Originally posted by DemonknightI I'm not pissed I lost my ship the funny thing is you sound angrier than me cause you know I'm telling it like it is. I'm pissed I wasted time on this game.
What game mechanics does this game have that are even worth praising. Target ship, Click turret.... stay at certain range. lol
Just don't expect to see a whole influx of people coming to play this game cause IMHO it's a crappy game.
Thanks.
The wonderful thing about the internet is almost anyone can use it. A great thing about MMORPG.COM is they let anyone use it. The beauty of EVE Online is it filters out the lowest denominator that's obtained from the epeens we experiance on the net.
Even though I get concnered about someone who's unable to exhibit simple cognitive skills I'm glad those types are not common place in EVE.
Originally posted by Aethios There's a program to do the thinking for you, and it's advertised on the EVE website. Just like everything else in this game, skill is negated by automatic processes and doesn't even require you to be present. Just set up your skill, log out, and it makes a neat little sound when you level up.And when you log on you have the skills to fly that beautiful new X. too bad yeah you can't afford it since you weren't playing. Isk is more important in that game than SP after your first 2-3 WEEKS, yep thats about how long it takes you to be able to get the broad spectrum of useful skills to allow you to access the modules your need. Originally posted by SnaKey I don't think you know what Bookmarking is, it's no way related to macroing...... and for that matter you have no idea what "game mechanics" are. lol
I know what bookmarking and macroing are. If I thought the two were the same, I wouldn't have separated them and included them both in the same sentence.
When you make such assumptions, YOU look like a dumbass.
And as I said in my post One is a Bannable offense and the other takes you about 2 seconds to learn and master. and isn't a game mechanic, it's like saying that the autorun button is a game mechanic.
Originally posted by SnaKey SP means jack. I have 4.5mil SP. I kick ppl's asses all the time, I low sec gate camp (tank the sentry guns), and I rat in 0.0 in a 3mil ISK Cruiser with about 2mil worth of equipment.
It's easy for you to claim that SP means nothing when you're ganking newbs with 1/100th the SP you have. Then, in the next breath, you switch to currency figures. Where'd the skill points go? Sure, 5 million ISK isn't much to talk about, but you left out:
- How many SP you needed to fly said ship. - How long it took to get those SP. - How few SP you have NOT related to meeting absolute requirements. - What you were doing in the meantime.
I'd also like to point out that many of the in-game corporations (not just the big ones) require a set number of SP in order to join, usually 7 million or more. This goes to further prove that SP in fact DOES mean quite a bit, in relation to how successful your character will be.
And for the most part all of my kills where against players with more SP than me... Okay there was that one new player, that do to a misunderstanding, I killed about 5 times since I though he was a ore thief. besides that I usually try and pvp against people with greater SP or at least on the same playing field(hey 0.0 is wide open if I don't know you your dead, lost a few ships to friendlies because they hadn't gotten the word on who I was) Sure it sounds like griefing newbs but then again if you ever live in a 0.0 alliance you realize the danger that those new players can create as information is a weapon.
Well as a corp recruiter I will have to say that the 7mil SP is just plain BS. Spend some time in the recruitment channel and your most likely to see 1mil as the requirement or 15 days to make sure your on a paid account. Even besides that thier are alot more corps who will help out trial accounts mine included(with some minor restrictions).
Originally posted by SnaKey EVE isn't for Gankers and Griefers, it's about PVP at it's finest. Strategy, Strategy, Strategy. Every part of PVP revolves around Strategy. Logistics, Weapons, Equipment, Ships, Players, etc. etc.
If you want to consider gate-camping and kiting "strategy." In the real world, we call that griefing. Realistically, that's what most players are doing when they say they are "PvPing" in EVE.
Weapons, equipment, ships, etc etc, are ITEMS. Items are very different from strategy. If I wanted to min/max items all day, I'd go play WoW (or one of the other various EQ clones).
Yes fittings matter so do Items to some degree, knowing how to use them and when matters more. Also knowing the capabilities of enemies ships matter alot. You trick out a ship as much as you want and try and close on a NOS-Domi and watch as you die a quick death.
Originally posted by SnaKey I don't know of 1 single other MMO where Logistics even play a minor role in PVP
Have you PLAYED any other MMOs?! Every game that has PvP has better logistics than EVE. At least in other games I can control my character, instead of just pressing a few module buttons and walking away.
Get a dictionary. Logistics has absolutely no bearing on WASD or point and click. its not even anywhere close. Logistics for those not dictionary inclined involves the movement of supplies and war materials. An example of this would be ASCN currently with thier masterful logisitc and industrial base can actually fight a war of attrition. EVE to my knowledge is the only MMO that can do that at the moment(though there may be one that I don't know). Keeping your frontline units supplied and supported in EVE matters.
Originally posted by SnaKey where as EVE they play a major role........ just like real life wars.
Real-life wars suck. Why? It has nothing to do with skill. They build a missile, point it at an important building, press a button and go to lunch. Even the jets and helicopters are piloted by robots anymore.
Having said that, comparing EVE to real life makes me laugh out loud. I don't remember any real-life wars involving capitol ships, hybrid anti-matter rail guns, and warp drive destabilisers.
The ideas presented in your reply are ridiculous, SnaKey. You harrass people, call them stupid, tell them how badly they suck, and suggest they go play another game. The sad part is, you really fit in perfectly with most of the EVE crowd. People wonder why EVE only has 150k or so subscribers, and it really doesn't have THAT much to do with the game itself. It's the elitist "I'll be a jerk to everyone I meet because I have more SP" player base. I really have no interest in a game that holds me back, and won't let me catch up to the "elite" players, simply because I started playing after them, despite how hard I try or how much I play.
I'd also like to point out, that at any point during the day, RUNESCAPE HAS MORE PLAYERS CURRENTLY LOGGED IN THAN EVE HAS IN ITS ENTIRE SUBSCRIBER BASE. I can't stand Runescape, but it shows more merit and promise than EVE.
Yeah real wars suck, fought one, amazingly you can't just build a missle, point it at something and press a button. You need to make sure you have acurate data on the target(for some reason people get upset if you blow up a market place full of civilians you thought was a train complex), and numerous other things. Next time you want to say modern wars require no skills go fight one not just watch CNN. you wonder why EVE players get upset with players spouting off thier knowledge on the game, Same reason why most soldiers can't stand it when someone who didn't live it and saw the reports on TV start telling us how to do our Job.
Well, the OP has failed at his mission. After reading all of the rebuttals by the many folks who are well aquainted with the game and its mechanics... I'm actually interested enough to give it a 14 day trial... Maybe come Thanksgiving or Christmas Break when I'll have lots of free time...
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Originally posted by Kyleran Well, the OP has failed at his mission. After reading all of the rebuttals by the many folks who are well aquainted with the game and its mechanics... I'm actually interested enough to give it a 14 day trial... Maybe come Thanksgiving or Christmas Break when I'll have lots of free time...
Don't hesitate to send me a ingame mail or convo if you have any questions when you give it a shot. EVE does have a vertical learning curve and tiere is alot of stuff you won't know you don't know unless someone tells you.
I'm not going to bother following the point-by-point reply process that takes 6 pages and is impossible to follow. In short, everything you've written in reply is either a matter of opinion, completely irrelevant to the topic, or an insult. That's fine Nicoli. You can continue your "you don't like EVE so you must be a retard" campaign, but I'll be over here playing games with more strategy, more style, more substance, and more people who are willing to have an intelligent discussion.
Originally posted by Aethios It's easy for you to claim that SP means nothing when you're ganking newbs with 1/100th the SP you have.
If they have less than 1mil SP they shouldn't be where I'm camping, unless they know what they are doing. Either be it an alt or someone who was taught by another player. Most of the people probably have quite a bit MORE SP than me.
Then, in the next breath, you switch to currency figures. Where'd the skill points go? Sure, 5 million ISK isn't much to talk about, but you left out:
Less than 2 weeks skill training if you started out with a Miner char or something with none of those skills listed above already trained when you made your char. You can start your char out with your race's Frigates is already trained to lvl 4... which probably takes the longest of any of those.
And really... I don't even need the Med Energy Turret (Small Energy Turret lvl 3 is a prereq) because most of my dmg is done by drones.
- How few SP you have NOT related to meeting absolute requirements.
Sorry, please rephrase the question in English. Thank you.
- What you were doing in the meantime.
Ratting in 0.2 with a Frigate
I'd also like to point out that many of the in-game corporations (not just the big ones) require a set number of SP in order to join, usually 7 million or more. This goes to further prove that SP in fact DOES mean quite a bit, in relation to how successful your character will be.
1-3mil is usually the standard requirement for corps. Not 7mil. ALOT of corps will take anyone older than 15days. (and I'm not talking about shitty corps here)
Weapons, equipment, ships, etc etc, are ITEMS. Items are very different from strategy. If I wanted to min/max items all day, I'd go play WoW (or one of the other various EQ clones).
Items are all replacable. Even the very high lvl ones. Unlike in WoW, where it would take months and months (I'm not talking months and months as in feb-april... I'm talking about months in the form of time playing) to get the items back. I can easily beat someone fitted with all t2 equpiment with t1 equipment. I actually had one of my gate campers wtfpwnd by a frigate flying t1 equipment. (one of my buddies popped his ass later ).
Have you PLAYED any other MMOs?! Every game that has PvP has better logistics than EVE. At least in other games I can control my character, instead of just pressing a few module buttons and walking away.
I'm not quite sure what you think Logistics are. But Logistics means materials, supplies, equipment, etc. I don't think you need all your epics in one place in WoW or GW to be effective.
But anyway I have played: (I'll probably miss a few) WoW, GW, EVE, AO, DAoC, EQ, Horizons, KO, Planetside, RO, SoR, Second Life, Shadowbane, SWG, WWII:O, Fairyland, Monster & Me, MU Online, SR:O, Starport, Auto Assualt, Graal, Hostile Space, ATiTD 2, Dark Eden, Biosphere, Project Entropia, Neocron 2, Priston Tale, Runescape, Savage Eden, Tibia, Toontown Online, World of Pirates, 9 Dragons, Axion, Hero Online
Made it past half the levels (if not more) in: WoW, GW, AO, KO, Hero, Starport, AA, Hostile Space, Dark Eden, Biosphere, Planetside, Shadowbane, SWG, Fairyland, Monster & Me, MU Online, SR:O (not half levels, but I eventually made lvl 25... it's grindy as shit), Runescape (again same as SR:O.. think I made lvl 30), Project Entropia (no lvls, but played for awhile), Dark Eden.
But yeah.......... I don't think you even know what Logistics are. lmmfao.
Real-life wars suck. Why? It has nothing to do with skill. They build a missile, point it at an important building, press a button and go to lunch. Even the jets and helicopters are piloted by robots anymore.
Someone please call a paramedic, I think I might die from laughter. Join the military bro. I'm about to commission as on officer in the US Army. No fucking wonder you don't know what logistics are. I didn't read this last part untill just now. And I really am ashamed I took the time to reply to someone as mentally handicapped as you.
I'd also like to point out, that at any point during the day, RUNESCAPE HAS MORE PLAYERS CURRENTLY LOGGED IN THAN EVE HAS IN ITS ENTIRE SUBSCRIBER BASE. I can't stand Runescape, but it shows more merit and promise than EVE.
Right now there are 22,000 players logged onto EVE paying $15/mo (or so)
Originally posted by mindspat Originally posted by DemonknightI I'm not pissed I lost my ship the funny thing is you sound angrier than me cause you know I'm telling it like it is. I'm pissed I wasted time on this game.
What game mechanics does this game have that are even worth praising. Target ship, Click turret.... stay at certain range. lolJust don't expect to see a whole influx of people coming to play this game cause IMHO it's a crappy game.
Thanks.
The wonderful thing about the internet is almost anyone can use it. A great thing about MMORPG.COM is they let anyone use it. The beauty of EVE Online is it filters out the lowest denominator that's obtained from the epeens we experiance on the net.
Even though I get concnered about someone who's unable to exhibit simple cognitive skills I'm glad those types are not common place in EVE.
Apparently it filters out people who can spell too.
People prove you wrong about EVE's PvP requiring huge numbers of SP or giant blobs every day.
Thats pretty much all that needs to be said. Its not a game design problem that people who are bad at EVE get frustrated and quit - thats a game design success.
Originally posted by Nicoli Originally posted by Kyleran Well, the OP has failed at his mission. After reading all of the rebuttals by the many folks who are well aquainted with the game and its mechanics... I'm actually interested enough to give it a 14 day trial... Maybe come Thanksgiving or Christmas Break when I'll have lots of free time...
Don't hesitate to send me a ingame mail or convo if you have any questions when you give it a shot. EVE does have a vertical learning curve and tiere is alot of stuff you won't know you don't know unless someone tells you.
idk about Nicoli, but I'm a pirate. If that suits you better: My ingame name is Redart.
Also, if you the carebear type which in EVE Means: not a pirate, aka: You kill pirates... or anti-pvp (mining, trading, etc.) then you might want to check on the Adoption Channel after you learn the basics of the game. It's located in the Channels and Mailing lists tab.
Originally posted by Aethios Have you PLAYED any other MMOs?! Every game that has PvP has better logistics than EVE. At least in other games I can control my character, instead of just pressing a few module buttons and walking away.
Idk what logistics have to do with pressing buttons.
Dictionary.com lo·gis·tics (l-jstks, l-) n. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
1. The aspect of military operations that deals with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel. 2. The management of the details of an operation.
Originally posted by The-Raven I played Eve a lot longer than 2 months but I agree with the OP. I used to think that WoW had a lot of immature players in the game and on the boards but EvE players are exactly the same. I can not count the number of times the mature eve players have verbally raped someone on this board for not liking the game. Just look at the posts from eve players within THIS thread. Great job for showing us how mature eve players really are. Yup you sure do prove a point.
We're elitist, not immature. (And we're looking for a very low standard of elite - "Dont be a giant dumbass", which is unfortunately more then most people on the MMORPG forums can attain)
If this was a WoW thread, we'd have LOL U F4GZ 4 H4TIN W0W BST GAM EVAR! Which is the opposite - immature and pedestrian.
You can keep that. I like elitist. If you dont want to play the game because of the elitism, then its successful.
Originally posted by The-Raven I played Eve a lot longer than 2 months but I agree with the OP. I used to think that WoW had a lot of immature players in the game and on the boards but EvE players are exactly the same. I can not count the number of times the mature eve players have verbally raped someone on this board for not liking the game. Just look at the posts from eve players within THIS thread. Great job for showing us how mature eve players really are. Yup you sure do prove a point.
Personnally (I have a feeling I'm one of the people your talking about), I could care less if you dislike a game I like but at least dislike it for something thats right. I don't like WoW, one of the main reasons is that I have no way to really effect the world(creating buildings, capturing towns, etc...[not including TBC exp]), and most of my friends who play WoW understand that and don't try to argue with me that it does. But I bet If I said there was no way I could catch up to them in lvls they would get pretty verbal about that.
in another post I mentioned several of the things that are really wrong with EVE(T2 BPO lottery being one) that people should complain about because they are real problems that all but the insane can at least sit there and go "yeah I can see how that could be a issue." I more than happy to debate issues of the game but if you continue to throw things that I know to be false through practical experience then, yes, expect my patience to disappear very fast. I have no issues if you wish to bring up real issues with the game to war new players about, just don't bring in stuff that is either made up, out of context, or a misrepresentative sample and proclaim it to be the word of god.
Originally posted by HAMMERS38 i started off liking the game but what it all comes down to is mine, sell the minerals. repeat until you can get a cruiser. mine, sell the minerals. repeat until you can get a battleship etc. finally when you are at this level you can get podding people. i have moved onto pastures new and feel i have made a wise move.
Um I have *never* 'mined' other than during a corp mining op or two. I've been playing on and off (as you said) for a year myself. I think I'm on my 6th actual month of subscriptions now....
I was engaging in PVP by my 4th day... yes... my FOURTH day in EVE... and I did just fine too. In a frigate, not a cruiser. I hunted rats in the belts and I hunted player pirates too. I was careful not to engage anyone I knew would destroy me but I did take risks now and then. It's amazing what you can actually do in a T1 frigate when you learn how to use it and skill properly for it.
Yes, I had help: I read the forums and read the advice of other players and paid attention especially to what the pirates said. That's how I learned to both avoid, and kill them... mostly before ever even creating my character. (of course it did help that I'd played the beta but by the time I bought the game it was radically different from the beta so that doesn't really count).
I was never given money or ships or items. I PVP and PVE just fine. I only mined if my corp had a mining op going.... to this day (6 subscriber months and 1.3 yrs later) I do not own a 'true' mining ship... just an Osprey cruiser with some miner II's on it so that when there IS a mining op I actually have something to contribute.
I make money by selling loot I get from killing NPC Rats or from blowing up pirates foolish enough to attack me while ratting (some I have to run away from, of course). Not to mention the bounty money from both types of 'rats I buy pretty much whatever I need from my corp. No i'm not GIVEN anything free and never have been. Everything I have in EVE I earned... the hard way. Just not the BORING way.
Also just to prove to a friend that it's STILL possible to get into PVP and be successful almost from day 1 I recently grabbed a trial account. The account was 100% on it's own. All I had as 'extra' was my knowledge of the game. (which is a big advantage, I'll grant you). I created my character and went through the tutorial and the 16 missions from the agent to get to the storyline... then I went and did the faction mission chain from my 'diploma'. After all was said and done I had almost 700k SP. Had fitted a nasty little frigate and had 23 kills under my belt. (Remember... this is all on a 14 day trial). I ratted in lowsec, not 0.0 (trust me you don't want to rat in 0.0 in a frig unless you are all grown up) and made around 30mil ISK before my trial was up.
Suffice to say that in merely 14 days you CAN compete in the game and you CAN engage in meaningful PVP. In a corp you can even do more... oh yeah... did I mention? I never joined a corp with this character, just stayed in the npc starter corp.
So... sorry... anyone who thinks vets are somehow vastly more powerful than new players just doesn't understand the system. All a vet is, compared to a newer player, is more diversified. They can do more different things. But you can't fit any 1 ship to do all of them... and you can only fly 1 ship at a time.
A 3 month old player is perfectly capable of going toe to toe with a 3 year old player and killing them. Trust me... i've done it.
Edit: One last thing There are far far more NEW players in EVE than there are Veterans. Remember that merely a year ago there was less than 70k players in the game. Now there are over 170k players.... do the math. that's 100,000 new players, not counting vets who left the game and have been replaced by more new players....
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Originally posted by Kenobee A thread full of elitist bastards, go team!
Eve is a game for people that bought it at release.
Very true.
Can someone please explain this troll's post to me?
I've been playing 10 months. But should I quit now 'cs supposedly my success to date is due to a fabricated imagination?
One thing I *love* about EVE Online is it's political structure. As expressed by a few trolls in this thread, who lack the concept of war or logisitcs, many will never get a taste for it. It's *that* game play that takes EVE to an entirely new level once you've learned how to play.
And *carbears* are more specifically: players who will avoid PvP at all costs going as far as to logout immediately when someone enters a system or they will stay docked if there's anyone else there as well. The mine and produce items while maybe running missions. If they are caught actually fitting a warship they are *not* a carbear.
This is a good example of a noob thats uneducated in the world of Eve and, apparently, doesn't want to learn.
Example #1: Getting sniped by a BS while running missions. At 2 months its common knowledge that going though systems with a security status below 0.5 is bad (unless you have instas) and theres a good chance you will meet pirates. Most empire systems can be reached without going into low sec. systems or very few of them. His lack of wanting or inability to use resources like eve-online forums, help chat, or just adjusting his map settings electing to stay out of low sec. or systems where people have recently been killed shows that he is not willing to learn the world of Eve.
Example #2: All corps require you to have 7mil SP to join them. This is utterly and completely false. MOST corps DO require that you have a paying account though. Again, he could have used several resources that are easily accessable like the eve-online forums, where they have a section just for Recruitment, and the in-game 'Recruitment' chat channel. Again this is either his lack in willingness or his inability to to use the abandant resources available to learn the world of Eve.
Example #3: There is no chance in catching up to the 'elite' therefor I have no chance in competing [in Pvp] with them. Well, I am one of these 'elite' you speak of. I've played Eve for more then 3 years now and I'll tell you; the statement that a 2 month old player cant compete with a 3 year old player is complete BS! I have many times loss ships to players with MANY SP below me. Hell, yesterday I was beat be a 3 month old player. I was in a completly tech 2 fitted cruiser and he was in a tech 1 fitted cruiser. I out skilled him by roughly 30mil skill points and I STILL loss. Why? Because his fitting was superior to mine. Once again, this information could have been found in many, easily accessable places but the effort was not put into obtaining it.
I could go on with 5 pages of examples and places where you can find the proper information. Basically it boils down to, if your not willing to put in the time and effort to learn the game then you will get no where and end up quitting. Just like the OP and several others here, if they had taken the time to "learn the world of Eve" then they would not have had their problems.
PS. Feel lucky you didnt join Eve in the begining. Your new character starts out with roughly double the attributes mine did and double the skill points.
I never understood all of the "all there is to do is mine" posts. I mined with my corp when they had mining ops, but other than that, I didn't worry about mining. The missions are repetitive, and they need an overhaul (which I think they're getting) but the fact still remains this is the only mmorpg where the majority of the content in the game is player-driven.
It is the only game where you can actually deceive people. Just read about the Guiding Hands Social Club heist if you don't believe me.
It's possibly also the only game where you actually change the territories and geography of the game by taking over certain systems.
The game lacks in one area.... PVE. But then again, the developers made this game for player versus player interaction whether that be on the market or in combat or in manufacturing.
There are guides in the magazine written by players about how to be good at certain aspects of the game.
It's definitely a niche game, but you have to respect its free form and its amazing accomplishments with player-driven content.
What other game lets Corps(Guilds) usually do it create missions (quests) for players?
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Originally posted by HAMMERS38 Originally posted by DemonknightI This game had potential. The game is only for people who bought the game on release date. Everyone else is behind since the skill system is based on real-time and not on actual playing time. So you're making money in game which doesn't matter since you can either buy it online like most other MMOs or just have a "lifer" transfer you a bunch of money putting you ahead of everyone else.
I played this game for 2 months and quit recently. It's just not fun at all and not as rewarding as I thought it would be. It takes too long to even get into a position where you can do some pvping. I understand MMOs take time, but this game is just ridiculous. If I could of somehow raised my skills ingame faster I may still be playing it.
If you're new and thinking about playing this game don't bother. You're just going to waste a lot of time and be target practice for players who had the game since release. There's no way to compete unless you can form a gang with older members.
Ontop of that 80% of your time you're traveling to stargates or stations just to dock or use the jumpgate. Some missions had me traveling about 80km (which is like 10 minutes) to a jumpgate to start a mission??? WTF? Why do that? There's no reason and it's only certain missions that of course had big payoffs so it's not even consistent. The mdesigners just decided to throw in an absolutely unnecessary timekiller to piss you off... I thought I've seen the worst when it comes to timekilling ploys by MMO companies to keep people playing longer, but CCP you now have the crown.
How this is #1 is beyond me. I can only imagine that the person running this site likes the game...
sorry people but i have to agree with tihs guy. i played eve on and off for about a year and found that the most irritating ting in the game was being hit at jumpgates by people in battleships....what a challenge for them when i am flyiing a mammoth. also the general attitude of a lot of the players in the game totally sucked(as shown by snakey in this thread). personally i started off liking the game but what it all comes down to is mine, sell the minerals. repeat until you can get a cruiser. mine, sell the minerals. repeat until you can get a battleship etc. finally when you are at this level you can get podding people. i have moved onto pastures new and feel i have made a wise move.
A battlship? I have mush more success killling peps in a destroyer ( cormy rocks all the hell and gone with tech II guns and antimatter )
My setup: 7 125 mm tech II guns 2 tech II tracking comps 1 sensor booster 1 webber 1 tech II Magnetic stabilizer
There are not three hundred thousand individual people playing EVE Online.
If there were 80,000 individuals playing EVE Online, I'd be very suprised.
The truth is that we have absolutely no idea how many individual people are currently playing EVE Online. The best we have are some contradictory statements made about two months ago about accounts. One says 170,000, and another says 142,000 active accounts. The number of individual players playing those accounts is less, and the number of players who actually pay month by month, even less than that.
In short, whatever CCP indicates as far as interest in this game doesn't tell me a whole lot. How many alt accounts as opposed to new accounts? How many are playing via GTC paid for in ISK? What is the median turnover ratio, as opposed to mean retention ratio?
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Originally posted by Beatnik59 There are not three hundred thousand individual people playing EVE Online. If there were 80,000 individuals playing EVE Online, I'd be very suprised. The truth is that we have absolutely no idea how many individual people are currently playing EVE Online. The best we have are some contradictory statements made about two months ago about accounts. One says 170,000, and another says 142,000 active accounts. The number of individual players playing those accounts is less, and the number of players who actually pay month by month, even less than that. In short, whatever CCP indicates as far as interest in this game doesn't tell me a whole lot. How many alt accounts as opposed to new accounts? How many are playing via GTC paid for in ISK? What is the median turnover ratio, as opposed to mean retention ratio?
Is this actually what EVE whining is coming to? Arguing over statistics?
I'm the only one who plays EVE. EVE has one active account - mine. I pay for it with a GTC purchased with isk.
EVE is still a better game then most other mmogs, and the OP is still idiotic.
I don't know why so many of you even responded to this guy. He obviously didn't learn anything about the game in his 2 months and does not care. He posted here as troll bait, and you are feeding it too him.
Originally posted by DemonknightI This game had potential. The game is only for people who bought the game on release date. Everyone else is behind since the skill system is based on real-time and not on actual playing time. So you're making money in game which doesn't matter since you can either buy it online like most other MMOs or just have a "lifer" transfer you a bunch of money putting you ahead of everyone else.
I played this game for 2 months and quit recently. It's just not fun at all and not as rewarding as I thought it would be. It takes too long to even get into a position where you can do some pvping. I understand MMOs take time, but this game is just ridiculous. If I could of somehow raised my skills ingame faster I may still be playing it.
If you're new and thinking about playing this game don't bother. You're just going to waste a lot of time and be target practice for players who had the game since release. There's no way to compete unless you can form a gang with older members.
Ontop of that 80% of your time you're traveling to stargates or stations just to dock or use the jumpgate. Some missions had me traveling about 80km (which is like 10 minutes) to a jumpgate to start a mission??? WTF? Why do that? There's no reason and it's only certain missions that of course had big payoffs so it's not even consistent. The mdesigners just decided to throw in an absolutely unnecessary timekiller to piss you off... I thought I've seen the worst when it comes to timekilling ploys by MMO companies to keep people playing longer, but CCP you now have the crown.
How this is #1 is beyond me. I can only imagine that the person running this site likes the game...
Troll bait , i have been playing eveonline since early beta and still going strong regardless of what others say or think, let not forget were on the eve forums here and of course eveplayers come here let not start a war here that nobody will win
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The wonderful thing about the internet is almost anyone can use it. A great thing about MMORPG.COM is they let anyone use it. The beauty of EVE Online is it filters out the lowest denominator that's obtained from the epeens we experiance on the net.
Even though I get concnered about someone who's unable to exhibit simple cognitive skills I'm glad those types are not common place in EVE.
I know what bookmarking and macroing are. If I thought the two were the same, I wouldn't have separated them and included them both in the same sentence.
When you make such assumptions, YOU look like a dumbass.
And as I said in my post One is a Bannable offense and the other takes you about 2 seconds to learn and master. and isn't a game mechanic, it's like saying that the autorun button is a game mechanic.
It's easy for you to claim that SP means nothing when you're ganking newbs with 1/100th the SP you have. Then, in the next breath, you switch to currency figures. Where'd the skill points go? Sure, 5 million ISK isn't much to talk about, but you left out:
- How many SP you needed to fly said ship.
- How long it took to get those SP.
- How few SP you have NOT related to meeting absolute requirements.
- What you were doing in the meantime.
I'd also like to point out that many of the in-game corporations (not just the big ones) require a set number of SP in order to join, usually 7 million or more. This goes to further prove that SP in fact DOES mean quite a bit, in relation to how successful your character will be.
And for the most part all of my kills where against players with more SP than me... Okay there was that one new player, that do to a misunderstanding, I killed about 5 times since I though he was a ore thief. besides that I usually try and pvp against people with greater SP or at least on the same playing field(hey 0.0 is wide open if I don't know you your dead, lost a few ships to friendlies because they hadn't gotten the word on who I was) Sure it sounds like griefing newbs but then again if you ever live in a 0.0 alliance you realize the danger that those new players can create as information is a weapon.
Well as a corp recruiter I will have to say that the 7mil SP is just plain BS. Spend some time in the recruitment channel and your most likely to see 1mil as the requirement or 15 days to make sure your on a paid account. Even besides that thier are alot more corps who will help out trial accounts mine included(with some minor restrictions).
If you want to consider gate-camping and kiting "strategy." In the real world, we call that griefing. Realistically, that's what most players are doing when they say they are "PvPing" in EVE.
Weapons, equipment, ships, etc etc, are ITEMS. Items are very different from strategy. If I wanted to min/max items all day, I'd go play WoW (or one of the other various EQ clones).
Yes fittings matter so do Items to some degree, knowing how to use them and when matters more. Also knowing the capabilities of enemies ships matter alot. You trick out a ship as much as you want and try and close on a NOS-Domi and watch as you die a quick death.Have you PLAYED any other MMOs?! Every game that has PvP has better logistics than EVE. At least in other games I can control my character, instead of just pressing a few module buttons and walking away.
Get a dictionary. Logistics has absolutely no bearing on WASD or point and click. its not even anywhere close. Logistics for those not dictionary inclined involves the movement of supplies and war materials. An example of this would be ASCN currently with thier masterful logisitc and industrial base can actually fight a war of attrition. EVE to my knowledge is the only MMO that can do that at the moment(though there may be one that I don't know). Keeping your frontline units supplied and supported in EVE matters.
Real-life wars suck. Why? It has nothing to do with skill. They build a missile, point it at an important building, press a button and go to lunch. Even the jets and helicopters are piloted by robots anymore.
Having said that, comparing EVE to real life makes me laugh out loud. I don't remember any real-life wars involving capitol ships, hybrid anti-matter rail guns, and warp drive destabilisers.
The ideas presented in your reply are ridiculous, SnaKey. You harrass people, call them stupid, tell them how badly they suck, and suggest they go play another game. The sad part is, you really fit in perfectly with most of the EVE crowd. People wonder why EVE only has 150k or so subscribers, and it really doesn't have THAT much to do with the game itself. It's the elitist "I'll be a jerk to everyone I meet because I have more SP" player base. I really have no interest in a game that holds me back, and won't let me catch up to the "elite" players, simply because I started playing after them, despite how hard I try or how much I play.
I'd also like to point out, that at any point during the day, RUNESCAPE HAS MORE PLAYERS CURRENTLY LOGGED IN THAN EVE HAS IN ITS ENTIRE SUBSCRIBER BASE. I can't stand Runescape, but it shows more merit and promise than EVE.
Yeah real wars suck, fought one, amazingly you can't just build a missle, point it at something and press a button. You need to make sure you have acurate data on the target(for some reason people get upset if you blow up a market place full of civilians you thought was a train complex), and numerous other things. Next time you want to say modern wars require no skills go fight one not just watch CNN. you wonder why EVE players get upset with players spouting off thier knowledge on the game, Same reason why most soldiers can't stand it when someone who didn't live it and saw the reports on TV start telling us how to do our Job.
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Nicoli.
I'm not going to bother following the point-by-point reply process that takes 6 pages and is impossible to follow. In short, everything you've written in reply is either a matter of opinion, completely irrelevant to the topic, or an insult. That's fine Nicoli. You can continue your "you don't like EVE so you must be a retard" campaign, but I'll be over here playing games with more strategy, more style, more substance, and more people who are willing to have an intelligent discussion.
*Spaceship Command lvl 3
*Amarr Frigate lvl 4
*Amarr Cruiser lvl 1
*Gunnery lvl 3
*Small Energy Turret lvl 3
*Med Energy Turret lvl 1
*Drones lvl 5 (about a week training TOTAL)
*Mechanics lvl 2
*Repair lvl 1
*Missile Launcher Operation lvl 3
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Less than 2 weeks skill training if you started out with a Miner char or something with none of those skills listed above already trained when you made your char. You can start your char out with your race's Frigates is already trained to lvl 4... which probably takes the longest of any of those.And really... I don't even need the Med Energy Turret (Small Energy Turret lvl 3 is a prereq) because most of my dmg is done by drones.
Sorry, please rephrase the question in English. Thank you. Ratting in 0.2 with a Frigate
1-3mil is usually the standard requirement for corps. Not 7mil. ALOT of corps will take anyone older than 15days. (and I'm not talking about shitty corps here) Items are all replacable. Even the very high lvl ones. Unlike in WoW, where it would take months and months (I'm not talking months and months as in feb-april... I'm talking about months in the form of time playing) to get the items back. I can easily beat someone fitted with all t2 equpiment with t1 equipment. I actually had one of my gate campers wtfpwnd by a frigate flying t1 equipment. (one of my buddies popped his ass laterI'm not quite sure what you think Logistics are. But Logistics means materials, supplies, equipment, etc. I don't think you need all your epics in one place in WoW or GW to be effective.
But anyway I have played: (I'll probably miss a few)
WoW, GW, EVE, AO, DAoC, EQ, Horizons, KO, Planetside, RO, SoR, Second Life, Shadowbane, SWG, WWII:O, Fairyland, Monster & Me, MU Online, SR:O, Starport, Auto Assualt, Graal, Hostile Space, ATiTD 2, Dark Eden, Biosphere, Project Entropia, Neocron 2, Priston Tale, Runescape, Savage Eden, Tibia, Toontown Online, World of Pirates, 9 Dragons, Axion, Hero Online
Made it past half the levels (if not more) in:
WoW, GW, AO, KO, Hero, Starport, AA, Hostile Space, Dark Eden, Biosphere, Planetside, Shadowbane, SWG, Fairyland, Monster & Me, MU Online, SR:O (not half levels, but I eventually made lvl 25... it's grindy as shit), Runescape (again same as SR:O.. think I made lvl 30), Project Entropia (no lvls, but played for awhile), Dark Eden.
But yeah.......... I don't think you even know what Logistics are. lmmfao.
Someone please call a paramedic, I think I might die from laughter. Join the military bro. I'm about to commission as on officer in the US Army. No fucking wonder you don't know what logistics are. I didn't read this last part untill just now. And I really am ashamed I took the time to reply to someone as mentally handicapped as you.
Right now there are 22,000 players logged onto EVE paying $15/mo (or so)A Work in Progress.
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The wonderful thing about the internet is almost anyone can use it. A great thing about MMORPG.COM is they let anyone use it. The beauty of EVE Online is it filters out the lowest denominator that's obtained from the epeens we experiance on the net.
Even though I get concnered about someone who's unable to exhibit simple cognitive skills I'm glad those types are not common place in EVE.
Apparently it filters out people who can spell too.
Thats pretty much all that needs to be said. Its not a game design problem that people who are bad at EVE get frustrated and quit - thats a game design success.
I suggest that DemonKnight one accepts the private chat.
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idk about Nicoli, but I'm a pirate. If that suits you better:
My ingame name is Redart.
Also, if you the carebear type which in EVE Means: not a pirate, aka: You kill pirates... or anti-pvp (mining, trading, etc.) then you might want to check on the Adoption Channel after you learn the basics of the game. It's located in the Channels and Mailing lists tab.
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Idk what logistics have to do with pressing buttons.
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I played Eve a lot longer than 2 months but I agree with the OP.
I used to think that WoW had a lot of immature players in the game and on the boards but EvE players are exactly the same.
I can not count the number of times the mature eve players have verbally raped
someone on this board for not liking the game.
Just look at the posts from eve players within THIS thread.
Great job for showing us how mature eve players really are. Yup you sure do prove a point.
If this was a WoW thread, we'd have LOL U F4GZ 4 H4TIN W0W BST GAM EVAR! Which is the opposite - immature and pedestrian.
You can keep that. I like elitist. If you dont want to play the game because of the elitism, then its successful.
Go team.
Eve is a game for people that bought it at release.
Very true.
in another post I mentioned several of the things that are really wrong with EVE(T2 BPO lottery being one) that people should complain about because they are real problems that all but the insane can at least sit there and go "yeah I can see how that could be a issue." I more than happy to debate issues of the game but if you continue to throw things that I know to be false through practical experience then, yes, expect my patience to disappear very fast. I have no issues if you wish to bring up real issues with the game to war new players about, just don't bring in stuff that is either made up, out of context, or a misrepresentative sample and proclaim it to be the word of god.
Um
I have *never* 'mined' other than during a corp mining op or two. I've been playing on and off (as you said) for a year myself. I think I'm on my 6th actual month of subscriptions now....
I was engaging in PVP by my 4th day... yes... my FOURTH day in EVE... and I did just fine too. In a frigate, not a cruiser. I hunted rats in the belts and I hunted player pirates too. I was careful not to engage anyone I knew would destroy me but I did take risks now and then. It's amazing what you can actually do in a T1 frigate when you learn how to use it and skill properly for it.
Yes, I had help: I read the forums and read the advice of other players and paid attention especially to what the pirates said. That's how I learned to both avoid, and kill them... mostly before ever even creating my character. (of course it did help that I'd played the beta but by the time I bought the game it was radically different from the beta so that doesn't really count).
I was never given money or ships or items. I PVP and PVE just fine. I only mined if my corp had a mining op going.... to this day (6 subscriber months and 1.3 yrs later) I do not own a 'true' mining ship... just an Osprey cruiser with some miner II's on it so that when there IS a mining op I actually have something to contribute.
I make money by selling loot I get from killing NPC Rats or from blowing up pirates foolish enough to attack me while ratting (some I have to run away from, of course). Not to mention the bounty money from both types of 'rats
Also just to prove to a friend that it's STILL possible to get into PVP and be successful almost from day 1 I recently grabbed a trial account. The account was 100% on it's own. All I had as 'extra' was my knowledge of the game. (which is a big advantage, I'll grant you). I created my character and went through the tutorial and the 16 missions from the agent to get to the storyline... then I went and did the faction mission chain from my 'diploma'. After all was said and done I had almost 700k SP. Had fitted a nasty little frigate and had 23 kills under my belt. (Remember... this is all on a 14 day trial). I ratted in lowsec, not 0.0 (trust me you don't want to rat in 0.0 in a frig unless you are all grown up) and made around 30mil ISK before my trial was up.
Suffice to say that in merely 14 days you CAN compete in the game and you CAN engage in meaningful PVP. In a corp you can even do more... oh yeah... did I mention? I never joined a corp with this character, just stayed in the npc starter corp.
So... sorry... anyone who thinks vets are somehow vastly more powerful than new players just doesn't understand the system. All a vet is, compared to a newer player, is more diversified. They can do more different things. But you can't fit any 1 ship to do all of them... and you can only fly 1 ship at a time.
A 3 month old player is perfectly capable of going toe to toe with a 3 year old player and killing them. Trust me... i've done it.
Edit: One last thing
There are far far more NEW players in EVE than there are Veterans. Remember that merely a year ago there was less than 70k players in the game. Now there are over 170k players.... do the math. that's 100,000 new players, not counting vets who left the game and have been replaced by more new players....
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Can someone please explain this troll's post to me?
I've been playing 10 months. But should I quit now 'cs supposedly my success to date is due to a fabricated imagination?
One thing I *love* about EVE Online is it's political structure. As expressed by a few trolls in this thread, who lack the concept of war or logisitcs, many will never get a taste for it. It's *that* game play that takes EVE to an entirely new level once you've learned how to play.
And *carbears* are more specifically: players who will avoid PvP at all costs going as far as to logout immediately when someone enters a system or they will stay docked if there's anyone else there as well. The mine and produce items while maybe running missions. If they are caught actually fitting a warship they are *not* a carbear.
This is a good example of a noob thats uneducated in the world of Eve and, apparently, doesn't want to learn.
Example #1: Getting sniped by a BS while running missions.
At 2 months its common knowledge that going though systems with a security status below 0.5 is bad (unless you have instas) and theres a good chance you will meet pirates. Most empire systems can be reached without going into low sec. systems or very few of them. His lack of wanting or inability to use resources like eve-online forums, help chat, or just adjusting his map settings electing to stay out of low sec. or systems where people have recently been killed shows that he is not willing to learn the world of Eve.
Example #2: All corps require you to have 7mil SP to join them.
This is utterly and completely false. MOST corps DO require that you have a paying account though. Again, he could have used several resources that are easily accessable like the eve-online forums, where they have a section just for Recruitment, and the in-game 'Recruitment' chat channel. Again this is either his lack in willingness or his inability to to use the abandant resources available to learn the world of Eve.
Example #3: There is no chance in catching up to the 'elite' therefor I have no chance in competing [in Pvp] with them.
Well, I am one of these 'elite' you speak of. I've played Eve for more then 3 years now and I'll tell you; the statement that a 2 month old player cant compete with a 3 year old player is complete BS! I have many times loss ships to players with MANY SP below me. Hell, yesterday I was beat be a 3 month old player. I was in a completly tech 2 fitted cruiser and he was in a tech 1 fitted cruiser. I out skilled him by roughly 30mil skill points and I STILL loss. Why? Because his fitting was superior to mine. Once again, this information could have been found in many, easily accessable places but the effort was not put into obtaining it.
I could go on with 5 pages of examples and places where you can find the proper information. Basically it boils down to, if your not willing to put in the time and effort to learn the game then you will get no where and end up quitting. Just like the OP and several others here, if they had taken the time to "learn the world of Eve" then they would not have had their problems.
PS. Feel lucky you didnt join Eve in the begining. Your new character starts out with roughly double the attributes mine did and double the skill points.
It is the only game where you can actually deceive people. Just read about the Guiding Hands Social Club heist if you don't believe me.
It's possibly also the only game where you actually change the territories and geography of the game by taking over certain systems.
The game lacks in one area.... PVE. But then again, the developers made this game for player versus player interaction whether that be on the market or in combat or in manufacturing.
There are guides in the magazine written by players about how to be good at certain aspects of the game.
It's definitely a niche game, but you have to respect its free form and its amazing accomplishments with player-driven content.
What other game lets Corps(Guilds) usually do it create missions (quests) for players?
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sorry people but i have to agree with tihs guy. i played eve on and off for about a year and found that the most irritating ting in the game was being hit at jumpgates by people in battleships....what a challenge for them when i am flyiing a mammoth. also the general attitude of a lot of the players in the game totally sucked(as shown by snakey in this thread). personally i started off liking the game but what it all comes down to is mine, sell the minerals. repeat until you can get a cruiser. mine, sell the minerals. repeat until you can get a battleship etc. finally when you are at this level you can get podding people. i have moved onto pastures new and feel i have made a wise move.
A battlship? I have mush more success killling peps in a destroyer ( cormy rocks all the hell and gone with tech II guns and antimatter )
My setup:
7 125 mm tech II guns
2 tech II tracking comps
1 sensor booster
1 webber
1 tech II Magnetic stabilizer
Have faith in God, believe in antimatter.
There are not three hundred thousand individual people playing EVE Online.
If there were 80,000 individuals playing EVE Online, I'd be very suprised.
The truth is that we have absolutely no idea how many individual people are currently playing EVE Online. The best we have are some contradictory statements made about two months ago about accounts. One says 170,000, and another says 142,000 active accounts. The number of individual players playing those accounts is less, and the number of players who actually pay month by month, even less than that.
In short, whatever CCP indicates as far as interest in this game doesn't tell me a whole lot. How many alt accounts as opposed to new accounts? How many are playing via GTC paid for in ISK? What is the median turnover ratio, as opposed to mean retention ratio?
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I'm the only one who plays EVE. EVE has one active account - mine. I pay for it with a GTC purchased with isk.
EVE is still a better game then most other mmogs, and the OP is still idiotic.
So glad we sorted that out.
Troll bait , i have been playing eveonline since early beta and still going strong regardless of what others say or think, let not forget were on the eve forums here and of course eveplayers come here let not start a war here that nobody will win
Just have fun in whatever game your playing and you like , that stands for everyone.