I just re-read a book series by Anne McCaffrey called Acorna, the Unicorn Girl. In it, she has a character that is a space junk dealer. He talks about his computer AI on board his ship that uses a Buck Rogers voice. He mentioned he first used a sultry female voice for it, but found he kept heading to the nearest planet "for relief." That may explain some of it
I tend to agree with Nanfoodle's take on it being about money. Many people have many varied moral values. The lowest common denominator will net the most profits. In MMOs, this makes it even more problematic as publishers and players want a goodly sized player base playing the game.
I also agree with Savros about "specific markets." Nudity can be done tastefully, as Conan has shown. Yet Conan has nowhere near the numbers other games have, though that is NOT just about nudity
Nudity just isn't in the "winning formula" MMOs use today. However, single player games with mod support usually have some nudity mods. I just don't see this hitting MMOs in the same way.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I think it's kind of interesting. As player characters being nude, I don't really find it necessary unless the nudity has a purpose.
In cases of like.. a survival title, it could have a purpose, for both protection and a general survival aspect.
In an MMO, there really is little purpose to it, as no action would be required where you would need to be nude.
Cutscenes of nudity, could potentially be worth it for storytelling, but then we run into aspects of storytelling where we have perceptual nudity, and that has served its purpose in shows, films and games for a long time.
Nudity for nudities sake is really, well, fan service. Yes, the obligatory anime-inspired situation where all shows must somehow have a beach and bath house episode. It pulls you out of the importance of what's happening, and it would do the same in many games in my opinion.
That's not to say that it can't be done right. Seedy strip clubs in games like GTA and Cyberpunk seem to make sense, where a red light district in... say... Elder Scrolls Online might seemingly make sense, but wholly distract from any greater narrative. You'd almost have to gear content, focused on those features just to make it make sense.
Eh. I'm quite libertarian minded regarding this but it honestly just doesn't have a purpose in an MMO setting for the most part. Just play Witcher 3 if you want copious amounts of tiddies
I watched the video on Steam that is uncensored and quite honestly the 8 euro price tag is high for better content you can get at spankwire for free.
The whole surrender mechanism where the bosses get harder after the rape
I just found an uncensored video as well, and for the life me, I was not sure why they had the pixelated censoring to start with, as the female model looked like she was just wearing shiny black spandex leggings, like I would see in a gym, or in endless amounts at my local Walmart.
In fact, the implication of "Nudity" was caused by the Pleated Mini Skirt Moving, and if they had they removed that miniskirt, it would have been nothing more sexual than I have seen in many other MMO's with character models wearing skin tight outfits and attire, which is quite common all things said and done.
Which brings us back to Objectification vs Nudity.
In this case, if she was NOT wearing the mini-skirt it would have been less objectifying and considered less "Cesnor" worthy, which shows that clothing, or the direct lack thereof is not the dividing aspect of what makes something sexual.
Another point I have noticed in this thread, is that the second the game has Nudity, then there's an expectation that the whole game needs to be about nudity, or having the nudity have some grand or far reaching purpose and meaning.
What if that was not the case, what if the nudity was there, because it would just make sense for it to be there. What if, when if I took my armor off, I would nude, as opposed to wearing "underwear", what if when I died and re-spawned, I came back nude because all my gear was on my dead body, as opposed to magically having a pair of BVD's on hand to cover my private bits.
What if.. like in real churches.. they had paintings of nude people on the ceiling.
I mean I always thought it was funny in some cases, where my character would put on armor, and show more ass flesh than when they were wearing their BDV's fresh out of the generator.
Just some things I have noticed.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
My youngest and i love to watch b movies and tear them to pieces, makes jokes, no routine whenever time allows.
The most b we watched, and if you haven't, put on your must watch list is 500 MPH Storm.
tiny spoiler - picture this - the main characters in a car traveling down a highway, you can't even see out the windows of the vehicle as it looks like they are parked under a waterfall to express how bad it's storming/raining outside... now cut to a scene to show the vehicle traveling down the highway...... and it's a bright sunny day, not a cloud in the sky.
That's how good this one is, it's packed with plenty of goodies like that.
My faith is my shield! - Turalyon 2022
Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)
Killing people, gruesome scenes of murder, gratuitous violence, torture, blood, guts, you know pretty much any unthinkable act of murder is acceptable, but show a nude... OMG! lmao!
My faith is my shield! - Turalyon 2022
Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)
Killing people, gruesome scenes of murder, gratuitous violence, torture, blood, guts, you know pretty much any unthinkable act of murder is acceptable, but show a nude... OMG! lmao!
Well, it makes sense since 90% of what you're doing in most games is killing.
I don't think anyone is looking for a game where 90% of what you do in it is nude-ing.
And if you do want that kind of game.. I think its one of those things you have to make sure is playable with one hand only.
Killing people, gruesome scenes of murder, gratuitous violence, torture, blood, guts, you know pretty much any unthinkable act of murder is acceptable, but show a nude... OMG! lmao!
Well, it makes sense since 90% of what you're doing in most games is killing.
I don't think anyone is looking for a game where 90% of what you do in it is nude-ing.
And if you do want that kind of game.. I think its one of those things you have to make sure is playable with one hand only.
yah.. but it seems like every game is 92% trying to dance the line between Nudity and Just covered enough to not be nude.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
Killing people, gruesome scenes of murder, gratuitous violence, torture, blood, guts, you know pretty much any unthinkable act of murder is acceptable, but show a nude... OMG! lmao!
Well, it makes sense since 90% of what you're doing in most games is killing.
I don't think anyone is looking for a game where 90% of what you do in it is nude-ing.
And if you do want that kind of game.. I think its one of those things you have to make sure is playable with one hand only.
I'm laughing so hard right now thx!
My faith is my shield! - Turalyon 2022
Your legend ends here and now! - (Battles Won Long Ago)
My youngest and i love to watch b movies and tear them to pieces, makes jokes, no routine whenever time allows.
The most b we watched, and if you haven't, put on your must watch list is 500 MPH Storm.
tiny spoiler - picture this - the main characters in a car traveling down a highway, you can't even see out the windows of the vehicle as it looks like they are parked under a waterfall to express how bad it's storming/raining outside... now cut to a scene to show the vehicle traveling down the highway...... and it's a bright sunny day, not a cloud in the sky.
That's how good this one is, it's packed with plenty of goodies like that.
That is exactly what we do. "pre-Covid" we go to the pub across the street and then back to my our place. I'll put that on the list. Thanks for the recommendation!
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Killing people, gruesome scenes of murder, gratuitous violence, torture, blood, guts, you know pretty much any unthinkable act of murder is acceptable, but show a nude... OMG! lmao!
It's too very different things, I think. Violence is an activity. Nudity is a setting(?).
Both are part of our "animal instincts." We, like animals, can be violent and even kill.
However, no animal has invented clothing. This is because animals have "seasons" for reproduction. We humans lack this aspect of our nature. Women don't go into "heat" in the Spring. They are "in heat" 24/7/365, or at least acceptable to it. Men are the same, though animal males tend to be reactionary when it comes to reproduction.
For my own personal tastes, and I know this runs counter to many other views, I dislike "love and sex" in my RPGs. Neither of these aspects in life do I view as a "game", though I realize many do. I don't want them in my video games. I am uncomfortable with the subject matter.
This runs quite counter to my "I want a living world" view on MMORPGs. Just like cooking, bathing, and excreting (I don't want those either), it's part of the "fun/game vs. realism" debate.
Important note: I don't condemn games with nudity/sex nor the players that play them. It's just not for me
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
1) Stigma 2) It limits the audience of an already dying genre 3) There's no demand for it
It's important to note that the original poster was pointing more toward "breasts on harpies" and nude savages over the actual sexualization of the material.
Could there be more nudity if it was couched in those terms?
meh, probably not.
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Its interesting to me that we live in a time where making something seem more realistic is incredibly important but making something TOO realistic takes away from the users experience because it might be offensive. This puts devs in a tight spot, as they have to please as many people as possible to sell their product and it becomes increasingly expensive for them to allow a customizable experience without offending someone. Should all devs build a game that changes its rating based on a custom set of filters that allows a parent or adult to customize every aspect of the game to prevent them from becoming offended to maximize profits? At this rate, it would honestly not surprise me at some point if it became so necessary for devs to build an experience that pleases everyone without politicizing a game or objectifying a particular race, religion, sex, or culture that games become completely bland and featureless and characters look like nothing more than little grey blobs running around making each other disappear so that they can become bigger blobs. Unfortunately, even that might offend someone as well someday..
My youngest and i love to watch b movies and tear them to pieces, makes jokes, no routine whenever time allows.
The most b we watched, and if you haven't, put on your must watch list is 500 MPH Storm.
tiny spoiler - picture this - the main characters in a car traveling down a highway, you can't even see out the windows of the vehicle as it looks like they are parked under a waterfall to express how bad it's storming/raining outside... now cut to a scene to show the vehicle traveling down the highway...... and it's a bright sunny day, not a cloud in the sky.
That's how good this one is, it's packed with plenty of goodies like that.
I love bad movies! There's no shark or crocodile movie in existence that I won't watch at least twice. Except Jaws, that one's too good to be worth watching
Taking about B movies. I just came across velocipastor. Haven't watched it yet but will tomorrow. A priest has the ability to turn into a dinosaur and a hooker convinced him to fight crime. This might not even make it to B.
Sorry. Off topic I know. My wife is always bugging me about my taste in movies.
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is bad.
I don't prefer this because it causes some kind of Lust in me and reminds me of things I don't / want to have. I also dislike losing control. And this shit's all about losing control and being vulnerable / depowered.
I don't prefer this because it causes some kind of Lust in me and reminds me of things I don't / want to have. I also dislike losing control. And this shit's all about losing control and being vulnerable / depowered.
hmmm, I don't really think that's a universal truth.
Having said that, if that's what you want (not sure how to read that that sentence) then go out and get.
Unless you are a priest then I completely understand.
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I don't prefer this because it causes some kind of Lust in me and reminds me of things I don't / want to have. I also dislike losing control. And this shit's all about losing control and being vulnerable / depowered.
hmmm, I don't really think that's a universal truth.
Having said that, if that's what you want (not sure how to read that that sentence) then go out and get.
Unless you are a priest then I completely understand.
Well...it's difficult. I...this whole thing is kinda difficult for me. Fvck.
I definitely want more initiative from the other side in this matter.
Also, who said it was universal, it is just my completely subjective experience.
Edit: Also, I wish it was that easy. Especially when I don't seek pure One Night Stands.
I don't prefer this because it causes some kind of Lust in me and reminds me of things I don't / want to have. I also dislike losing control. And this shit's all about losing control and being vulnerable / depowered.
hmmm, I don't really think that's a universal truth.
Having said that, if that's what you want (not sure how to read that that sentence) then go out and get.
Unless you are a priest then I completely understand.
Well...it's difficult. I...this whole thing is kinda difficult for me. Fvck.
I definitely want more initiative from the other side in this matter.
Also, who said it was universal, it is just my completely subjective experience.
Edit: Also, I wish it was that easy. Especially when I don't seek pure One Night Stands.
Ok, a little off topic, but.. Eh.. One Night Stands are horrible.. if they didn't come back for at least round two, that means you didn't give it a good go.
As the saying goes - it's not about having sex with a million women, it's about finding that one you want to have sex with a million times - Paraphrased from Wilt Chamberlain.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dullens the pain of stupidity, this is why when I try to beat my head against the stupidity of other people, I only hurt myself.
I don't prefer this because it causes some kind of Lust in me and reminds me of things I don't / want to have. I also dislike losing control. And this shit's all about losing control and being vulnerable / depowered.
hmmm, I don't really think that's a universal truth.
Having said that, if that's what you want (not sure how to read that that sentence) then go out and get.
Unless you are a priest then I completely understand.
Well...it's difficult. I...this whole thing is kinda difficult for me. Fvck.
I definitely want more initiative from the other side in this matter.
Also, who said it was universal, it is just my completely subjective experience.
Edit: Also, I wish it was that easy. Especially when I don't seek pure One Night Stands.
I believe I'm with you here.
Sex means more to me than simple "mutual orgasms." It is one expression of my love for another. I know society celebrates the sexual revolution, but like many things in life, that passed me by, too. How old fashioned and outdated... "sex only for expressing one's love." So last millennium
I hope I'm not way off-base here
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
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I just re-read a book series by Anne McCaffrey called Acorna, the Unicorn Girl. In it, she has a character that is a space junk dealer. He talks about his computer AI on board his ship that uses a Buck Rogers voice. He mentioned he first used a sultry female voice for it, but found he kept heading to the nearest planet "for relief." That may explain some of it
I tend to agree with Nanfoodle's take on it being about money. Many people have many varied moral values. The lowest common denominator will net the most profits. In MMOs, this makes it even more problematic as publishers and players want a goodly sized player base playing the game.
I also agree with Savros about "specific markets." Nudity can be done tastefully, as Conan has shown. Yet Conan has nowhere near the numbers other games have, though that is NOT just about nudity
Nudity just isn't in the "winning formula" MMOs use today. However, single player games with mod support usually have some nudity mods. I just don't see this hitting MMOs in the same way.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
In cases of like.. a survival title, it could have a purpose, for both protection and a general survival aspect.
In an MMO, there really is little purpose to it, as no action would be required where you would need to be nude.
Cutscenes of nudity, could potentially be worth it for storytelling, but then we run into aspects of storytelling where we have perceptual nudity, and that has served its purpose in shows, films and games for a long time.
Nudity for nudities sake is really, well, fan service. Yes, the obligatory anime-inspired situation where all shows must somehow have a beach and bath house episode. It pulls you out of the importance of what's happening, and it would do the same in many games in my opinion.
That's not to say that it can't be done right. Seedy strip clubs in games like GTA and Cyberpunk seem to make sense, where a red light district in... say... Elder Scrolls Online might seemingly make sense, but wholly distract from any greater narrative. You'd almost have to gear content, focused on those features just to make it make sense.
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
In fact, the implication of "Nudity" was caused by the Pleated Mini Skirt Moving, and if they had they removed that miniskirt, it would have been nothing more sexual than I have seen in many other MMO's with character models wearing skin tight outfits and attire, which is quite common all things said and done.
Which brings us back to Objectification vs Nudity.
In this case, if she was NOT wearing the mini-skirt it would have been less objectifying and considered less "Cesnor" worthy, which shows that clothing, or the direct lack thereof is not the dividing aspect of what makes something sexual.
Another point I have noticed in this thread, is that the second the game has Nudity, then there's an expectation that the whole game needs to be about nudity, or having the nudity have some grand or far reaching purpose and meaning.
What if that was not the case, what if the nudity was there, because it would just make sense for it to be there. What if, when if I took my armor off, I would nude, as opposed to wearing "underwear", what if when I died and re-spawned, I came back nude because all my gear was on my dead body, as opposed to magically having a pair of BVD's on hand to cover my private bits.
What if.. like in real churches.. they had paintings of nude people on the ceiling.
I mean I always thought it was funny in some cases, where my character would put on armor, and show more ass flesh than when they were wearing their BDV's fresh out of the generator.
Just some things I have noticed.
I don't think anyone is looking for a game where 90% of what you do in it is nude-ing.
And if you do want that kind of game.. I think its one of those things you have to make sure is playable with one hand only.
I'm laughing so hard right now thx!
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Both are part of our "animal instincts." We, like animals, can be violent and even kill.
However, no animal has invented clothing. This is because animals have "seasons" for reproduction. We humans lack this aspect of our nature. Women don't go into "heat" in the Spring. They are "in heat" 24/7/365, or at least acceptable to it. Men are the same, though animal males tend to be reactionary when it comes to reproduction.
For my own personal tastes, and I know this runs counter to many other views, I dislike "love and sex" in my RPGs. Neither of these aspects in life do I view as a "game", though I realize many do. I don't want them in my video games. I am uncomfortable with the subject matter.
This runs quite counter to my "I want a living world" view on MMORPGs. Just like cooking, bathing, and excreting (I don't want those either), it's part of the "fun/game vs. realism" debate.
Important note: I don't condemn games with nudity/sex nor the players that play them. It's just not for me
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
2) It limits the audience of an already dying genre
3) There's no demand for it
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I love bad movies! There's no shark or crocodile movie in existence that I won't watch at least twice. Except Jaws, that one's too good to be worth watching
Sorry. Off topic I know. My wife is always bugging me about my taste in movies.
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
I don't prefer this because it causes some kind of Lust in me and reminds me of things I don't / want to have. I also dislike losing control. And this shit's all about losing control and being vulnerable / depowered.
Having said that, if that's what you want (not sure how to read that that sentence) then go out and get.
Unless you are a priest then I completely understand.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I definitely want more initiative from the other side in this matter.
Also, who said it was universal, it is just my completely subjective experience.
Edit: Also, I wish it was that easy. Especially when I don't seek pure One Night Stands.
As the saying goes - it's not about having sex with a million women, it's about finding that one you want to have sex with a million times - Paraphrased from Wilt Chamberlain.
Sex means more to me than simple "mutual orgasms." It is one expression of my love for another. I know society celebrates the sexual revolution, but like many things in life, that passed me by, too. How old fashioned and outdated... "sex only for expressing one's love." So last millennium
I hope I'm not way off-base here
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR