so the guy lost a ship while trying to dock. well why was a he, a 2 month character doing in a area that allows that? he obviously didn't go there to pvp so why was he there. next he mentions that he had to fly to a jumpgate for a mission. the autopilot warps you to 15km from the gate unless you are out of cap. if it was an acceleration gate, you can warp to it using your journal. i think someone needs to read up more on how to play the game.
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Oh, because that's impossible unless you have 10 other newbs with you. EVE is not counterstrike where you can log in, spawn and immediately have nearly all the advantages of a veteran player. At first, it requires teamwork and confidence building as you get your feet wet in pvp.
Its not impossible either as I've killed or chased off a player with much more game time and experience than me in 1v1 when they were flying T2 and me with T1 no less. I've personally harrassed a gatecamp of mixed ships off of a gate with just a T1 destroyer! I've been ganked by many veterans while managing to kill one of them before I went down myself. My character only had about 3 months of combat training at those mentioned times.
Originally posted by RollinDutch Originally posted by The-Raven I played Eve a lot longer than 2 months but I agree with the OP. I used to think that WoW had a lot of immature players in the game and on the boards but EvE players are exactly the same. I can not count the number of times the mature eve players have verbally raped someone on this board for not liking the game. Just look at the posts from eve players within THIS thread. Great job for showing us how mature eve players really are. Yup you sure do prove a point.
We're elitist, not immature. (And we're looking for a very low standard of elite - "Dont be a giant dumbass", which is unfortunately more then most people on the MMORPG forums can attain)
If this was a WoW thread, we'd have LOL U F4GZ 4 H4TIN W0W BST GAM EVAR! Which is the opposite - immature and pedestrian.
You can keep that. I like elitist. If you dont want to play the game because of the elitism, then its successful.
Go team. Elitists, rofl
There's nothing elite in this game. If you wanted to you could join a corp, get money from them, and then simple toggle skills every now and then. You wouldn't even have to play the game.....That's what's so sad about Eve.
I don't think Eve players are immature at all tho. The encounters I've had with players in-game (not including posters in this thread) have been mostly intelligent people helping me out. Unforunately there's nothing you can do to help a newb out in this game beyond maybe letting them tag along in a ganking squad.
Originally posted by Fade so the guy lost a ship while trying to dock. well why was a he, a 2 month character doing in a area that allows that? he obviously didn't go there to pvp so why was he there. next he mentions that he had to fly to a jumpgate for a mission. the autopilot warps you to 15km from the gate unless you are out of cap. if it was an acceleration gate, you can warp to it using your journal. i think someone needs to read up more on how to play the game.
How many times do I have to say this to people before they actually realize that this particular mission warps you about 80km from the jumpgate for no reason. That was my whole problem....Most warps take you to 15 km so why in god's name did this mission have you warp 80km just so you could sit there for 15 minutes waiting to start a missions as if docking and jumping wasn't bad enough.
Originally posted by DemonknightI Unforunately there's nothing you can do to help a newb out in this game beyond maybe letting them tag along in a ganking squad.
Originally posted by daeandor I don't know why so many of you even responded to this guy. He obviously didn't learn anything about the game in his 2 months and does not care. He posted here as troll bait, and you are feeding it too him.
I learned quite a bit about the game. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I just decided I'm wasting my time since I'm always going to be lightyears behind people that have had the game for over a year.
Like another post stated, this game is for players who have had the game since release.
Originally posted by SnaKey Originally posted by DemonknightI Unforunately there's nothing you can do to help a newb out in this game beyond maybe letting them tag along in a ganking squad.
So you didn't read the thread at all then?
Figures.
There's was nothing disproving my point really. Some guy posted about having a crappy fitted ship. Well obviously he's simply an idiot for running around in a tech 2 ship with no good equipment so he deserved to get owned.
In 95% of the cases you're going to be up against people with better equipment and better ships and those players are most likely going to have light years of SP ahead of you.
thanks for coming back snakey I was beginning to think you left your computer. I got nervous.
Originally posted by DemonknightI There's was nothing disproving my point really. Some guy posted about having a crappy fitted ship. Well obviously he's simply an idiot for running around in a tech 2 ship with no good equipment so he deserved to get owned.In 95% of the cases you're going to be up against people with better equipment and better ships and those players are most likely going to have light years of SP ahead of you.
So you didn't read the thread at all then?
Figures.
Originally posted by DemonknightI thanks for coming back snakey I was beginning to think you left your computer. I got nervous.
If that's a joke about my social life.... then you obviously didn't check my sig.
Oh, because that's impossible unless you have 10 other newbs with you.
That is more or less true (you might be able to pull it off with less). But tell me, is there any other MMO that allows new players to gang on and defeat a smaller group of vets?
To be honest demonknight, I don't think you really gave the game a chance. There is a lot to do in EvE, you just have to go and try it out. Don't be afraid of losses and take risks. EvE is not like WoW. It doesn't hold your hand. It won't give you tons of stuff do to. It's not a grind, it's not linear. As someone has said earlier, it's a sandbox empire building pvp game.
The stuff you can do ingame is almost endless. You can run missions, trade, mine, go pirating, or build an empire and control entire regions of space.
People complain becuase they feel like they can't compete with vets. But that's true in any game. In WoW, a level 10 can't beat a level 60 with epics on, ever. In EvE a 3 month old player can take down a 3 year old player. No, it's not easy to do that, but then again, the level 10 WoW character has no chance and will get 1 shotted no matter what. And think about it, where else can a relatively new player be as useful as you can be in EvE? Do you see level 10s going on BWL raides with level 60s? Yet in EvE you'll often find players flying the cheapest ships in fleet battles involving captial ships worth blillions of isks.
EvE has a very tough learning curve. You're don't really feel useful until you've played for a few weeks and it can take months to get to where you want to be. But that's part of the fun. The journey. Building your character, learning new things, flying new ships. That's fun.
I know some EvE players may appear to be elitist. But that just goes to show how much they love the game. It really is great if you give it a chance. There are a lot of great people in the game who will give you hours of their time to help you along. Take advantage of all those. If you don't like, then don't like it. Give it a fair shot. No game is perfect.
Yes, the biggest flaw of the skill system in EVE is fitting skills.
You cannot fit a competent pvp ship until you have level 5 in engineering and electronics. Four or Five in adv. gunnery fitting skill is pretty important too. This can take months, and most folks have a multi-million isk clone to lose before they really want to try pvp.
You can't even fit a frigate properly without perfect fitting skills. If anything, fitting skills should be hull-specific if they are needed at all.
I also think that t2 guns and ammo were a bad idea given how few people participate in pvp. All T2 is essential uber gear. If stuff was specialized instead of +1 cookiecutter, then we'd have a game that embraced new people.
They are even adding more fitting skills to ECM. Probably for nos next. It's so retarded sometimes.
I still enjoy this game greatly, but I am constantly disappointed with pvp at the mesoscale.
Sometime it seems like not one single sci-fi novel was ever translated into icelandic.
I have moved onto pastures new and feel i have made a wise move.
Just out of curiosity; Which pastures did you go to?
In stead of criticizing everyone else for not actually liking Eve and having different tastes... How about explaining Eves combat system more? Someone said something about rock,paper,scissors? Orbiting to dodge or something? Explain y a newcomer ( and generally how long he'd have to play ) before he'd be even with a 2 year veteran ( who chooses not to use his best ship ) ?
Personally, everything else about Eve sounds boring to me... Combat looks boring as well, but the talk about it has sparked an interest, because all I see on the videos are *Pew Pew Pew* and *Boom* after 10 or so mins and the ships seems to move at a snails crawl while that's happening...
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I played Eve a lot longer than 2 months but I agree with the OP. I used to think that WoW had a lot of immature players in the game and on the boards but EvE players are exactly the same. I can not count the number of times the mature eve players have verbally raped someone on this board for not liking the game. Just look at the posts from eve players within THIS thread. Great job for showing us how mature eve players really are. Yup you sure do prove a point.
We're elitist, not immature. (And we're looking for a very low standard of elite - "Dont be a giant dumbass", which is unfortunately more then most people on the MMORPG forums can attain)
If this was a WoW thread, we'd have LOL U F4GZ 4 H4TIN W0W BST GAM EVAR! Which is the opposite - immature and pedestrian.
You can keep that. I like elitist. If you dont want to play the game because of the elitism, then its successful.
Go team.
ELITIST??? come back when you have removed your head from you a**e. bit arrogant dont you think. if you were so elitist then you wouldnt have bothered answering this thread as it would be so far below you..
think you need to step back and take a good long hard look at yourself.....nob.
I played Eve a lot longer than 2 months but I agree with the OP. I used to think that WoW had a lot of immature players in the game and on the boards but EvE players are exactly the same. I can not count the number of times the mature eve players have verbally raped someone on this board for not liking the game. Just look at the posts from eve players within THIS thread. Great job for showing us how mature eve players really are. Yup you sure do prove a point.
well said, sums it all up really. thats the reason i stopped playing.
Just to dispell a few myths. You don't need huge amount of skill points to PvP in this game. You don't need perfect fitting skills to have an effective PvP frigate setup. There are a number of corporations which specialise in teaching new and low SP players how to PvP effectively against anyone, including players who have been in the game since day 1. If the SP wishes to contact 'Agony Unleashed' (of which I am a member) in game then we'll show him how to have fun in PvP with very low skills (less than 1 million).
If you want to be a solo player who is able to take on practicaly anything and always win then this is not the game for you. If you have the wrong fittings or get caught in the wrong situation, a 3 year player with the best ship in the world can be taken down by a 1 month old player. Then again, if the boot is on the other foot the 3 year old player will take out the new player very easily.
Eve, more than any game I have played, rewards getting together with other players. It's not essential but will make your enjoyment that much better as it opens up so much more of the game. If you want to be the solo daddy of everyone then you won't find that here. If you want to get together with some people, use some knowledge and think out of the box then there is a lot of PvP fun to be had very very early on in the game.
"If you're new and thinking about playing this game don't bother. You're just going to waste a lot of time and be target practice for players who had the game since release. There's no way to compete unless you can form a gang with older members."
Why don't you form a gang with older players then? Why do you want to progress fast? Aren't you tired of Grinding games in which people macro and when you talk to them they respond like NPCs?
EVE in my opinion is different and it must be that way. I play for 1 month and some days and after getting my ass kicked from more experienced players by doing endless jump missions in low security areas, i realised that EVE is a true PVP sandbox game. I stopped doing Agent missions and i play my own way.
Yes i agree with you that this time based skill system is a little boring But on the other hand when you have not time to grind for 8 hours a day to be stronger faster, this time based skill System is a good solution. Every one that is out there (with a few exceptions) really does something.
If you leave EVE now you may find more fast progressing Games but if you think that in 2 months you will be able to fight as good as a player that plays years please tell me so.
Also Please tell me one game in which you have found people that play for 2 or 3 years and still log in to play and manage their Guilds (corporations) path. I saw that in EVE and in Ultima online only.
Originally posted by Fade so the guy lost a ship while trying to dock. well why was a he, a 2 month character doing in a area that allows that? he obviously didn't go there to pvp so why was he there. next he mentions that he had to fly to a jumpgate for a mission. the autopilot warps you to 15km from the gate unless you are out of cap. if it was an acceleration gate, you can warp to it using your journal. i think someone needs to read up more on how to play the game.
How many times do I have to say this to people before they actually realize that this particular mission warps you about 80km from the jumpgate for no reason. That was my whole problem....Most warps take you to 15 km so why in god's name did this mission have you warp 80km just so you could sit there for 15 minutes waiting to start a missions as if docking and jumping wasn't bad enough.
Actually, i know what mission you're talking about.
It has 3 parts. This is part 2, in which you get warped like 80 or soemthing km from the gate. But you're not supposed to go through the gate. You have to wait a while for some NPCs to "warp in", and destroy them first. Then you go back to your agent and get part 3 of the mission, in which you DO warp right on top of that warpgate, and go through and kill... etc etc...
To those saying they find PVP lacking unless you have lots and lots of SP... hear this:
A friend of mine recently rejoined EVE... and made a new char. My main char is stuck in 0.0 in a war, so i cant get back, so i bring out my (macrominer killing) suicide alt, who's only skill that i bothered training on it (other than the skills he started with) was i think Caldari Frig 3 to fly the Kestrel. Both of us went PVPing on my friend's 2nd day in game (and it was the 2nd day as opposed to the 1st because he needed to train for the Warp Scrambler and webber).
We almost took out a Raven.
Yep. A raven... you know... 100mil ISK... Caldari Battleship...
If it wasnt for a friend of his who came later in a Crow (interceptor), we would've killed the raven. Easily.
In defense of the Raven pilot (maybe?).. my suicide alt IS several months old... even tho he has less than a day worth of training on him... so the age might have been a bit intimidating... but it doesnt detract much from the fact that Incursis + Kestrel > that Raven.
When you're new to the game, although you dont have much money, it doesnt take much time to kill NPCs to get the money back if you do lose your ship. Later, although it is possible to kill much more expensive NPCs that gives you 1mil ISK+ bounty per kill, you still need to kill about 100 to 200 to replace that battleship (+ fittings... actually, when using Tech2 mods, MOSTLY fittings) you just lost...
Originally posted by Beatnik59 There are not three hundred thousand individual people playing EVE Online. If there were 80,000 individuals playing EVE Online, I'd be very suprised. The truth is that we have absolutely no idea how many individual people are currently playing EVE Online. The best we have are some contradictory statements made about two months ago about accounts. One says 170,000, and another says 142,000 active accounts. The number of individual players playing those accounts is less, and the number of players who actually pay month by month, even less than that. In short, whatever CCP indicates as far as interest in this game doesn't tell me a whole lot. How many alt accounts as opposed to new accounts? How many are playing via GTC paid for in ISK? What is the median turnover ratio, as opposed to mean retention ratio?
WHO CARES? Good lord stop bringing this to the table Beatnik. EVERY MMO has alt accounts. Christ my brother had 7 in EQ. Your point is completely invalid.
The last ACCURATE number from an EVE news release was 170,000 unique ACCOUNTS. And the record is somewhere north of 30k players online simultaneously.
Beyond that it just doesn't f'ing matter. I play with 20,000-30,000 other people in EVE when I am online. I will never see all of them at once because the universe is so big but their actions and mine do impact folks I will never meet in the game.
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Originally posted by SnaKey It has 300k subscribers (more than SWG ever had). 30k online at one time is the record.
When the fanbois post stuff like this, someone has got to set the record straight Taram.
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Oh, because that's impossible unless you have 10 other newbs with you.
That is more or less true (you might be able to pull it off with less). But tell me, is there any other MMO that allows new players to gang on and defeat a smaller group of vets?
One of the beauties of EVE.
Actually a newer player (not total newb) can take on a vet 1 on 1 and win. Depends on their ship, what skills they chose to train, and what the vet is flying and what they're specialized in.
A 3 month player can easily outfly a vet if they are in a ship they specialized for and the vet isn't. In equally specialized ships, sure the vet will win. But bring 1, maybe 2, friends along and you can obbliterate the vet even with his advantage in that situation.
I really am sick of people who have never even engaged in real PVP in EVE trying to wax intelligent on an aspect of the game they have truely never experienced beyond possibly being ganked by some asshats camping a lowsec gate. Just a hint: Getting ganked at a gate is NOT what PVP is like. Sure it's an aspect of it but if you get in a fight even a fleet battle, the vets die just like everyone else.
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Originally posted by micona Originally posted by DemonknightI This game had potential. The game is only for people who bought the game on release date. Everyone else is behind since the skill system is based on real-time and not on actual playing time. So you're making money in game which doesn't matter since you can either buy it online like most other MMOs or just have a "lifer" transfer you a bunch of money putting you ahead of everyone else.
I played this game for 2 months and quit recently. It's just not fun at all and not as rewarding as I thought it would be. It takes too long to even get into a position where you can do some pvping. I understand MMOs take time, but this game is just ridiculous. If I could of somehow raised my skills ingame faster I may still be playing it.
If you're new and thinking about playing this game don't bother. You're just going to waste a lot of time and be target practice for players who had the game since release. There's no way to compete unless you can form a gang with older members.
Ontop of that 80% of your time you're traveling to stargates or stations just to dock or use the jumpgate. Some missions had me traveling about 80km (which is like 10 minutes) to a jumpgate to start a mission??? WTF? Why do that? There's no reason and it's only certain missions that of course had big payoffs so it's not even consistent. The mdesigners just decided to throw in an absolutely unnecessary timekiller to piss you off... I thought I've seen the worst when it comes to timekilling ploys by MMO companies to keep people playing longer, but CCP you now have the crown.
How this is #1 is beyond me. I can only imagine that the person running this site likes the game...
Troll bait , i have been playing eveonline since early beta and still going strong regardless of what others say or think, let not forget were on the eve forums here and of course eveplayers come here let not start a war here that nobody will win
Just have fun in whatever game your playing and you like , that stands for everyone.
You just proved the guys point.
I also played in beta and the game was then and is now a glorified "Trade Wars" game that EVERYONE who starts, will be so far behind anyone playing arlready, will be lucky to catch up to anyone else. The only reason others want people to play is for easy marks.
Troll bait? The guy speaks the truth.
As to the population? Lets see, DAoC has about 30-40k people online and guess what, that game's not to popular either. It's funny how the EvE people think that 30k is a big marker. 300k subscribers? Heh, right.
Originally posted by Beatnik59 Originally posted by SnaKey It has 300k subscribers (more than SWG ever had). 30k online at one time is the record.
When the fanbois post stuff like this, someone has got to set the record straight Taram.
While snakey's statement was a bit over the top (Actually I LOL'd when I read it) his point is valid. The OP had said only 30k people play the game when the 30k figure is the number of people that are online at a time, not the number of people who play.
But you keep coming back with this idiotic arguement about how many of the accounts are alts blah blah. Nobody really cares. The only thing that matters to me is that when I play there are a crapload of other players out there to interact with.
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2 month character doing in a area that allows that? he obviously
didn't go there to pvp so why was he there. next he mentions that
he had to fly to a jumpgate for a mission. the autopilot warps
you to 15km from the gate unless you are out of cap. if it was an
acceleration gate, you can warp to it using your journal. i
think someone needs to read up more on how to play the game.
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EVE is not counterstrike where you can log in, spawn and immediately have nearly all the advantages of a veteran player. At first, it requires teamwork and confidence building as you get your feet wet in pvp.
Its not impossible either as I've killed or chased off a player with much more game time and experience than me in 1v1 when they were flying T2 and me with T1 no less. I've personally harrassed a gatecamp of mixed ships off of a gate with just a T1 destroyer! I've been ganked by many veterans while managing to kill one of them before I went down myself. My character only had about 3 months of combat training at those mentioned times.
If this was a WoW thread, we'd have LOL U F4GZ 4 H4TIN W0W BST GAM EVAR! Which is the opposite - immature and pedestrian.
You can keep that. I like elitist. If you dont want to play the game because of the elitism, then its successful.
Go team.
Elitists, rofl
There's nothing elite in this game. If you wanted to you could join a corp, get money from them, and then simple toggle skills every now and then. You wouldn't even have to play the game.....That's what's so sad about Eve.
I don't think Eve players are immature at all tho. The encounters I've had with players in-game (not including posters in this thread) have been mostly intelligent people helping me out. Unforunately there's nothing you can do to help a newb out in this game beyond maybe letting them tag along in a ganking squad.
So you didn't read the thread at all then?
Figures.
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Like another post stated, this game is for players who have had the game since release.
So you didn't read the thread at all then?
Figures.
There's was nothing disproving my point really. Some guy posted about having a crappy fitted ship. Well obviously he's simply an idiot for running around in a tech 2 ship with no good equipment so he deserved to get owned.
In 95% of the cases you're going to be up against people with better equipment and better ships and those players are most likely going to have light years of SP ahead of you.
thanks for coming back snakey I was beginning to think you left your computer. I got nervous.
So you didn't read the thread at all then?
Figures.
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That is more or less true (you might be able to pull it off with less). But tell me, is there any other MMO that allows new players to gang on and defeat a smaller group of vets?
One of the beauties of EVE.
Sure does take a long time to kick some ass in EVE.
Here is what an EVE Vet wrote to me on my comments @ GorgeousGamers
I had suggested abunch of us get together and make trial accounts, train them up for a week, then go out the next weekend and wtfpwn some ppl.
"Artel
Posted: 11/01/2006 12:18 am Artel
Dude, when are we doing that EVE trial griefing? I was looking forward to that
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The stuff you can do ingame is almost endless. You can run missions, trade, mine, go pirating, or build an empire and control entire regions of space.
People complain becuase they feel like they can't compete with vets. But that's true in any game. In WoW, a level 10 can't beat a level 60 with epics on, ever. In EvE a 3 month old player can take down a 3 year old player. No, it's not easy to do that, but then again, the level 10 WoW character has no chance and will get 1 shotted no matter what. And think about it, where else can a relatively new player be as useful as you can be in EvE? Do you see level 10s going on BWL raides with level 60s? Yet in EvE you'll often find players flying the cheapest ships in fleet battles involving captial ships worth blillions of isks.
EvE has a very tough learning curve. You're don't really feel useful until you've played for a few weeks and it can take months to get to where you want to be. But that's part of the fun. The journey. Building your character, learning new things, flying new ships. That's fun.
I know some EvE players may appear to be elitist. But that just goes to show how much they love the game. It really is great if you give it a chance. There are a lot of great people in the game who will give you hours of their time to help you along. Take advantage of all those. If you don't like, then don't like it. Give it a fair shot. No game is perfect.
You cannot fit a competent pvp ship until you have level 5 in engineering and electronics. Four or Five in adv. gunnery fitting skill is pretty important too. This can take months, and most folks have a multi-million isk clone to lose before they really want to try pvp.
You can't even fit a frigate properly without perfect fitting skills. If anything, fitting skills should be hull-specific if they are needed at all.
I also think that t2 guns and ammo were a bad idea given how few people participate in pvp. All T2 is essential uber gear. If stuff was specialized instead of +1 cookiecutter, then we'd have a game that embraced new people.
They are even adding more fitting skills to ECM. Probably for nos next. It's so retarded sometimes.
I still enjoy this game greatly, but I am constantly disappointed with pvp at the mesoscale.
Sometime it seems like not one single sci-fi novel was ever translated into icelandic.
In stead of criticizing everyone else for not actually liking Eve and having different tastes... How about explaining Eves combat system more? Someone said something about rock,paper,scissors? Orbiting to dodge or something? Explain y a newcomer ( and generally how long he'd have to play ) before he'd be even with a 2 year veteran ( who chooses not to use his best ship ) ?
Personally, everything else about Eve sounds boring to me... Combat looks boring as well, but the talk about it has sparked an interest, because all I see on the videos are *Pew Pew Pew* and *Boom* after 10 or so mins and the ships seems to move at a snails crawl while that's happening...
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If this was a WoW thread, we'd have LOL U F4GZ 4 H4TIN W0W BST GAM EVAR! Which is the opposite - immature and pedestrian.
You can keep that. I like elitist. If you dont want to play the game because of the elitism, then its successful.
Go team.
ELITIST??? come back when you have removed your head from you a**e. bit arrogant dont you think. if you were so elitist then you wouldnt have bothered answering this thread as it would be so far below you..
think you need to step back and take a good long hard look at yourself.....nob.
If you want to be a solo player who is able to take on practicaly anything and always win then this is not the game for you. If you have the wrong fittings or get caught in the wrong situation, a 3 year player with the best ship in the world can be taken down by a 1 month old player. Then again, if the boot is on the other foot the 3 year old player will take out the new player very easily.
Eve, more than any game I have played, rewards getting together with other players. It's not essential but will make your enjoyment that much better as it opens up so much more of the game. If you want to be the solo daddy of everyone then you won't find that here. If you want to get together with some people, use some knowledge and think out of the box then there is a lot of PvP fun to be had very very early on in the game.
Been pvping since 250k sp.
This is a group PVP game for exceptionally intelligent players.
If you play solo it will suck.
If you play carebear it will suck.
If you're really bad at math...uh...just play Caldari.
I know people who been out in 00 space pvp after some hours after char creation so dont go that path.
I wouldnt play EvE Online if it was a exping system, it's the skill system who make it's so fun!
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"If you're new and thinking about playing this game don't bother. You're just going to waste a lot of time and be target practice for players who had the game since release. There's no way to compete unless you can form a gang with older members."
Why don't you form a gang with older players then? Why do you want to progress fast? Aren't you tired of Grinding games in which people macro and when you talk to them they respond like NPCs?
EVE in my opinion is different and it must be that way. I play for 1 month and some days and after getting my ass kicked from more experienced players by doing endless jump missions in low security areas, i realised that EVE is a true PVP sandbox game. I stopped doing Agent missions and i play my own way.
Yes i agree with you that this time based skill system is a little boring But on the other hand when you have not time to grind for 8 hours a day to be stronger faster, this time based skill System is a good solution. Every one that is out there (with a few exceptions) really does something.
If you leave EVE now you may find more fast progressing Games but if you think that in 2 months you will be able to fight as good as a player that plays years please tell me so.
Also Please tell me one game in which you have found people that play for 2 or 3 years and still log in to play and manage their Guilds (corporations) path. I saw that in EVE and in Ultima online only.
Actually, i know what mission you're talking about.
It has 3 parts. This is part 2, in which you get warped like 80 or soemthing km from the gate. But you're not supposed to go through the gate. You have to wait a while for some NPCs to "warp in", and destroy them first. Then you go back to your agent and get part 3 of the mission, in which you DO warp right on top of that warpgate, and go through and kill... etc etc...
Here's the mission: http://eveinfo.com/missions/159/eve-online-illegal-activity-2-of-3
Anyways, enough of being helpful...
To those saying they find PVP lacking unless you have lots and lots of SP... hear this:
A friend of mine recently rejoined EVE... and made a new char. My main char is stuck in 0.0 in a war, so i cant get back, so i bring out my (macrominer killing) suicide alt, who's only skill that i bothered training on it (other than the skills he started with) was i think Caldari Frig 3 to fly the Kestrel. Both of us went PVPing on my friend's 2nd day in game (and it was the 2nd day as opposed to the 1st because he needed to train for the Warp Scrambler and webber).
We almost took out a Raven.
Yep. A raven... you know... 100mil ISK... Caldari Battleship...
If it wasnt for a friend of his who came later in a Crow (interceptor), we would've killed the raven. Easily.
In defense of the Raven pilot (maybe?).. my suicide alt IS several months old... even tho he has less than a day worth of training on him... so the age might have been a bit intimidating... but it doesnt detract much from the fact that Incursis + Kestrel > that Raven.
When you're new to the game, although you dont have much money, it doesnt take much time to kill NPCs to get the money back if you do lose your ship. Later, although it is possible to kill much more expensive NPCs that gives you 1mil ISK+ bounty per kill, you still need to kill about 100 to 200 to replace that battleship (+ fittings... actually, when using Tech2 mods, MOSTLY fittings) you just lost...
Good lord stop bringing this to the table Beatnik. EVERY MMO has alt accounts. Christ my brother had 7 in EQ. Your point is completely invalid.
The last ACCURATE number from an EVE news release was 170,000 unique ACCOUNTS. And the record is somewhere north of 30k players online simultaneously.
Beyond that it just doesn't f'ing matter. I play with 20,000-30,000 other people in EVE when I am online. I will never see all of them at once because the universe is so big but their actions and mine do impact folks I will never meet in the game.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
When the fanbois post stuff like this, someone has got to set the record straight Taram.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
That is more or less true (you might be able to pull it off with less). But tell me, is there any other MMO that allows new players to gang on and defeat a smaller group of vets?
One of the beauties of EVE.
Actually a newer player (not total newb) can take on a vet 1 on 1 and win. Depends on their ship, what skills they chose to train, and what the vet is flying and what they're specialized in.
A 3 month player can easily outfly a vet if they are in a ship they specialized for and the vet isn't. In equally specialized ships, sure the vet will win. But bring 1, maybe 2, friends along and you can obbliterate the vet even with his advantage in that situation.
I really am sick of people who have never even engaged in real PVP in EVE trying to wax intelligent on an aspect of the game they have truely never experienced beyond possibly being ganked by some asshats camping a lowsec gate. Just a hint: Getting ganked at a gate is NOT what PVP is like. Sure it's an aspect of it but if you get in a fight even a fleet battle, the vets die just like everyone else.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Troll bait , i have been playing eveonline since early beta and still going strong regardless of what others say or think, let not forget were on the eve forums here and of course eveplayers come here let not start a war here that nobody will win
Just have fun in whatever game your playing and you like , that stands for everyone.
You just proved the guys point.
I also played in beta and the game was then and is now a glorified "Trade Wars" game that EVERYONE who starts, will be so far behind anyone playing arlready, will be lucky to catch up to anyone else. The only reason others want people to play is for easy marks.
Troll bait? The guy speaks the truth.
As to the population? Lets see, DAoC has about 30-40k people online and guess what, that game's not to popular either. It's funny how the EvE people think that 30k is a big marker. 300k subscribers? Heh, right.
Cheers.
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When the fanbois post stuff like this, someone has got to set the record straight Taram.
While snakey's statement was a bit over the top (Actually I LOL'd when I read it) his point is valid. The OP had said only 30k people play the game when the 30k figure is the number of people that are online at a time, not the number of people who play.
But you keep coming back with this idiotic arguement about how many of the accounts are alts blah blah. Nobody really cares. The only thing that matters to me is that when I play there are a crapload of other players out there to interact with.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell