Originally posted by [.Q.] - a 2 mouth character could beat a 1 year character... a 1 year character could most defenetly beat a 3 year old one.
While I understand this is possible, how often does it actually happen?
Isn't it more likely that the 2 year player not only has a vastly better ship and better skills but also a greater understanding of tactics and how to use them. Not to mention the ability to respawn into a deathstar. Or even summon a corp full of deathstars.
I do find this argument very unbelieveable at the best of times.
So the big question to all you 2 year vets is, how often is your battleship destroyed by a frigate played by a newb with a 2 month old subscription. Please count the number of times this has happened to you personally and post your answers.
On some side notes, there were plenty of kiddies playing Eve when I was. You will find them in all online games.
Eve has not had an expansion. The gradual addition of a lot of content is not an exapansion. An expansion is the addition of a lot of content all at the same time. Eve has had no expansion pack.
Originally posted by [.Q.] - a 2 mouth character could beat a 1 year character... a 1 year character could most defenetly beat a 3 year old one.
While I understand this is possible, how often does it actually happen?
Isn't it more likely that the 2 year player not only has a vastly better ship and better skills but also a greater understanding of tactics and how to use them. Not to mention the ability to respawn into a deathstar. Or even summon a corp full of deathstars.
I do find this argument very unbelieveable at the best of times.
So the big question to all you 2 year vets is, how often is your battleship destroyed by a frigate played by a newb with a 2 month old subscription. Please count the number of times this has happened to you personally and post your answers.
On some side notes, there were plenty of kiddies playing Eve when I was. You will find them in all online games.
Eve has not had an expansion. The gradual addition of a lot of content is not an exapansion. An expansion is the addition of a lot of content all at the same time. Eve has had no expansion pack.
it is not about noob frigates crushing veteran BS, you should know better than that if you are want to have an argument. it's about veteran players being caught unguarded on a industrial ship by a new player on a cruiser. or a veteran player on a interceptor and the new player on a destroyer, or many other combinations that end up on the same thing: a veteran player loosing his ship against a new player.
and that is only on 1vs1 situations. if the veteran player is alone and faces a group of 3 or 4 new players on cruisers and BC, unless the veteran player is very skilled or the new players really stupid, he will die.
about kiddies... dont know. i have met about 300 people on the months i have been playing, and all of them were 18 or older, except 1, who was 16, and was one of the best pvpers i've met.
and about expansions... bah, find another argument. every game (even offline games) promishes the moon while on developing stages, and when they finally come out, they only have half of the features that were planned, and the rest are added with expansions. look at swg, it released without spaceships!!!!! but would you say that Jump to Lightspeed wasnt an expansion? well, not only spaceships should have been on the original game, but they even made you pay for the expansion.
on the few months i have been playing, EVE has had 3 major expansions, and lots of lesser patches and fixes.
take this advice. dont speak things you dont know anything about. or like we say in spain "en boca cerrada no entran moscas"
Originally posted by baff Originally posted by [.Q.] - a 2 mouth character could beat a 1 year character... a 1 year character could most defenetly beat a 3 year old one.
While I understand this is possible, how often does it actually happen?
Isn't it more likely that the 2 year player not only has a vastly better ship and better skills but also a greater understanding of tactics and how to use them. Not to mention the ability to respawn into a deathstar. Or even summon a corp full of deathstars.
Just look at the alliance tournament for proof. 7 million SP characters were more than able to hold there own against 60 million SP characters and get through to some of the final matches. Honestly I don't know why people still try and bring up that argument. More SP means more flexibility, that's it. When all is said and done on any of the non-capital ships the max amount of SP you're going to use while flying them is about 8 million, once you get to that point with your character YOU ARE EQUAL TO THE VETS IN THAT SHIP CLASS. It comes down to tactics, good fitting and teamwork.
FFS it's not that difficult of a concept, why do people have so much trouble grasping it.
If said vet has to 'respawn' in a deathstar (whatever the hell you mean by that) then it means they already lost, so that point is moot
I do find this argument very unbelieveable at the best of times.
So the big question to all you 2 year vets is, how often is your battleship destroyed by a frigate played by a newb with a 2 month old subscription. Please count the number of times this has happened to you personally and post your answers.
I've never been solo-killed in a BS by a noob because I'm smart enough to fit anti-frig measures on my BS's, but I have been jumped by a group of newer player pirates and killed, and it was my fault for getting caught.
On some side notes, there were plenty of kiddies playing Eve when I was. You will find them in all online games.
Eve has not had an expansion. The gradual addition of a lot of content is not an exapansion. An expansion is the addition of a lot of content all at the same time. Eve has had no expansion pack.
Actually So far EVE has had 1 full-fledged expansion and once all three REVELATIONS patches are out it will be 2. EXODUS was the first, adding in the revamped UI, Deadspace, POS and the destroyer and battlecruiser ship CLASSES. See, in CCP's view, an expansion should add new gameplay elements to the game and not just add more old gameplay in. Castor could be argued to be another expansion but really it was just finishing the original game off after release. Either way it doesn't matter because CCP have stated that they will never charge for expansions. How is new gameplay features for free considered worth less than more of the same gameplay that you get charged for anyways?
I probably gonna buy EVE soon, and i must say, it is indeed hard to decide to play or not, with all those comments. Some people say it really sucks, and then others come and say its really cool....altough i mostly believe the ones that play it (they have the best arguments) its still hard to choose. That is the reason why EVE is not that large, cause of all the bad comments!
Originally posted by Daan4ever I probably gonna buy EVE soon, and i must say, it is indeed hard to decide to play or not, with all those comments. Some people say it really sucks, and then others come and say its really cool....altough i mostly believe the ones that play it (they have the best arguments) its still hard to choose. That is the reason why EVE is not that large, cause of all the bad comments!
Well, only the experience of playing EVE will decide your preference. The 14 day trail should give you a good taste. Also, if you do play the trail, be sure to do the tutorial and all the missions from your tutorial agent (you get a nice 1 mill bauble at the end).
Also, I would reccomend you join Eve University. A respected player corp that opens it's arms to new players and instructs them in the finer points of EVE. Since community is such a big part on whether you enjoy the game or not, that should give you a good experience.
I do have to admit the game did get repetitive and i got bored too after like 1 month. It was ok while it lasted but if you think about it the game doesn't exactly have depth.
Now Star Trek Online will be the biggest hit if Perpetual pull it off, i'm not even a fan of Star Trek but i can tell due to the complexity and the fact you can walk around and go on planets...its gonna be the EVE killer.
This is my opinion an i don't wish to be criticized by some EVE die hard fag.
Originally posted by moondy This is my opinion an i don't wish to be criticized by some EVE die hard fag.
Then be polite. You don't have to call people who enjoy EVE and would like other people to share their enjoyment Fag's. This is also an open forum so if they wish to critize you they are more than welcome to. If ypu don't like that don't post. I do find it odd that a game that you can claim that a game that has not been released yet is better than another game.
Originally posted by moondy I do have to admit the game did get repetitive and i got bored too after like 1 month. It was ok while it lasted but if you think about it the game doesn't exactly have depth. Now Star Trek Online will be the biggest hit if Perpetual pull it off, i'm not even a fan of Star Trek but i can tell due to the complexity and the fact you can walk around and go on planets...its gonna be the EVE killer. This is my opinion an i don't wish to be criticized by some EVE die hard fag.
Well, being as ST-O is a very long way off.. and will prolly play more like WoW then eve plus from whats been seen so far isn't that complex.. Yes it may well be popular but those who enjoy games like WoW.
But who cares, after all its going to be a spoon fed content PvE game.. nothing like Eve.
Now I guess you got bored of eve because the game was too much for you to handle, as you needed the game to hold your hand and point you in the direction of fun and give you a little pat on the back when you do good. Eve on the other hand doesn't it gives the player the tools to create their own fun in the giant sandbox it provides.. Some do, others just well come here and whine its boring and have no depth, and its obvious that your still a child due to your little jibe at the end of your post and again for the majority (but not all.) youngsters that play eve tend to find it a bit boring as it doesn't have the instant gratification that games like WoW has.
Its ok, no-one is going to be mad at you for your opinion.. though they might be at your jibe, nor will they criticize you and your childish jibe.. Instead those who respond to you will give you their opinions.
Originally posted by moondy This is my opinion an i don't wish to be criticized by some EVE die hard fag.
Your opinion is fine. Your namecalling is childish though. I'm fine with you finding the game boring. It's not a game for everyone. Some like it, some don't. No need to be an ass about it though.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Originally posted by moondy see what i mean....perfect example of people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut and twist my words. listen to me very carefully OK? i said it was my opinion and i simply chose to use a bit of vulgarity to emphases the fact that you shouldn't be that fag who falls under the category telling me things like I'm using a 'childish jibe'...looks like i was proven wrong again by Itsme and Monde. I wouldn't be surprised if someone goes at me again...and i couldn't careless, the fact that your getting all worked up over nothing is pleasing enough for me. The more you attack me for your pointless arguments the more it satisfies me. Take it easy fellas remember its just a game, maybe you could be spending your time better earning real money...oh wait that's right you sell it on ebay. hah pathetic
It is just a game yes, and you are perfectly free to your opinion, but vulgarity, baiting, and insults have no place in a civil discussion.
Originally posted by moondy see what i mean....perfect example of people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut and twist my words. listen to me very carefully OK? i said it was my opinion and i simply chose to use a bit of vulgarity to emphases the fact that you shouldn't be that fag who falls under the category telling me things like I'm using a 'childish jibe'...looks like i was proven wrong again by Itsme and Monde. I wouldn't be surprised if someone goes at me again...and i couldn't careless, the fact that your getting all worked up over nothing is pleasing enough for me. The more you attack me for your pointless arguments the more it satisfies me. Take it easy fellas remember its just a game, maybe you could be spending your time better earning real money...oh wait that's right you sell it on ebay. hah pathetic
I make plenty of "real money" thanks And while it is probably very lucrative selling ISK for money (Ebay or otherwise) is an offense that CCP will ban you for. So even if I was of the mindset to do it I wouldn't... because I kind of like playing my game
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Originally posted by moondy see what i mean....perfect example of people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut and twist my words. listen to me very carefully OK? i said it was my opinion and i simply chose to use a bit of vulgarity to emphases the fact that you shouldn't be that fag who falls under the category telling me things like I'm using a 'childish jibe'...looks like i was proven wrong again by Itsme and Monde. I wouldn't be surprised if someone goes at me again...and i couldn't careless, the fact that your getting all worked up over nothing is pleasing enough for me. The more you attack me for your pointless arguments the more it satisfies me. Take it easy fellas remember its just a game, maybe you could be spending your time better earning real money...oh wait that's right you sell it on ebay. hah pathetic
Easy now, no need to throw your toys out of your pram, because you didn't like my opinion or the opinion of others ... yes, thats right an opinion.. just like your post was your opinion.
Now if you got all upset because I found your little jibe childish.. which unfortunatly it is by todays standards on the net.. After all its mainly pre-pubesent teens that run around calling everything gay or someone a fag because they don't like it or don't agree with them.
So if anything you wasn't proved wrong. no one critized you, they just gave you their own opinions. But I guess you failed to either see or understand that and was just looking for someone to say something so you could try to use your very weak and childish insult. To be honest if anything you have fallen into the path of your own insult, by jumping up and down critizing the opinions of others..
Originally posted by [.Q.] - a 2 mouth character could beat a 1 year character... a 1 year character could most defenetly beat a 3 year old one.
While I understand this is possible, how often does it actually happen?
it is not about noob frigates crushing veteran BS, you should know better than that if you are want to have an argument. it's about veteran players being caught unguarded on a industrial ship by a new player on a cruiser. or a veteran player on a interceptor and the new player on a destroyer, or many other combinations that end up on the same thing: a veteran player loosing his ship against a new player.
and that is only on 1vs1 situations. if the veteran player is alone and faces a group of 3 or 4 new players on cruisers and BC, unless the veteran player is very skilled or the new players really stupid, he will die.
about kiddies... dont know. i have met about 300 people on the months i have been playing, and all of them were 18 or older, except 1, who was 16, and was one of the best pvpers i've met.
and about expansions... bah, find another argument. every game (even offline games) promishes the moon while on developing stages, and when they finally come out, they only have half of the features that were planned, and the rest are added with expansions. look at swg, it released without spaceships!!!!! but would you say that Jump to Lightspeed wasnt an expansion? well, not only spaceships should have been on the original game, but they even made you pay for the expansion.
on the few months i have been playing, EVE has had 3 major expansions, and lots of lesser patches and fixes.
take this advice. dont speak things you dont know anything about. or like we say in spain "en boca cerrada no entran moscas"
(In England we say if you don't ask you won't learn. Probably not relevant for you since spanish people are all born knowing everything already).
Thanks for you kind reply. (and the same to the chap who posted after you), I didn't think that sort of thing where Newbs we all killing Veterans happened either. But I havent played this game as much as some, and I wanted to straighten that preconception of mine out.
As for 3 expansions, new content isn't an expansion. It is new content. Jump to Lightspeed was an Expansion. A lot of new content, so much that people were willing to pay extra to buy it on a disc from a shop.
Originally posted by moondy I do have to admit the game did get repetitive and i got bored too after like 1 month. It was ok while it lasted but if you think about it the game doesn't exactly have depth. Now Star Trek Online will be the biggest hit if Perpetual pull it off, i'm not even a fan of Star Trek but i can tell due to the complexity and the fact you can walk around and go on planets...its gonna be the EVE killer. This is my opinion an i don't wish to be criticized by some EVE die hard fag.
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While I understand this is possible, how often does it actually happen?
Isn't it more likely that the 2 year player not only has a vastly better ship and better skills but also a greater understanding of tactics and how to use them. Not to mention the ability to respawn into a deathstar. Or even summon a corp full of deathstars.
I do find this argument very unbelieveable at the best of times.
So the big question to all you 2 year vets is, how often is your battleship destroyed by a frigate played by a newb with a 2 month old subscription. Please count the number of times this has happened to you personally and post your answers.
On some side notes, there were plenty of kiddies playing Eve when I was. You will find them in all online games.
Eve has not had an expansion. The gradual addition of a lot of content is not an exapansion. An expansion is the addition of a lot of content all at the same time. Eve has had no expansion pack.
While I understand this is possible, how often does it actually happen?
Isn't it more likely that the 2 year player not only has a vastly better ship and better skills but also a greater understanding of tactics and how to use them. Not to mention the ability to respawn into a deathstar. Or even summon a corp full of deathstars.
I do find this argument very unbelieveable at the best of times.
So the big question to all you 2 year vets is, how often is your battleship destroyed by a frigate played by a newb with a 2 month old subscription. Please count the number of times this has happened to you personally and post your answers.
On some side notes, there were plenty of kiddies playing Eve when I was. You will find them in all online games.
Eve has not had an expansion. The gradual addition of a lot of content is not an exapansion. An expansion is the addition of a lot of content all at the same time. Eve has had no expansion pack.
it is not about noob frigates crushing veteran BS, you should know better than that if you are want to have an argument. it's about veteran players being caught unguarded on a industrial ship by a new player on a cruiser. or a veteran player on a interceptor and the new player on a destroyer, or many other combinations that end up on the same thing: a veteran player loosing his ship against a new player.
and that is only on 1vs1 situations. if the veteran player is alone and faces a group of 3 or 4 new players on cruisers and BC, unless the veteran player is very skilled or the new players really stupid, he will die.
about kiddies... dont know. i have met about 300 people on the months i have been playing, and all of them were 18 or older, except 1, who was 16, and was one of the best pvpers i've met.
and about expansions... bah, find another argument. every game (even offline games) promishes the moon while on developing stages, and when they finally come out, they only have half of the features that were planned, and the rest are added with expansions. look at swg, it released without spaceships!!!!! but would you say that Jump to Lightspeed wasnt an expansion? well, not only spaceships should have been on the original game, but they even made you pay for the expansion.
on the few months i have been playing, EVE has had 3 major expansions, and lots of lesser patches and fixes.
take this advice. dont speak things you dont know anything about. or like we say in spain "en boca cerrada no entran moscas"
While I understand this is possible, how often does it actually happen?
Isn't
it more likely that the 2 year player not only has a vastly better ship
and better skills but also a greater understanding of tactics and how
to use them. Not to mention the ability to respawn into a deathstar. Or
even summon a corp full of deathstars.
Just look at the alliance tournament for proof. 7 million SP characters
were more than able to hold there own against 60 million SP characters
and get through to some of the final matches. Honestly I don't know why
people still try and bring up that argument. More SP means more
flexibility, that's it. When all is said and done on any of the
non-capital ships the max amount of SP you're going to use while flying
them is about 8 million, once you get to that point with your character
YOU ARE EQUAL TO THE VETS IN THAT SHIP CLASS. It comes down to tactics, good fitting and teamwork.
FFS it's not that difficult of a concept, why do people have so much trouble grasping it.
If said vet has to 'respawn' in a
deathstar (whatever the hell you mean by that) then it means they
already lost, so that point is moot
I do find this argument very unbelieveable at the best of times.
So
the big question to all you 2 year vets is, how often is your
battleship destroyed by a frigate played by a newb with a 2 month old
subscription. Please count the number of times this has happened to you
personally and post your answers.
I've never been
solo-killed in a BS by a noob because I'm smart enough to fit anti-frig
measures on my BS's, but I have been jumped by a group of newer player
pirates and killed, and it was my fault for getting caught.
On some side notes, there were plenty of kiddies playing Eve when I was. You will find them in all online games.
Eve
has not had an expansion. The gradual addition of a lot of content is
not an exapansion. An expansion is the addition of a lot of content all
at the same time. Eve has had no expansion pack.
Actually
So far EVE has had 1 full-fledged expansion and once all three
REVELATIONS patches are out it will be 2. EXODUS was the first, adding
in the revamped UI, Deadspace, POS and the destroyer and battlecruiser
ship CLASSES. See, in CCP's view, an expansion should add new gameplay
elements to the game and not just add more old gameplay in. Castor
could be argued to be another expansion but really it was just
finishing the original game off after release. Either way it doesn't
matter because CCP have stated that they will never charge for
expansions. How is new gameplay features for free considered worth less
than more of the same gameplay that you get charged for anyways?
decide to play or not, with all those comments. Some people say it
really sucks, and then others come and say its really cool....altough i
mostly believe the ones that play it (they have the best arguments) its
still hard to choose. That is the reason why EVE is not that large,
cause of all the bad comments!
Well, only the experience of playing EVE will decide your preference. The 14 day trail should give you a good taste. Also, if you do play the trail, be sure to do the tutorial and all the missions from your tutorial agent (you get a nice 1 mill bauble at the end).
Also, I would reccomend you join Eve University. A respected player corp that opens it's arms to new players and instructs them in the finer points of EVE. Since community is such a big part on whether you enjoy the game or not, that should give you a good experience.
Good luck in EVE
God Bless
Would be great to have you. Need some advice or stuck after the tutorial let me know.
Monde in game.
Fly Safe
I do have to admit the game did get repetitive and i got bored too after like 1 month. It was ok while it lasted but if you think about it the game doesn't exactly have depth.
Now Star Trek Online will be the biggest hit if Perpetual pull it off, i'm not even a fan of Star Trek but i can tell due to the complexity and the fact you can walk around and go on planets...its gonna be the EVE killer.
This is my opinion an i don't wish to be criticized by some EVE die hard fag.
Then be polite. You don't have to call people who enjoy EVE and would like other people to share their enjoyment Fag's. This is also an open forum so if they wish to critize you they are more than welcome to. If ypu don't like that don't post. I do find it odd that a game that you can claim that a game that has not been released yet is better than another game.
Each unto their own I suppose.
Well, being as ST-O is a very long way off.. and will prolly play more like WoW then eve plus from whats been seen so far isn't that complex.. Yes it may well be popular but those who enjoy games like WoW.
But who cares, after all its going to be a spoon fed content PvE game.. nothing like Eve.
Now I guess you got bored of eve because the game was too much for you to handle, as you needed the game to hold your hand and point you in the direction of fun and give you a little pat on the back when you do good. Eve on the other hand doesn't it gives the player the tools to create their own fun in the giant sandbox it provides.. Some do, others just well come here and whine its boring and have no depth, and its obvious that your still a child due to your little jibe at the end of your post and again for the majority (but not all.) youngsters that play eve tend to find it a bit boring as it doesn't have the instant gratification that games like WoW has.
Its ok, no-one is going to be mad at you for your opinion.. though they might be at your jibe, nor will they criticize you and your childish jibe.. Instead those who respond to you will give you their opinions.
Your opinion is fine. Your namecalling is childish though. I'm fine with you finding the game boring. It's not a game for everyone. Some like it, some don't. No need to be an ass about it though.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
It is just a game yes, and you are perfectly free to your opinion, but vulgarity, baiting, and insults have no place in a civil discussion.
EDIT: grammar
I make plenty of "real money" thanks
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Originally posted by moondy
see what i mean....perfect example of people who don't know when to keep their mouths shut and twist my words.
listen to me very carefully OK? i said it was my opinion and i simply chose to use a bit of vulgarity to emphases the fact that you shouldn't be that fag who falls under the category telling me things like I'm using a 'childish jibe'...looks like i was proven wrong again by Itsme and Monde.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone goes at me again...and i couldn't careless, the fact that your getting all worked up over nothing is pleasing enough for me. The more you attack me for your pointless arguments the more it satisfies me.
Take it easy fellas remember its just a game, maybe you could be spending your time better earning real money...oh wait that's right you sell it on ebay. hah pathetic
Easy now, no need to throw your toys out of your pram, because you didn't like my opinion or the opinion of others ... yes, thats right an opinion.. just like your post was your opinion.
Now if you got all upset because I found your little jibe childish.. which unfortunatly it is by todays standards on the net.. After all its mainly pre-pubesent teens that run around calling everything gay or someone a fag because they don't like it or don't agree with them.
So if anything you wasn't proved wrong. no one critized you, they just gave you their own opinions. But I guess you failed to either see or understand that and was just looking for someone to say something so you could try to use your very weak and childish insult. To be honest if anything you have fallen into the path of your own insult, by jumping up and down critizing the opinions of others..
While I understand this is possible, how often does it actually happen?
it is not about noob frigates crushing veteran BS, you should know better than that if you are want to have an argument. it's about veteran players being caught unguarded on a industrial ship by a new player on a cruiser. or a veteran player on a interceptor and the new player on a destroyer, or many other combinations that end up on the same thing: a veteran player loosing his ship against a new player.
and that is only on 1vs1 situations. if the veteran player is alone and faces a group of 3 or 4 new players on cruisers and BC, unless the veteran player is very skilled or the new players really stupid, he will die.
about kiddies... dont know. i have met about 300 people on the months i have been playing, and all of them were 18 or older, except 1, who was 16, and was one of the best pvpers i've met.
and about expansions... bah, find another argument. every game (even offline games) promishes the moon while on developing stages, and when they finally come out, they only have half of the features that were planned, and the rest are added with expansions. look at swg, it released without spaceships!!!!! but would you say that Jump to Lightspeed wasnt an expansion? well, not only spaceships should have been on the original game, but they even made you pay for the expansion.
on the few months i have been playing, EVE has had 3 major expansions, and lots of lesser patches and fixes.
take this advice. dont speak things you dont know anything about. or like we say in spain "en boca cerrada no entran moscas"
(In England we say if you don't ask you won't learn. Probably not relevant for you since spanish people are all born knowing everything already).
Thanks for you kind reply. (and the same to the chap who posted after you), I didn't think that sort of thing where Newbs we all killing Veterans happened either. But I havent played this game as much as some, and I wanted to straighten that preconception of mine out.
As for 3 expansions, new content isn't an expansion. It is new content. Jump to Lightspeed was an Expansion. A lot of new content, so much that people were willing to pay extra to buy it on a disc from a shop.
Works every time.
Its going to die without you.