Its all fun and games untill a couple of years down the line they inevitably run out of money and disappear without a trace. Anybody that was ever remotely interested in this game has already bought it and 100mil is nothing special when you have hundreds of people working for you while throwing money around like Disney.
OK guys! We get it! He took the best decision to finally focus on the basics and release the game, with promises of releasing stretch goals in packs , after they release the initial game with minimal , basic , or whatever features.
But , how many of you played a game at release, which lacked good content ( end game content in special ) and /quit the game after 1 month? How many of you said about some features, released after 2 years, that , and i quote " This should have been at launch " ?
While I understand the fans that they "understand" the situation, my point is clear :
Release the game when it's done, or no release. Because there is nothing worst then playing a game at his launch , unfinished.
PS: I still find CR guilty for all the promises he has been make, without thinking a bit that he may not have the "power" to release said feature in-time. That means he TOLD everything in order to get more money and that is pathetic.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy? Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
I noticed that sheet does not show any progress made in 2015 (no goals completed in 2015). Did the guy abandon that sheet?
Are you looking at the "Goal Fund Reach Date" -column? It has no updates since 2014 since Star Citizen has not added any more stretch goals after 2014.
The spreadsheet looks like it's been kept up to date.
There was a time when games were developed on investor dollars and as a result had deadlines and oversight to keep the development on target and on time. When you take the dog that is a game developer off its leash and trust it with the full bag of dog food sitting on the floor, well this is what you get all the food gone and only a big pile of shit to show for it. STOP trusting the dogs. STOP backing game devs.
There are literally trillions of investor dollars available, if game studios want to developer their game make them do it the old fashion way with RULES TARGETS and TIMELINES!
Interesting theory. However, I'd counter and say that there is greater accountability in a crowdfunding situation than when working for an investor. Seriously, just take a look at the numbers!
It was expected that they couldn't reach everything. At this point I'd wish for them to be more open and tell us what do they expect to release, and when.
...Or maybe they shouldn't tell us. All their estimations about what they release and when have gone so fubar that there's some sense in not telling anything.
Are you looking at the "Goal Fund Reach Date" -column? It has no updates since 2014 since Star Citizen has not added any more stretch goals after 2014.
The spreadsheet looks like it's been kept up to date.
Oh! I see, those are the dates when the goals were announced/met.
Thanks for the clarification
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
So I am confused. If the stretch goals are being added later how many of them where already on the white board as crap that was already planned on being in the game at some point?
Like they had no plans to ever add the stretch goals unless the kick starter hit that mark.
The Stretch Goals up to and including the 6 million dollar mark were part of the Kickstarter campaign.
The rest of the stretch goals were being added during the continuation of the crowdfunding campaign directly from the official homepage.
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Wow dude this is one of the strongest arguments against CIG's handling of this project. You knew it all this time and are finally saying it without even realizing how silly it sounds. They cant even deliver the original scope of this project which was suppose to cost 6 million. Now they "added" things that supposively placed the cost at over 60 million yet when you look, what features worth mentioning are actually being added? Now Chris just said that only the latest stretch goals will not be in the game at launch. This is completely acceptable, but what is completely unacceptable is the fact that with over 100 million they probably won't launch with all the features that were promised at a 6 million dollar game. But I hope to be proven wrong.
OK guys! We get it! He took the best decision to finally focus on the basics and release the game, with promises of releasing stretch goals in packs , after they release the initial game with minimal , basic , or whatever features.
But , how many of you played a game at release, which lacked good content ( end game content in special ) and /quit the game after 1 month? How many of you said about some features, released after 2 years, that , and i quote " This should have been at launch " ?
While I understand the fans that they "understand" the situation, my point is clear :
Release the game when it's done, or no release. Because there is nothing worst then playing a game at his launch , unfinished.
PS: I still find CR guilty for all the promises he has been make, without thinking a bit that he may not have the "power" to release said feature in-time. That means he TOLD everything in order to get more money and that is pathetic.
I completely understand and agree with what you are saying. The problem is there isn't any actual content that will be missing. A few star systems, some ships, pets. That is the only thing that was in the later stretch goals.
seriously, this is NOT news. They always rambled about some stretch goals being post release, most prominent example: Pets and cockpit deco.
again, this is not news. Bad research is bad.
Wrong.
This came straight out of 10 For the Chairman that was released yesterday and the topic was brought up by "The Chairman" himself.
There is no judgment in the article, simply a recitation of fact and a provided link to a discussion of the potential, if any, ramifications his statements may have.
If information is commonly known, how is it news? Also the wording is misleading.
"Star Citizen's Chris Roberts revealed"
how can he "reveal" something I and many old backers knew for a long time, for example, stretch goal pets are a post launch feature.
Again, this is not news. I bet some of the usual witch hunters who are running their smear agenda here sent this in disguised as "news", so they can continue to giggle at every made up "bad report" to stir up trouble, and hilariously failing at it, only giving this site a bad name among SC backers.
If you say a sentence is "news", how was the release of Alpha 2.3 NOT news , I see no word on it on this site, if you know nothing about a game development and aren't following it, better stop reporting at all, because fans with youtube channels do a better job with SC news.
this is what "NEWS REPORTING" looks like:
Yet no word on a major update release here. But a sentence out of a weekly show is "news"? Really?
The FUD and Disinfo campaign has already reached the lowest possible level, fabricating patently false information and the agenda trolls are even privately stalking employees. Hope this site is proud of being the No.1 SC hate-platform.
You not only fail to crack down on the trolls involved in the smear campaign, this site now even feeds them with news without news value.
The FUD and Disinfo campaign has already reached the lowest possible level, fabricating patently false information and the agenda trolls are even privately stalking employees.
The amount of denial from the people who support this game and company is astounding.
i normally avoid the star citizen threads on this site like the plague.i have given money to this project having said that i wouldn't dare hesitate to say at this point if any backer of star citizen thinks this is how crowdfunding is supposed to work and everything is right as rain with how this project has been managed they are simply only seeing what they want to see at this point!
I lost track of how many times something was said or done by CIG and everyone is like "kool" or "that's awesome" and i'm over here like "have you lost your damn mind"
I'm thinking they spent way more money on voice overs and motion capture than they expected, leaving them short on items that were already paid for and not only will release at a later date, but will need to be funded all over again.
Same here BCBully. I
didn’t know that promised goals are going to be left out. That’s unfortunate.
This game will be a shell when it’s finally released in what….2018?
2019? By that time, games like No Man’s Sky and Elite Dangerous will be very
polished and far ahead of what Star Citizen is bringing.
With all due respect, MMORPG.com has remained largely impartial in this ridiculous argument. They have allowed MANY threads continue to run and preach the same information ad nauseam. They've given equally fair space for either side to make their arguments. So I'd have to suggest that you take a look through the history on these forums before signing up just to blast an article. You're not helping your cause.
Thats a 2 post throw away account made today. Don't bother.
Same here BCBully. I
didn’t know that promised goals are going to be left out. That’s unfortunate.
This game will be a shell when it’s finally released in what….2018?
2019? By that time, games like No Man’s Sky and Elite Dangerous will be very
polished and far ahead of what Star Citizen is bringing.
That could be why Chris said this back in 2012:
“I can't do what I did with Freelancer, or what id did with Rage, and
take five years to release it. At that point, the moment in time will be
gone. But in two years, it will be pretty great.”
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
The FUD and Disinfo campaign has already reached the lowest possible level, fabricating patently false information and the agenda trolls are even privately stalking employees.
When did this happen?
lol.. every day. I've been following the smear campaign that's going on in a dark corner of the internet for a while and it's quite disgusting. My GF is a psychology student and after I showed her the stuff, she's now writing a paper on online trolls dedicating their lives on hating things on the internet.
I'm thinking they spent way more money on voice overs and motion capture than they expected, leaving them short on items that were already paid for and not only will release at a later date, but will need to be funded all over again.
It's like a soothing voice in your head, saying, "CIG loves making you promises. You love CIG promises. Won't you please allow CIG to keep making you promises. Press the pledge button now and we'll make you all the promises beyond your wildest dreams. Subscribe monthly to the promises we will bring especially for you."
Thats a 2 post throw away account made today. Don't bother.
But which devoted fan made that account so they can get away with making those accusations against this site.... hhhhmmmmmmm.......
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
The FUD and Disinfo campaign has already reached the lowest possible level, fabricating patently false information and the agenda trolls are even privately stalking employees.
When did this happen?
lol.. every day. I've been following the smear campaign that's going on in a dark corner of the internet for a while and it's quite disgusting. My GF is a psychology student and after I showed her the stuff, she's now writing a paper on online trolls dedicating their lives on hating things on the internet.
Holy crap, well, if there is stalking going on lol every day, and you're aware of it, you should report it to proper authorities before you become considered complicit. You've just admitted to knowledge of multiple felonies, you should do your duty, for great justice.
I thought it was interesting that he said they really don't spend much money on advertising, that a lot of it is fan generated. He must mean certain types of advertising because I see those game update videos, new ship concept videos, and shows as advertising and I've seen trailers they've been making. The other thing is that they must have a nice size decorating budget because the sets and offices are filled with stuff.
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The amount of denial from the people who support this game and company is astounding.
i normally avoid the star citizen threads on this site like the plague.i have given money to this project having said that i wouldn't dare hesitate to say at this point if any backer of star citizen thinks this is how crowdfunding is supposed to work and everything is right as rain with how this project has been managed they are simply only seeing what they want to see at this point!
I lost track of how many times something was said or done by CIG and everyone is like "kool" or "that's awesome" and i'm over here like "have you lost your damn mind"
I don't think that the backers are claiming that everything is right as rain. What I do think is that SC has become isolated and critiqued and hyper-analyzed in a vacuum. I don't think this is how crowdfunding is supposed to work, but you can't say it isn't a reality of crowdfunding. I'm by no means a crowdfunding expert. I've probably backed 10 or 11 projects in total. SC is one of them.
I have backed 8 projects on Kickstarter. Of those 8 projects, 3 projects aren't past their deadline yet. 1 project actually shipped and 4 are in various states of release (alpha, etc), but past their due dates. Shoot! HEX: Shards of fate had an estimated delivery date of 2013 and you don't hear anything about it..... *crickets* and it's a freakin' TCG!
Anyway, as it appears, 100% of KS games (based on my experience) miss their target date. I actually have a spreadsheet showing, I believe, 70% of games estimated to ship by 2014 were late. Something like that. So, by all accounts, it is how it works.
If someone feels like actually putting some effort into a logical, intelligent argument then why not try to find a metric comparing progress of games in relation to Star Citizen? Something like that. Unfortunately there aren't apples-to-apples arguments made when talking about Star Citizen, it boils down to "You're Wrong!!", "No you are!!", "No you are <insert funny Internet meme>"
The amount of denial from the people who support this game and company is astounding.
i normally avoid the star citizen threads on this site like the plague.i have given money to this project having said that i wouldn't dare hesitate to say at this point if any backer of star citizen thinks this is how crowdfunding is supposed to work and everything is right as rain with how this project has been managed they are simply only seeing what they want to see at this point!
I lost track of how many times something was said or done by CIG and everyone is like "kool" or "that's awesome" and i'm over here like "have you lost your damn mind"
I don't think that the backers are claiming that everything is right as rain.
I don't know if you gave money because my memory is a little fuzzy but you may not be doing this but others are it was very obvious when i got caught up in a thread last November i think it was.
I wonder why people weren't pissed all the other times this has been made clear by CIG.
I wonder how you can continue to blindly defend a game development that has gone grossly over budget, and gone way past its initially projected launch date with no clear end in sight.
What game would that be?
I know of no such game that I'm "defending".
I do know of a game that was expanded from its original scope according to the wishes of the backers - and whose budget is constantly growing based on increasing support from the backers.
Going OVER budget means you're spending money that's not actually within the budget.
You really need to understand the fundamentals before you start making serious accusations. Well, I think so.
I thought going over budget could also mean you've spent more of the amount you set aside for something then you planned on. Say I spent 80% of the money set aside for a project up to this point in time when my projected amount by this point should have been 75% of allocated funds for that part of the project.
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But , how many of you played a game at release, which lacked good content ( end game content in special ) and /quit the game after 1 month? How many of you said about some features, released after 2 years, that , and i quote " This should have been at launch " ?
While I understand the fans that they "understand" the situation, my point is clear :
Release the game when it's done, or no release. Because there is nothing worst then playing a game at his launch , unfinished.
PS: I still find CR guilty for all the promises he has been make, without thinking a bit that he may not have the "power" to release said feature in-time. That means he TOLD everything in order to get more money and that is pathetic.
Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!
The spreadsheet looks like it's been kept up to date.
Interesting theory. However, I'd counter and say that there is greater accountability in a crowdfunding situation than when working for an investor. Seriously, just take a look at the numbers!
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...Or maybe they shouldn't tell us. All their estimations about what they release and when have gone so fubar that there's some sense in not telling anything.
Thanks for the clarification
#enjoyinglunch
I lost track of how many times something was said or done by CIG and everyone is like "kool" or "that's awesome" and i'm over here like "have you lost your damn mind"
Same here BCBully. I didn’t know that promised goals are going to be left out. That’s unfortunate.
This game will be a shell when it’s finally released in what….2018? 2019? By that time, games like No Man’s Sky and Elite Dangerous will be very polished and far ahead of what Star Citizen is bringing.
Stinger account to stir up trouble.
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“I can't do what I did with Freelancer, or what id did with Rage, and take five years to release it. At that point, the moment in time will be gone. But in two years, it will be pretty great.”
Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-12-13-star-citizen-well-compete-with-any-aaa-game-out-therehttp://
His moment in time is slipping...
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I don't think that the backers are claiming that everything is right as rain. What I do think is that SC has become isolated and critiqued and hyper-analyzed in a vacuum. I don't think this is how crowdfunding is supposed to work, but you can't say it isn't a reality of crowdfunding. I'm by no means a crowdfunding expert. I've probably backed 10 or 11 projects in total. SC is one of them.
I have backed 8 projects on Kickstarter. Of those 8 projects, 3 projects aren't past their deadline yet. 1 project actually shipped and 4 are in various states of release (alpha, etc), but past their due dates. Shoot! HEX: Shards of fate had an estimated delivery date of 2013 and you don't hear anything about it..... *crickets* and it's a freakin' TCG!
Anyway, as it appears, 100% of KS games (based on my experience) miss their target date. I actually have a spreadsheet showing, I believe, 70% of games estimated to ship by 2014 were late. Something like that. So, by all accounts, it is how it works.
If someone feels like actually putting some effort into a logical, intelligent argument then why not try to find a metric comparing progress of games in relation to Star Citizen? Something like that. Unfortunately there aren't apples-to-apples arguments made when talking about Star Citizen, it boils down to "You're Wrong!!", "No you are!!", "No you are <insert funny Internet meme>"
Sorry, but it's pathetic.
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I thought going over budget could also mean you've spent more of the amount you set aside for something then you planned on. Say I spent 80% of the money set aside for a project up to this point in time when my projected amount by this point should have been 75% of allocated funds for that part of the project.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey