o i can't wait to duel you, let me get my spaming hand out, or maybe we can play a real strat game like AOEIII !!!. But seriously, WoW PVP isn't completely without strategy, its just that alot of people who are new to MMO's have no idea the capabilities of the PVP system, WoW's system is so similar to PVE thats its kinda annoying, personally i like having to run in the uninstanced world looking for trouble, i don't like to have to instance myself to PVP, but the rumor is that Blizzard is going to change and add to their PVP system because of Warhammer, but its kinda annoying that they couldn't have implemented it earlier.
edit: i'm not saying that your new to MMO's i have no idea, i'm just saying that it annoys me when people i know personally brag about WoW when they have no idea about what they're talking about, so thats why i post here, to get my anger out!
People who brag about WoW are not much diferent from people bashing WoW. Both sides use flawed arguments and are based mostly on personal opinions and personal feelings. I have nothing against personal views, not at all, in fact, I would go so far to say that there is realy one type of opinions, personal opinions, everything else is statistics, even the fundemental laws in physics are only statisticly true...
I am very new in this genre, but first thing I did when I discovered it was to explore what else is there... I watched too many crappy movies in the past to know not to base my opinions on one product, when there are all those alternatives... WoW is the only game I played for some time, dedicated so to say, but I tryed # of other's by trials and even though I see some real potential in some of them (mostly EVE) I just didn't get hooked. I'm a graphic whore to some extent so when I start a game if the look and feel of the world or the character animations are bland it's a major turnoff, and I just can't realy enjoy it and it start's feeling like work very soon....
I guess I was destined to play WoW, when you mentioned a real strategy game, first thing to come to mind was Starcraft and countless LAN's with my friends, we even used ones apartment for full year with 6 PC's there and Starcraft was the game for which it was all set up...
But to say anything like WoW PVP is the worst or best is just silly and those who can't see that will probably never do. I see alot people saying WoW is not the best, it's just that there is nothing better.. The best?!? What does that mean? The best RP, best PVP, best PVE, best crafting??? please, can anyone state the one thing which would make one MMO TeH bEst
Also there is a saying that WoW's just a copy of older MMO's, taking only the good parts and polyshing them, maybe, I don't know, haven't played all of them. If it took the good thing's and you say it's simple and dumb, maybe that just means that there never was many actualy good and working game features in the games of old. Skill sytem don't mix with LVL sytem so it's safe to assume that WoW went with LVL's cus that system is more time consuming and guaranties longer subscription times then skill system
I guess I wanted to say something else but can't remember right now...
Oh and calling someone stupid because he likes WoW, well, it's stupid. If you show an MMORPG and PacMan to a person who never played a video game before, he would probably like PacMan more, not because he is stupid, but because he don't have a history in gaming and playing a MMORPG requires some skills that can only be aquired by playing much simpler games before steping into a digital world. My dad loves MahJong and Tetris, but when I showed him WoW, it was too complex for him and din't even bother to learn the ropes, I certanly don't think he's stupid because of that, but he kicks my ass in table tennis...
The thing about WoW which is amazing is the complete smoothness of the game. Blizzard just does amazing work when it comes to programming, interface design and overall "feel". It generally leads to a very fun experience for quite some time, even if the game is designed to be accessible at the expense of complexity, to be smooth and free-flowing at the expense of outright difficulty.
When I fired up TBC earlier this week after not having played WoW for several months, I was struck again at how easy it was to jump into the game, to use the controls, move around and interact with the environment, how beautifully rendered the environment actually is, how the lack of zoning adds to the sense of free-flow and numerous other things that just make for an incredibly smooth gaming experience. It may get boring after a while (after all, everything does), but honestly it has to be admitted that Blizzard really knows how to make games that have a mass appeal based on fun, that are designed around mass-market fun rather than elite niche complexity. And TBC is just another iteration of that same, well-done model.
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edit: i'm not saying that your new to MMO's i have no idea, i'm just saying that it annoys me when people i know personally brag about WoW when they have no idea about what they're talking about, so thats why i post here, to get my anger out!
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People who brag about WoW are not much diferent from people bashing WoW. Both sides use flawed arguments and are based mostly on personal opinions and personal feelings. I have nothing against personal views, not at all, in fact, I would go so far to say that there is realy one type of opinions, personal opinions, everything else is statistics, even the fundemental laws in physics are only statisticly true...
I am very new in this genre, but first thing I did when I discovered it was to explore what else is there... I watched too many crappy movies in the past to know not to base my opinions on one product, when there are all those alternatives... WoW is the only game I played for some time, dedicated so to say, but I tryed # of other's by trials and even though I see some real potential in some of them (mostly EVE) I just didn't get hooked. I'm a graphic whore to some extent so when I start a game if the look and feel of the world or the character animations are bland it's a major turnoff, and I just can't realy enjoy it and it start's feeling like work very soon....
I guess I was destined to play WoW, when you mentioned a real strategy game, first thing to come to mind was Starcraft and countless LAN's with my friends, we even used ones apartment for full year with 6 PC's there and Starcraft was the game for which it was all set up...
But to say anything like WoW PVP is the worst or best is just silly and those who can't see that will probably never do. I see alot people saying WoW is not the best, it's just that there is nothing better..
The best?!? What does that mean? The best RP, best PVP, best PVE, best crafting??? please, can anyone state the one thing which would make one MMO TeH bEst
Also there is a saying that WoW's just a copy of older MMO's, taking only the good parts and polyshing them, maybe, I don't know, haven't played all of them. If it took the good thing's and you say it's simple and dumb, maybe that just means that there never was many actualy good and working game features in the games of old. Skill sytem don't mix with LVL sytem so it's safe to assume that WoW went with LVL's cus that system is more time consuming and guaranties longer subscription times then skill system
I guess I wanted to say something else but can't remember right now...
Oh and calling someone stupid because he likes WoW, well, it's stupid. If you show an MMORPG and PacMan to a person who never played a video game before, he would probably like PacMan more, not because he is stupid, but because he don't have a history in gaming and playing a MMORPG requires some skills that can only be aquired by playing much simpler games before steping into a digital world. My dad loves MahJong and Tetris, but when I showed him WoW, it was too complex for him and din't even bother to learn the ropes, I certanly don't think he's stupid because of that, but he kicks my ass in table tennis...
When I fired up TBC earlier this week after not having played WoW for several months, I was struck again at how easy it was to jump into the game, to use the controls, move around and interact with the environment, how beautifully rendered the environment actually is, how the lack of zoning adds to the sense of free-flow and numerous other things that just make for an incredibly smooth gaming experience. It may get boring after a while (after all, everything does), but honestly it has to be admitted that Blizzard really knows how to make games that have a mass appeal based on fun, that are designed around mass-market fun rather than elite niche complexity. And TBC is just another iteration of that same, well-done model.
wow is casual easy grind fest to much item based pvp sucks.
So for me wow is crap if 20 milliond would play or 100million i still say its crap.
My 2 cents:P
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