not p2w
Paying to get something faster but that a non subscriber can also achieve simply by playing the game is simply convenience not p2w regardless of how you personally see it
Originally posted by doodphace As long as everyone is on a even level at endgame, no matter how much money they sink into the game, its not P2W....the only thing that would concern me in that list, is the 10% gold increase.
Yes but the guys playing for free are going to be at a disadvantage-- they can't earn champion points or gold as fast.
*sigh*
No this is not p2w, I might be wrong but I do believe SWtOR offers almost the same thing concerning exp vs. f2p.
There other games where I have seen this model, but no...not p2w.
In fact it's more of a subs perk than anything else. I mean come on they are releasing everything free! The only thing that you would have to pay for as a f2p player are the future expacs, which to me seems like a great deal.
Looks like standard extras often seen in f2p/b2p games with sub option. Chances are those that are paying the sub are more interested/invested into the game so I don't see anything wrong with rewarding them with a 10% increase here and there. SWTOR and LOTRO do things similar with their sub options and I have yet to see anyone claim those are p2w.
You know, some games even require you to buy expansions to unlock new levels?!?!?!
In WoW I couldn't even get past level 60 unless I PAID for an expansion pack! Why should I have to pay to get more levels?! Totally P2W everyone else was stronger than me because they paid.
I won't call it pay to win, but I don't consider it buy to play. This is basically free to play. SWTOR offers the same thing, recieveing more exp for subscribers, and those who don't have a hell of a grind. I just wonder if those who do not sub actually have less experience gain than before the conversion.
This is really getting pathetic about ESO new model. Tell you what if you think its pay to win then just don't play it. We don't need more post from people just making then to create threads and stir it up again. Even if its buy to play those who chose to sub.should receive something for it. And the way the game is setup not to be about rushing and grinding to endgame but more about exploring. And this post is phony as that info is right out in the FAQ. This was not hidden at all.
Yes OP I saw that would have to be pretty damn blind to miss it really, and no in my book its not pay to win. Sure you'll get 11 gold instead of 10 and things might only take you 9 mins instead of 10 to do but if your paying $15 a month you'd best get something for your money and coins for costumes or some DLC someday in the far future, ain't it
Most B2P and F2P games offer a hell of a lot more for $15 but then ESO wasn't made from the beginning to be a cash shop oriented game. (that may well soon change)
Yes it is P2W. It's pretty straightforward you pay money, you have an advantage, which they do.
thank you! finally somebody who sees the light
If this is the definition of P2W, then every game that has ever had a paid expansion of any kind is P2W, at least if it offers pvp servers or an open pvp area.
To be fair, this is not the only stupid thread saying this. There was one on the official forums within minutes of it being announced.
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It's not P2W IMO. Others have already mentioned the majority of F2P and B2P MMO's offer all kinds of exp boosts. TSW which went from sub based to B2P has a membership option which is similar.
If anything the sub option for ESO IMO is a better deal.
To me P2W is when you need to use real cash to buy items to buy gear etc which you cannot get in game (or very difficult to get or massive grind) which will give a player a big advantage. EXP boosts is more of a time convenience item. The only minor questionable benefit IMO is the 10% gold boost, but to me it's not that much of a big deal. You have to make it attractive to get someone to sub.
Yes it is P2W. It's pretty straightforward you pay money, you have an advantage, which they do.
thank you! finally somebody who sees the light
So if i buy any game it must be p2w as i have bought the game so i have got the advantage of being able to play it
Every game ever purchased, subscribed to, spent money on in any form must be p2w?!
Do you think boosts are winning?
lol seriously come on now! This is enough surely
You will find most people who understand things, understand that the term p2w means paying to get a INGAME benefit that the free player can not achieve
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And for those who haven't and don't play? or is not finding something like this as P2W automatically mean we are a diehard? I don't find it P2W regardless of the game in question.
I agree, whether it constitutes flat-out P2W is debatable.
But these tactics are sure as heck more concerning to me than an imperial horse or a mara ring that somehow outraged more than a few people at launch.
Freeloading? Last i checked they went with a BUY TO PLAY game not a Free to play with option to sub if you want extra benefits.
But i guess leave it to arenanet to make their own option of buy to play, but also add in the option to sub if you want extra benefits. So no matter how you look at it, its a big FU to the people who bought the game, yet don't the same perks as everyone else.
It's fine for that to be the case in a free to play game, but its an entirely different situation when it happens in a buy to play game. lol, keep letting companies find new ways to fuck you in the ass and smile as they do it. It's amusing. Shit like this and people excusing it is the very reason we're in the rut we're in right now.
Game companies are not charities. They need to make money to keep putting out content. If paid players didnt have something to make it worth paying you would not have content. Most B2P and F2P games offer boosts for leveling and gaining gold when you sub. By your standards most B2P and F2P games are pay to win. Most dont agree with you and most will stop telling you so soon enough and only a few will be left yelling how bad this is and at that time you can feel like your right.
Only P2W that matters is where 2 people wearing the same gear that are the same level pair off and the guy that subs has an advantage, only then is there a P2W that break the game. Only when 2 players cant earn the same level of gear because of P2W items in the cash shop are better, does P2W matter. If I get the game for free but it takes me longer to get somewhere, WHO CARES IT WAS FREE!!!!! If its a problem, sub.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
No it isn't, read the posts here and there is no debate it is pretty clear cut, this simply is not p2w
Paying to get something faster but that a non subscriber can also achieve simply by playing the game is simply convenience not p2w regardless of how you personally see it
You asked the question and it has been answered
*sigh*
No this is not p2w, I might be wrong but I do believe SWtOR offers almost the same thing concerning exp vs. f2p.
There other games where I have seen this model, but no...not p2w.
In fact it's more of a subs perk than anything else. I mean come on they are releasing everything free! The only thing that you would have to pay for as a f2p player are the future expacs, which to me seems like a great deal.
looks fine to me. screw xp ^^
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Not necessarily.
I will not get into this because You can literally find 100 different definitions of what constitutes P2W.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/345343
And yes, some did mention experience gain as one.
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I agree with the OP!
You know, some games even require you to buy expansions to unlock new levels?!?!?!
In WoW I couldn't even get past level 60 unless I PAID for an expansion pack! Why should I have to pay to get more levels?! Totally P2W everyone else was stronger than me because they paid.
and this is a big deal why?
Pretty common with optional subscription models; e.g. "Patron Status" ins Rift etc.
Pay a sub and you level faster? Who cares.. Nice incentive for someone that wants to pay a sub..
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They caved in, introduced b2p...ppl whine p2w now?
Moral of the story? Gamers generally are whiners.
Yes OP I saw that would have to be pretty damn blind to miss it really, and no in my book its not pay to win. Sure you'll get 11 gold instead of 10 and things might only take you 9 mins instead of 10 to do but if your paying $15 a month you'd best get something for your money and coins for costumes or some DLC someday in the far future, ain't it
Most B2P and F2P games offer a hell of a lot more for $15 but then ESO wasn't made from the beginning to be a cash shop oriented game. (that may well soon change)
Paying a sub OFC has yo have some kind of bonus....
having a boost in experience gain or whatever is normal.
Why should players who don´t pay have the same experience as those who do pay?
It does make no sense.
It´s more like an "easier mode" to me than a pay for win.
But OFC you deserve an easier ride if you pay a sub for it.
Seems like some of you want to play for free...with the same experience as those who do pay a sub.
Ands that´s not gonna happen.
If this is the definition of P2W, then every game that has ever had a paid expansion of any kind is P2W, at least if it offers pvp servers or an open pvp area.
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It's not P2W IMO. Others have already mentioned the majority of F2P and B2P MMO's offer all kinds of exp boosts. TSW which went from sub based to B2P has a membership option which is similar.
TSW Membership benefits
If anything the sub option for ESO IMO is a better deal.
To me P2W is when you need to use real cash to buy items to buy gear etc which you cannot get in game (or very difficult to get or massive grind) which will give a player a big advantage. EXP boosts is more of a time convenience item. The only minor questionable benefit IMO is the 10% gold boost, but to me it's not that much of a big deal. You have to make it attractive to get someone to sub.
So if i buy any game it must be p2w as i have bought the game so i have got the advantage of being able to play it
Every game ever purchased, subscribed to, spent money on in any form must be p2w?!
Do you think boosts are winning?
lol seriously come on now! This is enough surely
You will find most people who understand things, understand that the term p2w means paying to get a INGAME benefit that the free player can not achieve