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  • SokyuteSokyute Member Posts: 29
    This hater says it's still going to flop.
  • GetalifeGetalife Member CommonPosts: 786
    Originally posted by Sharkypal
    7900 is old bud. I get 12K in 3dMark06. Wow... really?when you got nothing to hide, do you mind posting some screenies? i know jack would do but since you always like to talk big lets see your 12k score.. come on.. sharky the truthful.
  • StaticblueStaticblue Member Posts: 49

    A LOT of you need to read the beta FAQ before posting uneducated comments and looking foolish.

    http://www.vanguardsoh.com/status.php

    For instance people still complaining about spell effects

    In the works - Mid Range:

    - Polish pass on special ability animations

    - Polish pass on special ability sounds

    - Polish pass on special ability particle effects

    I only mention this because it was thw last one I saw. Nothing personal.

    I don't claim to know everything but, atleast do you research first and, not assume the what you think is alwasy correct.

    A lot of the crap people keep complaining about has been mentioned and, is being addressed. It's an MMO, it's stil beta, MMO are never finished, MMOs are always under development.  Just because something isn't a certain way by launch doesn't mean they won't improve on it.

     

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  • Pr0tag0ni5tPr0tag0ni5t Member UncommonPosts: 263

    I'm not quite sure the argument that the game going live in a little more than a week has to do with how polished it is. The 'Looks' of the game (ie. animations, char models, scenery, ect.) can all be updated easily, when they are ready, they are working on class balance and bugs its that simple.

    And speaking of bugs...I can't believe there is still complaining about performance. Its been stated everywhere that the game right now is on old servers running a ton of bug programs. Once the game goes live they will have optimized servers and no where near as much bug programs running if any. again its very simple.

    Finally the argument that its still beta is not 'moot' and open beta wasn't like other companys which have a finished game that they want to stress test. Open beta wasn't truly 'open' only pre-orders and fileplanet subscribers got in. They constantly are patching the game if not everyday every other day which tells me they are working hard to make a game that is not only worth playing but, worth sticking with for the long hual.

    If you don't like the game, company, the community, ect. then thats fine don't play it. But at least have arguments that make sense it is beta maybe a true beta so the simple don't understand that its not polished or optimized for perfect performance.

    Flame on!

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  • GoddyfatherGoddyfather Member Posts: 239
    What do the haters have to say now?, Still the same.
  • GetalifeGetalife Member CommonPosts: 786
    Lol.. still getting your post deleted as usual sharky? i am still waiting for your 12k score screenies. Post them before you get your self banned.
  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321
    Originally posted by Staticblue


    A LOT of you need to read the beta FAQ before posting uneducated comments and looking foolish.
    http://www.vanguardsoh.com/status.php
    For instance people still complaining about spell effects
    In the works - Mid Range:

    - Polish pass on special ability animations

    - Polish pass on special ability sounds

    - Polish pass on special ability particle effects
    I only mention this because it was thw last one I saw. Nothing personal.
    I don't claim to know everything but, atleast do you research first and, not assume the what you think is alwasy correct.
    A lot of the crap people keep complaining about has been mentioned and, is being addressed. It's an MMO, it's stil beta, MMO are never finished, MMOs are always under development.  Just because something isn't a certain way by launch doesn't mean they won't improve on it.
     

    Why wern't those polish passes done before open beta? Considering the game is launching this week I am of the opinion it simply is not worth paying money for at the moment. Right now it is more free client and maybe 10  USD material, for sure it is not top shelf, it may be a year from now.

    I miss DAoC

  • altairzqaltairzq Member Posts: 3,811
    Well after installing it a second time I have to say game has improved a lot, but is still lacking.



    I'm still fighting the UI and the controls, don't feel there and don't feel comfortable using the game, that's basic to enjoy the rest.



    Add to that the lag which is huge, both because of my average computer and the net lag.



    UI in general reminds me too much of WOW and I don't like that.



    Models and animations are better but still don't look natural and don't blend with the landscape, which is very good by the way.



    Many cool features from EQ that I'd like to explore, were it not for the lag and bad controls. That's too bad.



    Not going to spend 500-1000€ right now upgrading my computer, but maybe I will next year and then it will be worth to try Vanguard again.
  • dominiadominia Member Posts: 191
    Alright, lets say for a moment that all of these bugs are in the game because it is still beta. Bad animations, missing animations, missing graphics, missing tool tips, missing mobs, crashing servers, laggy servers (supposeably the old servers) ect. (list goes on and on...) are all due to the fact the game is not ready and is being quickly pushed out the doors by the evil Sony Empire.



    Then I must ask Sigil 2 questions.



    A) Why did you decide to unofficially release the game 3 days early to pre-orders if the game is so far from being ready?  Though it won't show up on a credit card statement, gamers are paying for your game at that point and would be less forgivening knowing that they just paid $10 to play a laggy, bug riden game which may entice them not to buy the gold version 3 days later.



    Logic would seem to dictate  instead of  having a soft opening, Sigil give away a free pet or maybe prime relistate enabling them 3 extra days to get the bugs fixed somewhat before gamers really pay for the game.



    B) Why would they of raised their NDA and of had an open beta when the servers were so lagging / so many bugs / incomplete content when it can only generate bad publicity and turn even more gamers away. It just does not make much business sense.



    I completely understand having stress tests and the need for them. I've run enough beta / alpha test to know how important also an open beta is for publicity and bug finding. But it seems that with the inclusion of open beta so far in advance of Vanguards release (3 weeks i think it was) and how obvious the bugs were, it seems to of had only a negative impact on the "fence sitter crowd".



    Those who love vangaurd will love Vanguard through thick and thin until it becomes a burden on their finances or time, but in the scope of a game the size of an mmo, the dedicated are few and far between (hardly pushing projected numbers of 200k gamers) and to outcast such a large market of those unsure about the game doesn't make much sense to me.





    I have the game on pre-order btw, only because of what it could be, not what it is currently.



    -D^t

    Currently Playing: GW2
    Retired: Shadowbane, DAoC, WoW, FFXI, Eve Online, SWToR

    The Aphelion MMO Blog - GW2 Initial Impressions

  • KremlikKremlik Member UncommonPosts: 716

    Btw anyone actally realising that it's not Sigil pushing for the earily relase, it's yet again Sony.. Sigil have already said they were quite happy to keep it testing for a while longer but if the person doing the funding wants to release it now so be it..

    Plus anyone notice whats so special about the 30th? hmm.. one word Vista. Seeing as Sigil orignally had VG as a Mircosoft product, i'm thinking Sony are using VG as a big 'FU' to MS...

    Vanguard dispite the bugs/flaws now will end up a desent game, but you shouldn't be directing your fire at Sigil they've done a good job so manage with the brat known as SOE, all open up as always on Sony they are the ones rushing and ruining the game on release, I've just greatful they only handle publishing not development.

    Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!

  • KarandorKarandor Member Posts: 113
    The reason I will play this game is the grouping mechanics are freaking awesome. A regular melee ability that hits for 150 on my cleric was hitting for up to 650 in a group situattion if I used it with the right debuffs active. If you could get a group together that was co-ordinated very well you could do amazing things with the combat system. Also this pushes having 6 different classes in a group or having less classes but ones that can combo off of each other really well. Having say 3 bards, 2 clerics and a warrior is not optimal becuase of buffs AND the fact that you simply won't have the same options for openers. This will decrease your DPS significantly. Unless of course warriors can spam an ability that causes a weakness that bards can exploit.



    I liked the game before but since being in a group and really getting to use this system (the healing classes just last patch got this feature added to abilities so on my shaman before I had no idea what was going on) I am probably going to go pre-order on monday or tuesday.



    Yes there are bugs but group combat is so much fun I can handle them. If you haven't played around with this system you have no idea what you're talking about when you say "boring combat".



    If they can fix as much stuff this week as last week it will be in pretty good shape for release (MMO wise). I personally do not think it's in any worse shape than WoW was on release and it's a hell of a lot more enjoyable at lower levels IMO.
  • StoneysilencStoneysilenc Member Posts: 369

    Those of you blaming the early release on SOE take a look at this, notice the bolded part by Jon Grande.  The budget is in Sigil's control, they wasted their money, therefore they have to release.  SOE has nothing to do with it:

    www.silkyvenom.com/pages/faq.php

    SOE owns distribution, marketing, data center operations, and *technical* support (ie - when you have trouble installing the client, or a scratched disk from the retail box).



    Sigil owns everything related to development, in-game customer service, live teams, and on-going content development.



    And the relationship is setup, both organizationally and financially, to reinforce those roles.

    Source: Jon Grande May 6, 2006





    We actually did account for this ... what people need to realize is that the over structure of the new publishing arrangement will enable us (Sigil) to make Vanguard a fundamentally better game. We are now in complete control of the budget, the schedule, etc.



    We would ask people to, at least, take a wait and see approach ... if we end up breaching your trust with the quality of the game or its on-going operation - then you have every right to tell us to "talk to the hand".

    Source: Jon Grande May 6, 2006

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  • swede2swede2 Member Posts: 975
    The reason am playing is because i want to , you got a problem with that punk. lol kidding guys really ive only played WoW and ive had more fun in vanguard beta than i did in wow I think what alot of people are saying is true it needs more time but so what they ran out of money and i dont mind paying and helping them build a better game
  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321

    Well as long as gamers continue to buy for the potential SOE and other less than scrupulous publishers will keep shoving games out the door that still need work. MMORPG players are their own worst enemies in that regard. I t does not have to be that way either. I doubt any game will have a perfect release, however WoW, City of Heroes, and even EQII were pretty smooth and I was there for each of them so don't hand me any BS about how bad they were.  EQII was the only one that held my attention for more than a month or two but that is not the point.  COH and WoW could be played on low, mid and high range machines and still look decent, and they looked good on even the lowest settings. Some would argue that they looked better on a low end machine than Vanguard looks on a high one. In fact the only screen shot that I have seen that made me say wow that is neat was the one that the guy with a 8800GTX posted on another thread and i am not totally convinced that had not spent some time in photoshop before being posted. It certainly looked 10 times better than I can get on my 7900GT standing still and maxxing out my settings.

    Vanguard is just not ready for prime time and every box sold will just reinforce publishers belief  belief that they can charge for half finished products. There is another game in beta right now and while the game play will not be for everyone at least the publisher has learned to polish everything till it shines then polish it again until it glows. A lesson that SOE dearly needs to learn before they screw up more games. But that;s ok keep buying for the potential if it floats your boat.

    I miss DAoC

  • BakgrindBakgrind Member UncommonPosts: 423
    Originally posted by Karandor

    The reason I will play this game is the grouping mechanics are freaking awesome. A regular melee ability that hits for 150 on my cleric was hitting for up to 650 in a group situattion if I used it with the right debuffs active. If you could get a group together that was co-ordinated very well you could do amazing things with the combat system. Also this pushes having 6 different classes in a group or having less classes but ones that can combo off of each other really well. Having say 3 bards, 2 clerics and a warrior is not optimal becuase of buffs AND the fact that you simply won't have the same options for openers. This will decrease your DPS significantly. Unless of course warriors can spam an ability that causes a weakness that bards can exploit.



    I liked the game before but since being in a group and really getting to use this system (the healing classes just last patch got this feature added to abilities so on my shaman before I had no idea what was going on) I am probably going to go pre-order on monday or tuesday.



    Yes there are bugs but group combat is so much fun I can handle them. If you haven't played around with this system you have no idea what you're talking about when you say "boring combat".



    If they can fix as much stuff this week as last week it will be in pretty good shape for release (MMO wise). I personally do not think it's in any worse shape than WoW was on release and it's a hell of a lot more enjoyable at lower levels IMO.
    Interesting post Karandor about dps. To me it sounds like they fluffed it up a bit to get subs. Wonder how long it will be before they bring out the nerf stick and 'balance' dps across the board ? 
  • matraquematraque Member Posts: 1,431
    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Well as long as gamers continue to buy for the potential SOE and other less than scrupulous publishers will keep shoving games out the door that still need work. MMORPG players are their own worst enemies in that regard. I t does not have to be that way either. I doubt any game will have a perfect release, however WoW, City of Heroes, and even EQII were pretty smooth and I was there for each of them so don't hand me any BS about how bad they were.  EQII was the only one that held my attention for more than a month or two but that is not the point.  COH and WoW could be played on low, mid and high range machines and still look decent, and they looked good on even the lowest settings. Some would argue that they looked better on a low end machine than Vanguard looks on a high one. In fact the only screen shot that I have seen that made me say wow that is neat was the one that the guy with a 8800GTX posted on another thread and i am not totally convinced that had not spent some time in photoshop before being posted. It certainly looked 10 times better than I can get on my 7900GT standing still and maxxing out my settings.
    Vanguard is just not ready for prime time and every box sold will just reinforce publishers belief  belief that they can charge for half finished products. There is another game in beta right now and while the game play will not be for everyone at least the publisher has learned to polish everything till it shines then polish it again until it glows. A lesson that SOE dearly needs to learn before they screw up more games. But that;s ok keep buying for the potential if it floats your boat.
    Hunting in Temple of Dailuk at 40fps .ini tweaked.  Setting says : Highest Quality.



    Graphics looks alright.



    System :



    6300 Core 2 Duo

    X1300 agp 512mo

    1go ram

    IDE hard drive

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • BakgrindBakgrind Member UncommonPosts: 423
    Originally posted by swede2

    The reason am playing is because i want to , you got a problem with that punk. lol kidding guys really ive only played WoW and ive had more fun in vanguard beta than i did in wow I think what alot of people are saying is true it needs more time but so what they ran out of money and i dont mind paying and helping them build a better game

    Yeah but maybe if they had a stock option clause in it I'd give them my subscription fee. But until they offer I'm still waiting 6 months to a year before I try the game. Sorry for the sarcastic post but I dislike weak reasons like this to play a game.

  • DeaconXDeaconX Member UncommonPosts: 3,062
    It's amazing - the turn around.  It sounds like the devs have not slept or sold their souls!  But after all the sour talk I've read, for me to be impressed and really believe I'd really like to see some vids maybe put up on YouTube with system spex/settings info.  I'll believe it when I see it, and so must all the 'haters'.  I'm not a hater I want to LOVE this game for all it's features... but I'm not quite sold yet.  So since I couldn't get into beta, I'm asking people please, post some new vids for 'pre launch', let me us know about them in this thread so we can nod, agree and pre-order ;)

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    Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.

    BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.

  • StoneysilencStoneysilenc Member Posts: 369
    Originally posted by matraque

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Well as long as gamers continue to buy for the potential SOE and other less than scrupulous publishers will keep shoving games out the door that still need work. MMORPG players are their own worst enemies in that regard. I t does not have to be that way either. I doubt any game will have a perfect release, however WoW, City of Heroes, and even EQII were pretty smooth and I was there for each of them so don't hand me any BS about how bad they were.  EQII was the only one that held my attention for more than a month or two but that is not the point.  COH and WoW could be played on low, mid and high range machines and still look decent, and they looked good on even the lowest settings. Some would argue that they looked better on a low end machine than Vanguard looks on a high one. In fact the only screen shot that I have seen that made me say wow that is neat was the one that the guy with a 8800GTX posted on another thread and i am not totally convinced that had not spent some time in photoshop before being posted. It certainly looked 10 times better than I can get on my 7900GT standing still and maxxing out my settings.
    Vanguard is just not ready for prime time and every box sold will just reinforce publishers belief  belief that they can charge for half finished products. There is another game in beta right now and while the game play will not be for everyone at least the publisher has learned to polish everything till it shines then polish it again until it glows. A lesson that SOE dearly needs to learn before they screw up more games. But that;s ok keep buying for the potential if it floats your boat.
    Hunting in Temple of Dailuk at 40fps .ini tweaked.  Setting says : Highest Quality.



    Graphics looks alright.



    System :



    6300 Core 2 Duo

    X1300 agp 512mo

    1go ram

    IDE hard drive

    If you read the tweak information it said it would say Highest Quality even though it wasn't.  That Highest Quality is set by 1 setting in the INI in which they have you turn up to max.  So your really not running on Highest Quality.

    image

  • olddaddyolddaddy Member Posts: 3,356

    Yes, all, but my favorite marketing spin is allowing people that purchase the pre-order to play this not yet ready game three whole days early. Now is that a laugh, or what? And you know, there's some damned fools that fall for that spin......

    Thank you, but I'll save my money for a bit and wait for the launch feedback......I have my doubts about whether a game that has been pushed into premature launch by a developement company that has pissed away all it's money is going to find enough subscribers to refill the treasury so they can fix the game.

    Something about undercapitalized business failure rates comes to mind......

  • KoolaiderKoolaider Member Posts: 450
    Well one of the few good things I can say about SOE is that their servers are reliable. Out of all the MMORPGs that I've played, theirs had the least lag and least disconnects, and that was even before the NGE when I played SWG.
  • swede2swede2 Member Posts: 975

     

     

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Well as long as gamers continue to buy for the potential SOE and other less than scrupulous publishers will keep shoving games out the door that still need work. MMORPG players are their own worst enemies in that regard. I t does not have to be that way either. I doubt any game will have a perfect release, however WoW, City of Heroes, and even EQII were pretty smooth and I was there for each of them so don't hand me any BS about how bad they were.  EQII was the only one that held my attention for more than a month or two but that is not the point.  COH and WoW could be played on low, mid and high range machines and still look decent, and they looked good on even the lowest settings. Some would argue that they looked better on a low end machine than Vanguard looks on a high one. In fact the only screen shot that I have seen that made me say wow that is neat was the one that the guy with a 8800GTX posted on another thread and i am not totally convinced that had not spent some time in photoshop before being posted. It certainly looked 10 times better than I can get on my 7900GT standing still and maxxing out my settings.
    Vanguard is just not ready for prime time and every box sold will just reinforce publishers belief  belief that they can charge for half finished products. There is another game in beta right now and while the game play will not be for everyone at least the publisher has learned to polish everything till it shines then polish it again until it glows. A lesson that SOE dearly needs to learn before they screw up more games. But that;s ok keep buying for the potential if it floats your boat.
    Ya i hear you jack and what you say is true but i can only wait so long for that game to come out. you wouldnt believe how many games i have, that i paid 50 bucks for that are sitting collecting dust after playing about 5 dollars worth of them like NWN 2 yup sure is pretty but god so linear i just couldnt play it Funny i buy a new game and after playing them for about 2 days i get the urge to load up Baldur's gate 2 again Tell you the truth am abiout ready to give up on PC gaming but than BIoware is back and working on a MMO so i might just hang around for 10 years and see what they come up with lol
  • DeaconXDeaconX Member UncommonPosts: 3,062
    If there is a god, they're getting the rights for Star Wars MMO while $0E loses  It's known they're working on a Sci-Fi game, so maybe they're doing an MMO version of Mass Effect.  Either way I am getting tired of being let down by all the same old MMO's so even if I like Vanguard, I'd probably only play it until BioWare's debut of a spiffy new SciFi MMO.

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    Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.

    BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.

  • matraquematraque Member Posts: 1,431
    Originally posted by Stoneysilenc

    Originally posted by matraque

    Originally posted by Jackdog


    Well as long as gamers continue to buy for the potential SOE and other less than scrupulous publishers will keep shoving games out the door that still need work. MMORPG players are their own worst enemies in that regard. I t does not have to be that way either. I doubt any game will have a perfect release, however WoW, City of Heroes, and even EQII were pretty smooth and I was there for each of them so don't hand me any BS about how bad they were.  EQII was the only one that held my attention for more than a month or two but that is not the point.  COH and WoW could be played on low, mid and high range machines and still look decent, and they looked good on even the lowest settings. Some would argue that they looked better on a low end machine than Vanguard looks on a high one. In fact the only screen shot that I have seen that made me say wow that is neat was the one that the guy with a 8800GTX posted on another thread and i am not totally convinced that had not spent some time in photoshop before being posted. It certainly looked 10 times better than I can get on my 7900GT standing still and maxxing out my settings.
    Vanguard is just not ready for prime time and every box sold will just reinforce publishers belief  belief that they can charge for half finished products. There is another game in beta right now and while the game play will not be for everyone at least the publisher has learned to polish everything till it shines then polish it again until it glows. A lesson that SOE dearly needs to learn before they screw up more games. But that;s ok keep buying for the potential if it floats your boat.
    Hunting in Temple of Dailuk at 40fps .ini tweaked.  Setting says : Highest Quality.



    Graphics looks alright.



    System :



    6300 Core 2 Duo

    X1300 agp 512mo

    1go ram

    IDE hard drive

    If you read the tweak information it said it would say Highest Quality even though it wasn't.  That Highest Quality is set by 1 setting in the INI in which they have you turn up to max.  So your really not running on Highest Quality.

    I guess the tweak in INI makes it look like "high quality" in settings.  That is exactly why i said : ".ini tweaked.  Setting says : Highest Quality" as an indication.



    But... the FPS i have is true.

    eqnext.wikia.com

  • QBorgQBorg Member Posts: 64
    I have two words for you: unfriendly community and SOE. I'm not giving my credit card number to SOE ever again.
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